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2018-03-04 07:56:59 AM  
What about an app that tells you if your smart phone is the smartest one in the room?
 
2018-03-04 10:18:39 AM  
You've made them so farking expensive that we treat them like laptops now and aren't going to let go until they fail for good no matter how many software downgrades you stuff in them while we're sleeping.
 
2018-03-04 10:58:44 AM  

edmo: You've made them so farking expensive that we treat them like laptops now and aren't going to let go until they fail for good no matter how many software downgrades you stuff in them while we're sleeping.


I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old.  Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down.  Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.

You may even use it as a wifi hot spot for free, anytime you'd like.

These carriers are just as terrible as the handset manufacturers
 
2018-03-04 11:08:52 AM  

arcgear: edmo: You've made them so farking expensive that we treat them like laptops now and aren't going to let go until they fail for good no matter how many software downgrades you stuff in them while we're sleeping.

I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old.  Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down.  Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.

You may even use it as a wifi hot spot for free, anytime you'd like.

These carriers are just as terrible as the handset manufacturers


I only gave up my BB z-10 a month ago for a S-8, now I'm getting promoted tweets to pre-order an S-9.. haha, no.. get back to me about 12 or 13...
 
2018-03-04 11:20:05 AM  
So basically, the smartphone industry has reached the point that the PC industry reached about 15 years ago, where performance is good enough for most common tasks, and improvements are no longer an automatic selling point.

They should have known this day would come.
 
2018-03-04 11:23:30 AM  
"When Apple and Google decided to eliminate the headphone jack from their phones, it wasn't an accident."

I've been pondering the headset jack too.   Now that spyware is doing shiat like analyzing changes in voice tone to detect things like menstrual cycles,(to know when best to hit you with an ad) its about time to start thinking of having a dumb microphone off switch.  The old style jacks that had a built in switch would work as that.

/Too bad these days a common way to do it is in software when the audio device driver notices that the impedance on that jack is no longer infinite anymore.
 
2018-03-04 11:27:43 AM  

arcgear: edmo: You've made them so farking expensive that we treat them like laptops now and aren't going to let go until they fail for good no matter how many software downgrades you stuff in them while we're sleeping.

I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old.  Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down.  Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.

You may even use it as a wifi hot spot for free, anytime you'd like.

These carriers are just as terrible as the handset manufacturers


Note 4 here as well.  It's the last phone that had everything I wanted, so anything new would be a downgrade for me.  No MicroSD, no replaceable battery?  Why would I pay for that when I already have what I actually want?
 
2018-03-04 11:29:57 AM  
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2018-03-04 11:34:44 AM  
Vlad_the_Inaner "When Apple and Google decided to eliminate the headphone jack from their phones, it wasn't an accident."

I've been pondering the headset jack too.   Now that spyware is doing shiat like analyzing changes in voice tone to detect things like menstrual cycles,(to know when best to hit you with an ad) its about time to start thinking of having a dumb microphone off switch.  The old style jacks that had a built in switch would work as that.

/Too bad these days a common way to do it is in software when the audio device driver notices that the impedance on that jack is no longer infinite anymore.


And just in case you went "wtf"

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2018-03-04 11:47:20 AM  
I wish the cell store around here sold cool dumb phones.  That and I'd need a Garmin, and I probably wouldn't ever need a smart phone again.
 
2018-03-04 11:57:59 AM  
Companies like Samsung, Apple, and Google must now figure out how to keep making money when smartphone profits are rolling in at a slower pace.

Solution: Move to subscription model, like Adobe did.

In the future, no one will own anything. We will all pay a monthly fee to use stuff.
 
2018-03-04 11:59:14 AM  

anfrind: So basically, the smartphone industry has reached the point that the PC industry reached about 15 years ago, where performance is good enough for most common tasks, and improvements are no longer an automatic selling point.

They should have known this day would come.


They did know.  RTFA
 
2018-03-04 12:08:38 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Vlad_the_Inaner "When Apple and Google decided to eliminate the headphone jack from their phones, it wasn't an accident."

I've been pondering the headset jack too.   Now that spyware is doing shiat like analyzing changes in voice tone to detect things like menstrual cycles,(to know when best to hit you with an ad) its about time to start thinking of having a dumb microphone off switch.  The old style jacks that had a built in switch would work as that.

/Too bad these days a common way to do it is in software when the audio device driver notices that the impedance on that jack is no longer infinite anymore.

And just in case you went "wtf"

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I just started in an administrative role at an inbound call center. They've been using this technology for a while now. Ostensibly, it's to help the agent pull up the information you need quickly, so they can close your call and move on to the next one quickly. In reality, there have been discussions about testing the tone of your voice to gauge mood and satisfaction, so agents know when best to start the upsell. The kind of thing that doesn't sound creepy until you're on the other end of the line.
 
2018-03-04 12:17:01 PM  

treesloth: arcgear: edmo: You've made them so farking expensive that we treat them like laptops now and aren't going to let go until they fail for good no matter how many software downgrades you stuff in them while we're sleeping.

I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old.  Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down.  Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.

You may even use it as a wifi hot spot for free, anytime you'd like.

These carriers are just as terrible as the handset manufacturers

Note 4 here as well.  It's the last phone that had everything I wanted, so anything new would be a downgrade for me.  No MicroSD, no replaceable battery?  Why would I pay for that when I already have what I actually want?


I've kinda concluded the same thing.  This was the beginnings of the quad core Snapdragon cpu, and it will even run PSX emulated games without a hitch if desired.  The market demand is for more razzle dazzle crap rather than device capability; it's practically the sole reason the manufacturers lean on to sell new devices anymore.

I keep it because i have been into elegant/script handwriting since i was just a boy--i particularly enjoy the stylus and word/writing processor applications.  Be more open to upgrades should every phone come equipped with one.

/forced my mother to change her signature three times to something ever more complicated in the third grade because i used to forge it on everything.
 
2018-03-04 12:17:08 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Vlad_the_Inaner "When Apple and Google decided to eliminate the headphone jack from their phones, it wasn't an accident."

I've been pondering the headset jack too.   Now that spyware is doing shiat like analyzing changes in voice tone to detect things like menstrual cycles,(to know when best to hit you with an ad) its about time to start thinking of having a dumb microphone off switch.  The old style jacks that had a built in switch would work as that.

/Too bad these days a common way to do it is in software when the audio device driver notices that the impedance on that jack is no longer infinite anymore.

And just in case you went "wtf"

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You don't seem to understand the gap between 3rd-tier journal article and release software.
 
2018-03-04 01:28:08 PM  

anfrind: So basically, the smartphone industry has reached the point that the PC industry reached about 15 years ago, where performance is good enough for most common tasks, and improvements are no longer an automatic selling point.

They should have known this day would come.


Yep, I'm still using my HTC One M8, just coming up to four years old. Fantastic phone, looks like new though I've never had a case or screen protector, does everything I want, use it as a mobile hotspot all the time, and to make contactless purchases. Why would I want to buy a new phone?

/The only issue I had is the glass in front of the rear camera went hazy resulting in washed out pictures. I cleaned it with a soft cloth and some toothpaste and it's as good as new.
//Great camera with things like being able to adjust focus after you've taken the picture, removing passers by from photos etc.
 
2018-03-04 02:05:57 PM  

gnosis301: I wish the cell store around here sold cool dumb phones.  That and I'd need a Garmin, and I probably wouldn't ever need a smart phone again.


You can't use mailorder?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/li​g​ht-phone-2-smartphone-design#/

Looks farking cool, but well. I am not controlled by my smartphone.

https://www.nokia.com/en_int/phones/n​o​kia-8110-4g

Cool as well. But not Lightphone 2 cool.
 
2018-03-04 02:48:19 PM  

arcgear: I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old. Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down. Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.


Many of those older phones will start to have problems as wireless carriers start to shut down their older 2G/3G networks.  Very few older phones support voice-over-LTE.  So unless those phones can somehow fall back to voice-over-IP using LTE data (and if the carrier or MVNO supports it), they're going to have issues.  Verizon is scheduled to start axing their 2G/3G networks starting in late 2019.  AT&T will probably follow shortly after.

I already encounter this issue to a degree with my GS5 Neo today, which doesn't support VoLTE.  At my house I receive a strong 700 MHz LTE signal but a weak 1900 MHz HSPA signal.  So data transfers are fine but voice and text can sometimes be iffy.

I could also see carriers releasing VoIP apps for older phones, but then doing nasty things like blocking them from working on third party ROMs or on unbranded phones.  There are already reports of carriers refusing to activate VoLTE because they don't have that carrier's variant of a phone, even when the phone supports it.

A total clusterfark is right around the corner.
 
2018-03-04 06:08:03 PM  
Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?
 
2018-03-04 06:47:04 PM  

BullBearMS: Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?


My HTC is now four years old and still works perfectly.  HTC haven't secretly slowed it down to try to get me to buy a new one....
 
2018-03-04 07:04:20 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BullBearMS: Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?

My HTC is now four years old and still works perfectly.  HTC haven't secretly slowed it down to try to get me to buy a new one....


If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

Then on top of that, it suddenly powers off when you need to make an emergency call because it doesn't know how to clock the phone down when the battery is failing?

Double fail.
 
2018-03-04 07:28:22 PM  
Never got a 'smartphone'... not knocking them, just don't need one.  Flip phone works fine, plug it in every night, battery never dies.. bluetooth and gps turned off and $36/mo...  don't care what the Joneses have....
 
2018-03-04 07:49:11 PM  

BullBearMS: If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.


I don't leave Bluetooth turned on. For a start I still have a headphone socket...
Only turn on Bluetooth at home to set my central heating settings, each room has a bluetooth thermostat.

BullBearMS: Then on top of that, it suddenly powers off when you need to make an emergency call because it doesn't know how to clock the phone down when the battery is failing?

Double fail.


You have no clue what you are talking about, as usual. My phone has, and has had since day one, a Power Saver mode and an Exterme Power saver mode, both of which are activate automatically at set battery levels.
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At 10% it turns the phone into essentially a non-smartphone, but even that you can turn off if you need a smartphone feature.

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You really thought only your precious iPhone had power management? That all other phones would just suddenly turn off with no warning? Awww, didumms....

And even at four years old my battery lasts two days of normal use, including acting as a wifi hotspot for my tablet. Three days easily with light use.
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2018-03-04 07:55:35 PM  

BullBearMS: If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.


And at least my desktop PC can't be hacked by just typing Root and pressing enter...

If you type in "root" as the username, leave the password box blank, hit "enter" and then click on unlock a few times, the prompt disappears and, congrats, you now have admin rights. You can do this from the user login screen, too.
The vulnerability effectively allows someone with physical access to the machine to log in, cause extra mischief, install malware, and so on. You should not leave your vulnerable Mac unattended, nor allow remote desktop access, until you can fix the problem.


With Apple trying to sell more Macs to business and office users that was a huge problem. Hope none of your coworkers like to play jokes on you....
 
2018-03-04 08:21:48 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: You have no clue what you are talking about, as usual.


I"m talking about Android phones powering down suddenly because their battery is failing and they don't know how to prevent it.

This happens at all charge levels, not just one.

Perhaps if you continue to lie about it like a Trumper, that'll fix everything?

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2018-03-04 08:23:43 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I don't leave Bluetooth turned on.


LOL. I just don't use major features of the Phone!

Who needs security patches if you just neuter your device and hope you never need to make an emergency call at the same time it decides to die on you?
 
2018-03-04 08:41:06 PM  

Dinjiin: arcgear: I'm still using my Note 4, which is something like four years old. Enough people have had their fill of this blatant cash-grabby behavior, and have found ways around the security systems that lock the phone down. Ditch the factory rom, and replace it with a feature-laden free one such as Lineage.

Many of those older phones will start to have problems as wireless carriers start to shut down their older 2G/3G networks.  Very few older phones support voice-over-LTE.  So unless those phones can somehow fall back to voice-over-IP using LTE data (and if the carrier or MVNO supports it), they're going to have issues.  Verizon is scheduled to start axing their 2G/3G networks starting in late 2019.  AT&T will probably follow shortly after.

I already encounter this issue to a degree with my GS5 Neo today, which doesn't support VoLTE.  At my house I receive a strong 700 MHz LTE signal but a weak 1900 MHz HSPA signal.  So data transfers are fine but voice and text can sometimes be iffy.

I could also see carriers releasing VoIP apps for older phones, but then doing nasty things like blocking them from working on third party ROMs or on unbranded phones.  There are already reports of carriers refusing to activate VoLTE because they don't have that carrier's variant of a phone, even when the phone supports it.

A total clusterfark is right around the corner.


2G on ATT is gone, and 2G on VZW is almost gone-- Jan 2019 cutoff.  3G on Sprint/VZW and those leasing their bands has almost entirely been data.  They sent voice straight from 2G to VOLTE.  Part of your reception issue is probably just that 700 carries so much better than 1900.  T-mobs jumping into the 700 band was a great idea, but with the enormous bandwidth required for 5G channels, I don't know how long that band will be really useful.
 
2018-03-04 08:42:58 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: You have no clue what you are talking about, as usual.

I"m talking about Android phones powering down suddenly because their battery is failing and they don't know how to prevent it.

This happens at all charge levels, not just one.

Perhaps if you continue to lie about it like a Trumper, that'll fix everything?

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Oh, you mean complaints about a few users of one specific model of Android phone by one specific manufacturer?
Good thing the iPhone has never had similar problems. That would be really embarrassing.
Some iPhone users have experienced a very annoying issue; their iPhone will randomly turn itself off, despite having battery charge remaining. Sometimes this is just a matter of the iPhone battery indicator not updating properly, sometimes it's software related, and sometimes it's actually related to the battery hardware itself.
If you're experiencing the random shutting itself down problem on your iPhone, we've got a few troubleshooting solutions that may fix the issue.


BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: I don't leave Bluetooth turned on.

LOL. I just don't use major features of the Phone!

Who needs security patches if you just neuter your device and hope you never need to make an emergency call at the same time it decides to die on you?


What would I need Bluetooth for? My phone has a headphone socket so I don't need Bluetooth for that. It has great speakers so I don't need to run Bluetooth speakers.

And in four years the phone has never once died on my so I think I'm safe. And thanks to HTC not secretly crippling it I still have full power.
 
2018-03-04 09:00:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Oh, you mean complaints about a few users of one specific model of Android phone by one specific manufacturer?


No. No I don't.

As has been pointed out to you in other threads, this is a widespread problem with lithium ion batteries and one that Apple has taken the trouble to fix and Android has not.

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Why keep lying about it like a Trumper?
 
2018-03-04 09:02:23 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: What would I need Bluetooth for?


LOL. Pathetic Android fanboy who claimed he didn't need security fixes now claims he doesn't need a working Smartphone either.

Are you also going to turn off WiFi because of unpatched flaws there?
 
2018-03-04 09:17:52 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: Oh, you mean complaints about a few users of one specific model of Android phone by one specific manufacturer?

No. No I don't.

As has been pointed out to you in other threads, this is a widespread problem with lithium ion batteries and one that Apple has taken the trouble to fix and Android has not.

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Why keep lying about it like a Trumper?


Really? The article I linked to was mid 2016.

From over two years later:
iPhone 6s Unexpectedly Shuts Down? Apple Might Have a Fix!
And they link back to the 2016 article for others who may be having the problem. So it looks like they think the problem is still out there.

So in your mind a problem that affects some Android users is a major flaw and Android phones are terrible while the exact same issue with iPhones are minor issues and should be ignored and keep buying iPhones?

How about three problems with the iPhone X?
After Apple confirmed that it would look into problems causing iPhone X to freeze during incoming calls, the issue with the flagship smartphone seem to be getting worse. According to an article published by Forbes, users are experiencing further new setback that may or may not be connected to the bug from last week.
In summary, there are three major issues being faced by iPhone X users: calls are freezing and can't be hung up, the iPhone X has a tendency to butt-dial emergency services, and apps can't be quit when in a call.
While the original issue was that owners could not answer calls due to the iPhone X display not waking up, owners are now finding that they can't hang up either. For some users, the display doesn't come back on when moving the iPhone X away from the ear, while others report that the red hangup button is simply unresponsive.
This problem gets worse if your iPhone X is one of those that likes to call emergency services (this bug can be tested by holding the lock button and a volume button for a few seconds), as you'll be talking to 911 without being able to hang up.


Macworld has a whole list of issues the iPhone X has.
> Hair pulling > Face ID not working  > Incoming call delays > iPhone X headaches  > Unresponsive screen > iPhone X green line  > Face ID hacked > Some iPhone X handsets are slower than others  > Speaker buzzing issues

And that's not including the bug where the entire phone crashed if it gets a text with a single character in it.

And again, at least people can't get into my desktop by typing Root and pressing enter a few times....
 
2018-03-04 09:18:31 PM  
Sorry, first article was 2016. Follow up 2016.
 
2018-03-04 09:20:40 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: What would I need Bluetooth for?

LOL. Pathetic Android fanboy who claimed he didn't need security fixes now claims he doesn't need a working Smartphone either.

Are you also going to turn off WiFi because of unpatched flaws there?


So what would I need Bluetooth for? Why should I leave it switched on 24/7?  What won't work without it?

In what way is my phone not a smartphone without it? If it was that essential why have a setting to turn it off? The only thing I use it for is my heating at home.
 
2018-03-04 09:21:34 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Sorry, first article was 2016. Follow up 2016.


I've done it again! 2014, not 2016.
 
2018-03-04 09:27:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So what would I need Bluetooth for?


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LOL. When someone's child dies because their Android phone turned itself off when they tried to call 911, you'll be whining about them not needing a living child.
 
2018-03-04 09:32:38 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: So what would I need Bluetooth for?

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LOL. When someone's child dies because their Android phone turned itself off when they tried to call 911, you'll be whining about them not needing a living child.


Again, an issue affecting some users of certain Android phones.  Just like the many many issues with iPhones I linked to, including Macworld. Are they Apple haters?
 
2018-03-04 09:38:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Really?


Ummm... Really.
 
2018-03-04 09:41:37 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: BullBearMS: Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?

My HTC is now four years old and still works perfectly.  HTC haven't secretly slowed it down to try to get me to buy a new one....

If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

Then on top of that, it suddenly powers off when you need to make an emergency call because it doesn't know how to clock the phone down when the battery is failing?

Double fail.


It's almost as if they need the update for it to be secure.
 
2018-03-04 09:45:35 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Again, an issue affecting some users of certain Android phones.


Again. You're lying. This issue affects all phones that use lithium ion batteries, as has been pointed out to you in multiple threads.

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2018-03-04 09:46:51 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: BullBearMS: Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?

My HTC is now four years old and still works perfectly.  HTC haven't secretly slowed it down to try to get me to buy a new one....

If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

Then on top of that, it suddenly powers off when you need to make an emergency call because it doesn't know how to clock the phone down when the battery is failing?

Double fail.

It's almost as if they need the update for it to be secure.


Which would be the reason that Android vendors should copy Apple's policy of providing OS and security updates for four years, if they're going to copy something.
 
2018-03-05 07:24:21 AM  
 
2018-03-05 08:34:55 AM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: BullBearMS: Perhaps it's time for Android vendors to copy Apple and provide at least four years of OS and Security updates?

My HTC is now four years old and still works perfectly.  HTC haven't secretly slowed it down to try to get me to buy a new one....

If a phone that can be completely Pwned just because Bluetooth is on is your idea of working perfectly, good for you.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

Then on top of that, it suddenly powers off when you need to make an emergency call because it doesn't know how to clock the phone down when the battery is failing?

Double fail.


FWIW, my last two Android phones and my current one all did the underclock on low battery thing with the stock OEM rom and, with custom roms, that has been a feature on all of my phones since my first Android running 2.1 Froyo, or 5 Android phones now.  With custom roms and/or CPU frequency tools I've done the same cap the max cpu freq just like Apple did... Outside of PSX emulation and games, I don't really notice much of a difference between 1.5ghz or 1.2ghz so I don't mind capping myself at 1.2ghz and pushing the "Turbo" button when I go to game.

With things like Spectre and Meltdown, I'm more worried by malicious JS from shiatty advertisers than I am someone physically hacking me via BT.

Also, a lot of phone updates don't come because the chipset vendors never release firmware blobs beyond a certain Android version.  If Qualcomm doesn't release the blobs for Android 6 for that particular chipset, nothing HTC does will matter because they can't officially update it and you now have to resort to CM and hacks for "security".
 
2018-03-05 09:05:00 AM  
My husband had a droid turbo and it started doing the shut-off thing after about 3 years, so he upgraded to the moto z force 2. My droid turbo 2 had a hardware charging issue, but the refurbished they sent me is pure garbage, so now I'm looking at the force 2 also. It's a huge kick in the face to pay so much for a phone. I need a smartphone cause of work, but it's less expensive to buy a tablet than a phone. This nonsense needs to plateau already.
 
2018-03-05 11:30:48 AM  
Angry Fark phone nerds are the worst nerds.
 
2018-03-05 12:11:26 PM  
For the narrow window of time during which an accessory is both useful and not part of the device itself.  Only a matter of time before all this crap will just be part of the device or part of the surrounding office/home environment and it won't be a "phone accessory" at all.
 
2018-03-05 02:14:50 PM  

006andahalf: 2G on ATT is gone, and 2G on VZW is almost gone-- Jan 2019 cutoff. 3G on Sprint/VZW and those leasing their bands has almost entirely been data. They sent voice straight from 2G to VOLTE. Part of your reception issue is probably just that 700 carries so much better than 1900. T-mobs jumping into the 700 band was a great idea, but with the enormous bandwidth required for 5G channels, I don't know how long that band will be really useful.


Yup, AT&T retired their GSM network in 2016.  T-Mobile still operates one around here on the 1900 MHz band for M2M devices, but they're talking about retiring it in 2019.

I'm not sure what you mean by "enormous bandwidth required for 5G channels".  The new 5G "NR" air interface is supposed to support channel widths as narrow as 5 MHz for bands under 2 GHz and 10 MHz for bands over 2 GHz.  It does include support for enormous channels widths as wide as 100 MHz for bands over 2 GHz, but that is an optional setting.

There seems to be some misconceptions regarding 5G and the new centimeter and millimeter wave bands being licensed for LTE and beyond.  Bands beneath 2 GHz will still primarily be used for macrocells for mobile subscribers and sparse fixed subscribers.  Bands between 2 and 6 GHz will primarily be used for macrocells for fixed subscribers and micro/picocells for mobile subscribers.  Bands above 6 GHz will primarily be used for point-to-point backhaul use.

It is not that 5G requires enormous bandwidth, but that it will enable it through the use of optional features such as wider channels on the upper bands, channel aggregation, tower aggregation, MIMO, denser symbol coding, and a few other tricks.  The major wireless carriers want to drive out smaller wireless ISPs and nibble away at the wired ISP customer base.
 
2018-03-05 07:06:57 PM  

hashtag.acronym: With custom roms and/or CPU frequency tools I've done the same cap the max cpu freq just like Apple did...


Whereupon you are running an unsupported OS where iffy hardware support is the order of the day.
 
2018-03-05 09:54:11 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: Again, an issue affecting some users of certain Android phones.

Again. You're lying. This issue affects all phones that use lithium ion batteries, as has been pointed out to you in multiple threads.

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So (a) why is my four year old HTC still capable of lasting three days of light use, two days of average use? And (b) why are you ignoring that my HTC came with battery saving modes that do things to conserve power when battery level is low? And (c) if this affects all batteries why are you blaming Android and saying "Hurr, your Android phone is going to switch off and leave you stranded"? iPhones have Li-on batteries. And iPhones have many reports of them switching off when showing plenty of power. So how can you claim this is an Android thing?
 
2018-03-05 10:14:53 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So (a) why is my four year old HTC still capable of lasting three days of light use, two days of average use?


Because, as usual, you're lying.
 
2018-03-05 11:00:18 PM  

BullBearMS: Carter Pewterschmidt: So (a) why is my four year old HTC still capable of lasting three days of light use, two days of average use?

Because, as usual, you're lying.


Pot/kettle.

Amusing that the whole point of TFA is that people are keeping their phones longer and longer but when I say my four year old smartphone is still working perfectly you call me a liar.

Shame about the poor iPhone X sales...
A report today claims that Apple is cutting its iPhone X production targets in half in response to 'disappointing holiday season sales.' Apple is said to have notified suppliers that it has cut its production target for the first quarter of this year to 20M, after previously telling them to expect to produce 40M units ...

And Apple having to put back an update to iOS a year to sort their abysmal quality out.
Apple's software head Craig Federighi told employees the company needs to focus on performance and quality, according to Axios, which cited uinidentified sources. Apple's newest iPhone and iPad software - iOS 11- has been particularly riddled with bugs, which Apple has continued to fix throughout the past year.

I assume that was the iOS update that is their attempt to catch up with Windows 10 tablet features. Ah well, maybe next year.....
 
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