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(USA Today)   Good news and bad news; First, the good- the new 5G phones are coming Now, the bad- not until next year, and they're gonna be a mite spendy   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2018-03-01 02:24:59 PM  
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OG phones.
 
2018-03-01 03:04:02 PM  
FTFA:

5G "has the potential to usher in the fourth industrial revolution - it's that massive," said Verizon chief network officer Nicola Palmer.

Now I can pay $150 a month to stream 4K porn to the bathroom stall at work.
 
2018-03-01 03:54:22 PM  
So, what are the specs? Don't feed me a bunch of marketing hype, tell me the technical facts.
 
2018-03-01 04:06:09 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: So, what are the specs? Don't feed me a bunch of marketing hype, tell me the technical facts.


Well... If you knew those then you'd know they are lying.
 
2018-03-01 04:21:44 PM  
but is it the actual 5G spec, or will it be properly implemented 4G in the disguise of 5G
 
2018-03-01 04:23:03 PM  
Mark me down as solidly in the "not impressed; do not care" column.
 
2018-03-01 04:34:01 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Mark me down as solidly in the "not impressed; do not care" column.


Same here.  I don't spend endless hours on my smartphone, so I've never bought one new.  Every one I've had was at least a couple versions old, bought used from Amazon or Woot.  Suits me just fine.

/just upgraded to a Galaxy S5 in December
//no, I don't care that many would consider that a downgrade
 
2018-03-01 04:35:09 PM  
Don't want or need a 5G phone.

5G wireless broadband, OTOH. Farking NBN availability here keeps getting pushed back. First it was August 2017, then July 2019, now it's October 2019. Two years to build a couple of towers?

Still, when the NIMBYs and "OMG Radiation" nuts get their knickers in a twist and flood the planning committees with "no way, get farked, fark off", I'm not surprised. Hint: fibre optic to your house is NOT economically viable in low-density areas, desireable as it is. You wanna pay $x000/km for a fibre-optic conduit, go for it. you're not getting my tax dollars for it.

3G around here gets me between 2 and 4 MBits/second. 4G when I can get it gets me up to 45 MBits/second. I'd be happy with a 4G repeater in the district. What I currently pay for ADSL2+ can go towards 4G data. If NBN don't pull their fingers out and get the Fibre-to-the-node/fibre-to-the-kerb/fi​xed wireless rolled out pronto, people *will* start migrating to 4G/5G wireless BB, and companies here are already offering 4G plans for high, but not too high prices. Wait 'til 5G starts rolling out and watch the flood of people fed up with waiting for NBN say "fark it, imma go 5g"

/ here endeth the rant
 
2018-03-01 04:37:04 PM  
I don't care. I can stream 4k videos on my 4G line.

But I guess, we'll run out of bandwidth eventually, forcing 5G on us.
 
2018-03-01 04:45:10 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: PlaidJaguar: Mark me down as solidly in the "not impressed; do not care" column.

Same here.  I don't spend endless hours on my smartphone, so I've never bought one new.  Every one I've had was at least a couple versions old, bought used from Amazon or Woot.  Suits me just fine.

/just upgraded to a Galaxy S5 in December
//no, I don't care that many would consider that a downgrade


I buy a cellphone and use it until it dies or breaks.  Then I buy a new one - and I always buy the phone directly; none of that lease or payment plan garbage.  I'll be rocking my 950XL for as long as it holds out (and I won't be taking it out of it's toughcase at any point, so hopefully that'll be quite a while) and I guess when it dies I'll have to go back to (ugh) android, and I'll probably pick up some form of Samsung at that point.

I have difficulty finding credulous some of the stuff I hear about people's attachment to their phones.  I was listening to NPR for a few minutes this afternoon while driving between job sites, and they were getting ready for an interview with someone who has written a book about "how to break up with your phone" or somesuch nonsense, to help people who are addicted to their cellphones.

What the crap even is that?

It's a phone.  I use it to make and receive calls and text messages.  I check it when it makes the noise telling me one of those things is incoming, and not otherwise.  (I don't need to look at my phone to check the time because I wear a watch).  And yeah, I'm glad it's a cell phone - the GPS function can be handy when I'm driving somewhere new, and it's nice being able to look something up if I need to while I'm on the go, but it's not like it's constantly capturing my attention.

Maybe it's different for me than for some because I don't do social media - I have a Facebook and a twitter account, but I don't use either of them.  I suppose some Facebook addicts get their fix via their smartphone, but that's really more a Facebook / social media addiction than a smartphone addiction.
 
2018-03-01 04:46:29 PM  

PlaidJaguar: And yeah, I'm glad it's a cell smart phone - the GPS....


FTFM
 
2018-03-01 04:47:50 PM  
Kind of irrelevant if data caps are still the norm where you live.  My Galaxy S8+ can already chew through a monthly limit in a few minutes at top speed.
 
2018-03-01 04:47:59 PM  
First off, are we using the ITU definition of 5G or the definition used by the marketing departments of the carriers?  Remember when AT&T hyped HSPA+ as 4G when the ITU said it was only 3G?

Ketchuponsteak: I don't care. I can stream 4k videos on my 4G line.  But I guess, we'll run out of bandwidth eventually, forcing 5G on us.


One of the benefits of 5G for low-usage customers is that your cellular radio can transmit data in a shorter duration so that it can go back to sleep faster, resulting in less draw on your battery.  So there is a benefit.
 
2018-03-01 05:02:20 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: So, what are the specs? Don't feed me a bunch of marketing hype, tell me the technical facts.


Much of what I've seen says: shorter range than anticipated, more towers needed, more power requirements, much higher cost to roll out.
 
2018-03-01 05:22:31 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: PlaidJaguar: Mark me down as solidly in the "not impressed; do not care" column.

Same here.  I don't spend endless hours on my smartphone, so I've never bought one new.  Every one I've had was at least a couple versions old, bought used from Amazon or Woot.  Suits me just fine.

/just upgraded to a Galaxy S5 in December
//no, I don't care that many would consider that a downgrade


I just bought an S6 active new in box never opened for $185. Very nice with massive battery.   Will not upgrade past Android 7  but working great now.
 
2018-03-01 05:22:46 PM  
And you'll STILL get no signal on Amtrak in Secaucus NJ
 
2018-03-01 05:24:49 PM  
Iphone X and the tip Samsung are pushing $1000, phones can't get much more expensive.  I think there will be major pushback from super high prices.
 
2018-03-01 05:29:29 PM  

Dinjiin: First off, are we using the ITU definition of 5G or the definition used by the marketing departments of the carriers?  Remember when AT&T hyped HSPA+ as 4G when the ITU said it was only 3G?

Ketchuponsteak: I don't care. I can stream 4k videos on my 4G line.  But I guess, we'll run out of bandwidth eventually, forcing 5G on us.

One of the benefits of 5G for low-usage customers is that your cellular radio can transmit data in a shorter duration so that it can go back to sleep faster, resulting in less draw on your battery.  So there is a benefit.


Uhhhh... [drools a bit]

I'm talking about the one that uses the 2ghz frequenzy, which can't penetrate walls, but goes fine through glass.

I don't want to be a luddite and claim 4G is the end of all, and 5G is teh ebil.

Though I am saying, that since I am fine with charging my 4G phone once a day, and it delivers enough bandwidth to play movies at a higher resolution than my screen can even display (I am "stuck" at 1440p), 5G will do absolutely nothing for me.

Here in Denmark, plans with 1TB of data per month costs 21USD, and tethering is allowed (no I am not kidding, https://www.oister.dk/mobila​bonnement/​taletidsabonnementer/oister-fri-fri/  Note that whilst is says Fri (free), it also says Fair Usage 1000GB), I think that the available bandwidth of 4G might eventually be problematic. 5G to a degree solves that.


Infact I tested this earlier today. At 4pm I could pull 28mbit down, now at close to midnight I hit 80mbit down. The network is clearly congested. Sure, so upgrade the 4G network, or put up a 5G network that just solves it for the next few years, shrug.
 
2018-03-01 05:33:17 PM  

ptelg: HST's Dead Carcass: So, what are the specs? Don't feed me a bunch of marketing hype, tell me the technical facts.

Well... If you knew those then you'd know they are lying.


Yeah I just don't see how higher bandwidth is that big of a draw anymore. Making my phone screen a higher resolution is pointless, I can't see the pixel grid anyway. And 4G already streams whatever I want at THIS resolution... My phone is already powerful enough to do everything I could want, instantly.

I'm not saying things won't need to get faster, just that there's no reason for it right now. Expanding a lightly traveled two Lane road into an 8 lane freeway doesn't accomplish much if there's no demand for it.
 
2018-03-01 05:36:35 PM  
Seriously.. How fast do people really need their phones network capabilities?  OMG I"M LOADING FARK AT 1GB/s.. Tthe processing of the page data to view it takes longer than the actual data sent but OMFG 5G!!!! !#@#!#$%@#$
 
2018-03-01 05:49:50 PM  

NateAsbestos: ptelg: HST's Dead Carcass: So, what are the specs? Don't feed me a bunch of marketing hype, tell me the technical facts.

Well... If you knew those then you'd know they are lying.

Yeah I just don't see how higher bandwidth is that big of a draw anymore. Making my phone screen a higher resolution is pointless, I can't see the pixel grid anyway. And 4G already streams whatever I want at THIS resolution... My phone is already powerful enough to do everything I could want, instantly.

I'm not saying things won't need to get faster, just that there's no reason for it right now. Expanding a lightly traveled two Lane road into an 8 lane freeway doesn't accomplish much if there's no demand for it.


Like I said above - it starts to become serious competition with broadband. If I can get a 4G/5G wireless broadband dongle with a plan that's comparable, or even nearly comparable with my current ADSL plan, it'll happen faster than shiat through a goose.

Currently paying AUD$100/month for landline (unlimited national calls), and unlimited ADSL2+ quota, but only at 7MBits/second. I can't get a stable 4G signal here, it usually connects at 3G or worse. If they put a 4G repeater on the existing tower, I could drop the landline/ADSL bundle, and put that money towards an upgraded phone plan. I could even find a second-hand 4G-capable phone and dedicate that to the household internet.

Most 3G/4G data plans are in the tens of GB, I need about 250/300GB, based on existing usage.
 
2018-03-01 05:53:21 PM  
I don't really care.  I just bought a new "phone" yesterday that's basically a downgrade in a lot of respects to my current phone, an LG G3.  Lower camera resolution, screen resolution, half the pixel density, and a gigabyte less ram but getting a 3" larger screen & twice the cpu cores; though more cores and less resolution means it should emulate PSX games better.

Bought a ZTE Trek 2 for $100 off Amazon...8" screen for reading, dual front-facing speakers for media, sdcard, does phone stuff...I wanted something around that size for reading ebooks, that accomplished that task while helping keep down on gear clutter by replacing my phone in the process.  Bonus is it has root, roms, and an unlocked bootloader...and oddly, it came factory with a locked bootloader and the Android 7 upgrade unlocks it...cool...  Sucks it doesn't have a dedicated XDA page outside of a clusterf*ck thread...

Basically, I could care less about the latest and greatest gadgets and instead buy affordable products with decent ratings that accomplish the tasks I need them to do with the features I require.  So what if your iPhone X loads Candy Crush 2 seconds faster...I'd rather save $900 and use that two seconds to scratch my ass because that itch has been bothering me for a good minute.
 
2018-03-01 05:56:48 PM  

stuhayes2010: Iphone X and the tip Samsung are pushing $1000, phones can't get much more expensive.  I think there will be major pushback from super high prices.


Like me going ???? and buying a slightly older but new $100 phablet (see above) because that does what I need it to do at a fraction of the cost because as much as I'd like an LG 7 Neo or the V30, I ain't gonna spend that much on something that's essentially gonna be an e-reader, mp3 player, and comms thingy.
 
2018-03-01 06:31:41 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: I'm talking about the one that uses the 2ghz frequenzy, which can't penetrate walls, but goes fine through glass.


You are mixing frequencies with cellular generations.  The term "5G" stands for fifth generation wireless system.  It is a collection of upcoming protocols that will supersede the current 4G LTE protocols and older 3G HSPA and CDMA-EVDO protocols currently in use.

You might be thinking of the 5 GHz microwave SHF band, which is a range of radio frequencies.
 
2018-03-01 06:50:38 PM  
I bought a 150$ Moto phone last year, my first smartphone, and while I love it I can't imagine what people can do on their $600 phones that I can't do on this - that's worth all that money.
/Fark, Facebook, porn, email
//Oh yeah, and phone calls sometimes
 
2018-03-01 07:29:50 PM  
Dear Website Designers,

If you include any autoplay audio or video on your website at full volume, I will block your website until the heat death of the Universe.

Etoof
 
2018-03-01 08:10:58 PM  
Meh. I'm done with flagship phones anyway. I got screwed with the Samsung battery thing, got an LG g5 to replace it, and I'm on my third one. The power button just stops functioning. Clicks fine, fingerprint scanner works perfectly, it just doesn't turn the phone on and off. For an expensive phone, the qc is terrible.

My next phone is probably going to be whatever the consensus "budget" phone is. Brand new for under $200 seems average. I'm sure it will browse fark fine.
 
2018-03-01 08:12:40 PM  
Meh, bought a Pixel 2 recently, should get 3-4 years out of it like the Nexus 5 and Nexus S I had before. Bt the time I need a new phone the costs of 5G units should be down to reasonable levels. Hopefully data caps will grow (and/or unlimited plans will do away with silly restrictions) to make 5G actually worthwhile.


Nocrash: I just bought an S6 active new in box never opened for $185. Very nice with massive battery.   Will not upgrade past Android 7  but working great now.


Check to see if LineageOS supports it.
 
2018-03-01 08:20:41 PM  

Dinjiin: Ketchuponsteak: I'm talking about the one that uses the 2ghz frequenzy, which can't penetrate walls, but goes fine through glass.

You are mixing frequencies with cellular generations.  The term "5G" stands for fifth generation wireless system.  It is a collection of upcoming protocols that will supersede the current 4G LTE protocols and older 3G HSPA and CDMA-EVDO protocols currently in use.

You might be thinking of the 5 GHz microwave SHF band, which is a range of radio frequencies.


It's a marketing term. Everyone is talking about deploying 3GPPRelease 13 (LAA) or Release 14 (eLAA). It's also referred to as LTE Advanced Pro, aka 4.5G.
 
2018-03-01 10:10:22 PM  
The ability and the infrastructure are very different things. 5G isn't going to help me find a parking space until someone does the work to track parking spaces.

Also, my phone and network are 4G capable but I still often get 1X speeds, and I live in Seattle.
 
2018-03-01 10:13:24 PM  
Will 5G finally remove the pixelation from my favorite Japanese videos?
/always appears in the worst possible place
 
2018-03-01 10:25:49 PM  
Still waiting for enough bandwidth to support transportation of solid objects.
 
2018-03-01 10:33:51 PM  

loonatic112358: but is it the actual 5G spec, or will it be properly implemented 4G in the disguise of 5G


It will be two cans connected by string, one with a 5 on it, the other with a G.
 
2018-03-02 04:09:59 AM  

Dinjiin: Ketchuponsteak: I'm talking about the one that uses the 2ghz frequenzy, which can't penetrate walls, but goes fine through glass.

You are mixing frequencies with cellular generations.  The term "5G" stands for fifth generation wireless system.  It is a collection of upcoming protocols that will supersede the current 4G LTE protocols and older 3G HSPA and CDMA-EVDO protocols currently in use.

You might be thinking of the 5 GHz microwave SHF band, which is a range of radio frequencies.


No I am not. But I just couldn't remember which frequency 5G would use.

5G will use a higher frequency than 4G, which has advantages and disadvantages. It'll have shorter range, and more difficulty penetrating buildings, which is why I brought up windows.
 
2018-03-02 08:14:12 AM  

NobleHam: The ability and the infrastructure are very different things. 5G isn't going to help me find a parking space until someone does the work to track parking spaces.

Also, my phone and network are 4G capable but I still often get 1X speeds, and I live in Seattle.


Yea, Sprint is a terrible carrier. I can't imagine you on anything else if you are getting 1x regularly in Seattle.
 
2018-03-02 10:02:23 AM  
Neat. I won't be an early adopter though. I'm content to keep buying reasonably priced phones and services rather than paying a premium for the shininess factor. I get 2 gigabytes a month on my plan and don't come near using it.

I'm sure I'd feel differently about this if I were using my phone data all day long, but I don't. At work I'm too busy and at home I have better devices for that stuff than a dinky little 5.5" screen.
 
2018-03-02 10:10:59 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Dinjiin: Ketchuponsteak: I'm talking about the one that uses the 2ghz frequenzy, which can't penetrate walls, but goes fine through glass.

You are mixing frequencies with cellular generations.  The term "5G" stands for fifth generation wireless system.  It is a collection of upcoming protocols that will supersede the current 4G LTE protocols and older 3G HSPA and CDMA-EVDO protocols currently in use.

You might be thinking of the 5 GHz microwave SHF band, which is a range of radio frequencies.

No I am not. But I just couldn't remember which frequency 5G would use.

5G will use a higher frequency than 4G, which has advantages and disadvantages. It'll have shorter range, and more difficulty penetrating buildings, which is why I brought up windows.


I just did a quick and dirty look at the bands and bandwidths they're looking at... it's gonna be up there at 3ghz and above for many rollouts of 5G.  They're talking 50-100mhz-wide channels.  1900 band and higher already struggles with penetration so the rollout in those bands I expect is gonna be the while mini cell tower integrated into a wifi hotspot.  I was glad when the 600mhz band got auctioned off so that coverage over wide spaces could be improved.  5G appears very urban-oriented.
 
2018-03-02 12:16:43 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: 5G will use a higher frequency than 4G, which has advantages and disadvantages. It'll have shorter range, and more difficulty penetrating buildings, which is why I brought up windows.


006andahalf: I just did a quick and dirty look at the bands and bandwidths they're looking at... it's gonna be up there at 3ghz and above for many rollouts of 5G. They're talking 50-100mhz-wide channels. 1900 band and higher already struggles with penetration so the rollout in those bands I expect is gonna be the while mini cell tower integrated into a wifi hotspot. I was glad when the 600mhz band got auctioned off so that coverage over wide spaces could be improved. 5G appears very urban-oriented.


Yes, newer 5G protocols will be deployed on those higher frequency bands.  But 5G protocols will also be deployed on existing cellular frequency bands as well.  It may be that 5G will be deployed on those upper bands first, but we'll see.  Verizon has announced that it will decommission its 2G/3G CDMA2000 network starting in late 2019 so that it can repurpose those bands.  It is entirely possible that 5G will come to the USA via 850 MHz and 1.9 GHz bands first.

Also, there is a fair bit of talk that the new licensed 3 GHz bands will be used for fixed wireless.  In the USA, the 3.6 GHz band was previously available via a non-exclusive license that small WISPs often used for fixed P2MP links.  So there is no reason to believe that those new bands' use will be limited to urban micro-cells.
 
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