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2018-03-01 05:11:53 PM  
I like Saga.
 
2018-03-01 05:59:47 PM  
BOOKS OF MAGIC

A bespectacled boy magician from England with an owl familiar? How original!*

*yes, I know, the comparisons have been shrugged off by all involved

Reminds me though, I want to read this one again

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2018-03-01 06:59:10 PM  

BalugaJoe: I like Saga.


I was more of a Triumph fan
 
2018-03-01 07:06:11 PM  
 
2018-03-01 07:14:18 PM  

fusillade762: BOOKS OF MAGIC

A bespectacled boy magician from England with an owl familiar? How original!*

*yes, I know, the comparisons have been shrugged off by all involved


If you enjoyed Books of Magic (and it's potential similarities to HP), check out The Unwritten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unw​r​itten
 
2018-03-01 07:19:52 PM  
Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one
 
2018-03-01 07:26:29 PM  

fusillade762: BOOKS OF MAGIC

A bespectacled boy magician from England with an owl familiar? How original!*

*yes, I know, the comparisons have been shrugged off by all involved

Reminds me though, I want to read this one again

[img.fark.net image 524x810]


Also....

The Books of Magic: published 1990
Harry Potter & The Philosopher's Stone: published 1997

So, Tim Hunter wins
 
2018-03-01 07:46:10 PM  
I'm sorry, but whenever hear The Dreaming, I can't help but think of WoD's Changeling system
 
2018-03-01 08:21:18 PM  

texdent: I'm sorry, but whenever hear The Dreaming, I can't help but think of WoD's Changeling system


Great minds think alike.
 
2018-03-01 08:52:19 PM  
Someone returned the truth tortoise?
 
2018-03-01 09:29:09 PM  

riot_kid: Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one


It was doing some things that were really groundbreaking for comics at the time, so it really took until the second trade A Doll's House before Gaiman really figured ou properly what the comic was and what it's voice would be. It just didn't emerge fully formed from the creative womb.

That is one big reason why The Sound of Her Wings is in both the first and second trades, so you can skip the unpolished beginning and go straight to the good stuff.
 
2018-03-01 09:42:46 PM  
I liked the original Dream, Morpheus. Don't like the new albino kid.
 
2018-03-01 10:24:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: riot_kid: Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one

It was doing some things that were really groundbreaking for comics at the time, so it really took until the second trade A Doll's House before Gaiman really figured ou properly what the comic was and what it's voice would be. It just didn't emerge fully formed from the creative womb.

That is one big reason why The Sound of Her Wings is in both the first and second trades, so you can skip the unpolished beginning and go straight to the good stuff.


I'll give it another try eventually.  Gaiman isn't a bad storyteller, I just never got on his hype train.  At least Gaiman didn't create the Millar-verse.

/all of those Brit wave dudes have their moments of wankery
//maybe not Warren Ellis, but I couldn't tell you because I haven't read enough of his stuff
///third slashy busy writing a comic series with expies of all your favorite characters but with more ultraviolence
 
2018-03-01 10:58:25 PM  

riot_kid: Warren Ellis


Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well
 
2018-03-01 11:01:20 PM  
I am a big fan of "The Sandman". The original series. The "Death" books did nothing for me, and neither did the later "Sandman" comics. I liked the first "Books of Magic" TPB. I had high hopes for the "Lucifer" series (that the TV show is VERY loosely based on), but it went to crap pretty quickly, and then just kept going and going.  But that wasn't written by Gaiman.

Anyway, this new series sounds like more re-treading. So who cares.

I've said it before, but Gaiman used up all of his good ideas on "The Sandman". He keeps revisiting the same themes, and doing a poor job of it.
 
2018-03-01 11:25:28 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: riot_kid: Warren Ellis

Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well


Ellis' biggest issue is his tendacy to start some interesting comics like Desolation Jones and Newuniversal, then get bored with it and wander off to do something else and leave the project on an indefinite hiatus.
 
2018-03-01 11:38:30 PM  

Mad_Radhu: KingBiefWhistle: riot_kid: Warren Ellis

Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well

Ellis' biggest issue is his tendacy to start some interesting comics like Desolation Jones and Newuniversal, then get bored with it and wander off to do something else and leave the project on an indefinite hiatus.


Considering Planetary is 27 issues and took a little over 11 years to complete (with most of that time going to the last, what, 4-6 comics?), you're absolutely right. I'm just glad he actually finished it. Hell, he started production Castlevania some time in like 20075-7 or so. We just got the first bit of it last year.
 
2018-03-02 12:06:10 AM  

riot_kid: Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one


Which trade did you read? The first one to be released was the second storyline, "The Dollhouse"

Later they printed the whole series, so the first book became Preludes and Nocturnes Gaiman admits his first couple of issues were rough.  The first chapter was a tribute to EC horror comics, the second was a tribute to the DC horror books of the 60s and 70s. The third chapter was his riff on what would become the Vertigo horror books like Alan Moore, the fourth was modern horror  and the fifth attempt was to do a Superhero and Sandman story.  It wasn't until six issue That Gaiman found his voice and realized Sandman was going to be around a long time.

The Dollhouse is a really great story, and if that doesn't do it for you, then 'tis a pity.


But the Books of Magic and Timothy Hunter came 7 years before Harry Potter. Gaiman has been generous in dismissing the similarities.  But since Rowling's based most of Harry on her friend, it may be believed.
 
2018-03-02 12:09:20 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: riot_kid: Warren Ellis

Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well


Also:

covernk.comView Full Size
 
2018-03-02 12:10:51 AM  

KingBiefWhistle: Mad_Radhu: KingBiefWhistle: riot_kid: Warren Ellis

Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well

Ellis' biggest issue is his tendacy to start some interesting comics like Desolation Jones and Newuniversal, then get bored with it and wander off to do something else and leave the project on an indefinite hiatus.

Considering Planetary is 27 issues and took a little over 11 years to complete (with most of that time going to the last, what, 4-6 comics?), you're absolutely right. I'm just glad he actually finished it. Hell, he started production Castlevania some time in like 20075-7 or so. We just got the first bit of it last year.


Part of the reason it took so long was because he was trying to make it perfect and Cassidy really worked his ass off on the art.
 
2018-03-02 12:34:33 AM  

realmolo: I am a big fan of "The Sandman". The original series. The "Death" books did nothing for me, and neither did the later "Sandman" comics. I liked the first "Books of Magic" TPB. I had high hopes for the "Lucifer" series (that the TV show is VERY loosely based on), but it went to crap pretty quickly, and then just kept going and going. But that wasn't written by Gaiman.

Anyway, this new series sounds like more re-treading. So who cares.

I've said it before, but Gaiman used up all of his good ideas on "The Sandman". He keeps revisiting the same themes, and doing a poor job of it.


Outside of the Politics tab, I don't think I have ever seen someone be more wrong on Fark.

Lucifer was superior to everything Gaiman has ever written, my only regret was how long I put off reading it because of how it was advertised as "from the pages of Sandman".
 
2018-03-02 03:02:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: riot_kid: Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one

It was doing some things that were really groundbreaking for comics at the time, so it really took until the second trade A Doll's House before Gaiman really figured ou properly what the comic was and what it's voice would be. It just didn't emerge fully formed from the creative womb.

That is one big reason why The Sound of Her Wings is in both the first and second trades, so you can skip the unpolished beginning and go straight to the good stuff.


The first Sandman I read was Season of Mists. I was hooked instantly.

Still wish I hadn't loaned my leatherbound version of that to a girl I had a crush on. Never got it back.
 
2018-03-02 05:23:44 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: KingBiefWhistle: riot_kid: Warren Ellis

Ellis has his issues but he also gave us Planetary, so he pretty much gets a pass forever. He's also almost single-handedly resurrected Castlevania, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

/John Cassaday gets a pass as well

Also:

[covernk.com image 400x621]


I always forget he did that.
 
2018-03-02 03:18:11 PM  

Greymalkin: realmolo: I am a big fan of "The Sandman". The original series. The "Death" books did nothing for me, and neither did the later "Sandman" comics. I liked the first "Books of Magic" TPB. I had high hopes for the "Lucifer" series (that the TV show is VERY loosely based on), but it went to crap pretty quickly, and then just kept going and going. But that wasn't written by Gaiman.

Anyway, this new series sounds like more re-treading. So who cares.

I've said it before, but Gaiman used up all of his good ideas on "The Sandman". He keeps revisiting the same themes, and doing a poor job of it.

Outside of the Politics tab, I don't think I have ever seen someone be more wrong on Fark.

Lucifer was superior to everything Gaiman has ever written, my only regret was how long I put off reading it because of how it was advertised as "from the pages of Sandman".


It's a good book, but sadly, I have only so much room.
 
2018-03-02 08:50:33 PM  

Greymalkin: Lucifer was superior to everything Gaiman has ever written, my only regret was how long I put off reading it because of how it was advertised as "from the pages of Sandman".


The ending of Lucifer was so perfect, I can't believe Gaiman is going to ruin it by bringing Lucifer back in the new mini-series.

I really didn't need any more Sandman, maybe Gaiman's accountant does, but this whole thing has the vibe of digging up the grave of an long dead lover and I don't think I need to see any of it.
 
2018-03-02 09:10:23 PM  

fusillade762: Mad_Radhu: riot_kid: Not to be mean, but after reading the first Sandman trade paperback I thought Gaiman was a purveyor of wankery dankery doo.

/I know it's supposed to get better but they had six issues to entertain me and failed
//his novels are ok
///Pratchett gets most of the credit for his best one

It was doing some things that were really groundbreaking for comics at the time, so it really took until the second trade A Doll's House before Gaiman really figured ou properly what the comic was and what it's voice would be. It just didn't emerge fully formed from the creative womb.

That is one big reason why The Sound of Her Wings is in both the first and second trades, so you can skip the unpolished beginning and go straight to the good stuff.

The first Sandman I read was Season of Mists. I was hooked instantly.

Still wish I hadn't loaned my leatherbound version of that to a girl I had a crush on. Never got it back.


That was actually the first one I read as well, and it had the same effect on me.
 
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