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(Ozy)   Maybe it's time to think outside the sewer   ( ozy.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Sewage treatment, global sanitation crisis, sewer systems, modern sewer systems, fecal sludge, CDD Society, toilets, human waste  
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1648 clicks; posted to Business » on 04 Mar 2018 at 4:15 PM (32 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2018-03-04 03:13:37 PM  
Doo what you gotta doo, but don't fool yourselves that septic tanks in hot climes are a pleasure to be around on emptying day.
 
2018-03-04 03:24:31 PM  
There aren't any pipes up here in the hills

/I just poop in the woods with the bears
//Yes, they do
 
2018-03-04 04:19:53 PM  
But what about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
 
2018-03-04 04:31:02 PM  
FTFA:

Even so, many see sewers as the "proper" way to provide sanitation, according to World Bankresearch. Policymakers often view the management of fecal sludge, which refers to human excreta gathered in on-site sanitation systems, as a stop-gap solution, leaving it to an unregulated private sector that dumps much of it in the environment.

This is my main concern. Collection is going to be outsourced to private companies. Some companies are always going to go cut corners to maximize profits, and next thing you know fecal waste is being dumped in waterways that supply drinking water.
 
2018-03-04 04:34:52 PM  

thornhill: FTFA:

Even so, many see sewers as the "proper" way to provide sanitation, according to World Bankresearch. Policymakers often view the management of fecal sludge, which refers to human excreta gathered in on-site sanitation systems, as a stop-gap solution, leaving it to an unregulated private sector that dumps much of it in the environment.

This is my main concern. Collection is going to be outsourced to private companies. Some companies are always going to go cut corners to maximize profits, and next thing you know fecal waste is being dumped in waterways that supply drinking water.


I guess "some" is accurate, as not all of them are going to be able to get away with it.
 
2018-03-04 04:40:09 PM  
Well it really is a paradigm shiat, er, shift in thinking.   I would never have considered alternatives until this article. Makes for interesting challenges in systems engineering.  I am skeptical that trucking the waste is economically better than piping it, butt, I mean, but, it certainly warrants further study.
 
2018-03-04 04:44:31 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: thornhill: FTFA:

Even so, many see sewers as the "proper" way to provide sanitation, according to World Bankresearch. Policymakers often view the management of fecal sludge, which refers to human excreta gathered in on-site sanitation systems, as a stop-gap solution, leaving it to an unregulated private sector that dumps much of it in the environment.

This is my main concern. Collection is going to be outsourced to private companies. Some companies are always going to go cut corners to maximize profits, and next thing you know fecal waste is being dumped in waterways that supply drinking water.

I guess "some" is accurate, as not all of them are going to be able to get away with it.


In foreign countries there probably would be better regulation of this than in the United States...
 
2018-03-04 05:04:27 PM  
Realistically, this idea is a crock of sh*t
 
2018-03-04 05:13:40 PM  
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Too late.
Taco Bell already has a foothold.
 
2018-03-04 05:19:29 PM  
Back to the future.  A return to the days of privvies and nightsoil.  How did that turn out?
 
2018-03-04 05:20:45 PM  

Any Pie Left: Well it really is a paradigm shiat, er, shift in thinking.   I would never have considered alternatives until this article. Makes for interesting challenges in systems engineering.  I am skeptical that trucking the waste is economically better than piping it, butt, I mean, but, it certainly warrants further study.


When you consider the billions of dollars required to retrofit sewer pipes into large cities that currently don't have them, it kind of makes sense.
 
2018-03-04 05:21:24 PM  
This basic concept could work out pretty well in some parts of the world.

Unfortunately, India has some major problems with this.  Relevant TED talk.  Basically, caste.  There is certainly a caste of untouchables historically connected to sewage/night soil/etc.  But, as members of that caste make progress in going to college, getting other jobs, etc, they literally say "fark that shiat" to emptying latrines and driving honey wagons.  And, again caste, you can't get anyone else to do it for basically any amount of money.  There has gotten to be a severe shortage of latrine-emptiers, which leads to 'the shiat road' tradition, where everyone just poops outside, even in villages that can readily afford latrines.
 
2018-03-04 05:32:47 PM  
But after 5 years will they still give you a brush?

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2018-03-04 06:23:40 PM  
On the outskirts of Bangalore,

I think we know all about India, the country with designated shiatting streets, thinking outside the sewer, thank you very much.
 
2018-03-04 06:35:55 PM  
I was expecting a White House staff article..
 
2018-03-04 07:04:37 PM  
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2018-03-04 07:09:04 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: On the outskirts of Bangalore,

I think we know all about India, the country with designated shiatting streets, thinking outside the sewer, thank you very much.


So what? England has whole towns:

shiatterton is a hamlet in Dorset, England. It has attracted worldwide attention for its name, which dates back at least a thousand years and means "farmstead on the stream used as an open sewer".

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(They had to make stone sign bc old wooden ones kept getting stolen)
 
2018-03-04 07:33:06 PM  

runwiz: Back to the future.  A return to the days of privvies and nightsoil.  How did that turn out?


Clive James had pretty funny story about night soil collection in Sydney pre-WW2

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2018-03-04 07:35:07 PM  
Human ingenuity always finds an alternative:

Flying Toilets
South African townships flying toilets (plastic bag; fling; crash lands on yr roof)
 
2018-03-04 09:25:52 PM  

thornhill: This is my main concern. Collection is going to be outsourced to private companies. Some companies are always going to go cut corners to maximize profits, and next thing you know fecal waste is being dumped in waterways that supply drinking water.


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2018-03-04 09:34:08 PM  
I don't mind shoveling cow and horse poop around for compost.  But anything that eats meat?  You couldn't sell me a hazmat suit thick enough to handle that.
 
2018-03-04 10:58:15 PM  
This is EXACTLY what the world needs as energy prices rise: hundreds of shiat trucks racing through every city, weaving in and out of traffic.

The Fark submission queue will be a bit less wholesome, you can bet.
 
2018-03-05 12:25:24 AM  
It's an immediate problem with a classic, tried and tested solution. Although maybe more of a program of household methane generators for cooking gas, where they can afford those.
 
2018-03-05 12:26:44 AM  

Sugarbombs: I don't mind shoveling cow and horse poop around for compost.  But anything that eats meat?  You couldn't sell me a hazmat suit thick enough to handle that.


Fortunately India has more vegetarians than any other country.

/Unfortunately most of them also eat a lot of Indian food
 
2018-03-05 06:12:13 AM  
There's a better way.  We've been using this system for three years now at our cabin in the Adirondacks.  It's much more practical than a composting toilet, because most of them don't actually compost anything.

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2018-03-05 06:53:17 AM  

BolloxReader: This is EXACTLY what the world needs as energy prices rise: hundreds of shiat trucks racing through every city, weaving in and out of traffic.

The Fark submission queue will be a bit less wholesome, you can bet.


That kind of thinking is full of shiat.  It's not like we'd dump all our poop stories in one go. Hell if we really focused we could probably squeeze out one or two really good ones every day, and be much more relieved at work.
 
2018-03-05 09:23:42 AM  
Has anyone consulted Norton yet?
 
2018-03-05 10:02:24 AM  

thornhill: FTFA:

Even so, many see sewers as the "proper" way to provide sanitation, according to World Bankresearch. Policymakers often view the management of fecal sludge, which refers to human excreta gathered in on-site sanitation systems, as a stop-gap solution, leaving it to an unregulated private sector that dumps much of it in the environment.

This is my main concern. Collection is going to be outsourced to private companies. Some companies are always going to go cut corners to maximize profits, and next thing you know fecal waste is being dumped in waterways that supply drinking water.


Which, of course, does NOT mean that non-private entities are automatically better. Both government departments and private companies will rip you off, sell you death, and pollute your property for profit, for meeting budget, to cover for management incompetence and/or theft, and to cover management's ass for failure to meet conglomerate production quotas. Large bureaucracies, whether public or private, tend to operate in identical manners.

Regardless of who/what is performing the job, the problem is lack of:
1) ethics on the part of the decision-makers;
2) transparency to public audit; and
3) real (not paper) accountability of the bureaucracy.
 
2018-03-05 10:09:05 AM  

TheSubjunctive: This basic concept could work out pretty well in some parts of the world.

Unfortunately, India has some major problems with this.  Relevant TED talk.  Basically, caste.  There is certainly a caste of untouchables historically connected to sewage/night soil/etc.  But, as members of that caste make progress in going to college, getting other jobs, etc, they literally say "fark that shiat" to emptying latrines and driving honey wagons.  And, again caste, you can't get anyone else to do it for basically any amount of money.  There has gotten to be a severe shortage of latrine-emptiers, which leads to 'the shiat road' tradition, where everyone just poops outside, even in villages that can readily afford latrines.


Has anyone ever calculated the number of centuries of social and technical progress that has been lost in India due to the existence of the caste concept? The Indians I have personally met have generally been so smart it was scary, but even some of them have had this "thing" about caste. It's bizarre; India could have been ruling the world for the last thousand years if it were not for caste.
 
2018-03-05 10:13:52 AM  

mjjt: runwiz: Back to the future.  A return to the days of privvies and nightsoil.  How did that turn out?

Clive James had pretty funny story about night soil collection in Sydney pre-WW2

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Thanks for this.
 
2018-03-05 01:57:54 PM  

Harlee: mjjt: runwiz: Back to the future.  A return to the days of privvies and nightsoil.  How did that turn out?

Clive James had pretty funny story about night soil collection in Sydney pre-WW2

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Thanks for this.


Indeed.  I now no longer am hungry!

/but it was pretty funny
 
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