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2018-02-24 07:42:18 PM  
Bristol's Resident S**g

Brisol's Resident S***'

Bristol's Resident Slag


Love the totally random attempts at bleeping a completely innocuous word.
 
2018-02-24 07:47:31 PM  
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2018-02-24 07:52:07 PM  
I'd pay money to have Ru Paul read "Go the fark to Sleep."
 
2018-02-24 08:02:05 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I'd pay money to have Ru Paul read "Go the fark to Sleep."


You can have Samuel L. Jackson read it to you for free on the internet.

I'd have no problem with the drag queens.
The "adults" screaming that drag queens are only adult entertainers need to get out more.
 
2018-02-24 08:11:37 PM  
I read this as dairy Queen story and thought that giving out dilly bars might not be a good idea with books
 
2018-02-24 08:22:06 PM  
Drag queens are awesome. They are one of the things that make you realize that despite all its problems, this world really is a cool place.
 
2018-02-24 08:35:58 PM  

Madison_Smiled: Drag queens are awesome. They are one of the things that make you realize that despite all its problems, this world really is a cool place.


Indeed! Reminds me of this
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2018-02-24 08:39:18 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I'd pay money to have Ru Paul read "Go the fark to Sleep."


It would be a "Go the fark to Sleep" extravagaaaaanza darling.
 
2018-02-24 10:18:22 PM  
The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.
 
2018-02-24 10:38:01 PM  

deaccessioned: The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.


Not sure why we need to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of an entertainment niche. Are ticket sales slumping?
 
2018-02-24 10:43:04 PM  

Bumblefark: deaccessioned: The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.

Not sure why we need to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of an entertainment niche. Are ticket sales slumping?


You need to get out more.
 
2018-02-24 10:45:07 PM  
You can hear her say...

" Oh honey, you never wear Geranimals with Sesame Street socks..."
 
2018-02-24 10:46:11 PM  

lindalouwho: Bumblefark: deaccessioned: The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.

Not sure why we need to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of an entertainment niche. Are ticket sales slumping?

You need to get out more.


Apparently to a drag show. I hear their ticket sales are slumping.
 
2018-02-24 10:50:25 PM  

Bumblefark: deaccessioned: The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.

Not sure why we need to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of an entertainment niche. Are ticket sales slumping?


I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future. 
Transgender people are being killed at a record pace in U.S., advocacy groups say
 
2018-02-24 11:05:13 PM  

deaccessioned: Bumblefark: deaccessioned: The kids might learn tolerance, acceptance, and get some great tips on applying eyeliner. What's the problem?

Oh, I think I see the problem, and it's not the eyeliner tips.

Not sure why we need to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of an entertainment niche. Are ticket sales slumping?

I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.
Transgender people are being killed at a record pace in U.S., advocacy groups say


You know what I bet would really help the trans cause? Men dressing as women as a genre of comic entertainment.
 
2018-02-24 11:27:50 PM  

deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.


That seems to be muddying the issue.  Drag and trans are not really same thing.  And you certainly don't want to be telling 4 - 11 year olds about hate crimes and murders, that's way too heavy for little kids.  Maybe it will teach tolerance, maybe it won't.  I don't have much faith in that kind of social engineering argument, since the "engineers" are basically trying to play pool while wearing a blindfold.  And ear muffs.  And big fluffy mittens.

Which is not to say I disapprove, or care.  I'm not against this at all, but I think most little kids are going to interpret drag performers pretty much the same way I did as a kid.  They're going to mistake them for clowns.  Little kids can't tell the difference between camp and clownish.  

I don't think this kind of thing is going to make kids gay or make kids tolerate gays or trans or whatever.  Mostly I think it's going to make kids go "That man is wearing a dress and being silly! I find that incongruous and my little tiny brain is overwhelmed!"  Because, you know, kids are not deep.
 
2018-02-25 12:00:05 AM  
Why next they'll have stories being read by stamp enthusiasts!  And Bronies!  And NEGROES!  Who in the 7 layers of homogenized hoopla hades gives a flying fark!?
 
2018-02-25 12:05:54 AM  
Let's review:

Calling women sluts = sexist
Parodic costumes of social groups = hateful
Costumed man parodizing women as "Bristol's Resident Slag" = progressive

/yeah no I think we're maybe gonna need to figure out how to explain this to future generations
//because they ARE gonna have a question or two
 
2018-02-25 12:14:38 AM  

skepticultist: deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.

That seems to be muddying the issue.  Drag and trans are not really same thing.  And you certainly don't want to be telling 4 - 11 year olds about hate crimes and murders, that's way too heavy for little kids.  Maybe it will teach tolerance, maybe it won't.  I don't have much faith in that kind of social engineering argument, since the "engineers" are basically trying to play pool while wearing a blindfold.  And ear muffs.  And big fluffy mittens.

Which is not to say I disapprove, or care.  I'm not against this at all, but I think most little kids are going to interpret drag performers pretty much the same way I did as a kid.  They're going to mistake them for clowns.  Little kids can't tell the difference between camp and clownish.

I don't think this kind of thing is going to make kids gay or make kids tolerate gays or trans or whatever.  Mostly I think it's going to make kids go "That man is wearing a dress and being silly! I find that incongruous and my little tiny brain is overwhelmed!"  Because, you know, kids are not deep.


The original question I responded to was why we needed to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of drag queens (or "an entertainment niche" as it was originally phrased). And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952 (gay panic is a legal defense for murder in a lot of states still). I say public identify because it's just not safe to be out and trans in a lot of places, but drag queens are "entertainment" and viewed as safer.

So maybe drag queen story time helps the kids, maybe it doesn't, I can't be bothered to do a research dive on child cognitive development on a Saturday night, but the kids will talk to their parents, and the parents on the fence might decide that "Hey, wait a minute, if a drag queen can be around my kid without assaulting them, maybe these bathroom laws about trans people and other discrimination are B.S." Is it up there in terms of impact with with making the gay panic defense illegal, funding services like Trans Lifeline, or lifting some of the restrictions on medical care related to transitioning? Nope, but I'll take the little victories I can get while we work towards the big ones, until someone shows me this makes things worse.
 
2018-02-25 12:54:44 AM  

deaccessioned: And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952


It's not a gender identity, it's a performance. An ugly, caricatured performance, rife with exactly the sort of ignorance and antipathies one might expect of a style of comedy that, historically, was largely developed by and for men who....eh, weren't really all that into women.

("OMG DID YOU JUST SUGGEST THAT GAY MEN, ESPECIALLY PRE-LBGTBBQ, WHEN DRAG WAS STILL EMERGING, MIGHT NOT EXACTLY HAVE BEEN A HOTBED OF FEMINIST THOUGHT?!" I did. They had their own shiat to worry about.)

Once upon a time, minstrel shows were the closest thing some white folks got to black entertainers. Do you think that fostered racial harmony? Personally, I don't need my daughter taking lessons on tolerance from "Bristol's Resident Slag" -- some sorry, attention-starved prick playing her gender for laughs. If the lesson is LGBT acceptance, maybe find somebody that is actually L, G, B or T...for realsies, and not for show.
 
2018-02-25 09:13:22 AM  

deaccessioned: skepticultist: deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.

That seems to be muddying the issue.  Drag and trans are not really same thing.  And you certainly don't want to be telling 4 - 11 year olds about hate crimes and murders, that's way too heavy for little kids.  Maybe it will teach tolerance, maybe it won't.  I don't have much faith in that kind of social engineering argument, since the "engineers" are basically trying to play pool while wearing a blindfold.  And ear muffs.  And big fluffy mittens.

Which is not to say I disapprove, or care.  I'm not against this at all, but I think most little kids are going to interpret drag performers pretty much the same way I did as a kid.  They're going to mistake them for clowns.  Little kids can't tell the difference between camp and clownish.

I don't think this kind of thing is going to make kids gay or make kids tolerate gays or trans or whatever.  Mostly I think it's going to make kids go "That man is wearing a dress and being silly! I find that incongruous and my little tiny brain is overwhelmed!"  Because, you know, kids are not deep.

The original question I responded to was why we needed to be teaching tolerance and acceptance of drag queens (or "an entertainment niche" as it was originally phrased). And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952 (gay panic is a legal defense for murder in a lot of states still). I say public identify because it's just not safe to be out and trans in a lot of places, but drag queens are "entertainment" and viewed as safer.

So maybe drag queen story time helps the kids, maybe it doesn't, I can't be bothered to do a research dive on child cognitive development on a Saturday night, but the kids will talk to their parents, and the parents on the fence might decide that "Hey, wait a minute, if a drag queen can be around my kid without assaulting them, maybe these bathroom laws about trans people and other discrimination are B.S." Is it up there in terms of impact with with making the gay panic defense illegal, funding services like Trans Lifeline, or lifting some of the restrictions on medical care related to transitioning? Nope, but I'll take the little victories I can get while we work towards the big ones, until someone shows me this makes things worse.


I hate to rain on your parade but if you live in "shiat kicker heaven" those good ol boys will be happier to fark a cow than accept trans or drag queens as anything normal or acceptable.
 
2018-02-25 09:18:55 AM  

Bumblefark: deaccessioned: And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952

It's not a gender identity, it's a performance. An ugly, caricatured performance, rife with exactly the sort of ignorance and antipathies one might expect of a style of comedy that, historically, was largely developed by and for men who....eh, weren't really all that into women.

("OMG DID YOU JUST SUGGEST THAT GAY MEN, ESPECIALLY PRE-LBGTBBQ, WHEN DRAG WAS STILL EMERGING, MIGHT NOT EXACTLY HAVE BEEN A HOTBED OF FEMINIST THOUGHT?!" I did. They had their own shiat to worry about.)

Once upon a time, minstrel shows were the closest thing some white folks got to black entertainers. Do you think that fostered racial harmony? Personally, I don't need my daughter taking lessons on tolerance from "Bristol's Resident Slag" -- some sorry, attention-starved prick playing her gender for laughs. If the lesson is LGBT acceptance, maybe find somebody that is actually L, G, B or T...for realsies, and not for show.


Drag queens piss me right the fark off. It's not okay to parody my gender because you're uncomfortable with yours.

There. I said it.
 
2018-02-25 10:02:11 AM  

Unikitty: Bumblefark: deaccessioned: And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952

It's not a gender identity, it's a performance. An ugly, caricatured performance, rife with exactly the sort of ignorance and antipathies one might expect of a style of comedy that, historically, was largely developed by and for men who....eh, weren't really all that into women.

("OMG DID YOU JUST SUGGEST THAT GAY MEN, ESPECIALLY PRE-LBGTBBQ, WHEN DRAG WAS STILL EMERGING, MIGHT NOT EXACTLY HAVE BEEN A HOTBED OF FEMINIST THOUGHT?!" I did. They had their own shiat to worry about.)

Once upon a time, minstrel shows were the closest thing some white folks got to black entertainers. Do you think that fostered racial harmony? Personally, I don't need my daughter taking lessons on tolerance from "Bristol's Resident Slag" -- some sorry, attention-starved prick playing her gender for laughs. If the lesson is LGBT acceptance, maybe find somebody that is actually L, G, B or T...for realsies, and not for show.

Drag queens piss me right the fark off. It's not okay to parody my gender because you're uncomfortable with yours.

There. I said it.


Depends on the queen. Sometimes they're not mocking your gender but instead your gender's roles.
 
2018-02-25 10:18:22 AM  

wellreadneck: Unikitty: Bumblefark: deaccessioned: And while trans and drag queens are not the same thing, around here (the part of the country colloquially known as "shiat kicker heaven") drag queens might well be the only exposure people get to a person whose public gender identity wouldn't fit right in at the Dewdrop Inn circa 1952

It's not a gender identity, it's a performance. An ugly, caricatured performance, rife with exactly the sort of ignorance and antipathies one might expect of a style of comedy that, historically, was largely developed by and for men who....eh, weren't really all that into women.

("OMG DID YOU JUST SUGGEST THAT GAY MEN, ESPECIALLY PRE-LBGTBBQ, WHEN DRAG WAS STILL EMERGING, MIGHT NOT EXACTLY HAVE BEEN A HOTBED OF FEMINIST THOUGHT?!" I did. They had their own shiat to worry about.)

Once upon a time, minstrel shows were the closest thing some white folks got to black entertainers. Do you think that fostered racial harmony? Personally, I don't need my daughter taking lessons on tolerance from "Bristol's Resident Slag" -- some sorry, attention-starved prick playing her gender for laughs. If the lesson is LGBT acceptance, maybe find somebody that is actually L, G, B or T...for realsies, and not for show.

Drag queens piss me right the fark off. It's not okay to parody my gender because you're uncomfortable with yours.

There. I said it.

Depends on the queen. Sometimes they're not mocking your gender but instead your gender's roles.


That actually makes it worse.
 
2018-02-25 10:42:08 AM  

Unikitty: deaccessioned: skepticultist: deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.

<SNIPPED  A LOT>
I hate to rain on your parade but if you live in "shiat kicker heaven" those good ol boys will be happier to fark a cow than accept trans or drag queens as anything normal or acceptable.

Your feelings are valid, and I'm not here to convince you that you should like drag queens. This program is clearly a big nope for you. If someone tries to implement it in my community, I am willing to talk about it and try to find studies that show if it has an overall positive or negative effect (although as noted above that's a really hard thing to study). I would hope that the voices of the (very small) trans community in my area would also be a part of that discussion, just as I hope that your voice would be heard in your community.

And I hate to rain on your parade, but have a good day. Live your best life. I hope it's long and full of happiness. You too Bumblefark, you've both given me more to think about regarding how this would impact trans people on the individual level, as opposed to the more mass CIS population level I was thinking of. And since I mostly just comment on the occasional book thread and urge people to ditch their banks for credit unions here, this is a heavier conversation than I feel like continuing. Later taters, I'm back to lurking.
 
2018-02-25 11:22:12 AM  

deaccessioned: Unikitty: deaccessioned: skepticultist: deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.
<SNIPPED  A LOT>
I hate to rain on your parade but if you live in "shiat kicker heaven" those good ol boys will be happier to fark a cow than accept trans or drag queens as anything normal or acceptable.

Your feelings are valid, and I'm not here to convince you that you should like drag queens. This program is clearly a big nope for you. If someone tries to implement it in my community, I am willing to talk about it and try to find studies that show if it has an overall positive or negative effect (although as noted above that's a really hard thing to study). I would hope that the voices of the (very small) trans community in my area would also be a part of that discussion, just as I hope that your voice would be heard in your community.

And I hate to rain on your parade, but have a good day. Live your best life. I hope it's long and full of happiness. You too Bumblefark, you've both given me more to think about regarding how this would impact trans people on the individual level, as opposed to the more mass CIS population level I was thinking of. And since I mostly just comment on the occasional book thread and urge people to ditch their banks for credit unions here, this is a heavier conversation than I feel like continuing. Later taters, I'm back to lurking.


Tolerance is the key. I don't dislike the person, just what they are doing. I may not like what people in drag are doing or why they're doing it but it doesn't mean I'm going to mow them down with my car in a crosswalk or shoot them up at a festival where they get down with their friends. Or encourage sexual assault or murder. That's just wrong. On every level. (I say this because I understand it's a real and justified fear in the LGBT community.)

Why can't the person just read the story and it not be about cross-dressing or being trans? If you want to normalize something you have to stop pointing out the differences. It's like the Black Girls Code program. Why isn't it just "Girls Who Code"? Why exclude Latinas, Asians, Hispanics, (and white girls)?

We have a long, long way to go as humans. That much I think we all know. I appreciate your thoughts as you've also given me a few things to think about.
 
2018-02-25 11:35:58 AM  

loonatic112358: I read this as dairy Queen story and thought that giving out dilly bars might not be a good idea with books


Saying you are going to dilly some students may not go over well.
 
2018-02-25 11:57:53 AM  

Unikitty: deaccessioned: Unikitty: deaccessioned: skepticultist: deaccessioned: I don't know about ticket sales, but people are being murdered for being trans. Personally I consider that a problem, and having kids spend time around drag queens might help with that in the future.
<SNIPPED  A LOT>
I hate to rain on your parade but if you live in "shiat kicker heaven" those good ol boys will be happier to fark a cow than accept trans or drag queens as anything normal or acceptable.

Your feelings are valid, and I'm not here to convince you that you should like drag queens. This program is clearly a big nope for you. If someone tries to implement it in my community, I am willing to talk about it and try to find studies that show if it has an overall positive or negative effect (although as noted above that's a really hard thing to study). I would hope that the voices of the (very small) trans community in my area would also be a part of that discussion, just as I hope that your voice would be heard in your community.

And I hate to rain on your parade, but have a good day. Live your best life. I hope it's long and full of happiness. You too Bumblefark, you've both given me more to think about regarding how this would impact trans people on the individual level, as opposed to the more mass CIS population level I was thinking of. And since I mostly just comment on the occasional book thread and urge people to ditch their banks for credit unions here, this is a heavier conversation than I feel like continuing. Later taters, I'm back to lurking.

Tolerance is the key. I don't dislike the person, just what they are doing. I may not like what people in drag are doing or why they're doing it but it doesn't mean I'm going to mow them down with my car in a crosswalk or shoot them up at a festival where they get down with their friends. Or encourage sexual assault or murder. That's just wrong. On every level. (I say this because I understand it's a real and justified fear in the LGBT community.)

Why can't the person just read the story and it not be about cross-dressing or being trans? If you want to normalize something you have to stop pointing out the differences. It's like the Black Girls Code program. Why isn't it just "Girls Who Code"? Why exclude Latinas, Asians, Hispanics, (and white girls)?

We have a long, long way to go as humans. That much I think we all know. I appreciate your thoughts as you've also given me a few things to think about.


Did you just read what you posted? That is offensive. You are basically asking people who like dressing in woman's clothes and who feel good about themselves, to stop doing what they like.

You know there is a segament of the gay movement that doesn't want us to show our transvestite members, but wants us to hide them away ashamed, because now that they have done all the heavy lifting to get us to this point we need to be just like straight people.

The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them.  What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it.
 
2018-02-25 12:31:26 PM  
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2018-02-25 01:32:13 PM  
I really couldn't care less about the community's issues with not accepting certain members. That's not my problem. That's their problem.

Do you know what is offensive though? Seeing a man dress up in a cartoonish way and pretend that he knows fark all about being a woman. That's pretty damn offensive. Professional drag queens that don't crossdress in their everyday lives are the worst. It's just fun and games to them. Being a woman sucks and if you think they shouldn't sympathize with us as minorities on this then that just makes me sad. The LGBT community was treated even worse than we are. But hey, I guess what's that saying? "Punch up". Women had it slightly better so why not drag them down (pun intended).

Be a transsexual, be a transvestite, be gay, straight or bi. I don't care. But, don't imitate and parody a group of people that were and ARE still treated as second-class citizens just to entertain and get jollies from an audience. That's what's offensive.

Teaching children tolerance about the differences between people is fair. It's kind. It's nice. It's the right thing to do and there are many ways to do it without donning 8" heels, loud clothing, and garish makeup.
 
2018-02-25 04:35:44 PM  
What that says to me is that no parents volunteered.
 
2018-02-25 04:44:05 PM  

Billy Liar: What that says to me is that no parents volunteered.


It sounds to me like the headmaster got wind of a successfully run program at another school and leapt before he looked. He handled it poorly by not disclosing which queens in specific were going to be reading to the children and then saying a child would have an unexcused absence for the entire day if the parents objected. Threatening parents with an unexcused absence on a child's record can be enough to cause outrage. It could mean the difference between passing and failing a grade. (It is here any way.)

He handled this very badly.
 
2018-02-25 05:12:38 PM  

loonatic112358: I read this as dairy Queen story and thought that giving out dilly bars might not be a good idea with books


Lactose-intolerant, y'know...
 
2018-02-25 06:58:41 PM  

punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it


Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies
 
2018-02-25 07:41:06 PM  

Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies


I think I love you.
 
2018-02-25 08:11:03 PM  

Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies


Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.
 
2018-02-25 08:14:42 PM  

punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.


Had to go there? Couldn't come up with a good rebuttal, you had to immediately attack and hit on political leanings? I'd say you lost.
 
2018-02-25 08:23:48 PM  
Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.
 
2018-02-25 08:25:48 PM  

punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.


Word.
 
2018-02-25 08:36:15 PM  

Unikitty: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

I think I love you.


Cheers ;)

punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.


I'll have you know, my sick perverted fantasies are considerably more questionable than slipping on the occasional pair of lacy thigh-highs.

You're the one gesturing at transvestism, as if that were the same thing as drag. Just covering all the bases -- if they're plain old cross-dressers, they don't need to be in drag, and if they're fetishists, they don't need to be there at all. Doesn't seem like that should've been a difficult point to grasp :/
 
2018-02-25 08:47:17 PM  

punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.


Oh keep digging. That's not what I said.
 
2018-02-25 08:50:08 PM  

Bumblefark: Unikitty: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

I think I love you.

Cheers ;)

punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.

I'll have you know, my sick perverted fantasies are considerably more questionable than slipping on the occasional pair of lacy thigh-highs.

You're the one gesturing at transvestism, as if that were the same thing as drag. Just covering all the bases -- if they're plain old cross-dressers, they don't need to be in drag, and if they're fetishists, they don't need to be there at all. Doesn't seem like that should've been a difficult point to grasp :/


What if they just like wearing women's clothes, shouldn't they be allowed to wear what they want without getting harassed or worse?

Why is tolerance for others so difficult a concept for you?
 
2018-02-25 08:50:56 PM  
Ok. Fine. Say it's not drag queens reading to the kids. Say it's a troupe of burlesque dancers with their corsets pushing their tits up to their necks in lacy stockings and high heels.

Is that okay?
 
2018-02-25 08:51:29 PM  

punkwrestler: Bumblefark: Unikitty: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

I think I love you.

Cheers ;)

punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's ...


Why are you continuing to put two completely different issues in the same pot?
 
2018-02-25 08:56:08 PM  

Unikitty: punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.

Oh keep digging. That's not what I said.


Don't need to keep digging that was essentially what you meant. Same arguments so have been hearing for a long time if you don't act, dress, do the same as us then you don't deserve to be tolerated.

Would you object to someone who wears a hijab doing a reading lesson? What about a Catholic Priest? Or is it only those that don't conform to what society expects that you don't like?

You still haven't given a good reason why this group shouldn't be doing what they are doing, besides your insecurities. I guess you could hate reading and things that make classes interesting for the students.
 
2018-02-25 08:58:53 PM  

punkwrestler: Unikitty: punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.

Oh keep digging. That's not what I said.

Don't need to keep digging that was essentially what you meant. Same arguments so have been hearing for a long time if you don't act, dress, do the same as us then you don't deserve to be tolerated.

Would you object to someone who wears a hijab doing a reading lesson? What about a Catholic Priest? Or is it only those that don't conform to what society expects that you don't like?

You still haven't given a good reason why this group shouldn't be doing what they are doing, besides your insecurities. I guess you could hate reading and things that make classes interesting for the students.


You are being farking ridiculous. Since when is drag a farking religion?
 
2018-02-25 09:03:46 PM  

punkwrestler: punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.

I'll have you know, my sick perverted fantasies are considerably more questionable than slipping on the occasional pair of lacy thigh-highs.

You're the one gesturing at transvestism, as if that were the same thing as drag. Just covering all the bases -- if they're plain old cross-dressers, they don't need to be in drag, and if they're fetishists, they don't need to be there at all. Doesn't seem like that should've been a difficult point to grasp :/

What if they just like wearing women's clothes, shouldn't they be allowed to wear what they want without getting harassed or worse?

Why is tolerance for others so difficult a concept for you?


Point out where I'm saying that men who "just like wearing women's clothes" shouldn't be welcome.

My issue is specifically with drag queens, specifically in the role of teaching small children about tolerance. The left still really doesn't want to admit it, but yeah -- there's lots of stuff about drag that is, as the kids on Tumblr would say, "problematic." LGBT can find a better spokesperson than "Bristol's Resident Slag."
 
2018-02-25 09:05:20 PM  

Unikitty: punkwrestler: Unikitty: punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.

Oh keep digging. That's not what I said.

Don't need to keep digging that was essentially what you meant. Same arguments so have been hearing for a long time if you don't act, dress, do the same as us then you don't deserve to be tolerated.

Would you object to someone who wears a hijab doing a reading lesson? What about a Catholic Priest? Or is it only those that don't conform to what society expects that you don't like?

You still haven't given a good reason why this group shouldn't be doing what they are doing, besides your insecurities. I guess you could hate reading and things that make classes interesting for the students.

You are being farking ridiculous. Since when is drag a farking religion?


Religion is a choice drag is a choice they are equal. Except drag performers aren't kiddy diddlers like the Catholic Priest. So they are actually safer than religious people.

I guess we hit the nail on the head you are just against people who don't conform to what society expects.You sound exactly like the jerks that were teaching these kids. Never encourage them to be themselves, just punish them if they don't conform.
Here is the story I am talking about:
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go​.​com/amp/US/eighth-grade-shooting-larry​-king-brandon-mcinerney-boys/story%3fi​d=14666577
 
2018-02-25 09:10:26 PM  

Bumblefark: punkwrestler: punkwrestler: Bumblefark: punkwrestler: The object of the lesson is tolerance. Them coming to the reading dressed as normals wouldn't have any impact, their teachers give that to them all the time. The hope of the whole spectacle of seeing the drag queens looking fabulous might make an impression on them. What would be the point of them doing it if they couldn't be themselves while doing it

Yeah no, drag isn't the same as transvestism, either. If Bob wants to show up in his nicest Sunday muumuu to read Red Fish Blue Fish to the kids, because that makes Bob more comfortable, eh...more power to Bob. If Bob wants to camp it up as the town slag for laughs and lulz, welp -- Bob's festering mommy issues really aren't my 6 year old daughter's concern.

/and if it's a fetish thing, I would hope it wouldn't need to be explained to Bob that small children really don't need to be validating his sexual kink any more than they should be learning to celebrate Ralph's BBC cuckold fantasies

Because tolerating someone who is different is a bad thing right Mr. Trump.

No one saI'd anything about fetish, that is your sick perverted fantasy projections.
Well at least we know who the trump supporters are.

I'll have you know, my sick perverted fantasies are considerably more questionable than slipping on the occasional pair of lacy thigh-highs.

You're the one gesturing at transvestism, as if that were the same thing as drag. Just covering all the bases -- if they're plain old cross-dressers, they don't need to be in drag, and if they're fetishists, they don't need to be there at all. Doesn't seem like that should've been a difficult point to grasp :/

What if they just like wearing women's clothes, shouldn't they be allowed to wear what they want without getting harassed or worse?

Why is tolerance for others so difficult a concept for you?

Point out where I'm saying that men who "just like wearing women's clothes" shouldn't be welcome.

My issue is specifically with drag queens, specifically in the role of teaching small children about tolerance. The left still really doesn't want to admit it, but yeah -- there's lots of stuff about drag that is, as the kids on Tumblr would say, "problematic." LGBT can find a better spokesperson than "Bristol's Resident Slag."


Actually no there really isn't a problem with drag performers except from those who are biased.

Why is it problematic to be different? The point is sending people who are different than the norm so they get use to people who are different? If it wasn't for the drag queens we wouldn't have a gay rights movement, all those stuffed shirts weren't out there putting themselves on the line until it was safe to do so.
 
2018-02-25 09:10:59 PM  

punkwrestler: Unikitty: punkwrestler: Unikitty: punkwrestler: Sorry I believe in treating people equally. If you don't that is on you.

Course you revealed how you roll when you talked about "Black girls code program", because FSM forgive that different groups need things that empower those groups and maybe not everything is about you.

Course you wouldn't know what it's like to be chased down and beaten up or killed because they acted differently.

Since some people are different do you think as long as they aren't hurting anyone else they should be tolerated, and respected as individuals or should they be beaten down or perhaps killed.

So ask yourself why you hate people who aren't like you.

Oh keep digging. That's not what I said.

Don't need to keep digging that was essentially what you meant. Same arguments so have been hearing for a long time if you don't act, dress, do the same as us then you don't deserve to be tolerated.

Would you object to someone who wears a hijab doing a reading lesson? What about a Catholic Priest? Or is it only those that don't conform to what society expects that you don't like?

You still haven't given a good reason why this group shouldn't be doing what they are doing, besides your insecurities. I guess you could hate reading and things that make classes interesting for the students.

You are being farking ridiculous. Since when is drag a farking religion?

Religion is a choice drag is a choice they are equal. Except drag performers aren't kiddy diddlers like the Catholic Priest. So they are actually safer than religious people.

I guess we hit the nail on the head you are just against people who don't conform to what society expects.You sound exactly like the jerks that were teaching these kids. Never encourage them to be themselves, just punish them if they don't conform.
Here is the story I am talking about:
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.​com/amp/US/eighth-grade-shooting-larry​-king-brandon-mcinerney-boys/story%3fi​d=14666577


You know fark all about me and who I am. I myself have a non-conformist job. So you can go fark yourself.
 
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