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2018-03-03 09:49:09 AM  
Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .
 
2018-03-03 10:05:21 AM  
How about getting rid of all of the individual stupid conference TV networks and bringing the NCAA games back to public TV and ... making less money?
 
2018-03-03 10:18:28 AM  
Paying players would make the money problems worse, not better.

I do agree the NCAA needs to dramatically ramp up enforcement of academic eligibility and dishonesty regulations.  They also need to increase and enforce penalties on schools where a large percentage of athletes, even if just from one sport, leave for a draft or drop out to play professionally before graduating with a degree.

Instituting mandatory profit sharing within each division would also be a smart move.  Let the big schools keep enough to cover expenses and some of their earned profit, and force the rest to go into a fund shared by the rest of the division to help level the playing field.
 
2018-03-03 10:22:04 AM  
Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.
 
2018-03-03 10:26:49 AM  
Should be a lot of carefully considered variations of "we don't want to see black kids getting paid" in this thread.
 
2018-03-03 10:28:42 AM  

Chris Ween: Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .


This makes sense and would comport with all of the NCAA's stated values.

So not a chance in hell.
 
2018-03-03 10:31:07 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.


There are no profession football and basketball farm systems precisely because of college athletics. That's the problem.

People don't mind baseball and hockey players getting paid out of high school. For some reason, it's a problem for football and basketball. Can't imagine why.
 
2018-03-03 10:35:08 AM  

edmo: Chris Ween: Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .

This makes sense and would comport with all of the NCAA's stated values.

So not a chance in hell.


There are 85 full ride scholarships per year in FBS. Figure they are worth $40K each (I'm guessing) and that means the coach's salary is $3.4 million.
 
2018-03-03 10:51:15 AM  

Chris Ween: Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .


Ok so then what do you do with all the extra money? The university just keeps it?
 
2018-03-03 10:56:31 AM  
I've always been curious why the IRS never seems to go after these students who accept gives of cars or cash.

I seriously doubt these kids ever report the income.

or even if they are on their parents taxes....why doesn't the IRS go after and fine the parents?
 
2018-03-03 11:05:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.


I agree that they aren't supposed to be farm systems, but for MANY kids, going to college on a full ride scholarship is their path to a good school. Wrestling, volleyball, baseball, soccer, hockey, badminton, fencing, a lot of these sports. And not only for men, for women too. Now granted, most of the fencing kids are probably not hurting for money, but hopefully you get my point, there are a lot of scholarship sports and very few of them are going to be paid money after college.

I don't think we should do anything that makes things worse for the majority of the actual "student athletes". Of which we should remember, there are many. There are what, 340+ division I college basketball teams now? Of those 5000 players, maybe 25 players are first round NBA players. And as for football, the numbers are bigger but not appreciably. Another 25 might get NBA second round contracts, then another 100-200 might go on to play euroball or G league.

Then you have to consider everyone else, including the teams struggling that don't bring in a lot of basketball revenues.

What I do think we should consider is a different arrangement for the two big sports, men's football and basketball. And universities should give scholarships to players and also pay them a set amount per year for bringing in revenues. Not a ton of money, but farm system money.

If the NCAA was more transparent about everything, it would be easier to ascertain whether or not it was seriously f*cking over the kids it pretends to care about, or just profiting from slave labor.

Having said all of that, maybe you're right, maybe we should just do away with the college athletics scholarship and make it all academic scholarships. Maybe the US should value intelligence over raw athletic ability. Maybe pigs will fly someday.
 
2018-03-03 12:15:22 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

There are no profession football and basketball farm systems precisely because of college athletics. That's the problem.

People don't mind baseball and hockey players getting paid out of high school. For some reason, it's a problem for football and basketball. Can't imagine why.


There is the NBA D-League.   For football it's tougher, you can't have 18 year olds playing on the same field as 25 year olds, they'd be physically destroyed in short order.
 
2018-03-03 12:33:13 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

There are no profession football and basketball farm systems precisely because of college athletics. That's the problem.

People don't mind baseball and hockey players getting paid out of high school. For some reason, it's a problem for football and basketball. Can't imagine why.


Yep. It's almost as if robust developmental leagues would solve the issue.
 
2018-03-03 12:44:35 PM  
I like the way baseball does it with the two choices a player has outside of college.  You also have a hockey system where a player gets drafted at 18 and the team holds onto his draft rights until his amateur eligibility expires.  I think the NBA should do a hybrid of both.

The NFL won't exist in 20 years, current players are ok with it, owners know it, and players 20 years from now are being prevented from playing by their parents or aren't allowed to tackle their opponents for another 5 years.  They can do whatever they want until FBS becomes the top of the sport.

College athletes in big-money sports should be getting something, but not the big dollars that go to funding the softball team.  Instead, all the apparel net dollars should be put into escrow and given to the player when he leaves school.  During which time, they, and all students really, should go into money management classes as required freshman credit.

Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.


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2018-03-03 12:45:37 PM  
Ok now where should you stop paying? Women will demand equal pay and at most universities they are a huge money loser, even at schools with a successful womens team they still barely break even.
 
2018-03-03 12:52:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.


College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.
 
2018-03-03 01:01:43 PM  

never trust a bunny: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.


 There sure is a bunch of issues that only the US suffers from, why is that?
 
2018-03-03 01:07:59 PM  

jaylectricity: Chris Ween: Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .

Ok so then what do you do with all the extra money? The university just keeps it?


Maybe so etching crazy like spend it on the other students.
 
2018-03-03 01:15:58 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: never trust a bunny: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.

 There sure is a bunch of issues that only the US suffers from, why is that?


When people have state school athletics to spend their money and attention on, at least they feel like they're getting some value back directly for their money, because supporting athletics makes them feel good. If they didn't have that and the school were supported by higher taxes, the people don't feel a direct benefit, so they complain more.

No, this isn't logical to your typical left-brained person. Never operate under the assumption that people are logical. That way lies madness.
 
2018-03-03 01:20:25 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: never trust a bunny: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.

 There sure is a bunch of issues that only the US suffers from, why is that?


You're going to have to be more specific if you want any type of nuanced answer. If you want a super vague answer, greed, extreme tribalism, and a bunch of people saying "I got mine so F you".
 
2018-03-03 01:34:23 PM  

never trust a bunny: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: never trust a bunny: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.

 There sure is a bunch of issues that only the US suffers from, why is that?

You're going to have to be more specific if you want any type of nuanced answer. If you want a super vague answer, greed, extreme tribalism, and a bunch of people saying "I got mine so F you".


 My snark was just that, snark.
 My hate is rapidly spreading for all things American and that tends to lead me around more than I care to admit. I know it's a flaw and 'me' problem but this 'tell it like it is' populism is starting to hit dangerously close to home and heart. If the train really does go off the tracks, and Trumpism is hard at work trying to make it happen, I fear the stabbyness that will engulf my soul.
 
2018-03-03 01:44:26 PM  

Chris Ween: jaylectricity: Chris Ween: Everybody that makes rhs team should get a full ride scholarship but must carry a full load of classes and maintain a C average GPA.

Anyone that accepts money or stuff outside this shall be banned from college sports for life.  Including if their family accepts stuff.

Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team .

Ok so then what do you do with all the extra money? The university just keeps it?

Maybe so etching crazy like spend it on the other students.


Even those freeloaders over in the science department?
 
2018-03-03 01:52:41 PM  
Part of me thinks we are already off the tracks. It's just not time to break open your neighbor's skull and feast on the goo inside....yet. We should know after November.
 
2018-03-03 01:58:52 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: never trust a bunny: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: never trust a bunny: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so. Simply doing away with sports would harm most schools as a whole.

The current system is broken and corrupt. It needs major reform. But your solution would do a great deal of harm to academics thanks to cutting off a major source of funding. They are also a venue for education in sports medicine and a host of other programs that don't produce professional athletes. All of that doesn't take into account the economic impact to the cities that the schools call home. Simply ending college athletics is, in fact, not simple at all.

 There sure is a bunch of issues that only the US suffers from, why is that?

You're going to have to be more specific if you want any type of nuanced answer. If you want a super vague answer, greed, extreme tribalism, and a bunch of people saying "I got mine so F you".

 My snark was just that, snark.
 My hate is rapidly spreading for all things American and that tends to lead me around more than I care to admit. I know it's a flaw and 'me' problem but this 'tell it like it is' populism is starting to hit dangerously close to home and heart. If the train really does go off the tracks, and Trumpism is hard at work trying to make it happen, I fear the stabbyness that will engulf my soul.


Maybe take a step back and focus on things that bring you enjoyment for a while?
Taking a 6 month break from fark/internet news did me a world of good.
 
2018-03-03 02:01:01 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Should be a lot of carefully considered variations of "we don't want to see black kids getting paid" in this thread.


Careful. You only get so many plays of the Race Card before it becomes a nonfunctional piece of cardboard...
 
2018-03-03 02:18:05 PM  
sure, let the public decide which sports teams get eliminated and that would include women's teams. Probably not the outcome the public is expecting, but it is exactly what would happen at most schools.
 
2018-03-03 02:32:25 PM  

steamingpile: Ok now where should you stop paying? Women will demand equal pay and at most universities they are a huge money loser, even at schools with a successful womens team they still barely break even.

Every scholarship athlete gets paid the same amount upon graduation. Your diploma comes with a check for the amount in the following equation:
(Total athletic department revenue - total athletic department expenses) / number of scholarship athletes.
If the athletic department is losing money, the athletes aren't going to get a bill.
 
2018-03-03 02:33:01 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Marcus Aurelius: Colleges are supposed to be places of higher learning, not sports farm systems.  Eliminate college athletics and the problem goes away.

Much like the national anthem and public health insurance, other countries don't have this problem.

There are no profession football and basketball farm systems precisely because of college athletics. That's the problem.

People don't mind baseball and hockey players getting paid out of high school. For some reason, it's a problem for football and basketball. Can't imagine why.


Hockey players don't go full pro out of high school.  They go through OHL/WHL, which is a farm system.*  The player either gets the attention of a pro team, goes onto NHL or AHL, or they walk away with college tuition.  They draft into the farm system as young as 15, start on the team at age 16.  I have seen a couple basketball players go pro straight from hs.  However, I would rather see a similar farm system for the other sports.  If pro sports is what the kid wants, have them earn a spot on a farm team while still in hs.  They can play for the farm team till the season they turn 21, and go onto college if a pro contract doesn't happen.  Seeing a growth in sports leagues outside of hs is a sign it could happen.  There are players who cut college short for the pros, like Dylan Larkin.

/I rather go to any OHL or WHL game before I'd watch college hockey.
//just for this reason alone
*also true of foreign players from Europe.  They get a 3 year entry contract when drafted.  If the player isn't ready to get a spot on the AHL or NHL team, they still play for the same league they were in when drafted.  After that 3 years, they still don't earn a spot, they are free to play for other adult leagues.  Watch the NHL draft, they're all children, just turning 18.  None of them will be starting in the NHL within the next 2 years.
 
2018-03-03 02:35:25 PM  
Why do people keep up the pretence that the universities aren't paying the players? They pay them cash money. They get three sources of cash:

1) Housing allowance - equal to the cost of typical housing on campus, usually around $500-800 / month
2) Bard allowance - equal to the cost of the highest meal plan on campus, usually around $3,000-4,000 / year
3) Cost of attendance grant - about $2,500-$3,000 / year

Here's details on some of these from UT - San Antonio: http://www.utsa.edu/financia​laid/types​-of-aid/athletics/athleticscholarships​.html

Schools are allowed to also pay their athletes over the summer if they are taking classes - only some schools (typically SEC and B1G) do that.

So, at a mid-tier school like UT-SA, they're making about $10,000-15,000/year. At a bigger school, particularly in an expensive area, they're making $20,000 or so per year.

This is comparable to the $1,700 / month that AA baseball players earn
 
2018-03-03 02:48:05 PM  
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Everyone knows Shaq made his money in college.
 
2018-03-03 02:49:43 PM  
Would big name schools pay players more?
 
2018-03-03 03:12:39 PM  

never trust a bunny: College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so


Civilized countries have nationally funded merit based higher education systems.  So you don't have to be good at sports in order to get an education.
 
2018-03-03 03:18:16 PM  
Paying players simply isn't possible.  Stop suggesting it.

(see Title XI)
 
2018-03-03 03:28:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: never trust a bunny: College athletics, especially football, feed money back into the Universities.
They also provide a means for students to attend that otherwise couldn't afford to do so

Civilized countries have nationally funded merit based higher education systems.  So you don't have to be good at sports in order to get an education.


 That would make the sports scholarships a moot point. I whole heartedly support making college free and would happily pay the extra taxes to make it happen. I just don't see it happening in the near future. Maybe I'm cynical.
 
2018-03-03 03:29:22 PM  

Chris Ween: Coaches shall not be paid more than the total amount of scholarships given out for their team faculty.

 
2018-03-03 04:40:50 PM  
lack of warmth:

A bit of correction on the hockey thing

QMJHL/OHL/WHLi, are minor leagues... Not a farm teams

If your a top level player in canada/states which have teams in the league's you can get drafted to go, you get paid and will be on the draft board when your 18, if you fail to makeup you have a good shot at going to Europe ( eitherethrough an offer, paid try out or self finaceed try out) or through the coaching ranks,

If not a top level player you can play JR A, JR B, or JR C and hope to be noticed by an NCAA scout ( this is comparable to aau level club sports) really this is your last shot to get noticed, some players can jump to CHL level clubs but this is rare, if you can afford to self finance you can fund a trip to Europe and try out for secondary level clubs ( non khl leagues)

The farm system is like baseball's, but only two levels (ie red wings ➡grand rapids Griffiths➡Toledo walleye) movement up and down from the top club to the 2nd farm team rarely happens during the course of one season.

There are a variety of non NHL associated minor pro leagues, but making it to the top level most likely won't happen from there.
 
2018-03-03 05:09:56 PM  
I can haz college baseketball thread?

Bill Raftery, speaking to Grant Hill about a player who made a nice move on the court: "You used to break a few ankles in your day."

Alright, I get what he meant but would anybody blame Hill had he taken a pencil and jammed it into Raftery's neck?
 
2018-03-03 06:07:48 PM  

meanmutton: Why do people keep up the pretence that the universities aren't paying the players? They pay them cash money. They get three sources of cash:

1) Housing allowance - equal to the cost of typical housing on campus, usually around $500-800 / month
2) Bard allowance - equal to the cost of the highest meal plan on campus, usually around $3,000-4,000 / year
3) Cost of attendance grant - about $2,500-$3,000 / year

Here's details on some of these from UT - San Antonio: http://www.utsa.edu/financial​aid/types-of-aid/athletics/athleticsch​olarships.html

Schools are allowed to also pay their athletes over the summer if they are taking classes - only some schools (typically SEC and B1G) do that.

So, at a mid-tier school like UT-SA, they're making about $10,000-15,000/year. At a bigger school, particularly in an expensive area, they're making $20,000 or so per year.

This is comparable to the $1,700 / month that AA baseball players earn


Why do people keep up this pretense? Because the NCAA insists no one is getting "paid" because then they're employees and they can unionize. You can't even keep your talking points straight when you carry water for this crooked, exploitative, illegal system.

Oh they get some money. That's nice, it's obvious they are getting compensated for their labor. Their compensation is price-fixed by a cartel, that's illegal.
 
2018-03-03 07:02:57 PM  
Or the NFL and NBA could run their own minor leagues instead of expecting the NCAA to do it for them.
 
2018-03-03 07:17:42 PM  
ElwoodCuse: meanmutton: Why do people keep up the pretence that the universities aren't paying the players? They pay them cash money. They get three sources of cash:

1) Housing allowance - equal to the cost of typical housing on campus, usually around $500-800 / month
2) Bard allowance - equal to the cost of the highest meal plan on campus, usually around $3,000-4,000 / year
3) Cost of attendance grant - about $2,500-$3,000 / year

Here's details on some of these from UT - San Antonio: http://www.utsa.edu/financial​aid/types-of-aid/athletics/athleticsch​olarships.html

Schools are allowed to also pay their athletes over the summer if they are taking classes - only some schools (typically SEC and B1G) do that.

So, at a mid-tier school like UT-SA, they're making about $10,000-15,000/year. At a bigger school, particularly in an expensive area, they're making $20,000 or so per year.

This is comparable to the $1,700 / month that AA baseball players earn

Why do people keep up this pretense? Because the NCAA insists no one is getting "paid" because then they're employees and they can unionize. You can't even keep your talking points straight when you carry water for this crooked, exploitative, illegal system.

Oh they get some money. That's nice, it's obvious they are getting compensated for their labor. Their compensation is price-fixed by a cartel, that's illegal.


Unless previous encounters are being brought into this that I'm unaware of, your post went after something that was unsaid by the individual you were replying to. He made a post and then it was unfairly grouped in with something in the neighborhood that was not said or advanced. You were talking "at him," not "with him."

Even though I am a man of limitless integrity, it pains me to defend a hater of America so I hope you feel good about yourself.
 
2018-03-03 09:13:12 PM  

meanmutton: Why do people keep up the pretence that the universities aren't paying the players? They pay them cash money. They get three sources of cash:

1) Housing allowance - equal to the cost of typical housing on campus, usually around $500-800 / month
2) Bard allowance - equal to the cost of the highest meal plan on campus, usually around $3,000-4,000 / year
3) Cost of attendance grant - about $2,500-$3,000 / year

Here's details on some of these from UT - San Antonio: http://www.utsa.edu/financial​aid/types-of-aid/athletics/athleticsch​olarships.html

Schools are allowed to also pay their athletes over the summer if they are taking classes - only some schools (typically SEC and B1G) do that.

So, at a mid-tier school like UT-SA, they're making about $10,000-15,000/year. At a bigger school, particularly in an expensive area, they're making $20,000 or so per year.

This is comparable to the $1,700 / month that AA baseball players earn


I made $28k per year as a grad student.
 
2018-03-03 09:18:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Or the NFL and NBA could run their own minor leagues instead of expecting the NCAA to do it for them.


The NBA DOES run their own minor league. They also run a women's league. There are also dozens of leagues throughout the world.
 
2018-03-03 10:50:05 PM  

IAmRight: Voiceofreason01: Or the NFL and NBA could run their own minor leagues instead of expecting the NCAA to do it for them.

The NBA DOES run their own minor league. They also run a women's league. There are also dozens of leagues throughout the world.


Yeah, they have the D League and a Europe League. Some teams are pretty adept at stashing away players in these lesser leagues so they aren't exposed  to rules that force them to deal the player or put them on waivers.
 
2018-03-03 11:35:24 PM  

never trust a bunny: Part of me thinks we are already off the tracks. It's just not time to break open your neighbor's skull and feast on the goo inside....yet. We should know after November.


Start feeding your neighbor spicy food now to enhance the flavor profile of the goo.
 
2018-03-03 11:38:54 PM  

ElwoodCuse: meanmutton: Why do people keep up the pretence that the universities aren't paying the players? They pay them cash money. They get three sources of cash:

1) Housing allowance - equal to the cost of typical housing on campus, usually around $500-800 / month
2) Bard allowance - equal to the cost of the highest meal plan on campus, usually around $3,000-4,000 / year
3) Cost of attendance grant - about $2,500-$3,000 / year

Here's details on some of these from UT - San Antonio: http://www.utsa.edu/financial​aid/types-of-aid/athletics/athleticsch​olarships.html

Schools are allowed to also pay their athletes over the summer if they are taking classes - only some schools (typically SEC and B1G) do that.

So, at a mid-tier school like UT-SA, they're making about $10,000-15,000/year. At a bigger school, particularly in an expensive area, they're making $20,000 or so per year.

This is comparable to the $1,700 / month that AA baseball players earn

Why do people keep up this pretense? Because the NCAA insists no one is getting "paid" because then they're employees and they can unionize. You can't even keep your talking points straight when you carry water for this crooked, exploitative, illegal system.

Oh they get some money. That's nice, it's obvious they are getting compensated for their labor. Their compensation is price-fixed by a cartel, that's illegal.


A better argument is that the players are being paid in compamy scrip, also illegal.
 
2018-03-03 11:52:24 PM  

baron von doodle: never trust a bunny: Part of me thinks we are already off the tracks. It's just not time to break open your neighbor's skull and feast on the goo inside....yet. We should know after November.

Start feeding your neighbor spicy food now to enhance the flavor profile of the goo.


I make a lot of bbq and they all mooch when I have the smoker going. They should have a nice applewood flavor by now.  I buy Siracha in bulk, so no worries on the spicy.
 
2018-03-04 12:35:46 AM  

AuralArgument: lack of warmth:

A bit of correction on the hockey thing

QMJHL/OHL/WHLi, are minor leagues... Not a farm teams

If your a top level player in canada/states which have teams in the league's you can get drafted to go, you get paid and will be on the draft board when your 18, if you fail to makeup you have a good shot at going to Europe ( eitherethrough an offer, paid try out or self finaceed try out) or through the coaching ranks,

If not a top level player you can play JR A, JR B, or JR C and hope to be noticed by an NCAA scout ( this is comparable to aau level club sports) really this is your last shot to get noticed, some players can jump to CHL level clubs but this is rare, if you can afford to self finance you can fund a trip to Europe and try out for secondary level clubs ( non khl leagues)

The farm system is like baseball's, but only two levels (ie red wings ➡grand rapids Griffiths➡Toledo walleye) movement up and down from the top club to the 2nd farm team rarely happens during the course of one season.

There are a variety of non NHL associated minor pro leagues, but making it to the top level most likely won't happen from there.


Actually OHL/WHL and such cannot be considered a minor league or pro, because even the NCAA doesn't recognize them as such.  If a player steps on the ice to play for AHL or NHL, they cannot ever play college.  However, a player from OHL or WHL can drop out of their league and go play for college.  They're seen as student players, and it's considered a junior league, not a minor league.  I know this because a player dropped out of the league to go play college hockey.
 
2018-03-04 05:00:23 PM  
lack of warmth:

Thanks for the correction
 
2018-03-04 08:21:09 PM  
ahem... Mark Emmert is a biatch. fark that guy.
 
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