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(Chicago Trib)   Canadian woman's hockey team member Canadianly responds to medal-removal controversy   ( chicagotribune.com) divider line
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2018-02-23 12:35:36 AM  
I love it when people do things on international TV that represent their values try to claim that what they did doesn't represent their values.
 
2018-02-23 12:39:03 AM  
Hey at least she was up on the podium. Hillary Clinton sent John Podesta out to tell everyone to go home.
 
2018-02-23 12:40:09 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I love it when people do things on international TV that represent their values try to claim that what they did doesn't represent their values.


As much as taking off her silver was a sportsmanship faux pas, I'm going to cut her some slack. I'd be pretty butthurt in that moment too.
 
2018-02-23 12:59:42 AM  
She looks familiar.

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2018-02-23 01:04:40 AM  

doyner: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I love it when people do things on international TV that represent their values try to claim that what they did doesn't represent their values.

As much as taking off her silver was a sportsmanship faux pas, I'm going to cut her some slack. I'd be pretty butthurt in that moment too.


I get it. Everyone makes mistakes. All I'm saying is drop the crisis management 101 playbook and put a little effort into your apology. I guess that could be directed at Team Canada's PR folks, though. From that article, it's not really clear who really wrote that statement.
 
2018-02-23 03:04:34 AM  
The actual difference in quality between the two teams was less than a fingernail but one team exalts, the other team is in tears.
 
2018-02-23 05:39:16 AM  
Forced apologies are so meaningful.
 
2018-02-23 06:03:38 AM  
You'd think a Canadian would be better at apologizing.
 
2018-02-23 06:30:19 AM  
Wasnt everyone given the Americans crap in Sochi when they received silver?
 
2018-02-23 06:32:51 AM  

Snapper Carr: You'd think a Canadian would be better at apologizing.


She seemed sore-y/not sore-y
 
2018-02-23 07:37:26 AM  
She shouldn't have apologized.
 
2018-02-23 08:02:55 AM  
Canadian apology for Canadian apology in 5...4...3..oh look, poutine!
 
2018-02-23 08:13:25 AM  
I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.
 
2018-02-23 08:35:38 AM  
The only thing that surprises me about this 'controversy' is that TSN hasn't speculated on how it will affect the Maple Leafs.
 
2018-02-23 08:38:49 AM  
She went to Tim Horton's?

/and fixed the cable
 
2018-02-23 08:51:40 AM  
I don't have a problem with her actions at all. To her, in the heat of the moment, it was a Participation Ribbon. It's not like she flung it into the crowd.
 
2018-02-23 08:53:51 AM  

Kurohone: The only thing that surprises me about this 'controversy' is that TSN hasn't speculated on how it will affect the Maple Leafs.


She has a Quebecois name, so TSN is being sensitive. In case it affects the Maple Leafs.
 
2018-02-23 09:12:36 AM  

squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.


I' not outraged, but it was immediate, she did yank it off.
 
2018-02-23 09:30:24 AM  

lindalouwho: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

I' not outraged, but it was immediate, she did yank it off.


Look at the video, no yanking. She calmly removed it.
 
2018-02-23 09:31:12 AM  
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2018-02-23 09:36:03 AM  

squidloe: lindalouwho: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

I' not outraged, but it was immediate, she did yank it off.

Look at the video, no yanking. She calmly removed it.


Being that it was immediate, sudden - yank.

We'll just agree to disagree  ;)
 
2018-02-23 10:01:50 AM  
This is why I'd never want to be anywhere near the public eye - the public are generally self-important morons that mindlessly and semantically parse other people's smallest actions to look for outrage without granting the benefit of the doubt they'd scream they deserved if the tables were reversed.

As an American, I don't care what she did with her medal. It's hers. Her feelings are hers. She owes no one an explanation. I really simply just hope that in time, she comes to appreciate her (and her team's) accomplishment.
 
2018-02-23 10:12:35 AM  

Snapper Carr: You'd think a Canadian would be better at apologizing.


Nah, it's the typical Canadian pretend apology, forced as a matter of polite society and generally without any real meaning behind it.
 
2018-02-23 10:17:50 AM  

ChrisDe: I don't have a problem with her actions at all. To her, in the heat of the moment, it was a Participation Ribbon. It's not like she flung it into the crowd.


The FIns would have gladly traded places with her.
It's called being UNGRATEFUL, and people who "don't have a problem with it" are the reason the world is so farked.
 
2018-02-23 10:39:41 AM  

fastfxr: ChrisDe: I don't have a problem with her actions at all. To her, in the heat of the moment, it was a Participation Ribbon. It's not like she flung it into the crowd.

The FIns would have gladly traded places with her.
It's called being UNGRATEFUL, and people who "don't have a problem with it" are the reason the world is so farked.


Dude-- heat of the moment, some people get heated.  It's not enough evidence to associate with some enormous world-spanning decay.
 
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2018-02-23 10:51:47 AM  
So much for the honour of country and the glory of sport. You can just chalk any sort of behavior up to "heat of the moment" and expect a pass.
 
2018-02-23 10:59:43 AM  

fastfxr: ChrisDe: I don't have a problem with her actions at all. To her, in the heat of the moment, it was a Participation Ribbon. It's not like she flung it into the crowd.

The FIns would have gladly traded places with her.


Impossible. To trade places with her, they'd have to have beaten the Americans too.
 
2018-02-23 11:03:46 AM  
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Between that outfit and flying through the air like Super Girl, that's some interesting hockey, eh?
 
2018-02-23 11:04:05 AM  
I'd be pissed if the US basketball team (men or women) didn't do this. No, don't rip it off, don't throw it into the crowd. But at a certain point, silver is a disgrace, and Canadian hockey is that level.
 
2018-02-23 11:04:58 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I love it when people do things on international TV that represent their values try to claim that what they did doesn't represent their values.


You're talking personal and not national values, right.
 
2018-02-23 11:09:14 AM  
Well, this is how children react when they feel they are entitled to something and don't get it.
 
2018-02-23 11:14:58 AM  

lindalouwho: squidloe: lindalouwho: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

I' not outraged, but it was immediate, she did yank it off.

Look at the video, no yanking. She calmly removed it.

Being that it was immediate, sudden - yank.

We'll just agree to disagree  ;)


No, she's a Canadian. She lost to the Yanks.
 
2018-02-23 11:15:18 AM  

mrsleep: Well, this is how children react when they feel they are entitled to earnedsomething and don't get it.


FTFY!
 
2018-02-23 11:15:53 AM  

squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.


The entire team acted like a bunch of babies.  They sat on the bench for 15 minutes not just teary eyed, but crying like they just watched Old Yeller for the first time.  Taking off the medal was the icing on the cake.  Grow the fark up.
 
2018-02-23 11:16:02 AM  

Slypork: lindalouwho: squidloe: lindalouwho: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

I' not outraged, but it was immediate, she did yank it off.

Look at the video, no yanking. She calmly removed it.

Being that it was immediate, sudden - yank.

We'll just agree to disagree  ;)

No, she's a Canadian. She lost to the Yanks.


Ha! Well played.
 
2018-02-23 11:17:03 AM  

fastfxr: ChrisDe: I don't have a problem with her actions at all. To her, in the heat of the moment, it was a Participation Ribbon. It's not like she flung it into the crowd.

The FIns would have gladly traded places with her.
It's called being UNGRATEFUL, and people who "don't have a problem with it" are the reason the world is so farked.


Certainly the Fins would be grateful to switch places - but they didn't earn the right to be in that game like the Canadians did. Giving them an unearned handout would happily be something to be grateful for.

You don't need to be grateful for something you earn. It is yours and you deserve it. They have no need to be grateful for earning their way into the gold medal game.
 
2018-02-23 11:25:26 AM  

Jeebus Saves: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

The entire team acted like a bunch of babies.  They sat on the bench for 15 minutes not just teary eyed, but crying like they just watched Old Yeller for the first time.  Taking off the medal was the icing on the cake.  Grow the fark up.


You have a weird definition of being a grown up.
 
2018-02-23 11:31:05 AM  
It's good that she apologized to her teammates, since it's ultimately their effort that she disrespected.

The rest of it?  Pretty obviously bullshiat.
 
2018-02-23 11:38:51 AM  
IOC forced the apology. When she retires and they can't reach her, I hope she recants.
 
2018-02-23 11:40:02 AM  

The_Sponge: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I love it when people do things on international TV that represent their values try to claim that what they did doesn't represent their values.

You're talking personal and not national values, right.


Yes, because that's what I read in the statement: "Larocque says she takes being a role model and representing Canada seriously and is truly sorry that her actions did not represent her values or those of her family and team."
 
2018-02-23 11:43:19 AM  
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IIRC, she already has a gold medal from 4 years ago...and the Canadian team has been dominate for quite some
time.  At least she received a silver medal....a lot of athletes get nothing when they take second place at other sports and venues.
 
2018-02-23 12:37:48 PM  

Sgygus: The actual difference in quality between the two teams was less than a fingernail but one team exalts, the other team is in tears.


Because they (and we) have been told that victory is "all or nothing."

When you're told to win gold or go home a loser, yeah, that's what happens - you don't exult in being the second in the world at something, and proudly display a silver medal won only by a handful of people a year on the planet. You instead lament the loss, knowing that you missed it by the barest of margins, and that you've let your country down after 16 years of winning. You sob on the bench, look at your silver medal like it's a consolation prize, and end up having to apologize for the natural reaction to such a horrible loss.

We've lost the point. I mean, for Christ's sake, NBC referred to silver medalists as "runners-up" in their commentary and zoomed in on silver & bronze medalists to see if they, too, were crying at their clear humiliation.
It's hard to watch the Olympics any more with that - we have entire countries having to bow out because of doping, even as assholes game the rules and country-shop just so they can add "Participated in Olympics" to their resume. We've drilled home the idea that the only thing worth mentioning are gold medals, to the point where NBC has repeatedly missed some of the best moments of this Olympics because, hey, they showed the moment that clinched the gold medal - who would've given a shiat about Chloe Kim's momentous double 1080s, right? She's already gotten the gold and that's the important thing, so, just skip showing that and go to commercial.We've perverted the very concept of the Games - an activity meant to bring the world together - and turned it into proxy warfare for decades.
 
2018-02-23 01:15:21 PM  

Jeebus Saves: squidloe: I still don't see the problem with what she did. She let them put the medal around her neck. Then she calmly took it off, no "yanking" like the headline indicated the other day. These are elite athletes and anything less than 1st place is a disappointment.

This seems more like a case of people looking for something to be "outraged" about.

The entire team acted like a bunch of babies.  They sat on the bench for 15 minutes not just teary eyed, but crying like they just watched Old Yeller for the first time.  Taking off the medal was the icing on the cake.  Grow the fark up.


EXACLTY.  That whole team was so full of pride they couldn't handle one loss.  There was no, Americans have been bullying them for years, and stoled their tricycle crap.  These women know each other for a lot of years.  9 of them, split on both teams, Jocelyn included, played together on the same team in college.  University of Minnesota, look it up.  Most of the Canadian team played for American colleges, but couldn't handle one loss to the Americans.  Really, grow up.  Crying like that on the bench is poor sportsmanship.  Chin up, and accept you've beaten all but one team.  The one team that has always been really close in talent and skill.

A teacher made good point on this when I was in school.  Don't laugh at the guy coming in last, he beat every other person in his country to even be there.  The guy who came in forth, beat out the rest of the field to even make the last event.  My favorite thought, "If you can't win, make the winner break the record."

/I would be just as disappointed if the American team acted like that after winning silver
//that's how it should be said, winning silver
 
2018-02-23 01:46:26 PM  

The_Sponge: [img.fark.net image 425x422]

Between that outfit and flying through the air like Super Girl, that's some interesting hockey, eh?


This caught my attention as well, I mean how couldn't it? I have REALLY underestimated the value of figure skating. Fine posterior qualities to.....wait, how old is this particular competitor? I withhold further comment until possessing that fact. And maybe...age restriction laws in the respective country.

Anyway, good on you Jocelyn. It isn't like a Canadian to disrespect the opponent nor the competition. I believe your sincerity. I will teach my American child to hold those same values. Current athletes' help in doing so is always appreciated.
 
2018-02-23 02:22:38 PM  
If she's so disappointed with her silver medal that she doesnt want it, I wonder if she's also going to refuse the $11k (USD) bonus that Canada pays for winning silver. Somehow i doubt she'll look at that cheque and toss it aside too.
 
2018-02-23 03:54:15 PM  
But are people REALLY outraged over this?

I mean, sure, she's a bad sport or whatever.  Don't know her, don't care.

If people would stop being outraged over shiat that has exactly zero bearing on their every day lives, this world be a whole lot better place.

"OH but the example she's setting for the kids!"

Shut the fark up.  If your kids are learning values from Canadian hockey players, perhaps YOU are the problem in their lives.
 
2018-02-23 04:04:19 PM  
It'd be nice if she hadn't done that, and it's a bit whiny, but I understand. Silver is a high accomplishment, but you have to lose to get one.

Ultimately, these are two very closely matched teams. They both have similar makeup to 4 years ago in Sochi, which ALSO ended in OT with a 3-2 score, with the winning team scoring the tying goal in the 3rd. It seems only right that each team should come away with a gold and a silver from these two Olympic rumbles; they are each others' most worthy opponents. I think maybe they'll see it that way later, once the sting wears off.
 
2018-02-23 04:54:40 PM  
These women are expected by a bunch of armchair athletes/moral philosophers to be simultaneously pure as saints, emotional as robots, and as driven as Jordan.
 
2018-02-23 06:01:40 PM  

006andahalf: These women are expected by a bunch of armchair athletes/moral philosophers to be simultaneously pure as saints, emotional as robots, and as driven as Jordan.


Naw, but good sportsmanship did used to be a thing. It was nice.
 
2018-02-23 07:03:54 PM  

lindalouwho: 006andahalf: These women are expected by a bunch of armchair athletes/moral philosophers to be simultaneously pure as saints, emotional as robots, and as driven as Jordan.

Naw, but good sportsmanship did used to be a thing. It was nice.


It still is a thing, you know
 
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