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(CBS Sports)   MLB: The baseballs have not been altered, and are not to blame for the recent HR surge. FiveThirtyEight.com: These x-rays of baseballs say otherwise   ( cbssports.com) divider line
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2018-03-02 09:20:51 AM  
Those x-ray pics in TFA sure sold me.
 
2018-03-02 09:25:46 AM  
What a baseball x-ray might look like:
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2018-03-02 09:36:16 AM  
I think they should use a superball for the core.  Chicks dig the long ball...and so do I.
 
2018-03-02 10:01:33 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I think they should use a superball for the core.  Chicks dig the long ball...and so do I.


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2018-03-02 10:20:28 AM  
why do we link to articles about articles?

is 538 not breathless enough for fark?
 
2018-03-02 10:28:51 AM  
Metal bats and lacrosse balls by 2035.
 
2018-03-02 10:37:47 AM  
Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/​j​uiced-baseballs/
 
2018-03-02 10:38:53 AM  
A sport where the spectators need to stand up and stretch halfway through is a sport sorely in need of added excitement.
 
2018-03-02 10:42:53 AM  
In other words, an asterisk for the asterisk?
 
2018-03-02 10:48:49 AM  
Why stop at only one pointless step removed?  Why didn't you just link to a tweet about a post on Reddit mentioning the CBS article about an article on 538.com?
 
2018-03-02 10:49:01 AM  

Gleeman: In other words, an asterisk for the asterisk?


That's overstating it.

The entire effect is a difference of 1/2 gram in the center cork+rubber pill. Although they discussed it not at all, it appears that the cork was also less dense in newer balls. Being a natural material (it's bark from a particular oak tree), you'll see variations in cork makeup by supplier and harvest date and location.

I suspect if you wandered through historical baseballs over a much longer period of time, you'd see other oscillations in baseball construction.

There's an air resistance component which appeared interesting, but which was entirely glossed over in this analysis. Unlike the core material they looked at, that one would affect pitching as well.
 
2018-03-02 10:55:07 AM  

This text is now purple: Gleeman: In other words, an asterisk for the asterisk?

That's overstating it.

The entire effect is a difference of 1/2 gram in the center cork+rubber pill. Although they discussed it not at all, it appears that the cork was also less dense in newer balls. Being a natural material (it's bark from a particular oak tree), you'll see variations in cork makeup by supplier and harvest date and location.

I suspect if you wandered through historical baseballs over a much longer period of time, you'd see other oscillations in baseball construction.

There's an air resistance component which appeared interesting, but which was entirely glossed over in this analysis. Unlike the core material they looked at, that one would affect pitching as well.


According to the real article the actual effect is around 9 more feet in potential hitting distance. 

It would affect pitching but I'm wondering how much that decreased air resistance affects off-speed pitches. Decreased air resistance to me seems like it would mean that they would lose some of that control over spin/drop rates.
 
2018-03-02 11:00:18 AM  
Hit the ball... Don't hit the ball.
Hit it low, on the ground, up in the air...
Who gives a fark?
 
2018-03-02 11:14:48 AM  
Baseball sucks.
If MLB has to do this to keep up fan interest, all is lost.
 
2018-03-02 11:14:49 AM  

phimuskapsi: . It would affect pitching but I'm wondering how much that decreased air resistance affects off-speed pitches. Decreased air resistance to me seems like it would mean that they would lose some of that control over spin/drop rates.


Not really, it would just mean that any sort of curve, slider, or any form of breaking ball would break less.
 
2018-03-02 11:20:46 AM  
If you read the 538.com article (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features​/j​uiced-baseballs/ ) instead of whatever the hell subby linked to, the findings are:

1. The cores are half a gram lighter, resulting in about half a foot of additional flight time
2. Changes to weight and density made the ball "bouncier," which adds 3 feet to flight time
3. Tightening the laces allows for less air resistance, which adds 5 feet to flight time

Overall its adds 8.5 feet to flight time, which results in a lot of warning track balls becoming home runs.  Add in the culture shift to not care about strike outs and players willing to swing for the fences means a lot more home runs.
 
2018-03-02 11:21:39 AM  

phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/


I tried, but someone had linked it already, and was denied
 
2018-03-02 11:36:44 AM  

phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/


So really. Behind the Fark curtain. How does this happen? Someone submitted the 538 link and it was rejected, so subby had to use the CBS link instead? If so....how was the 538 link rejected? It's not like this headline is clever...at all.
 
2018-03-02 11:37:44 AM  

Bowen: phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/

So really. Behind the Fark curtain. How does this happen? Someone submitted the 538 link and it was rejected, so subby had to use the CBS link instead? If so....how was the 538 link rejected? It's not like this headline is clever...at all.


mkelly1082: phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/

I tried, but someone had linked it already, and was denied


Well that's the last time I comment without reading the whole thread*

*No it's not
 
2018-03-02 11:46:34 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: Why stop at only one pointless step removed?  Why didn't you just link to a tweet about a post on Reddit mentioning the CBS article about an article on 538.com?


I sent my co-worker an instant message with a link to your post, and he emailed it to his brother.
 
2018-03-02 11:48:42 AM  

Terlis: in about half a foot of additional flight time


But how fast can it do the Kessel Run?
 
2018-03-02 11:51:48 AM  

Terlis: If you read the 538.com article (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/​juiced-baseballs/ ) instead of whatever the hell subby linked to, the findings are:

1. The cores are half a gram lighter, resulting in about half a foot of additional flight time
2. Changes to weight and density made the ball "bouncier," which adds 3 feet to flight time
3. Tightening the laces allows for less air resistance, which adds 5 feet to flight time

Overall its adds 8.5 feet to flight time, which results in a lot of warning track balls becoming home runs.  Add in the culture shift to not care about strike outs and players willing to swing for the fences means a lot more home runs.


Yep

Average Ks and HRs per 162-game season, with the K/HR ratio:
Ted Williams: 50, 37, 1.35
Hank Aaron: 68, 37, 1.84
Mike Schmidt: 127, 37, 3.43
Sammy Sosa: 159, 42, 3.78
Giancarlo Stanton: 187, 44, 4.25
Aaron Judge: 223, 50, 4.46

At this rate, someone is going to hit 75 home runs in a season while striking out well over 300 times. And he'll probably win MVP.
 
2018-03-02 11:55:19 AM  

Trainspotr: At this rate, someone is going to hit 75 home runs in a season while striking out well over 300 times. And he'll probably win MVP.


Three True Outcomes players are the best
 
2018-03-02 12:00:28 PM  

mkelly1082: phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/

I tried, but someone had linked it already, and was denied


Ah, well, then I apologize for assuming you were a dolt.  Carry on.
 
2018-03-02 12:20:43 PM  
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2018-03-02 12:30:50 PM  

Slow To Return: Big Beef Burrito: Why stop at only one pointless step removed?  Why didn't you just link to a tweet about a post on Reddit mentioning the CBS article about an article on 538.com?

I sent my co-worker an instant message with a link to your post, and he emailed it to his brother.


FWD: FWD: FWD: BASEBALLS CAUSE CANCER!!1!
 
2018-03-02 12:35:06 PM  
Before reading a five thirty eight column, keep in mind that five thirty eight can go f*ck itself.  Liars and shills.  They personify taking data and making it fit.
 
2018-03-02 01:03:26 PM  
Pitchers are throwing a lot harder these days which leads to harder hits.
With MLB wanting to speed up the game so badly they should raise the seams of my balls a hair so the breaking stuff will be nastier.
 
2018-03-02 01:06:07 PM  

one2toke: Pitchers are throwing a lot harder these days which leads to harder hits.
With MLB wanting to speed up the game so badly they should raise the seams of my balls a hair so the breaking stuff will be nastier.


Your balls have seams?
 
2018-03-02 01:07:21 PM  
I mean, I would expect a hair or two, but seams is kinda out there
 
2018-03-02 01:14:54 PM  

martissimo: phimuskapsi: . It would affect pitching but I'm wondering how much that decreased air resistance affects off-speed pitches. Decreased air resistance to me seems like it would mean that they would lose some of that control over spin/drop rates.

Not really, it would just mean that any sort of curve, slider, or any form of breaking ball would break less.


Which would make breaking balls easier to hit.
 
2018-03-02 01:20:51 PM  

martissimo: one2toke: Pitchers are throwing a lot harder these days which leads to harder hits.
With MLB wanting to speed up the game so badly they should raise the seams of my balls a hair so the breaking stuff will be nastier.

Your balls have seams?


I'm divorced
 
2018-03-02 01:27:57 PM  

mkelly1082: phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/

I tried, but someone had linked it already, and was denied


When that happens and your headline is just way too funny to deny,  I've heard of people adding a "/?" To the end of the link and fark can't tell the difference.

So I've heard.
 
2018-03-02 01:30:17 PM  

This text is now purple: There's an air resistance component which appeared interesting, but which was entirely glossed over in this analysis. Unlike the core material they looked at, that one would affect pitching as well.


I wondered about that too, like maybe if there was a subtle change in how umpires mud-up their game stock. They shouldn't have let that point drop.
 
2018-03-02 01:50:45 PM  
Baseball juiced the ball in 1920 as well to make sure Babe Ruth would hit massive amounts of HRs and fans would forget about the Black Sox scandal.

It worked.
 
2018-03-02 02:33:38 PM  
BREAKING NEWS: Baseball still boring, lame.
 
2018-03-02 02:34:20 PM  
Interesting read. I'd not be surprised if this was a deliberate action by MLB.
 
2018-03-02 02:49:12 PM  

Bowen: It's not like this headline is clever...at all.


I really hope you never thought that was part of the formula. For a while there I was pretty convinced that it was the other way around and they were intentionally trying to pick the worst headlines.
 
2018-03-02 03:00:03 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Baseball juiced the ball in 1920 as well to make sure Babe Ruth would hit massive amounts of HRs and fans would forget about the Black Sox scandal.

It worked.


The Black Sox scandal was still in the rumor mill at that point. Those guys played in 1920. They changed the composition to the "live ball" several years before that anyway, that just happened to be the year they banned the spitball and Ray Chapman was killed, after which they were finally using fresh, clean, visible baseballs all the time. Use the same ball all day with a spitball pitcher or two when guys don't average a strikeout per game and it's not going to be very "live" for very long.
 
2018-03-02 03:26:45 PM  

Muta: martissimo: phimuskapsi: . It would affect pitching but I'm wondering how much that decreased air resistance affects off-speed pitches. Decreased air resistance to me seems like it would mean that they would lose some of that control over spin/drop rates.

Not really, it would just mean that any sort of curve, slider, or any form of breaking ball would break less.

Which would make breaking balls easier to hit.


Absolutely, my point being that they wouldn't be harder to control, farkers are moving less, easier to control. Less effective, yes, easy to control
 
2018-03-02 04:45:56 PM  

Muta: martissimo: phimuskapsi: . It would affect pitching but I'm wondering how much that decreased air resistance affects off-speed pitches. Decreased air resistance to me seems like it would mean that they would lose some of that control over spin/drop rates.

Not really, it would just mean that any sort of curve, slider, or any form of breaking ball would break less.

Which would make breaking balls easier to hit.


This is my thinking. Need ESPN SportsScience on the case I think lol
 
2018-03-02 05:58:48 PM  
MLB: the baseballs HAVE been altered. pray we do not alter them further.
 
2018-03-02 08:19:45 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Why stop at only one pointless step removed?  Why didn't you just link to a tweet about a post on Reddit mentioning the CBS article about an article on 538.com?


I'm going to start linking to comments on TFD that mention tweets about posts on Reddit mentioning CBS articles that talk about that article on 538.com.

Oh who am I kidding? Nobody knows anything about sports over there.
 
2018-03-03 07:01:06 AM  

Kuta: Baseball sucks.
If MLB has to do this to keep up fan interest, all is lost.


Well...I'm convinced.
 
2018-03-03 07:04:38 AM  

Bowen: phimuskapsi: Subby, next time link to the actual article, which is 100x cooler.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/j​uiced-baseballs/

So really. Behind the Fark curtain. How does this happen? Someone submitted the 538 link and it was rejected, so subby had to use the CBS link instead? If so....how was the 538 link rejected? It's not like this headline is clever...at all.


Two different people running the submission process that injects their opinions into that process put forth different results.  This is mysterious.  Must be these meddling kids.
 
2018-03-03 07:08:07 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Baseball juiced the ball in 1920 as well to make sure Babe Ruth would hit massive amounts of HRs and fans would forget about the Black Sox scandal.

It worked.


I will never forget the Black Sox scandal, so it did not work.
 
2018-03-03 07:08:35 AM  

DecemberNitro: BREAKING NEWS: Baseball still boring, lame.


Well...I'm convinced.
 
2018-03-03 02:08:41 PM  
MLB:  Fake news!!!
 
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