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(BBC-US)   The Smithsonian Museum is looking to hire their own Erik Killmonger to repatriate artifacts to cultures and nations they were taken from during the colonial era   ( bbc.com) divider line
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2018-03-01 03:31:54 PM  
Who do i send my resume to?
 
2018-03-01 04:03:19 PM  
So you're going to steal artifacts from museums, brutally murder the people standing in your way, and overthrow the regime of the country that the artifacts originated from?
 
2018-03-01 04:03:30 PM  
Sign me up.
 
2018-03-01 04:08:36 PM  
I actually know someone who might be qualified for that. I sent her the ad. Thanks!
 
2018-03-01 04:24:11 PM  

raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?


You apply online
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDe​t​ails/492181300

You have to relocate to D.C. and they aren't paying relocation expenses. It's a GS 9 which in DC pays slightly less than in Los Angeles.
 
2018-03-01 04:36:38 PM  

Unobtanium: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

You apply online
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDet​ails/492181300

You have to relocate to D.C. and they aren't paying relocation expenses. It's a GS 9 which in DC pays slightly less than in Los Angeles.


I'm not concerned about the pay so much as I am about the museum's tax status in relation to my student loans.  Smithsonian is a non-profit, iirc.  But does it meet the requirements needed to qualify for loan forgiveness?    My current museum does.
 
2018-03-01 04:47:33 PM  
Killmonger is the Jessica Jones guy.
 
2018-03-01 04:53:59 PM  
So, they're finally going to return North America to its original owners?
 
2018-03-01 05:02:18 PM  

BalugaJoe: Killmonger is the Jessica Jones guy.


That's Kilgrave.
 
2018-03-01 05:12:12 PM  

raerae1980: Unobtanium: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

You apply online
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDet​ails/492181300

You have to relocate to D.C. and they aren't paying relocation expenses. It's a GS 9 which in DC pays slightly less than in Los Angeles.

I'm not concerned about the pay so much as I am about the museum's tax status in relation to my student loans.  Smithsonian is a non-profit, iirc.  But does it meet the requirements needed to qualify for loan forgiveness?    My current museum does.


Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. You could probably call their HR office and find out.
 
2018-03-01 05:24:44 PM  

cgraves67: BalugaJoe: Killmonger is the Jessica Jones guy.

That's Kilgrave.


No, it's Becky
 
2018-03-01 05:31:06 PM  

raerae1980: Unobtanium: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

You apply online
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDet​ails/492181300

You have to relocate to D.C. and they aren't paying relocation expenses. It's a GS 9 which in DC pays slightly less than in Los Angeles.

I'm not concerned about the pay so much as I am about the museum's tax status in relation to my student loans.  Smithsonian is a non-profit, iirc.  But does it meet the requirements needed to qualify for loan forgiveness?    My current museum does.


Sounds like they need to hire someone to repatriate the money they gave to people like you.
 
2018-03-01 05:43:08 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: raerae1980: Unobtanium: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

You apply online
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDet​ails/492181300

You have to relocate to D.C. and they aren't paying relocation expenses. It's a GS 9 which in DC pays slightly less than in Los Angeles.

I'm not concerned about the pay so much as I am about the museum's tax status in relation to my student loans.  Smithsonian is a non-profit, iirc.  But does it meet the requirements needed to qualify for loan forgiveness?    My current museum does.

Sounds like they need to hire someone to repatriate the money they gave to people like you.


Education is expensive.  Excuse me for trying to get ahead in this country.
 
2018-03-01 05:44:53 PM  

raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?


I just saw your profile, that you are an archaeologist :) So is my mum. My friend isn't going to apply (she meets every requirement but one apparently) so that's one fewer competitor for you if you do!
 
2018-03-01 05:53:13 PM  

Leandros A: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

I just saw your profile, that you are an archaeologist :) So is my mum. My friend isn't going to apply (she meets every requirement but one apparently) so that's one fewer competitor for you if you do!


HA!  Nice!!    I imagine the competition for this position will be beyond intense.   I don't envy the hiring crew.   LOL
 
2018-03-01 05:58:25 PM  

raerae1980: Leandros A: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

I just saw your profile, that you are an archaeologist :) So is my mum. My friend isn't going to apply (she meets every requirement but one apparently) so that's one fewer competitor for you if you do!

HA!  Nice!!    I imagine the competition for this position will be beyond intense.   I don't envy the hiring crew.   LOL


Either that or they have someone internal in mind already and wrote the ad for protocol reasons... But it doesn't hurt to apply! Best of luck if you do!
 
2018-03-01 06:06:34 PM  

Burr: cgraves67: BalugaJoe: Killmonger is the Jessica Jones guy.

That's Kilgrave.

No, it's Becky Bucky

 
2018-03-01 06:10:13 PM  

Leandros A: raerae1980: Leandros A: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

I just saw your profile, that you are an archaeologist :) So is my mum. My friend isn't going to apply (she meets every requirement but one apparently) so that's one fewer competitor for you if you do!

HA!  Nice!!    I imagine the competition for this position will be beyond intense.   I don't envy the hiring crew.   LOL

Either that or they have someone internal in mind already and wrote the ad for protocol reasons... But it doesn't hurt to apply! Best of luck if you do!


Thank you :-)
 
2018-03-01 06:37:21 PM  
Lame.

We pillaged those items, fair and square. Colonized peoples should've fought harder not to be colonized, yo.
 
2018-03-01 07:29:58 PM  

raerae1980: Leandros A: raerae1980: Who do i send my resume to?

I just saw your profile, that you are an archaeologist :) So is my mum. My friend isn't going to apply (she meets every requirement but one apparently) so that's one fewer competitor for you if you do!

HA!  Nice!!    I imagine the competition for this position will be beyond intense.   I don't envy the hiring crew.   LOL


For a GS-9 in dc? That's basically poverty level. Is the job market so bad so tons of people will be applying for that? Of course, it is the Smithsonian, which would be beyond cool.
 
2018-03-01 07:34:18 PM  
Now, this is a terribly ethnocentric thing to say, but I can't help feeling that some (many?) of these artifacts would be safer where they are. Walking through the Smithsonian or the British Museum, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened to artifacts from certain places if they'd been subject to the religious and political turmoil of their native places. Probably not a worthy thought, but I had it.
 
2018-03-01 07:42:23 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Now, this is a terribly ethnocentric thing to say, but I can't help feeling that some (many?) of these artifacts would be safer where they are. Walking through the Smithsonian or the British Museum, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened to artifacts from certain places if they'd been subject to the religious and political turmoil of their native places. Probably not a worthy thought, but I had it.


Here's a breif explanation
https://vimeo.com/85633178
 
2018-03-01 07:46:09 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Now, this is a terribly ethnocentric thing to say, but I can't help feeling that some (many?) of these artifacts would be safer where they are. Walking through the Smithsonian or the British Museum, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened to artifacts from certain places if they'd been subject to the religious and political turmoil of their native places. Probably not a worthy thought, but I had it.


It's not ethnocentric, it's a good question. It probably is very, very dependent on the locale and the circumstances. I can talk in a lot of depth about what happened to some of the sculptural art from my city (Athens, Greece) that was removed to the British Museum and what would have happened to it if it had been left in situ vs. what did happen to it during/after removal -- there are a lot of very interesting things that can be discussed.

It boils down to politics though. Ultimately, what's done is done, and if the British Museum wants to make a goodwill gesture for what that's worth to them, they can do so, or if they don't feel it's worth it to them, they won't. So far they haven't.

My personal inclination is that the outcome in that particular case was pretty bad for the art. A great, great quantity of it went down in a shipwreck in the English Channel and has never been recovered. To start with, it had to be chipped off the pediment of the temple itself, so that was a lot of damage. The firman (permission letter) said they could take whatever had "fallen to the ground" so they chipped it off and then let it fall to the ground rather than carry it down (several storeys in height) -- more damage. Then there were some questionable cleaning practices that were carried out due to the museum personnel not understanding what the natural quality of the marble was.

The flip side of that is if they had stayed in situ, they would have presumably been affected by acid rain -- if the Greek authorities had not acted to remove them to the museum beforehand -- which they didn't do in other cases.

And then multiply that out to every single artefact that was taken, all around the world, from every place that was colonised or occupied or simply poorly regulated (like in the case of Italy). Obviously there is a lot of distress around the fact that objects were taken away, they cannot be examined in combination with their architecture, and so on. Local peoples will feel far, far more strongly about their own cultural heritage than a coloniser can understand (or probably take seriously).

(I will say that I have zero sympathy for the argument that "more people will see it in London than in Athens". That's completely irrelevant and there are better arguments to be made.)

It's a very interesting conversation as long as people don't start hurling insults at each other.... ;)
 
2018-03-01 08:44:16 PM  
Well, I think of the artistic and architectural treasures of Syria and Iraq, for example, and wish more had been spirited away.
 
2018-03-01 09:12:29 PM  

Leandros A: ChubbyTiger: Now, this is a terribly ethnocentric thing to say, but I can't help feeling that some (many?) of these artifacts would be safer where they are. Walking through the Smithsonian or the British Museum, I couldn't help wondering what would have happened to artifacts from certain places if they'd been subject to the religious and political turmoil of their native places. Probably not a worthy thought, but I had it.

It's not ethnocentric, it's a good question. It probably is very, very dependent on the locale and the circumstances. I can talk in a lot of depth about what happened to some of the sculptural art from my city (Athens, Greece) that was removed to the British Museum and what would have happened to it if it had been left in situ vs. what did happen to it during/after removal -- there are a lot of very interesting things that can be discussed.

It boils down to politics though. Ultimately, what's done is done, and if the British Museum wants to make a goodwill gesture for what that's worth to them, they can do so, or if they don't feel it's worth it to them, they won't. So far they haven't.

My personal inclination is that the outcome in that particular case was pretty bad for the art. A great, great quantity of it went down in a shipwreck in the English Channel and has never been recovered. To start with, it had to be chipped off the pediment of the temple itself, so that was a lot of damage. The firman (permission letter) said they could take whatever had "fallen to the ground" so they chipped it off and then let it fall to the ground rather than carry it down (several storeys in height) -- more damage. Then there were some questionable cleaning practices that were carried out due to the museum personnel not understanding what the natural quality of the marble was.

The flip side of that is if they had stayed in situ, they would have presumably been affected by acid rain -- if the Greek authorities had not acted to remove them to the museum before ...


For an interesting take on the other side, see this really interesting article in the Smithsonian talking about the efforts to save early religious texts in Mali from Jihadists.  It would be better if these were in a museum, at least for now.
 
2018-03-01 09:42:32 PM  
Leandros A:
The firman (permission letter) said they could take whatever had "fallen to the ground" so they chipped it off...

I agree that Elgin most likely greatly exceeded the terms of the firman, but that firman is lost. How are you so sure?
 
2018-03-02 08:11:50 AM  

seelorq: Leandros A:
The firman (permission letter) said they could take whatever had "fallen to the ground" so they chipped it off...

I agree that Elgin most likely greatly exceeded the terms of the firman, but that firman is lost. How are you so sure?


Well, of course I'm not "sure" but I'm giving him the absolute most benefit of the doubt possible. If we accept the Italian document, which I don't have a copy of, but I have the Archaeological Service's Greek translation, it says he can take what he wants off the ground. If we reject the document, then there's no evidence he had any right to take anything at all. So I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Which is not easy for me to do. I'm trying to be fair.
 
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