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2018-03-01 03:37:52 PM  
Seems like the only people who don't see the obvious solution of permanent sites for the Olympics are the IOC members, and $ I $ can't $ imagine $ why $ that $ would $ be.
 
2018-03-01 04:23:28 PM  
They're up shiat's creek without an OAR.
 
2018-03-01 05:34:06 PM  
The Olympics is a party, not an investment

Except when it's not.  Los Angeles has used most of its venues since the last time.  Uses them all the time.  First, these sports all need people to train for them.  Where do they train?  High schools, colleges, club teams, etc all use these venues for that purpose.  Second, of course, is that certain venues have multiple purposes.  We host concerts and festivals at the Coliseum, proms at the velodrome, etc etc. Most of these venues are actually property of a local university and used for the designed purpose.  The upcoming olympics will reuse a lot of what is already built, refurbish some things that needed to be refurbished anyways, and use newer venues like Staples, the Forum, and the new Rams stadium for other events.  Basically, yea, it's an investment.  It doesn't need to be an exercise in excess.  After this next decade, it's highly likely that the Olympics will find a semi-permanent home, or at least a rotation of homes, in places that are setup to handle this at any time.  LA can host a summer olympics pretty much at the drop of a hat because all of the venues basically exist and are functional already, and I'm sure there are places around the world that exist where that can be done for winter olympics as well.  No reason for Greece or South Korea to spend money it doesn't have on venues it will never use again.  Same will happen for the FIFA world cup eventually, considering Brazil basically mortgaged money it didn't have for venues that will never be used again.  Can put it in plenty of places across the US and western Europe pretty much at will and save billions for a host country.
 
2018-03-01 06:58:59 PM  
Well why not let North Korea host in 2020? They have *plenty* of empty venues ready to go, the people are already used to starving for the benefit of the few (Equality!!1!), and when it's all over they won't have to worry about the abandoned facilities because Unka Sam will pave it over nice and flat as a freshly resurfaced grass parking rot.
 
2018-03-01 07:02:35 PM  
The IOC totally needs to change how the Olympics are run or they will be stuck with an ever shrinking list of places willing to host the games.   The seem to realize this but are doing little to nothing to solve the problem.
 
2018-03-01 07:32:05 PM  

SurfaceTension: Seems like the only people who don't see the obvious solution of permanent sites for the Olympics are the IOC members, and $ I $ can't $ imagine $ why $ that $ would $ be.


From the sounds of it (handing out LA and Paris as fast as possible) they have pretty much given up on taking the big bribes for location selection.  I'm sure "cash for gold" will be mostly what they are in it for (you could always sell more speedskating events to Denmark.  And ice dancing events to NBC).
 
2018-03-01 07:45:24 PM  
You mean hosting a world party for sports in third world/developing nations is a bad idea? Building stadiums in places that don't have big event cultures is a waste of money? Crazy.
 
2018-03-01 08:19:01 PM  

bhcompy: The Olympics is a party, not an investment

Except when it's not.  Los Angeles has used most of its venues since the last time.  Uses them all the time.  First, these sports all need people to train for them.  Where do they train?  High schools, colleges, club teams, etc all use these venues for that purpose.  Second, of course, is that certain venues have multiple purposes.  We host concerts and festivals at the Coliseum, proms at the velodrome, etc etc. Most of these venues are actually property of a local university and used for the designed purpose.  The upcoming olympics will reuse a lot of what is already built, refurbish some things that needed to be refurbished anyways, and use newer venues like Staples, the Forum, and the new Rams stadium for other events.  Basically, yea, it's an investment.  It doesn't need to be an exercise in excess.  After this next decade, it's highly likely that the Olympics will find a semi-permanent home, or at least a rotation of homes, in places that are setup to handle this at any time.  LA can host a summer olympics pretty much at the drop of a hat because all of the venues basically exist and are functional already, and I'm sure there are places around the world that exist where that can be done for winter olympics as well.  No reason for Greece or South Korea to spend money it doesn't have on venues it will never use again.  Same will happen for the FIFA world cup eventually, considering Brazil basically mortgaged money it didn't have for venues that will never be used again.  Can put it in plenty of places across the US and western Europe pretty much at will and save billions for a host country.


Los Angeles can handle the Winter Games, too. Between the Forum, Staples Center and Duck Pond we have the facilities for ice games/racing/skating/curling; Mammoth is a short ways away for skiing, and the local mountains have all kinds of facilities. It wouldn't take much to add a sliding center near Arrowhead or Big Bear. And it just snowed.
 
2018-03-01 10:06:11 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: SurfaceTension: Seems like the only people who don't see the obvious solution of permanent sites for the Olympics are the IOC members, and $ I $ can't $ imagine $ why $ that $ would $ be.

From the sounds of it (handing out LA and Paris as fast as possible) they have pretty much given up on taking the big bribes for location selection.  I'm sure "cash for gold" will be mostly what they are in it for (you could always sell more speedskating events to Denmark.  And ice dancing events to NBC).


It is just resetting things. Once those are reasonably successful cities will line up to waste money again. Just like after 1984 (when LA was the only bid in the aftermath of Munich and Montreal).
 
2018-03-01 10:08:47 PM  

grimlock1972: The IOC totally needs to change how the Olympics are run or they will be stuck with an ever shrinking list of places willing to host the games.   The seem to realize this but are doing little to nothing to solve the problem.


They are doing exactly what they need to do, run some low cost olympics using prebuilt venues. This will lower the bar for the oneupmanship. Then they can repeat the process. Just like they have in the past.
 
2018-03-02 09:36:24 AM  
Does any sort of record exist for who paid how much for the Olympics since they started?

I'd be interested to see if it's a cycle, or a bubble.
 
2018-03-02 11:00:14 AM  

dywed88: yet_another_wumpus: SurfaceTension: Seems like the only people who don't see the obvious solution of permanent sites for the Olympics are the IOC members, and $ I $ can't $ imagine $ why $ that $ would $ be.

From the sounds of it (handing out LA and Paris as fast as possible) they have pretty much given up on taking the big bribes for location selection.  I'm sure "cash for gold" will be mostly what they are in it for (you could always sell more speedskating events to Denmark.  And ice dancing events to NBC).

It is just resetting things. Once those are reasonably successful cities will line up to waste money again. Just like after 1984 (when LA was the only bid in the aftermath of Munich and Montreal).


That's a fairly good plan (and the eight years should help), but also ask yourself what happened to the World's Fair?  I'm not sure of the health of the goose that lays the golden egg.
 
2018-03-02 01:52:19 PM  

dywed88: grimlock1972: The IOC totally needs to change how the Olympics are run or they will be stuck with an ever shrinking list of places willing to host the games.   The seem to realize this but are doing little to nothing to solve the problem.

They are doing exactly what they need to do, run some low cost olympics using prebuilt venues. This will lower the bar for the oneupmanship. Then they can repeat the process. Just like they have in the past.


nah it's just a time out and the IOC is hoping like hell these two summer games are hugely successful and not a financial burden to either city.
 
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