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2018-02-25 12:35:01 AM  
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2018-02-25 12:51:06 AM  
They ran out of coffee.
 
2018-02-25 12:53:14 AM  
Just a DC-10 on it's way to Hawaii
 
2018-02-25 01:19:10 AM  
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2018-02-25 01:47:33 AM  
I'd rather hear it from an FAA official than my proctologist.
 
2018-02-25 01:59:02 AM  

LordOfThePings: I'd rather hear it from an FAA official than my proctologist.


"Sir, I don't know how to tell you this, but there are a dozen roses in your ass."
"Read the note!"
 
2018-02-25 02:04:00 AM  
Give me the damn data....I don't make ramblings on top of ramblings.
/there is nothing here
 
2018-02-25 02:06:42 AM  
Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.
 
2018-02-25 02:15:03 AM  

Prof. Frink: LordOfThePings: I'd rather hear it from an FAA official than my proctologist.

"Sir, I don't know how to tell you this, but there are a dozen roses in your ass."
"Read the note!"


This exchange made me giggle. :-)

/thanks!
 
2018-02-25 02:20:46 AM  

Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.


Aurora was allegedly shelved, but they're working on the next generation of hypersonic high altitude surveillance planes or drones, I bet.
 
2018-02-25 02:45:15 AM  
I thought I'd said that, just now.
 
2018-02-25 03:02:56 AM  
 
2018-02-25 03:03:30 AM  
I could spot a Piper from 5 miles on a good day, but I still saw weird shiat in daylight.

/certified by never employed
//too many white males coming from outside training
 
2018-02-25 03:39:52 AM  
If there's anything a military pilot loves its an audience.

/Just sayin'
 
2018-02-25 03:58:55 AM  
That's wayweird. There isn't any special use airspace at that altitude in that area. But barely getting primaries, no transponder, no TCAS, and flying a well-traveled corridor during daylight? If it's some black bag op, it's a pretty big farkup to let all those pilots see it. But again, black bag or not, why the hell would you fly at airliner altitudes in busy airspace like that when there's all sorts of room to roam 50 miles to the east or west?

Something definitely does not add up. Even if they were farking around, it doesn't make sense to be seen like that. "Hey look, I've got a stealthy new airframe that everybody can see with their Mark I." So much for OpSec.

At best it lets the cat out of the bag. I don't want to know the at-worst.
 
2018-02-25 04:36:45 AM  

Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.


B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.
 
2018-02-25 05:00:53 AM  
I didn't listen to the entire thing but I wish they would give us something more than 'very fast'.
 
2018-02-25 06:51:13 AM  
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2018-02-25 08:06:21 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


Why white, though? And why FL370, unless they want us to know - but why risk an international incident. If they wanted a proof of stealth concept, there are plenty of places to do that where they wouldn't be seen. I'd think if they knew they were within visual range, they'd want to book it the hell out of there.
 
2018-02-25 08:21:07 AM  
Maybe just cynical but I tend to believe these things end up being test aircraft or some other covert activity. The alien life form is both unlikely statistically and very scary if you consider the tech they would have to have mastered in order to get here. At that point you just hope they moved up the evolutionary ladder by being loving and caring beings.
 
2018-02-25 08:43:14 AM  
And "Oops" isn't something you want to hear from the doctor with a scalpel cutting something off your body.  What should have been a tiny scar is now a 3 inch scar.
 
2018-02-25 08:47:50 AM  

JustSurfin: I'll just leave this here...

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/favorit​e-sr-71-story-1079127041


That was a fun story. Thanks!
 
2018-02-25 08:49:43 AM  

idrow: And "Oops" isn't something you want to hear from the doctor with a scalpel cutting something off your body.  What should have been a tiny scar is now a 3 inch scar.


The vasectomy thread was last night.
 
2018-02-25 08:53:16 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


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2018-02-25 09:03:22 AM  

GardenWeasel: idrow: And "Oops" isn't something you want to hear from the doctor with a scalpel cutting something off your body.  What should have been a tiny scar is now a 3 inch scar.

The vasectomy thread was last night.


If that was a vasectomy procedure he was doing, he would have really done an 'oops', considering I'm female. :)
 
OOF
2018-02-25 09:37:24 AM  
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2018-02-25 10:11:52 AM  

JustSurfin: I'll just leave this here...

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/favorit​e-sr-71-story-1079127041


Classic :-)
 
2018-02-25 10:14:25 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


Canadian.  Notice how it was headed North?  Sneaky buggers.

Maybe they had a problem and had to descend?
 
2018-02-25 10:16:16 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


Maybe it was one of these....

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2018-02-25 10:31:58 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.

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Per the speeds reported, it wasn't that.

And again, why get close to a bunch of airliners unless you want it to not be a secret anymore. And if you don't care if it's a secret, why not squawk, turn on TCAS, and communicate with the ARTCC when you're around all those airliners?

Sense, it makes none.
 
2018-02-25 10:39:29 AM  

Charlie Freak: Voiceofreason01: Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.

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Per the speeds reported, it wasn't that.

And again, why get close to a bunch of airliners unless you want it to not be a secret anymore. And if you don't care if it's a secret, why not squawk, turn on TCAS, and communicate with the ARTCC when you're around all those airliners?

Sense, it makes none.


Sense it makes none.

I will share an old proverb from my days as an active professional scientist.

"Bad evidence is no evidence."

/it's just that easy
 
2018-02-25 10:55:29 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: Any Pie Left: Seems likely a DOD black project on a mission or test flight. Maybe out of Hawthorn. Maybe out of Edwards.  I'm guessing a B-3 developmental prototype since it's known the Air Force is developing a B2 replacement. Or it could be Aurora or Black Horse or SR73.

B-21 prototype wouldn't be moving faster than F-15s, and it wouldn't be painted white. Aurora is an urban legend, Black Horse wasn't supposed to be that large (and I suspect evolved into the X-37B in any case).

My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


Aurora may have been an urban legend, but my mom heard it twice, and I saw it once.

It was amazingly real for a legend.
 
2018-02-25 11:05:45 AM  
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2018-02-25 11:54:03 AM  

Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.


Ehhhhh...I dunno about that. Estimated at 37kft and 750kts, if it was the PRC trying to take a look, they were epically farking it up. Double the altitude and speed and I'd be more convinced.
 
2018-02-25 11:58:48 AM  
Bad Things to Hear on an Aeroplane - Mock the Week - BBC Two
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2018-02-25 12:04:18 PM  
... or, your surgeon ...
 
2018-02-25 12:07:26 PM  

Kyoowashugi: Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.

Ehhhhh...I dunno about that. Estimated at 37kft and 750kts, if it was the PRC trying to take a look, they were epically farking it up. Double the altitude and speed and I'd be more convinced.


Exactly
 
2018-02-25 12:34:36 PM  
Thats just what they want you to believe.
 
2018-02-25 12:34:53 PM  

Kyoowashugi: Cry Hentai And Release The Tentacles of War!: My wild-ass guess is Chinese SR-71 equivalent. They should be able to do now what we were doing 60 years ago. It explains why it's not being talked about by the people who should know: they don't want the PRC to find out how much we know. Better to let a rumor circulate so they know they got detected, rather than intercept and let them know the specifics of how they were spotted and how we might shoot them down.

Ehhhhh...I dunno about that. Estimated at 37kft and 750kts, if it was the PRC trying to take a look, they were epically farking it up. Double the altitude and speed and I'd be more convinced.


Plus it's just too high risk. No country is going is going to "test" a military aircraft over the most heavily monitored and defended airspace in the world, especially when they don't know our full capabilities. If it got intercepted or shot down it would be a major international incident and provocation for retaliation.
 
2018-02-25 02:59:30 PM  
Air Traffic Controller: TWA 517 do you want to report a UFO, over? TWA 517 do you want to report a UFO, over?
TWAPilot: [over radio] Negative, we don't want to report.
Air Traffic Controller: Air East 31, do you wish to report a UFO, over?
AirEast Pilot: [over radio] Negative, we don't want to report one of those either.
Air Traffic Controller: Air East 31, do you wish to file a report of any kind to us?
AirEast Pilot: [over radio] I wouldn't know what kind of report to file, Center.
Air Traffic Controller: Uh Air East 31, uh, me neither.
 
2018-02-25 04:06:46 PM  

berylman: Give me the damn data....I don't make ramblings on top of ramblings.
/there is nothing here


Classic case of 'scientific fundamentalism'. Especially strong in the case of UFOs. Remember kiddies: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence'.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rise​-​scientific-fundamentalism
 
2018-02-25 04:08:41 PM  
I too would have appreciated some hard data. 'Very fast' referring to 1500 knots is not the same as 'very fast' going 7000... then making a 90-degree right turn like in the cartoons, in violation of every <ahem> fundamental law of physics.
 
2018-02-25 04:11:31 PM  

JustSurfin: I'll just leave this here...

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/favorit​e-sr-71-story-1079127041


Reminds me of another SR-71 thread where the exchange went like:

SR-71: requesting fl 70
ATC: if you can get up there it's yours (chuckling)
SR-71: Roger descending to 70
ATC: wait what
 
2018-02-25 04:11:38 PM  

Oreamnos: Air Traffic Controller: TWA 517 do you want to report a UFO, over? TWA 517 do you want to report a UFO, over?
TWAPilot: [over radio] Negative, we don't want to report.
Air Traffic Controller: Air East 31, do you wish to report a UFO, over?
AirEast Pilot: [over radio] Negative, we don't want to report one of those either.
Air Traffic Controller: Air East 31, do you wish to file a report of any kind to us?
AirEast Pilot: [over radio] I wouldn't know what kind of report to file, Center.
Air Traffic Controller: Uh Air East 31, uh, me neither.


747 pilot (wincing and shuddering): Jesus, did you see that? It could have hit us.
Co-pilot (mildly): No I didn't.
Pilot (getting himself together): Yeah, me neither.
 
2018-02-25 04:27:46 PM  
Washington
Air
National
Guard

/giggle
 
2018-02-25 05:00:46 PM  

SpeedyBB: berylman: Give me the damn data....I don't make ramblings on top of ramblings.
/there is nothing here

Classic case of 'scientific fundamentalism'. Especially strong in the case of UFOs. Remember kiddies: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence'.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/rise-​scientific-fundamentalism


There's plenty of data: a visually-identified aircraft keeping pace nearby two 737s in a busy traffic area. Not communicating, no transponder, very spurious primary radar hits. Nobody seems to know whose it was and it pretty much violates every ATC rule and SOP out there.

Now, to deduce:

It makes little sense that it was standard military because nobody in the WADS knew who it was, during and after.

It makes little sense that it was a black op because to fly in a NORDO or EMCON mode, but be within visual range during daylight, and along a busy air traffic corridor is the antithesis of black op. Unless, of course, somebody farked up, or is playing psyops.

It makes no sense that it was a weapons test because again, the WADS didn't know about it and (unmanned) weapons tests generally wouldn't fly that route and so close to and at the same altitude as airliners, especially in EMCON.

So sure, there's no evidence of what it actually was, but one can deduce plenty about what it wasn't, and how abnormal the whole thing is.
 
2018-02-25 05:05:05 PM  

JDJoeE: JustSurfin: I'll just leave this here...

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/favorit​e-sr-71-story-1079127041

Reminds me of another SR-71 thread where the exchange went like:

SR-71: requesting fl 70
ATC: if you can get up there it's yours (chuckling)
SR-71: Roger descending to 70
ATC: wait what


When I was a wee sprout, the ELINT Old Hands told stories of the "Habu" flights from Kadena during "Nam". (Way before my time, btw)

As they were riding around in EA-3B and EP-3s they could see the SR-71s cut straight across Vietnam and hear the ship to ship traffic. Since the ships had no idea what they were tracking, and the SR-71s never responded to hails, more than one US SAM was launched. Usually, the "bogey" would climb and accelerate and pretty much ignore the SAM otherwise. The people I talked to wouldn't have known, except they were all sharing the strip(s)  at Kadena.  And the O club.
 
2018-02-25 05:20:49 PM  
I still say, "someone" who wasn't supposed to be there (hence, no response to calls), who was "supposed" to be "stealth" (but not very good at it) and was having problems (so descended from normal altitude and going slower than they normally would).

China?  Russia?  Could be, but my money's still on Canada.
 
2018-02-25 05:45:44 PM  
large white plane moving 750kts (350mph) at 37k feet isn't something super fast or advanced. That is your typical airliner speed.

Sounds like it was around meteor lake and Kingsley Field Air Force Base is near there. So if I lived there I might look out the window once in awhile :)

Just today there was another story about Area 51 having an unmanned drone dogfighting with fighters.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5663087​/​us-airforce-jets-battle-ufo-aliens-are​a-51/

Weird things are afoot at the circle k my friend.
 
2018-02-25 07:36:49 PM  
So, people who would never trust the government to tell the truth are accusing the government of not telling the truth.
 
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