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2018-03-01 03:21:44 PM  
Bless your heart, Cleveland Browns.  I'll pray for you.
 
2018-03-01 03:32:02 PM  
If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.
 
2018-03-01 04:07:03 PM  

Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.


Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]
 
2018-03-01 04:09:05 PM  

null: Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.

Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]


That's because like last time, they will pay their scouts well, do lots of hard work and evaluations. Have interviews, review backgrounds, talk to college coaches.

Then draft someone cause the owner talked to a homeless guy.

/christ that story isn't made up
//how do the Browns have any fans
 
2018-03-01 04:15:05 PM  

Gubbo: null: Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.

Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]

That's because like last time, they will pay their scouts well, do lots of hard work and evaluations. Have interviews, review backgrounds, talk to college coaches.

Then draft someone cause the owner talked to a homeless guy.

/christ that story isn't made up
//how do the Browns have any fans


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2018-03-01 04:17:04 PM  

null: Gubbo: null: Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.

Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]

That's because like last time, they will pay their scouts well, do lots of hard work and evaluations. Have interviews, review backgrounds, talk to college coaches.

Then draft someone cause the owner talked to a homeless guy.

/christ that story isn't made up
//how do the Browns have any fans

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/9G6xu-J_​Dmc]

We want to see what new and innovative ways they'll fail next.


Do you ever worry that some day they'll run out of new ways?
 
2018-03-01 04:24:07 PM  

Gubbo: null: Gubbo: null: Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.

Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]

That's because like last time, they will pay their scouts well, do lots of hard work and evaluations. Have interviews, review backgrounds, talk to college coaches.

Then draft someone cause the owner talked to a homeless guy.

/christ that story isn't made up
//how do the Browns have any fans

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/9G6xu-J_​Dmc]

We want to see what new and innovative ways they'll fail next.

Do you ever worry that some day they'll run out of new ways?


Never.
 
2018-03-01 04:42:39 PM  

null: Gubbo: null: Gubbo: If Cleveland trade back, I would expect every QB taken between the #1 pick and their eventual pick to be a Rookie of the Year candidate.

I expect the QB they eventually pick to maybe watch Rookie of the Year at some point.

Yeah but if they took a QB, they would be doomed.

[Me_marching_in_parade.gif]

That's because like last time, they will pay their scouts well, do lots of hard work and evaluations. Have interviews, review backgrounds, talk to college coaches.

Then draft someone cause the owner talked to a homeless guy.

/christ that story isn't made up
//how do the Browns have any fans

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/9G6xu-J_​Dmc]

We want to see what new and innovative ways they'll fail next.


Paul Giamatti will forever be known as pig vomit to me
 
2018-03-01 04:43:47 PM  
The Cleveland Browns are pulling a page from the Cleveland Cavaliers during the Ted Stephien era when he gave the #1 pick to the farking LA Lakers, who won the NBA Finals. The Lakers picked James Worthy. The Cavaliers got a flaming bag of shiat.
 
2018-03-01 04:50:32 PM  
There are mascots that tackle better than the Browns.

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2018-03-01 05:00:29 PM  
This news means that there are lower draft picks out there worrying that they won't be able to buy the GI-Joe with the kung-fu grip, they're panicking, panicking I tell you
 
2018-03-01 05:01:32 PM  
Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.
 
2018-03-01 05:06:13 PM  
Actually..... all the QB's they pass on (Bridgewater, Wentz, and Watson) get season ending injuries.
A QB should HOPE Cleveland picks them.
 
2018-03-01 05:16:49 PM  
How to tell nobody, including subby, (unless they were just looking for clickbait material) read the article.

He's open to hearing offers, not that he's "willing to trade." In other words, he's open to doing the bare minimum requirements of his job.

If you don't at least field offers for your number 1 pick, you're not qualified to be a GM.
 
2018-03-01 05:21:02 PM  
Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.
 
2018-03-01 05:22:19 PM  

GarbageDay: How to tell nobody, including subby, (unless they were just looking for clickbait material) read the article.

He's open to hearing offers, not that he's "willing to trade." In other words, he's open to doing the bare minimum requirements of his job.

If you don't at least field offers for your number 1 pick, you're not qualified to be a GM.


Clue #1: This is Fark
 
2018-03-01 05:24:35 PM  

T.rex: Actually..... all the QB's they pass on (Bridgewater, Wentz, and Watson) get season ending injuries.
A QB should HOPE Cleveland picks them.


I know you weren't serious. But would you rather have any of QBs coming back to your team in September, or be the Browns.

/maybe I'd rather be the Browns than rely on Bridgewater, but nobody would rely on Bridgewater without a good backup plan
//except maybe the Browns
 
2018-03-01 05:32:29 PM  

v2micca: Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.


Funny thing, you just never know, the Rams traded the pick for RGIII for a shiatload of picks (who went to Cleveland eventually to Clevelanded), got a few good guys in the deal, then later traded away a shiatload of picks for a #1 and got what appears to be a decent QB.

Point being, you just never know what the right move is till much later, both angles CAN work
 
2018-03-01 05:35:41 PM  

martissimo: v2micca: Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.

Funny thing, you just never know, the Rams traded the pick for RGIII for a shiatload of picks (who went to Cleveland eventually to Clevelanded), got a few good guys in the deal, then later traded away a shiatload of picks for a #1 and got what appears to be a decent QB.

Point being, you just never know what the right move is till much later, both angles CAN work


I don't want to badmouth the RGIII pick. For a while he genuinely looked like he could be special. Then he had a small knee injury and should have been shut down. Instead he was sent into the playoffs and shredded his knee and was never the same again.

Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.
 
2018-03-01 05:40:04 PM  
Gubbo:
Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.

It was that Adams doctor who permitted it.    He was initially against it, but then was obviously pressured by the team, and changed his stance.   You can blame the team, but i blame the doctor was selling out.   Why's he even there, if he's gonna not invoke his own opinion?
 
2018-03-01 05:40:11 PM  
Gubbo: Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.

That would be Shanahan, I remember that game so well, when they put him back in I told my wife (who was just starting to become a football fan), this is stupid the kid could get wrecked doing this.

Sitting on my couch, not even a Skins fan, I was like what kind of moron would do this...minutes later, YUP
 
2018-03-01 05:40:16 PM  
It's not like the Browns have any idea what to do with it.
 
2018-03-01 05:41:58 PM  

T.rex: Gubbo:
Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.

It was that Adams doctor who permitted it.    He was initially against it, but then was obviously pressured by the team, and changed his stance.   You can blame the team, but i blame the doctor was selling out.   Why's he even there, if he's gonna not invoke his own opinion?


It was the fact that he got a bit hurt during the game and got pulled, but then they put him back in... why would you do that
 
2018-03-01 05:42:20 PM  

brizzle365: Paul Giamatti will forever be known as pig vomit to me


Pig Vomit and the man who hates Merlot

Funny, actually, since he's basically fantastic in everything and has an Emmy, Golden Globe, and SAG award for John Adams, but no one ever talks about that.
 
2018-03-01 05:43:01 PM  

Gubbo: martissimo: v2micca: Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.

Funny thing, you just never know, the Rams traded the pick for RGIII for a shiatload of picks (who went to Cleveland eventually to Clevelanded), got a few good guys in the deal, then later traded away a shiatload of picks for a #1 and got what appears to be a decent QB.

Point being, you just never know what the right move is till much later, both angles CAN work

I don't want to badmouth the RGIII pick. For a while he genuinely looked like he could be special. Then he had a small knee injury and should have been shut down. Instead he was sent into the playoffs and shredded his knee and was never the same again.

Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.


If you won't badmouth RGIII, I will.  He never put forth the effort to learn an NFL offense, instead choosing to lean on his athleticism to carry him.  His entire Rookie year was him running his College offense, which in the NFL was going to inevitably lead to his injuries.  Once that athleticism was gone, he could not elevate other parts of his game to compensate.  He resisted all coaching attempts to expand his skill-set and improve his play relying on his relationship with the Owner to ensure he continued starting long after he should have been benched.
 
2018-03-01 05:43:39 PM  
Anyways..

The general thinking is the Browns will keep the pick and focus on the top quarterbacks: Southern California's Sam Darnold, UCLA's Josh Rosen, Wyoming's Josh Allen and Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield.

I would trade down, too.
 
2018-03-01 05:50:27 PM  

Gubbo: Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.


That's what the Nationals thought, along with "we'll be there next year if this year doesn't work out", and they were promptly bounced out of the playoffs without their healthy ace.  Guess who still hasn't made it deep in the playoffs since(and who has only cracked 200 innings once)?  Gotta take the chances when you have them.  There's no guarantees in professional sports
 
2018-03-01 06:10:52 PM  

Incog_Neeto: It's not like the Browns have any idea what to do with it.


I think they'll pick Saquon Barkley.
 
2018-03-01 06:19:46 PM  

bhcompy: Gubbo: Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.

That's what the Nationals thought, along with "we'll be there next year if this year doesn't work out", and they were promptly bounced out of the playoffs without their healthy ace.  Guess who still hasn't made it deep in the playoffs since(and who has only cracked 200 innings once)?  Gotta take the chances when you have them.  There's no guarantees in professional sports


The difference is that RG3 was actually injured and shouldn't have been playing .
 
2018-03-01 06:30:33 PM  

v2micca: Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.


Maybe, but let's be real here. After 1 win in 2 seasons the fans have to be getting fed up with this. There are quarterbacks that, while not a sure thing, are NFL ready. They traded out last year and the fans got to see the quarterbacks they passed on do great things. They can't do that again. Even if they get it wrong, which we all have every reason to expect, they have to take a chance on Darnold or Rosen. If they don't and those guys go on to do great things the fans are going to hang Haslam outside his luxury box by the end of next season.
 
2018-03-01 06:46:10 PM  

bhcompy: brizzle365: Paul Giamatti will forever be known as pig vomit to me

Pig Vomit and the man who hates Merlot

Funny, actually, since he's basically fantastic in everything and has an Emmy, Golden Globe, and SAG award for John Adams, but no one ever talks about that.


That right there. So, so amazing in it. He captures Adams's noted temper, intellect, vanity, and humor so brilliantly. I've seen the other stuff, but to me he's always John Adams.

/"Rejoice evermore! ... I wish that had always been in my heart and on my tongue."
 
2018-03-01 06:51:25 PM  

Gubbo: bhcompy: Gubbo: Heap all the blame on whoever thought that maybe winning a playoff game was worth the long term health of a #1 pick.

That's what the Nationals thought, along with "we'll be there next year if this year doesn't work out", and they were promptly bounced out of the playoffs without their healthy ace. Guess who still hasn't made it deep in the playoffs since(and who has only cracked 200 innings once)? Gotta take the chances when you have them. There's no guarantees in professional sports

The difference is that RG3 was actually injured and shouldn't have been playing .


TO had a broken leg stuck together with screws and played out of his mind during the Super Bowl.  Shouldn't have been playing according to team doctors, but he did, because you never know when another chance is going to come, and TO never got another chance.  Ultimately, you play to win, and if the player is game, then why not?  RG3's problems didn't come from his injury, it came from his inability to evolve to the NFL game(whether that falls on him, the coaches, or the ownership is another story).
 
2018-03-01 07:09:53 PM  

meera's frog spear: Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.


Doh, Duh, and Derp
 
2018-03-01 07:16:42 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: v2micca: Yeah, I'm normally onboard with the whole God Hates Cleveland train of thought.  But, I'm not seeing anything crazy here from the Cleveland GM.  There is no consensus Number 1 pick in the draft this year and a very strong sentiment that any of the top 3 QBs could end up going number 1.  If the Browns get an offer for the pick that allows them to stay in the Top 4 while adding another first rounder, I don't think it is a bad Idea to take the deal.  At any rate, all he is saying is that he is willing to listen to offers, which is what a good GM should be doing.

Maybe, but let's be real here. After 1 win in 2 seasons the fans have to be getting fed up with this. There are quarterbacks that, while not a sure thing, are NFL ready. They traded out last year and the fans got to see the quarterbacks they passed on do great things. They can't do that again. Even if they get it wrong, which we all have every reason to expect, they have to take a chance on Darnold or Rosen. If they don't and those guys go on to do great things the fans are going to hang Haslam outside his luxury box by the end of next season.


Darnold, and especially Rosen, have bust written all over them. I would take Mayfield before either of them.
 
2018-03-01 07:29:39 PM  

AquaTatanka: meera's frog spear: Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.

Doh, Duh, and Derp


I wish I could be one of the cool kids and take cheap shots at a team while they're down (but rebuilding).
 
2018-03-01 07:46:41 PM  

meera's frog spear: Incog_Neeto: It's not like the Browns have any idea what to do with it.

I think they'll pick Saquon Barkley.


It's the better pick at #1 than any of the QBs.
 
2018-03-01 08:41:51 PM  

kukukupo: meera's frog spear: Incog_Neeto: It's not like the Browns have any idea what to do with it.

I think they'll pick Saquon Barkley.

It's the better pick at #1 than any of the QBs.


Maybe, but they have to come out of the draft with the best QB.
 
2018-03-01 09:21:24 PM  

meera's frog spear: Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.


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2018-03-01 09:27:41 PM  
As long as more teams line up to get a crack at a QB ahead of the Bears, I am fine with it. It pushes better non-QBs down in the draft.
 
2018-03-01 09:36:19 PM  

malaktaus: meera's frog spear: Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.

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I say forget about drafting a QB, spend all your draft picks on the best players available, then work with and develop Deshone Kizer. You're not going to the Superbowl this season, you're trying to build a good team. If Kizer does not progress and come into his own in his sophomore season at least half as well as Jared Goff did, then draft a quarterback next season. Browns, if you are listening I am available for further consultation, call me.
 
2018-03-01 10:05:47 PM  
The browns can take a non-QB at 1 and STILL be guaranteed one of the top 3 QBs in the draft.  I'm guessing that's what they do, since I'm not sure they really know who is best.
 
2018-03-02 02:05:28 AM  

meera's frog spear: malaktaus: meera's frog spear: Mutherfarker playing 3D chess.

[sportschump.net image 599x337]

I say forget about drafting a QB, spend all your draft picks on the best players available, then work with and develop Deshone Kizer. You're not going to the Superbowl this season, you're trying to build a good team. If Kizer does not progress and come into his own in his sophomore season at least half as well as Jared Goff did, then draft a quarterback next season. Browns, if you are listening I am available for further consultation, call me.


Yep.  Use the #1 pick on either a terrific left tackle or pass rusher.  If Kizer improves this year they can build around him.  If he doesn't improve, the Browns will stink and thus will have a top-3 pick in 2019 and can draft a QB of the future then.
 
2018-03-02 02:29:03 AM  
They should call the Cowboys and see if Herschel Walker is available...

/not bitter, not bitter at all
//No third slashie, that was traded away as well...
 
2018-03-02 04:56:57 AM  
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2018-03-02 09:03:56 AM  

Mongo No.5: The browns can take a non-QB at 1 and STILL be guaranteed one of the top 3 QBs in the draft.  I'm guessing that's what they do, since I'm not sure they really know who is best.


If they do that, they are letting someone else get first, and maybe second, shot at the QB they really want.

The Browns need to be more active than that. They need to identify the QB they want, and get him.

/granted, they will choose the wrong one, but at least this way the'd be proactive.
 
2018-03-02 09:10:42 AM  

Gubbo: Mongo No.5: The browns can take a non-QB at 1 and STILL be guaranteed one of the top 3 QBs in the draft.  I'm guessing that's what they do, since I'm not sure they really know who is best.

If they do that, they are letting someone else get first, and maybe second, shot at the QB they really want.

The Browns need to be more active than that. They need to identify the QB they want, and get him.

/granted, they will choose the wrong one, but at least this way the'd be proactive.


They don't KNOW who they want.  And to be fair, even when they do want a guy, it ends up being the wrong guy.  In this case, it's better for them to just let others make the decision for them.
 
2018-03-02 09:14:57 AM  

Mongo No.5: Gubbo: Mongo No.5: The browns can take a non-QB at 1 and STILL be guaranteed one of the top 3 QBs in the draft.  I'm guessing that's what they do, since I'm not sure they really know who is best.

If they do that, they are letting someone else get first, and maybe second, shot at the QB they really want.

The Browns need to be more active than that. They need to identify the QB they want, and get him.

/granted, they will choose the wrong one, but at least this way the'd be proactive.

They don't KNOW who they want.  And to be fair, even when they do want a guy, it ends up being the wrong guy.  In this case, it's better for them to just let others make the decision for them.


I know we're joking that the Browns are screwed either way, but lets face it, they're screwed either way.
 
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