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(Huffington Post)   Retired couple figure out how to legally beat the lottery, gross nearly $27 million from nine years of playing   ( highline.huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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2018-03-02 03:08:39 AM  
What bothered me somewhat was all the work, but they never enjoyed it as in hardly ever spending their winnings......And yet I can see how much they enjoyed the process of husband and wife teamwork and partnership. It was total gruntwork of driving to Massachusetts, buying and printing the tickets, sorting them, ten hours plus a day. In a way, it was good that it ended for them that it ended in 2012 so that they could enjoy their retirement and not be addicted and working themselves to death.
 
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2018-03-02 04:17:42 AM  
While quite long even by long standards, that was a good read.  Nice work, subby.
 
2018-03-02 04:51:07 AM  
No editors at HuffPost?
 
2018-03-02 05:23:40 AM  
As soon as I figured out that they were Republicans, I lost all sympathy for them.
 
2018-03-02 05:46:56 AM  
"How this retired couple beat the lottery system making millions of dollars using this one weird trick!"
 
2018-03-02 05:49:21 AM  
Well written piece. Could see it as a movie one day.
 
2018-03-02 06:18:17 AM  
That was quite the read at 5 am, but interesting none the less!
 
2018-03-02 06:46:58 AM  
Great article and an interesting read at 630 in the morning. Nice find subby!
 
2018-03-02 07:14:20 AM  
I'm completely worthless when it comes to picking any winning numbers, so this was a good read about someone else.  I wish I knew someone that would let me be a part of their club, like these people did when they expanded past family members.
 
2018-03-02 08:11:56 AM  
I bet lotteries love stories like this.  "See, you can beat us.  Just use that system your buddy has.  If it doesn't work this week, keep buying tickets.  It's bound to work eventually."
 
2018-03-02 08:15:38 AM  
I assume the Huffington Post pays its writers by the word?
 
2018-03-02 08:22:13 AM  

Kevin72: What bothered me somewhat was all the work, but they never enjoyed it as in hardly ever spending their winnings......And yet I can see how much they enjoyed the process of husband and wife teamwork and partnership. It was total gruntwork of driving to Massachusetts, buying and printing the tickets, sorting them, ten hours plus a day. In a way, it was good that it ended for them that it ended in 2012 so that they could enjoy their retirement and not be addicted and working themselves to death.


If you like doing it, it's not really work.
 
2018-03-02 08:29:37 AM  
I bought a $5 ticket and won $3.

I beat the lottery, I grossed $3!
 
2018-03-02 08:31:32 AM  
Am I correct in assuming neither he nor the MIT folks ever got all 6 numbers to win the jackpot?  Millions of tickets and not 1 jackpot?
 
2018-03-02 09:37:36 AM  

bark_atda_moon: Am I correct in assuming neither he nor the MIT folks ever got all 6 numbers to win the jackpot?  Millions of tickets and not 1 jackpot?


yes but the odds are the same each time since they are independent events.  they only increased their chances in a given week by buying a lot of tickets. each ticket had a 1/9,366,819 chance of winning so still somewhat low even when buying hundreds of thousands of tickets each week.
 
2018-03-02 10:29:48 AM  
tl;dr
 
2018-03-02 10:56:50 AM  
Interesting read. No harm done to other players but the state's take must have become disproportionately small on roll down weeks but they were aware and not bothered by it, arguably complicit.
 
2018-03-02 12:02:51 PM  
How to beat the lottery.

step 1: Have $700,000 to spend on lottery tickets
step 2: ???
step 3: PROFIT!

I seem to recall another article about someone doing this a while back. This isn't exactly cracking the enigma code. Even TFA says it's just doing some sixth grade math with the odds.
 
2018-03-02 01:00:53 PM  
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2018-03-02 01:12:37 PM  
"Estes and finally give her an interview, telling her what he knew about the real manipulations in the game-how the MIT group had placed its thumb on the scales in 2010 by forcing the roll-downs "

Full of shiat guy is full of shiat.  How were the MIT guys 'manipulating' the game?   Nothing he, or anyone else, couldn't have done.    When he figured out the odds, and the obvious way to take advantage of those odds, that was missed by nearly everyone else who bought tickets because the states were selling the games as 'random' odds, he was just being 'clever'.   When someone else out-clevered him....'OMG!  CHEATERS!"

Fark this guy and the horse he rode in on.
 
2018-03-02 01:13:46 PM  
Yeah, I suspect that the lotteries that used the roll down system didn't exactly do their math and realize that if not one picked the "winning" number from a $2 million jackpot, then they would increase the payout of partial matches dramatically put the odds in the favor of the people that could afford to buy hundreds of thousands of tickets.

It's still a lot of work, though. The tickets all had to be printed and then after the drawing the couple sat in a hotel room and spent a full week, 10 hours a day just sorting through the slips. They even saved all the losing tickets to prove to the sate and the IRS that they played the game legally (more or less, they did break the law by operating the lottery machines themselves, and doing it outside of business hours, but all that resulted in was the state terminating the licenses to sell lottery tickets of the stores that let them do it).
 
2018-03-02 01:34:22 PM  

darklingscribe: t's still a lot of work, though. The tickets all had to be printed and then after the drawing the couple sat in a hotel room and spent a full week, 10 hours a day just sorting through the slips.


The actual, physical work involved was of the menial variety.  Do you know of any other menial work that would net you $7.5 million in 9 years?

BTW, there are other ways to game the lottery.
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/​2​014/12/report_njs_most_frequent_lotter​y_winners_are_lottery_retailers_family​_members.html
 
2018-03-02 03:00:56 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: tl;dr


There was a trick where for certain lotteries in certain situations, you could expect to win more then you lost, but...

1. To win reliability you had to play so many tickets it required breaking the rules on ticket sales, and

2. They changed the rules. It doesn't work anymore.
 
2018-03-02 03:42:52 PM  

mcmnky: RoomFullOfMonkeys: tl;dr

There was a trick where for certain lotteries in certain situations, you could expect to win more then you lost, but...

1. To win reliability you had to play so many tickets it required breaking the rules on ticket sales, and

2. They changed the rules. It doesn't work anymore.


3. The odds of winning some lotto is 1:1,000,000.  The jackpot is $2,000,000.  I buy every combination for $1,000,000, hope no one else wins, and net $1,000,000.  I "figured out how to legally beat the lottery ".
 
2018-03-02 03:52:31 PM  

Johnson: oblig:
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2018-03-02 04:16:50 PM  

donutsauce: mcmnky: RoomFullOfMonkeys: tl;dr

There was a trick where for certain lotteries in certain situations, you could expect to win more then you lost, but...

1. To win reliability you had to play so many tickets it required breaking the rules on ticket sales, and

2. They changed the rules. It doesn't work anymore.

3. The odds of winning some lotto is 1:1,000,000.  The jackpot is $2,000,000.  I buy every combination for $1,000,000, hope no one else wins, and net $1,000,000.  I "figured out how to legally beat the lottery ".


Possible numbers went up to 42 (IIRC).  So in this case, if numbers can't be repeated, odds are 1:5,245,786.  If numbers can be repeated, that extends to 1:10,737,573.
 
2018-03-02 04:43:09 PM  
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I thought we figured this out years ago
 
2018-03-02 04:51:43 PM  

Gorf the Magnificent: I assume the Huffington Post pays its writers by the word?


God forbid the internet spew out some articles with a bit of color and flesh out a story now and then. If this exceeded your character limit go back to twitter.
 
2018-03-02 06:09:00 PM  

Fissile: darklingscribe: t's still a lot of work, though. The tickets all had to be printed and then after the drawing the couple sat in a hotel room and spent a full week, 10 hours a day just sorting through the slips.

The actual, physical work involved was of the menial variety.  Do you know of any other menial work that would net you $7.5 million in 9 years?

BTW, there are other ways to game the lottery.
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2​014/12/report_njs_most_frequent_lotter​y_winners_are_lottery_retailers_family​_members.html


As someone that worked in a liquor store with scratchers, there's a reason the employees and family members win more often.

I'll not give away my secrets, but I've won some $10 - $50 winners once or twice.
 
2018-03-02 07:19:31 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Gorf the Magnificent: I assume the Huffington Post pays its writers by the word?

God forbid the internet spew out some articles with a bit of color and flesh out a story now and then. If this exceeded your character limit go back to twitter.


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2018-03-02 08:30:22 PM  
You know how fark has the option to post a youtube video starting at a certain time in the video?  We need that option for articles.  Had to do a whole lot of skimming to get to the subject matter.
 
2018-03-02 10:53:02 PM  

Gorf the Magnificent: I assume the Huffington Post pays its writers by the word?


That was a goddamn doozy.
 
2018-03-03 03:37:04 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: As someone that worked in a liquor store with scratchers, there's a reason the employees and family members win more often.

I'll not give away my secrets, but I've won some $10 - $50 winners once or twice.


In my scratch off selling days I had customers looking for specific runs of specific games because they were after games with few unclaimed top prizes that were scheduled to end soon. This isn't secret info or anything, it's on the NY Lottery website for the public to see.
 
2018-03-03 08:55:36 AM  

Marksrevenge: HST's Dead Carcass: As someone that worked in a liquor store with scratchers, there's a reason the employees and family members win more often.

I'll not give away my secrets, but I've won some $10 - $50 winners once or twice.

In my scratch off selling days I had customers looking for specific runs of specific games because they were after games with few unclaimed top prizes that were scheduled to end soon. This isn't secret info or anything, it's on the NY Lottery website for the public to see.


Yep, that was totally my secret, couldn't have been anything else at all, you totally nailed it and I have nothing more to say. Yep, you're totally onto my super duper secret.
 
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