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2018-02-24 09:48:27 PM  
The Washington State Patrol, which is required by law to auction or trade most of its confiscated guns, traded a Colt .223-caliber AR-15 in 2014, an SKS assault rifle in 2012 and an AK-47 Russian assault rifle in 2014. They were then sold to the public.

Wait... they traded them and THEN sold them?? How does that work?
 
2018-02-24 09:59:12 PM  

fusillade762: The Washington State Patrol, which is required by law to auction or trade most of its confiscated guns, traded a Colt .223-caliber AR-15 in 2014, an SKS assault rifle in 2012 and an AK-47 Russian assault rifle in 2014. They were then sold to the public.

Wait... they traded them and THEN sold them?? How does that work?


They trade them for weapons the department needs such as Glocks, shotguns  or AR 15s that meet their criteria. These trades are done with a Federally licensed firearms dealer who then sells them in accordance with State and Federal law - 4472 filled out, Background Check, etc.
 
2018-02-24 10:08:40 PM  
Having these used guns on the market might depress sales of new ones. Won't someone think of the manufacturers?
 
2018-02-24 10:13:31 PM  
I don't see the problem.
 
2018-02-24 10:14:58 PM  
So then throw tn a crusher and auction them off to scrap dealers.
 
2018-02-24 10:36:25 PM  

Fingerware Error: Having these used guns on the market might depress sales of new ones. Won't someone think of the manufacturers?


The "Progressives" are, they are creating another sellers market for firearms
 
2018-02-24 10:42:32 PM  
*shrug.

If this outrages you, get Bloomberg or Feinstein or some other uber rich pricks to outbid everyone.

This is not where the fight is.
 
2018-02-24 10:45:36 PM  

The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.


Then you're part of it.
 
2018-02-24 10:47:21 PM  

Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.


Okay, pal.
 
2018-02-24 10:55:24 PM  

The_Sponge: Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.

Okay, pal.


This country has way too many guns.  A nation of 315 million people doesn't need 300 million guns, and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.  Accidents suicide and domestic violence are all more likely, in a house where a gun is present.   Why should police be forced to encourage that
 
2018-02-24 11:27:26 PM  

Magorn: and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.

Only if the owner is irresponsible or an idiot. I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.
 
2018-02-25 01:24:16 AM  
Ah! America: Land of the Free Legal Loophole
 
2018-02-25 01:25:36 AM  

simplicimus: Magorn: and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.
Only if the owner is irresponsible or an idiot. I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.


Statistics don't work that way.
 
2018-02-25 01:26:47 AM  

simplicimus: I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.


I forget which logical fallacy this is... anyone?
 
2018-02-25 01:29:37 AM  

dv-ous: simplicimus: Magorn: and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.
Only if the owner is irresponsible or an idiot. I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.

Statistics don't work that way.


I know, but how do you craft policy around irresponsible people? Maybe mandatory insurance?
 
2018-02-25 01:31:29 AM  

Magorn: The_Sponge: Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.

Okay, pal.

This country has way too many guns.  A nation of 315 million people doesn't need 300 million guns, and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.  Accidents suicide and domestic violence are all more likely, in a house where a gun is present.   Why should police be forced to encourage that


Made me think of this.

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2018-02-25 01:32:14 AM  

Azlefty: fusillade762: The Washington State Patrol, which is required by law to auction or trade most of its confiscated guns, traded a Colt .223-caliber AR-15 in 2014, an SKS assault rifle in 2012 and an AK-47 Russian assault rifle in 2014. They were then sold to the public.

Wait... they traded them and THEN sold them?? How does that work?

They trade them for weapons the department needs such as Glocks, shotguns  or AR 15s that meet their criteria. These trades are done with a Federally licensed firearms dealer who then sells them in accordance with State and Federal law - 4472 filled out, Background Check, etc.


I figured as much. I wonder if they put the trade requests as a bid process, that might be buried in some gov website.
 
2018-02-25 01:33:27 AM  
Libby Lib me wants to be outraged, but what they are doing is required by law and the weapons are legal. So.... I guess take it up with Washington legislature? Going after the state police is kinda stupid.
 
2018-02-25 01:34:22 AM  

dv-ous: simplicimus: Magorn: and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.
Only if the owner is irresponsible or an idiot. I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.

Statistics don't work that way.


Right. Statistics cannot legitimately be applied or extrapolated to any specific situation, only to an aggregate.

Really though I have a moral issue with including suicides with the accidents and abuse because I consider it a fundamental right for anyone to check out of life whenever they please.
 
2018-02-25 01:38:10 AM  
Ayup. I go to these auctions. Lots of shotguns, lots of Glocks. Picked up an unfired Spas12 for $800 at one. It's a great way for us dealers to make some money and the state gets a few 100k.
 
2018-02-25 01:42:39 AM  
16 guns in the house.
3 are AR varients.
The kids went through hunter safety classes and were on the trap and pistol teams in high school.
The wife and I have concealed-carry licenses.

0 deaths or murders.
 
2018-02-25 01:43:18 AM  
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2018-02-25 01:47:18 AM  

fickenchucker: 16 guns in the house.
3 are AR varients.
The kids went through hunter safety classes and were on the trap and pistol teams in high school.
The wife and I have concealed-carry licenses.

0 deaths or murders.


But the media says that being around a gun fills a person with rage and bloodlust. Therefore you are obviously lying about your murder count.
 
2018-02-25 01:56:55 AM  

fickenchucker: 16 guns in the house.
3 are AR varients.
The kids went through hunter safety classes and were on the trap and pistol teams in high school.
The wife and I have concealed-carry licenses.

0 deaths or murders.


Well there are 300+ million guns in the US, 20k firearm suicides, and 10k murders, so assuming each death is cause by a single gun, under .0001% of guns result in death. So, you're safe until you get close to owning around 10k guns.
 
2018-02-25 02:02:17 AM  
I am convinced that some folks actually think that if we could magically get rid of every private gun the murder rate would be drastically reduced if not eliminated. I suppose our police and government will protect us in that case. It will be just like they protected the kids in Florida when they didn't go in the school or when the reports to the FBI were ignored.
 
2018-02-25 02:04:24 AM  
Keep in mind, everyone, the Progressives are convinced that there is an evil magical aura that surrounds firearms that makes people in their vicinity turn wacko, and thus the evil guns need to be gotten rid of. It's part of what they like to call their "reality-based" polices.
 
2018-02-25 02:17:25 AM  
People who obsess over their gun collections are just children who never grew out of needing a security blanket.
 
2018-02-25 02:24:52 AM  

Orionblamblam: Keep in mind, everyone, the Progressives are convinced that there is an evil magical aura that surrounds firearms that makes people in their vicinity turn wacko, and thus the evil guns need to be gotten rid of. It's part of what they like to call their "reality-based" polices.


I agree, I bought my first rifle, a semi-automatic SKS 45 14 years ago. I'm still waiting for when that thing turns on me and starts telling me I need to kill people. Just like my father who's owned firearms for 30+ years and has never shot anyone. Or my grandfather who owned firearms all his life and never shot anyone. Or his father who owned firearms all his life, and I admit he did shoot some people, but they were Germans and it was during WW I. But he never shot anyone state-side.
 
2018-02-25 02:26:27 AM  

LordJiro: People who obsess over their gun collections are just children who never grew out of needing a security blanket.


Linus Van Pelt was pretty cool and mostly harmless.
 
2018-02-25 02:29:27 AM  

The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.


Someone must have shot your eye out.

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2018-02-25 02:32:45 AM  
I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.
 
2018-02-25 02:46:45 AM  

astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.


The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.
 
2018-02-25 02:52:47 AM  

simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.


Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.
 
2018-02-25 02:59:44 AM  

chrylis: simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.

Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.


I didn't know that.
 
2018-02-25 03:12:21 AM  
Just change the law and be done with it. This can be done easily and neatly in this instance. no 2nd amendment idiocy to get in the way.
 
2018-02-25 03:38:34 AM  

chrylis: simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.

Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.


I guess they changed it in South Dakota, the last time I checked they required a .240 or larger for deer hunting. Now they just state that it has to have over 1,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle for a rifle or 500 foot pounds of energy for a handgun. Which the .223 meets that requirement, but I still don't think it's a great idea; the .223 was designed for killing people, not deer. And for boar, yeah I wouldn't trust a .223 for that. I've heard of good results from the .300 and the 6.5 Creedmoor, but personally I've never found anything wrong with the .308. It just works.
 
2018-02-25 03:46:29 AM  
Wait, trade for them? I will start with this red paper clip.
 
2018-02-25 04:56:00 AM  

LordJiro: People who obsess over their gun collections are just children who never grew out of needing a security blanket.


I have a "Gun Collection" as you call it. I also live in the woods w/very large predators roaming around & the Deer population would explode w/out the hunting we do. (yummy too)
So suck it up pal there are some grown women who love guns & food on the table out in here in this US of A!!
 
2018-02-25 05:23:50 AM  
Meh. I trust these guns more in the hands of random citizens more than I do in police hands. Makes money for the state too.
 
2018-02-25 06:01:43 AM  

Vern: chrylis: simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.

Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.

I guess they changed it in South Dakota, the last time I checked they required a .240 or larger for deer hunting. Now they just state that it has to have over 1,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle for a rifle or 500 foot pounds of energy for a handgun. Which the .223 meets that requirement, but I still don't think it's a great idea; the .223 was designed for killing people, not deer. And for boar, yeah I wouldn't trust a .223 for that. I've heard of good results from the .300 and the 6.5 Creedmoor, but personally I've never found anything wrong with the .308. It just works.


No kidding. People who call the AR-15 "high powered" sound stupid.  My idiot aunt was blathering on about "high powered", semi-automatic rifles, but has no problems with my M-1 Garand and SKS, both of which are far more powerful than my AR-15, which she thinks should be banned.
 
2018-02-25 07:16:06 AM  

Vern: chrylis: simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.

Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.

I guess they changed it in South Dakota, the last time I checked they required a .240 or larger for deer hunting. Now they just state that it has to have over 1,000 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle for a rifle or 500 foot pounds of energy for a handgun. Which the .223 meets that requirement, but I still don't think it's a great idea; the .223 was designed for killing people, not deer. And for boar, yeah I wouldn't trust a .223 for that. I've heard of good results from the .300 and the 6.5 Creedmoor, but personally I've never found anything wrong with the .308. It just works.


.223 Remington was first released in the civilian market in 1963 in the Remington Model 760 Gamemaster, a year before it was adopted as the caliber for the M16.
 
2018-02-25 07:19:23 AM  

dv-ous: simplicimus: Magorn: and you are objectively less safe in a house with a gun.
Only if the owner is irresponsible or an idiot. I've guns for a while in a full house with no accidents, suicides or domestic violence.

Statistics don't work that way.


Statistics, huh? Like how if we include suicicides, there were ~32,592 gun deaths last year. Assuming one gun per death (obviously not true, but it will inflate the numbers), that gives a 0.01% chance a given firearm will kill somebody, or a rate of 10.2 deaths per 100,000 firearms. However, we have significantly more firearms than firearm owners, so if we assume one gun owner per death (again, just to inflate the numbers), we have a 0.05% chance a gun owner will kill somebody, or a rate of 47 per 100,000 gun owners.
 
2018-02-25 08:06:54 AM  

chrylis: simplicimus: astouffer: I wish they would ban the AR-15 just to show how statistically it would have zero effect on murder rates.

The only rational I've heard (that makes sense)is that an AR-15 is needed for hunting wild boars in Texas.

Dangerously underpowered for boar, and underpowered enough that it's even banned for deer in some jurisdictions on humane grounds.


The caliber of choice in Australia, Japan and the parts of the United States where wild boars are a serious issue is the 7.62x39, although the guys in Texas do tend towards the AR-15 as the rifle of choice.

Most of the Australian professional boar hunters use the SKS and actively hunt on quadrunners, open Jeeps and the like. There are some pretty good videos on YouTube. Some of those guys get 5 or 6 a day. Those boars are pretty much inedible. The meat apparently tastes like shiat and is not good for anything other than grinding up for dog food or predator feed in zoos.
 
2018-02-25 08:06:57 AM  
I can see not destroying some guns as they are rare, like one sheriff's deputy told me once (a long time ago) about getting a Colt Python that was seized rather than having it destroyed. I don't know how he managed that, but he did.

Isn't the initial sale of the gun the problem, not the resale? Things like Glocks and AR variants are now so commonplace that reselling the ones the police confiscate won't make much difference. In short, we need better controls on the initial sale.
 
2018-02-25 08:32:50 AM  

The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.


The cops are stealing guns to sell.  That's not a problem?
 
2018-02-25 08:36:17 AM  

Befuddled: I can see not destroying some guns as they are rare, like one sheriff's deputy told me once (a long time ago) about getting a Colt Python that was seized rather than having it destroyed. I don't know how he managed that, but he did.

Isn't the initial sale of the gun the problem, not the resale? Things like Glocks and AR variants are now so commonplace that reselling the ones the police confiscate won't make much difference. In short, we need better controls on the initial sale manufacture.


FTFY. At this point, there are hundreds of companies, large and small that are building on the AR, FN and AK platforms, and openly marketing their products on the lethality potential. Anyone with the knowledge, the willingness to go though the Federal paperwork and buy the CNC equipment necessary can start manufacturing them, and few companies have been denied the licensing to do so.

When the original semi-automatic rifles were being made, it was all done with manual machine tools which limited the ability to mass produce them. Now, CNC machines can be purchased second-hand for under $10,000 and tooled up for another $2 or $3 thousand. New CNC equipment can be purchased for less than $40 or $50 thousand per machine. The more expensive CNC machines can be set up to produce 400-500 pieces per day, per machine. The patents are expired and pretty much anyone can start manufacturing them once the paperwork is filled out. I have worked for a company in the past that milled both upper and lower AR receiver parts, as well as barrel shrouds for a certain customer and we were milling out 200 of each every week. That's in a company that had 15 employees.

Reverse engineer an already existing product with a CMM and anyone could be producing a couple hundred complete units per day with less than a hundred thousand dollar investment. Precision pre-rifled barrel stock can be purchased by the pound or the ton with virtually no limits on quantity. There are dozens of companies that make nothing but that rifle stock.

The Moonies own the manufacturers of one of the more popular modern brands of the old Thompson .45 and have expanded that line to include the 7.62x39, 9mm and .40 S&W. They actively market it as the modern "improved" version of the Chicago Typewriter.
 
2018-02-25 08:44:42 AM  
Of course. Washington needs a well armed population to fend off the next Rambo attack.
 
2018-02-25 08:50:01 AM  

Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.


Why, really?

I don't see a problem with it.

Those guns aren't illegal. . .they aren't contraband.  I know you'd love to just ban them, I know you're pushing hard in the media to demonize guns and gun owners. . .but those guns aren't illegal.

Selling off valuable seized items at auction is pretty typical.  Should we just crush confiscated cars instead of auctioning them off too?

Running around saying everyone who disagrees with them is "the problem", talking about banning guns and criminalizing gun owners is why nothing happens with gun control, because anti-gun fanatics basically make themselves a laughingstock with their over-the-top rhetoric.
 
2018-02-25 09:10:18 AM  

Silverstaff: Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.

Why, really?

I don't see a problem with it.

Those guns aren't illegal. . .they aren't contraband.  I know you'd love to just ban them, I know you're pushing hard in the media to demonize guns and gun owners. . .but those guns aren't illegal.

Selling off valuable seized items at auction is pretty typical.  Should we just crush confiscated cars instead of auctioning them off too?

Running around saying everyone who disagrees with them is "the problem", talking about banning guns and criminalizing gun owners is why nothing happens with gun control, because anti-gun fanatics basically make themselves a laughingstock with their over-the-top rhetoric.


That is an utterly idiotic statement. Cars are not designed with the specific intent and purpose to kill people. Firearms are.
 
2018-02-25 09:12:33 AM  

Deathfrogg: Silverstaff: Magorn: The_Sponge: I don't see the problem.

Then you're part of it.

Why, really?

I don't see a problem with it.

Those guns aren't illegal. . .they aren't contraband.  I know you'd love to just ban them, I know you're pushing hard in the media to demonize guns and gun owners. . .but those guns aren't illegal.

Selling off valuable seized items at auction is pretty typical.  Should we just crush confiscated cars instead of auctioning them off too?

Running around saying everyone who disagrees with them is "the problem", talking about banning guns and criminalizing gun owners is why nothing happens with gun control, because anti-gun fanatics basically make themselves a laughingstock with their over-the-top rhetoric.

That is an utterly idiotic statement. Cars are not designed with the specific intent and purpose to kill people. Firearms are.


That's a stupid argument. They still kill people.  By the thousands.  Just because it isn't supposed to kill people doesn't make them any less dead.
 
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