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2018-03-02 10:59:13 AM  
Well, he can always find work elsewhere in the tech sector. There's that competing search engine... what were they called again?

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Yeah, that's the one. Thanks, Ned.
 
2018-03-02 05:25:13 PM  
Last week I had a doctor appointment over near Spear and Folsom, which is were a large number of Google/YouTube employees work. I decided to have lunch in that area. I could not get over the number of gray fleece-clad, stubbly-faced, 30-something, guys (all white, central Asian or east Asian) standing in line for their burritos, sushi rolls, or kimchi-fries. It was laughable.

And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.
 
2018-03-02 05:32:51 PM  
He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.
 
2018-03-02 08:33:45 PM  
Bumpass discovers his racist, sexist screed won't fly. Continues digging upward harder.

Go find a woodchipper to lube, jerk.
 
2018-03-02 08:37:50 PM  
Meh. Let him sue. I just hope the judge remembers to point while laughing him out of court.
 
2018-03-02 08:46:14 PM  
James Damore
Milo Yiannopolous
Abigail Fischer
and this guy.

I dub this phenomenon - Whitefirmative Action.
 
2018-03-02 08:47:09 PM  

ArkAngel: He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.


Plus, it's pretty illegal. Discrimination laws apply to everyone, even those you think don't deserve it.
 
2018-03-02 08:47:42 PM  
I swear, Fark loves discrimination against Asians, unless it's the other team doing it.
 
2018-03-02 08:53:01 PM  
So a male computer science major has issues with women huh? Never would have suspected that.....
 
2018-03-02 08:53:33 PM  
Do they have an ethnicity box to check off on their applications or do they just make assumptions based on your name?

Oh, nevermind, Google. They already know everything about everybody.
 
2018-03-02 08:58:29 PM  
Not a chance this is true. I have been assured that white people CAN NOT be discriminated against.
 
2018-03-02 09:05:43 PM  

Stile4aly: James Damore
Milo Yiannopolous
Abigail Fischer
and this guy.

I dub this phenomenon - Whitefirmative Action.


You should see the interview he gave to Stephan Molyneux.  It's like gazing into the Derpbyss.
 
2018-03-02 09:08:02 PM  

lostcat: Last week I had a doctor appointment over near Spear and Folsom, which is were a large number of Google/YouTube employees work. I decided to have lunch in that area. I could not get over the number of gray fleece-clad, stubbly-faced, 30-something, guys (all white, central Asian or east Asian) standing in line for their burritos, sushi rolls, or kimchi-fries. It was laughable.

And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.


At last years AWS conference I was on a bus that was transferring attendees from one conference center to another. The bus was packed. There were two women on board. One was the bus driver. The rest were pudgy white or asian guys.
 
2018-03-02 09:08:43 PM  

lostcat: Last week I had a doctor appointment over near Spear and Folsom, which is were a large number of Google/YouTube employees work. I decided to have lunch in that area. I could not get over the number of gray fleece-clad, stubbly-faced, 30-something, guys (all white, central Asian or east Asian) standing in line for their burritos, sushi rolls, or kimchi-fries. It was laughable.

And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.


So you're complaining that guys were talking about work with their co-workers.
 
2018-03-02 09:13:58 PM  

FLMountainMan: lostcat:

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.

So you're complaining that guys were talking about work with their co-workers.


No, he is complaining about black women choosing not to care about being a corporate tech drone.
I guess they shouldn't have a choice?
 
2018-03-02 09:36:32 PM  
"was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline"

There's no entitled jackassness about refusing that instruction. It's flat out illegal to filter out applicants by sex or race.
 
2018-03-02 09:36:36 PM  

ArkAngel: He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.


The thing is, that's a pretty big goddamned "if." His entire lawsuit hinges on that "if."
 
2018-03-02 09:45:12 PM  
Why is it even legal to ask someone's gender or race during the job application process? How is that relevant to the skills and experience needed?
 
2018-03-02 09:49:43 PM  

lostcat: And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

their jobs

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"White People, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE​EEEEEEEE"
 
2018-03-02 09:59:59 PM  

LoneVVolf: "was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline"

There's no entitled jackassness about refusing that instruction. It's flat out illegal to filter out applicants by sex or race.


Smart money says he's making it up.
 
2018-03-02 10:01:20 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: lostcat: And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.their jobs

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"White People, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE​EEEEEEEE"


Show us on the doll where Zoe Quinn touched you.
 
2018-03-02 10:01:59 PM  

Ravage: Why is it even legal to ask someone's gender or race during the job application process? How is that relevant to the skills and experience needed?


It isn't.
 
2018-03-02 10:12:05 PM  

FormlessOne: ArkAngel: He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.

The thing is, that's a pretty big goddamned "if." His entire lawsuit hinges on that "if."


I don't think it requires any great stretch of the imagination to believe it could have happened. Google has been under considerable pressure for years to diversify their workforce, and they haven't really done that great a job of it. I could see some exec who doesn't grasp the distinction between affirmative action and illegal discrimination handing down an order like that to recruitment, just out of desperation to get the numbers up.
 
2018-03-02 10:32:11 PM  

gingerjet: lostcat: Last week I had a doctor appointment over near Spear and Folsom, which is were a large number of Google/YouTube employees work. I decided to have lunch in that area. I could not get over the number of gray fleece-clad, stubbly-faced, 30-something, guys (all white, central Asian or east Asian) standing in line for their burritos, sushi rolls, or kimchi-fries. It was laughable.

And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.

At last years AWS conference I was on a bus that was transferring attendees from one conference center to another. The bus was packed. There were two women on board. One was the bus driver. The rest were pudgy white or asian guys.


I set up AWS infrastructure, I am white but pretty thin and doubt I will ever attend a conference in my life though. Two guys I know who also are in it are white, but not pudgy. So you are close I think.

They, (conferences) seem like huge jerkoff sessions, but maybe they are valuable?
 
2018-03-02 10:36:33 PM  

Ravage: Why is it even legal to ask someone's gender or race during the job application process? How is that relevant to the skills and experience needed?


The info is sent to an employment government office to get statistics to see if discrimination trends are happening. They aren't really supposed to keep track of it internally or included in applicant info I believe.

Like the boss doesn't get resume #1 white ,#2 asian, etc.
 
2018-03-02 10:50:32 PM  

Bumblefark: FormlessOne: ArkAngel: He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.

The thing is, that's a pretty big goddamned "if." His entire lawsuit hinges on that "if."

I don't think it requires any great stretch of the imagination to believe it could have happened. Google has been under considerable pressure for years to diversify their workforce, and they haven't really done that great a job of it. I could see some exec who doesn't grasp the distinction between affirmative action and illegal discrimination handing down an order like that to recruitment, just out of desperation to get the numbers up.


Fair enough. The lie was not completely implausible.
 
2018-03-02 10:55:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: LoneVVolf: "was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline"

There's no entitled jackassness about refusing that instruction. It's flat out illegal to filter out applicants by sex or race.

Smart money says he's making it up.


Yep. Sounds like someone angling for the fame and donations that come from being a "persecuted" right wing white guy. If he gets Fat Donny Tweeting about it, he'll make a few thousand, easy.
 
2018-03-02 10:58:25 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: gingerjet: lostcat: Last week I had a doctor appointment over near Spear and Folsom, which is were a large number of Google/YouTube employees work. I decided to have lunch in that area. I could not get over the number of gray fleece-clad, stubbly-faced, 30-something, guys (all white, central Asian or east Asian) standing in line for their burritos, sushi rolls, or kimchi-fries. It was laughable.

And the crap they talk about. I'm in tech myself, but my god...these people are just droning on and on to each other about scalable data query models and AI-based agile scrum planning sessions.

I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.

At last years AWS conference I was on a bus that was transferring attendees from one conference center to another. The bus was packed. There were two women on board. One was the bus driver. The rest were pudgy white or asian guys.

I set up AWS infrastructure, I am white but pretty thin and doubt I will ever attend a conference in my life though. Two guys I know who also are in it are white, but not pudgy. So you are close I think.

They, (conferences) seem like huge jerkoff sessions, but maybe they are valuable?


they're full of free booze, usually in a fun spot and the company doing them usually throws a party night with a band or some sort of decent event. also, as much free clothing as you can pack into the free bags you'll get. what isn't valuable about that?
 
2018-03-02 11:09:34 PM  
I used to think Google had great hiring practices until an utterly clueless and bulshiatty network manager I worked with got hired there.  And has been there over 5 years.
 
2018-03-02 11:22:08 PM  

tlchwi02: , as much free clothing as you can pack into the free bags you'll get. what isn't valuable about that?


Heheh. I can't do those T-shirts. Wife worked at IBM putting some of these events on and theirs were usually fugly and I'm not a billboard.

Don't take this too seriously-

Eh, I'm just not into the free booze IT crowd I guess mostly. As I'm sure you know the field is wide so that's pretty variable. I hate listening to blather and boast about IT or marketechture spiels for very long unless it's interesting, I'd rather find a dive bar and buy my own.

That said though, it's probably better than sitting in the office which I've luckily avoided for a few years again.
 
2018-03-02 11:27:42 PM  
This seems to be a chicken/egg problem. Google wants more women and minorities but there are fewer women and minorities going into tech/programming fields. Like male elementary school teachers.

Seeing as Google has been around a while now and will be around for a while yet, maybe they should train up people from scratch? They could give college scholarships on the condition of working for Google for X years, or they could set up a training program themselves. Go really old school and hire people out of high school, even.

It's not like they don't have the money. Problems like this aren't about to be solved by the government as it exists now (even in California which is blue). Maybe they could lobby for better schools?
 
2018-03-02 11:31:10 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: tlchwi02: , as much free clothing as you can pack into the free bags you'll get. what isn't valuable about that?

Heheh. I can't do those T-shirts. Wife worked at IBM putting some of these events on and theirs were usually fugly and I'm not a billboard.

Don't take this too seriously-

Eh, I'm just not into the free booze IT crowd I guess mostly. As I'm sure you know the field is wide so that's pretty variable. I hate listening to blather and boast about IT or marketechture spiels for very long unless it's interesting, I'd rather find a dive bar and buy my own.

That said though, it's probably better than sitting in the office which I've luckily avoided for a few years again.


yeah, its like a free semi-vacation for a lot of people. although to be fair, my wife does one every year for the software she uses at work and she says she learns stuff, but i think she may be making the mistake of staying sober, so that could be on her
 
2018-03-03 12:07:18 AM  
tlchwi02:

Wife learned biz trips are much harsher if you attend the booze sessions after work. I hope I have learned that now that I'm in 40's.

\ they seem like the worst hangovers
 
2018-03-03 12:26:35 AM  

Voiceofreason01: LoneVVolf: "was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline"

There's no entitled jackassness about refusing that instruction. It's flat out illegal to filter out applicants by sex or race.

Smart money says he's making it up.


Considering how much pressure tech companies, especially large companies like Google, have been under to hire anyone other than Asians and White (men in particular) it's not implausible some hiring manager went bonkers. Fight the ASIAN (and WHITE) POWER! You just know those Asians run around oppressing everyone in America.

adamatari: Seeing as Google has been around a while now and will be around for a while yet, maybe they should train up people from scratch? They could give college scholarships on the condition of working for Google for X years, or they could set up a training program themselves. Go really old school and hire people out of high school, even.


You think Google is different from any other company?  Companies don't train people anymore, even though most entry level jobs could be done by Rhesus Monkey if you put enough bananas/fruit/nuts in front of them. They only want the "stars" to come in and make money.
 
2018-03-03 02:50:51 AM  

lostcat: I for one would love to see a more diverse mix of people, just waiting in line at a freaking restaurant.


The most diverse place in the entire Bay Area is the gun range on the weekend.  Seriously.
 
2018-03-03 02:52:19 AM  

FormlessOne: ArkAngel: He got a point if he's telling the truth about cancelling all interviews for white and Asian men but not others.

The thing is, that's a pretty big goddamned "if." His entire lawsuit hinges on that "if."


Every lawsuit hinges on a pretty big goddamned if.
 
2018-03-03 10:21:45 AM  
Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that Google keeps getting sued? I work in the technology sector (though not at that level) and every company I've worked at in the last 15 years had made me sign an arbitration agreement as part of being hired that takes away my right to sue. I'm surprised Google doesn't just do the same. Is that a California law, or something?
 
2018-03-03 11:21:12 AM  
Refusing orders to discriminate based on skin color makes one an entitled jackass and a racist?

Never change, Fark.
 
2018-03-03 05:00:54 PM  
The failures in this thread obviously did not RTFA.
"Some companies have publicly said that they are trying to rectify this situation by working harder to find candidates who can do the job and who are also traditionally underrepresented minorities."

This is what too many white people have no clue about... for mush of the history of this country - actually just about all of it - minorities (and women) have been shut out of tech by hiring practices (the white guys that were already there tended to hire more like themselves), economics (poorer schools and poorer people have fewer computers), and social strictures (kids are best most likely to replicate what they see). This has led to a dearth of qualified minorities and women in these positions. The number of qualified people is changing... they just aren't getting hired.

The hiring practices are probably by far the biggest reason, and the most difficult to combat. The white guys in tech know - both consciously and subconsciously - think that hiring more like themselves will make things "simpler" for them. They will not have to adjust their comfort level because anything they are comfortable with in terms of culture and language and ideas and even politics can and will be replicated at the next desk over, and the next, and the next. Sexist jokes, gay jokes, racist jokes, whatever comes out of their faces will not stir the reaction it might in a more diverse setting. They can be less civilized, in a "frat-boy" kind of way.

With all the white and Asian guys already there, I'm not seeing a problem with choosing qualified people that are not white nor Asian to fill empty positions. More women as well.
 
2018-03-03 08:58:17 PM  

geek_mars: Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that Google keeps getting sued? I work in the technology sector (though not at that level) and every company I've worked at in the last 15 years had made me sign an arbitration agreement as part of being hired that takes away my right to sue. I'm surprised Google doesn't just do the same. Is that a California law, or something?


Mandatory arbitration as a requirement for employment is not enforceable under California law.
 
2018-03-03 09:22:17 PM  

inglixthemad: Companies don't train people anymore


Au contraire.

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2018-03-03 09:26:43 PM  

rewind2846: This is what too many white people have no clue about... for mush of the history of this country - actually just about all of it - minorities (and women) have been shut out of tech by hiring practices


You can end the industry practice of not hiring equally qualified minorities without illegally refusing to even consider hiring Asians.

It's not difficult.
 
2018-03-04 12:00:49 AM  

ArkAngel: geek_mars: Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that Google keeps getting sued? I work in the technology sector (though not at that level) and every company I've worked at in the last 15 years had made me sign an arbitration agreement as part of being hired that takes away my right to sue. I'm surprised Google doesn't just do the same. Is that a California law, or something?

Mandatory arbitration as a requirement for employment is not enforceable under California law.


Another mark on the "pro" column on my pro/con list of moving to California. If I thought I could afford a place to live that didn't require a 3 hour commute to work I'd have moved already.
 
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