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(The New York Times)   ♩ It's ♪ a ♬ Small World ♬ After ♩ All, unless you have to drive 2+ hours in heavy LA traffic to Malibu or Temecula CA to find a safe place to sleep in your car due to those "Small World" minimum wages. Wait, didn't this company buy Star Wars?   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2018-03-01 02:06:58 AM  
I worked briefly at Disney World in Florida.   I was paid relatively well as a new employee in a stagehand position.   One of my housemates worked concessions,  and made less than $50 a day full time at minimum wage.  It disturbed the heck out of me then and still does now.  The company could have increased employee wages to a minimum $20k full time each year and still had incredible profits.
 
2018-03-01 02:15:15 AM  
But...but... Disney was going to shower their employees with Trump's glorious tax cuts?!

Lived in Anaheim for many years and would see the Disneyland "cast members" around, and they looked miserable.

Housing costs are insane in Orange County, and this is a time bomb for Disney if something isn't done.

I do like that Disney thinks this is some politically motivated attack by the unions. It means they're doing something right.
 
2018-03-01 02:30:49 AM  

JulieAzel626: But...but... Disney was going to shower their employees with Trump's glorious tax cuts?!

Lived in Anaheim for many years and would see the Disneyland "cast members" around, and they looked miserable.

Housing costs are insane in Orange County, and this is a time bomb for Disney if something isn't done.

I do like that Disney thinks this is some politically motivated attack by the unions. It means they're doing something right.


When I applied,  I was told that Disneyland (California) doesn't even bother hiring people who don't already live in the area due to the impossible housing situation.  If Disney isn't paying your relocation costs,  they don't want you moving there to work for them.
 
2018-03-01 03:07:16 AM  

thecactusman17: JulieAzel626: But...but... Disney was going to shower their employees with Trump's glorious tax cuts?!

Lived in Anaheim for many years and would see the Disneyland "cast members" around, and they looked miserable.

Housing costs are insane in Orange County, and this is a time bomb for Disney if something isn't done.

I do like that Disney thinks this is some politically motivated attack by the unions. It means they're doing something right.

When I applied,  I was told that Disneyland (California) doesn't even bother hiring people who don't already live in the area due to the impossible housing situation.  If Disney isn't paying your relocation costs,  they don't want you moving there to work for them.


Sounds right.

Over ten years ago when I applied one of the first questions asked was if I lived in the area.
 
2018-03-01 03:44:46 AM  

JulieAzel626: But...but... Disney was going to shower their employees with Trump's glorious tax cuts?!


Only if the union agrees to a contract they've already rejected.

JulieAzel626: Housing costs are insane in Orange County, and this is a time bomb for Disney if something isn't done.


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2018-03-01 05:22:00 AM  

JulieAzel626: But...but... Disney was going to shower their employees with Trump's glorious tax cuts?!


I suspect that idea was greeted with hysterical laughter in the Disney boardroom.

/The outfit I work for - Fortune 500 and ferociously presenting itself as a 'caring' company - hasn't said a word about bonuses
//I didn't expect them to, but a lot of people who should have known better did
 
2018-03-01 06:34:32 AM  
The Orlando employees are in almost as bad of situation. Almost everyone lives out in the cow pastures toward Tampa or Gainesville.
 
2018-03-01 09:14:42 AM  
If you drive to Malibu or Temecula from Anaheim just to sleep in your car, you are an idiot of the highest order.
 
2018-03-01 10:00:36 AM  
It continues to baffle me that companies are able to fill low paying jobs in ultra high cost of living areas.  As TFA states, with their income, there is now way any of these workers can afford to live these areas.  So, they have no choice but to commute 2+ hours to get to work.  I have to ask, what is the appeal?  Are minimum wage jobs so rare that they are only to be found in more less affordable areas?  I mean, if I'm cleaning toilets for minimum wage, I don't particularly care if I'm doing it in Silicon Valley or some backwater.  And taking commute into consideration, I think I would prefer the backwater.
 
2018-03-01 10:02:28 AM  
This is the economic reality of tourism pretty much all over the world.  A few people in the tourist industry make out like bandits, the rest are paid slave wages.

Oh, as for Walt Disney.

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2018-03-01 10:07:50 AM  
They're hardly alone in this.  Try could afford to pay more, but they don't.  A corporations first duty is to its shareholders.  Everything else is window dressing.
 
2018-03-01 10:33:38 AM  

v2micca:  I have to ask, what is the appeal?


Who doesn't want to be in show business?
 
2018-03-01 10:36:31 AM  
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Disney's version of employee appreciation.
 
2018-03-01 10:53:31 AM  

drewogatory: If you drive to Malibu or Temecula from Anaheim just to sleep in your car, you are an idiot of the highest order.


Yep. they are idiots...
FTFA "Despite their frustration with pay, in interviews with more than a dozen workers, many said they choose to stay at Disneyland"

They are choosing this life, fark em.
 
2018-03-01 11:00:02 AM  

mrsleep: drewogatory: If you drive to Malibu or Temecula from Anaheim just to sleep in your car, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Yep. they are idiots...
FTFA "Despite their frustration with pay, in interviews with more than a dozen workers, many said they choose to stay at Disneyland"

They are choosing this life, fark em.


Hell, you could buy a freaking Parks pass, drive straight down Brookhurst and sleep at the beach every night if you were scared to park on the streets or whatever. Or just stay in the damn cast member's lot, people sleep there all the time.
 
2018-03-01 11:15:15 AM  

thecactusman17: I worked briefly at Disney World in Florida.   I was paid relatively well as a new employee in a stagehand position.  One of my housemates worked concessions,  and made less than $50 a day full time at minimum wage.  It disturbed the heck out of me then and still does now.  The company could have increased employee wages to a minimum $20k full time each year and still had incredible profits.


Thank the Union
 
2018-03-01 11:23:35 AM  

sickb0y: They're hardly alone in this.  Try could afford to pay more, but they don't.  A corporations first duty is to its shareholders.  Everything else is window dressing.


Disney is out of control.

The city of Anaheim, which owns the garage and spent $108.2 million to build it, charges the company just $1 a year for the lease.
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi​-​disney-anaheim-city-council/


A ticket to Disneyland is now $110, and Disney says it can't afford a $1-per-ticket entertainment tax.
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017​/​11/07/25549015/read-the-reporting-abou​t-disneyland-that-disney-does-not-want​-you-to-see


Amid a growing backlash, the Walt Disney Company on Tuesday reversed its decision to bar The Los Angeles Times from press screenings of its movies following an investigation by the newspaper into the media giant's business dealings in Anaheim.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/07​/​business/disney-la-times.html
 
2018-03-01 11:28:48 AM  

Magorn: thecactusman17: I worked briefly at Disney World in Florida.   I was paid relatively well as a new employee in a stagehand position.  One of my housemates worked concessions,  and made less than $50 a day full time at minimum wage.  It disturbed the heck out of me then and still does now.  The company could have increased employee wages to a minimum $20k full time each year and still had incredible profits.

Thank the Union


The folks in TFA are union and only making $11 an hour.  Thanks union.
 
2018-03-01 11:48:44 AM  
Too many restrictions on building new housing, especially high density housing, from local governments.  Too many investors, both foreign and domestic, purchasing homes for rentals.  Not enough retirees moving out due to property tax caps.

Sacramento really needs to step in an tell some of these cities to stop with these NIMBY building laws.  One good proposal I've seen is to allow easier challenges to building restrictions when a city fails to meet certain growth metrics.

They'd also do well by either adopting an investors' purchase tax on housing or by cranking up property taxes for all save owner-occupied primary residences.
 
2018-03-01 11:57:14 AM  
Huh, she's park up the street from me on Topanga Canyon Blvd., right off the PCH. I've often seen the same cars parked there at night, always figured it was a spot where the Sheriffs didn't bother anyone. That area is in this weird pocket between Malibu and Pacific Palisades where it is unincorporated LA County, restrictions are less stringent and near enough to main highway arteries (the PCH, the 10, and the 405) to make it practical.
 
2018-03-01 12:01:09 PM  

Dinjiin: Too many restrictions on building new housing, especially high density housing, from local governments.  Too many investors, both foreign and domestic, purchasing homes for rentals.  Not enough retirees moving out due to property tax caps.

Sacramento really needs to step in an tell some of these cities to stop with these NIMBY building laws.  One good proposal I've seen is to allow easier challenges to building restrictions when a city fails to meet certain growth metrics.

They'd also do well by either adopting an investors' purchase tax on housing or by cranking up property taxes for all save owner-occupied primary residences.


There was a State Assemblyman (or Senator?) who just introduced a bill to allow developers to supersede local zoning law 0.5 miles around major transit stops (train and buses). No idea if it will pass, but it got a lot of attention due to the many who share your assessment of the housing situation praising it.
 
2018-03-01 12:05:38 PM  

Dinjiin: Too many restrictions on building new housing, especially high density housing, from local governments.  Too many investors, both foreign and domestic, purchasing homes for rentals.  Not enough retirees moving out due to property tax caps.

Sacramento really needs to step in an tell some of these cities to stop with these NIMBY building laws.  One good proposal I've seen is to allow easier challenges to building restrictions when a city fails to meet certain growth metrics.

They'd also do well by either adopting an investors' purchase tax on housing or by cranking up property taxes for all save owner-occupied primary residences.


Don't forget the unions and environmentalists that invoke the CEQA on any project that doesn't meet their demands and thus kill it....
 
2018-03-01 12:10:28 PM  
The cost of construction in SoCal is so high it flat out doesn't pay to build affordable housing. Our version of high density is a 3 story condo with a roof deck for 750K.
 
2018-03-01 12:14:16 PM  

chevydeuce: Dinjiin: Too many restrictions on building new housing, especially high density housing, from local governments.  Too many investors, both foreign and domestic, purchasing homes for rentals.  Not enough retirees moving out due to property tax caps.

Sacramento really needs to step in an tell some of these cities to stop with these NIMBY building laws.  One good proposal I've seen is to allow easier challenges to building restrictions when a city fails to meet certain growth metrics.

They'd also do well by either adopting an investors' purchase tax on housing or by cranking up property taxes for all save owner-occupied primary residences.

Don't forget the unions and environmentalists that invoke the CEQA on any project that doesn't meet their demands and thus kill it....


Frankly it's rarely "Unions and Environmentalists", it's usually "rich homeowners, business organizations, wealthy cities, and my commute will get worse!" types. In LA, the Beverly Hills School District just put in the 3rd or 4th lawsuit about the subway alignment claiming that the 3 months that they will be tunneling underneath the high school will be detrimental to the health of students. Mind you they have an operating oil rig (on the surface) pumping oil out of the ground on campus that the students walk around.
 
2018-03-01 12:19:53 PM  
The Santa Ana area just south of Disneyland has huge homeless encampments along the river. The county is trying to clear them out (who knows where those folks will end up), but no doubt plenty of Disney and other minimum-wage workers live in them.
 
2018-03-01 12:27:12 PM  

drewogatory: The cost of construction in SoCal is so high it flat out doesn't pay to build affordable housing. Our version of high density is a 3 story condo with a roof deck for 750K.


I would kill for a 3 level condo for only 750k

/bay area
 
2018-03-01 01:59:55 PM  

Another Government Employee: The Orlando employees are in almost as bad of situation. Almost everyone lives out in the cow pastures toward Tampa or Gainesville.


Same shiatty employer, but Florida vs. SoCal property prices aren't even in the same universe.
 
2018-03-01 02:07:51 PM  
SoCal is also so seismically active that there's a practical limit on vertical building.
 
2018-03-01 02:14:52 PM  

yequalsy: The Santa Ana area just south of Disneyland has huge homeless encampments along the river. The county is trying to clear them out (who knows where those folks will end up), but no doubt plenty of Disney and other minimum-wage workers live in them.


Not anymore.. they were all kicked out this week.
 
2018-03-01 02:59:04 PM  
Well, one thing people might not know- it is a bust to get caught sleeping in your car in Malibu proper. Close to Countyline one can get away with it, but you still have deputies with not much else to do but fark with you, from potentially 2 counties ....
that said-
fark you disney.
 
2018-03-01 03:41:40 PM  

drewogatory: The cost of construction in SoCal is so high it flat out doesn't pay to build affordable housing. Our version of high density is a 3 story condo with a roof deck for 750K.


In OC, that's more like 750k.... per storey
 
2018-03-01 03:56:13 PM  

Khazar-Khum: SoCal is also so seismically active that there's a practical limit on vertical building.


Modern taller buildings, made of steel with concrete slab floors, are actually safer in an earthquake than a three story stick built or masonry building. You think that Tokyo is all 2 story buildings? The problem is the cities wanting to maintain a "small town" feel and look when they haven't been small for over 50 years.
 
2018-03-01 04:56:20 PM  

nemisonic: drewogatory: The cost of construction in SoCal is so high it flat out doesn't pay to build affordable housing. Our version of high density is a 3 story condo with a roof deck for 750K.

In OC, that's more like 750k.... per storey


That's pretty much what they all cost in Costa Mesa. The ones on Victoria, Placentia,and all that crap across 17th.
 
2018-03-01 05:04:20 PM  
Some nights, the 27-year-old heads to her mother's home in Temecula, a drive that routinely takes two hours. More often, she says, she drives along the Pacific Coast Highway and pulls over into a secluded spot near Malibu, attaching cloth to her windows before sleeping. When she wakes up, she goes to a nearby Starbucks to brush her teeth. She showers and puts on her makeup once she arrives at work, where she works on the wigs for princesses in the park.

So, I have to nitpick here, being a local.

1) Yes, it can be a 2 hour drive to Temecula with traffic, but it's probably closer to 90 with traffic if you take Ortega, but some people don't like windy canyon roads. That said, it's only about 1:10 or so offpeak(typical park worker hours)
2) Why the fark are you driving 60 miles to Malibu to sleep?  Might as well drive to farking San Diego while you're at it, you'll be closer factoring in traffic.  Near the park, you can sleep in any Walmart parking lot.  I know people who sleep at Walmart parking lots in Santa Ana, which would be minutes away from the park.  You can also go to Laguna Beach, where they allow homeless to sleep at the beach, and only be 30 minutes away(depending on the Laguna Canyon traffic situation).  Get a gym membership for $10/mo and you have a place to shower ever morning, and you don't have a 90+minute commute.
 
2018-03-01 05:09:22 PM  

drewogatory: nemisonic: drewogatory: The cost of construction in SoCal is so high it flat out doesn't pay to build affordable housing. Our version of high density is a 3 story condo with a roof deck for 750K.

In OC, that's more like 750k.... per storey

That's pretty much what they all cost in Costa Mesa. The ones on Victoria, Placentia,and all that crap across 17th.


Detached condos in RSM can be pretty cheap, comparatively, and a $3 toll is worth the savings comparatively.  Just sold mine for $550k, 1400sqft with a yard and no common walls, just a zero lot line.  Plus the schools are way better
 
2018-03-01 09:28:02 PM  

Magorn: thecactusman17: I worked briefly at Disney World in Florida.   I was paid relatively well as a new employee in a stagehand position.  One of my housemates worked concessions,  and made less than $50 a day full time at minimum wage.  It disturbed the heck out of me then and still does now.  The company could have increased employee wages to a minimum $20k full time each year and still had incredible profits.

Thank the Union


Oh I certainly did and do.
 
2018-03-01 09:43:32 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Magorn: thecactusman17: I worked briefly at Disney World in Florida.   I was paid relatively well as a new employee in a stagehand position.  One of my housemates worked concessions,  and made less than $50 a day full time at minimum wage.  It disturbed the heck out of me then and still does now.  The company could have increased employee wages to a minimum $20k full time each year and still had incredible profits.

Thank the Union

The folks in TFA are union and only making $11 an hour.  Thanks union.


The non-union guys have it far worse.  Just about all the protections the non-union guys get were demanded by the various unions working at the parks.  Otherwise you'd have guys working essentially two weeks straight without actual breaks, which would impact the union employees ability to safely do their own jobs.
 
2018-03-01 11:30:53 PM  
Why even bother? Move to the Midwest, get one of the many similar jobs that pays as much or more, and you've instantly doubled your purchasing power. Unless, of course, you're harboring ambitions of a career as a carny or costumed actor.
 
2018-03-02 12:57:24 PM  

Scythed: Why even bother? Move to the Midwest, get one of the many similar jobs that pays as much or more, and you've instantly doubled your purchasing power. Unless, of course, you're harboring ambitions of a career as a carny or costumed actor.


Or unless you enjoy the local weather, culture, politics, or proximity to family.
 
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