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(Vox)   The states that are actually fighting the opioid epidemic and those that aren't in one handy map   ( vox.com) divider line
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2018-02-22 07:21:49 PM  
That's interesting.  The west coast is taking it seriously.   The usual suspects, not so much.
 
2018-02-22 07:29:16 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: That's interesting.  The west coast is taking it seriously.   The usual suspects, not so much.


West coast has a smaller rate of opioid OD the begin with. Also, TFA doesn't say if they're comparing the rate of deaths or the absolute number of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data​/​statedeaths.html

If your rate is high but you have a lot of buprenorphine providers, you show up nice and light blue. But you're still Pennsylvania, with a high rate of ODs.
 
2018-02-22 08:01:48 PM  
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2018-02-22 10:10:50 PM  
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2018-02-22 10:14:52 PM  
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2018-02-23 12:12:39 AM  

dv-ous: Dewey Fidalgo: That's interesting.  The west coast is taking it seriously.   The usual suspects, not so much.

West coast has a smaller rate of opioid OD the begin with. Also, TFA doesn't say if they're comparing the rate of deaths or the absolute number of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/​statedeaths.html

If your rate is high but you have a lot of buprenorphine providers, you show up nice and light blue. But you're still Pennsylvania, with a high rate of ODs.


Smaller rate of opoid overdose DEATHS.  You should at least read your own link.  And the article.
 
2018-02-23 03:21:31 AM  
Too bad the drugs that sell themselves don't fix anything. Ibogane, ayahuasca, DMT, LSD, all the psychedelics that can blow up the doors of perception and heal the emotional traumas that lead users back to their abusive friends.
 
2018-02-23 03:26:37 AM  
Legalize it. Legalize not just heroin but all opiates. Prohibition means unknown doses of unknown substances, laden with impurities, and alters the patterns of use to encourage ODs.  Also corruption, crime, and money and power in the hands of truly awful people.

Legalization means accurate information and dosage, stable supply, no impurities, vastly improved access to treatment, and a real life for the afflicted.  It's not perfect but it beats prohibition all day long.
 
2018-02-23 03:35:02 AM  
Study evaluates each states ratio of buprenorphine use to drug deaths.
Study was by Avalere Health, a healthcare consulting company.
Now, the buprenorphine maker couldn't possibly have hired Avalere to study that, could they?
 
2018-02-23 03:37:53 AM  

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I wonder what happened w cocaine between 2005 and 2012 ish. I wonder if it's MCAT/ plant food (don't know what you guys call it)n. When that first came out in the UK some people swapped coke for mcat and they reckon it saved lives.
 
2018-02-23 03:39:56 AM  
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I guess the "withdrawl" is a southern speech pattern caused by oxy.
 
2018-02-23 03:42:52 AM  
Meh. I never understood why people get so worked up about this. Will never understand.
People are killing themselves, that's their choice. Seems a very peaceful way to go. Thw best way.
Much more concerned about the the ones who are actually dangerous, the ones who kill other people.
 
2018-02-23 03:48:48 AM  

rustyfark: Meh. I never understood why people get so worked up about this. Will never understand.
People are killing themselves, that's their choice. Seems a very peaceful way to go. Thw best way.
Much more concerned about the the ones who are actually dangerous, the ones who kill other people.

It's jest how we speak heah in thuh South. Withdrawl.
 
2018-02-23 04:01:27 AM  

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I guess the "withdrawl" is a southern speech pattern caused by oxy.


This made me laugh.
I am on Oxycodone. I have broken discs in my neck that I have had 3 surgeries for,I also I have a disc in my lower back that pops out all the time and my knees have no cartilage left. The constant pain is very bad. My husband and I are retired and like to travel. The problem is that I have to go to my pain management doctor every month to get it. Pharmacies will not fill out of state scripts. I asked my doctor what I can do and he told me that I have to plan in advance where I am going. Find a doctor that takes my insurance and send them my records. We are planning a 3 month trip. That means 3 doctors. My insurance GHI and it is hard to find doctors that accept it. If they make it any harder to get, I may not be able to travel anymore. Getting old sucks!
 
2018-02-23 04:13:40 AM  

daffy: Danger Avoid Death: [img.fark.net image 625x468]

I guess the "withdrawl" is a southern speech pattern caused by oxy.

This made me laugh.
I am on Oxycodone. I have broken discs in my neck that I have had 3 surgeries for,I also I have a disc in my lower back that pops out all the time and my knees have no cartilage left. The constant pain is very bad. My husband and I are retired and like to travel. The problem is that I have to go to my pain management doctor every month to get it. Pharmacies will not fill out of state scripts. I asked my doctor what I can do and he told me that I have to plan in advance where I am going. Find a doctor that takes my insurance and send them my records. We are planning a 3 month trip. That means 3 doctors. My insurance GHI and it is hard to find doctors that accept it. If they make it any harder to get, I may not be able to travel anymore. Getting old sucks!


No, the idiotic response to the use of opiods sucks. In an intelligent world, we would accept that there are people in chronic pain, and allow them to be treated with the painkillers that work. I'm allergic to aspirin and NSAIDS (ibuprofen), and tylenol in a high enough dose to stop the pain means a dead liver. That leaves codiene. After a 6 month wait, I finally got to see a pain Dr who prescribed it for me. It's the first time in months I haven't been in agony all day.
 
2018-02-23 04:21:30 AM  
We need a map of marijuana overdoses.
 
2018-02-23 04:25:49 AM  

Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.


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2018-02-23 04:25:56 AM  

Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.


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Here you go.
 
2018-02-23 04:26:23 AM  

Boo_Guy: Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.

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2018-02-23 04:27:03 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Boo_Guy: Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.

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lol
 
2018-02-23 04:29:15 AM  

Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.


TFA is about fatal overdoses. It's pretty easy to nonfatally OD on THC, just eat this cookie...
 
2018-02-23 04:31:29 AM  

Khazar-Khum: daffy: Danger Avoid Death: [img.fark.net image 625x468]

I guess the "withdrawl" is a southern speech pattern caused by oxy.

This made me laugh.
I am on Oxycodone. I have broken discs in my neck that I have had 3 surgeries for,I also I have a disc in my lower back that pops out all the time and my knees have no cartilage left. The constant pain is very bad. My husband and I are retired and like to travel. The problem is that I have to go to my pain management doctor every month to get it. Pharmacies will not fill out of state scripts. I asked my doctor what I can do and he told me that I have to plan in advance where I am going. Find a doctor that takes my insurance and send them my records. We are planning a 3 month trip. That means 3 doctors. My insurance GHI and it is hard to find doctors that accept it. If they make it any harder to get, I may not be able to travel anymore. Getting old sucks!

No, the idiotic response to the use of opiods sucks. In an intelligent world, we would accept that there are people in chronic pain, and allow them to be treated with the painkillers that work. I'm allergic to aspirin and NSAIDS (ibuprofen), and tylenol in a high enough dose to stop the pain means a dead liver. That leaves codiene. After a 6 month wait, I finally got to see a pain Dr who prescribed it for me. It's the first time in months I haven't been in agony all day.


It is ridiculous that you have to endure so much pain while searching  for relief. My son fell and hurt his chest. He also has the same knee problems as me. It has been 2 years and he was originally told that the ribs were not broken. Then he started to get strange bruises. He developed calcium deposits. He is in constant pain and can't work, and has to live with us. All that keep giving him is Tramadol. Finding a good doctor is getting harder and harder.
 
2018-02-23 04:39:06 AM  

daffy: Khazar-Khum: daffy: Danger Avoid Death: [img.fark.net image 625x468]

I guess the "withdrawl" is a southern speech pattern caused by oxy.

This made me laugh.
I am on Oxycodone. I have broken discs in my neck that I have had 3 surgeries for,I also I have a disc in my lower back that pops out all the time and my knees have no cartilage left. The constant pain is very bad. My husband and I are retired and like to travel. The problem is that I have to go to my pain management doctor every month to get it. Pharmacies will not fill out of state scripts. I asked my doctor what I can do and he told me that I have to plan in advance where I am going. Find a doctor that takes my insurance and send them my records. We are planning a 3 month trip. That means 3 doctors. My insurance GHI and it is hard to find doctors that accept it. If they make it any harder to get, I may not be able to travel anymore. Getting old sucks!

No, the idiotic response to the use of opiods sucks. In an intelligent world, we would accept that there are people in chronic pain, and allow them to be treated with the painkillers that work. I'm allergic to aspirin and NSAIDS (ibuprofen), and tylenol in a high enough dose to stop the pain means a dead liver. That leaves codiene. After a 6 month wait, I finally got to see a pain Dr who prescribed it for me. It's the first time in months I haven't been in agony all day.

It is ridiculous that you have to endure so much pain while searching  for relief. My son fell and hurt his chest. He also has the same knee problems as me. It has been 2 years and he was originally told that the ribs were not broken. Then he started to get strange bruises. He developed calcium deposits. He is in constant pain and can't work, and has to live with us. All that keep giving him is Tramadol. Finding a good doctor is getting harder and harder.


This is the kind of stupid shiat that leads people to getting stuff off the street or the net, or becoming alcoholic, or ruining their organs with over the counter garbage. People shouldn't have to destroy themselves to get some farking relief from the pain and fark the people that allow it to happen.
 
2018-02-23 04:53:45 AM  

wildcardjack: Too bad the drugs that sell themselves don't fix anything. Ibogane, ayahuasca, DMT, LSD, all the psychedelics that can blow up the doors of perception and heal the emotional traumas that lead users back to their abusive friends.


https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.thegu​a​rdian.com/science/2018/feb/21/the-drug​s-do-work-antidepressants-are-effectiv​e-study-shows
 
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2018-02-23 05:02:26 AM  
Wow.  It's a really good thing that we don't have an interconnected system of interstate supply systems that actually ship products to where they're needed.  Otherwise that map wouldn't make any sense at all.
 
2018-02-23 05:20:44 AM  
I have to chip in that the FDA agrees with Perdue and the other big Pharma's that Kratom is schedule 1.
I was going to mention it's part of the coffee family but who cares at this point? It is a real threat to big Pharma.
https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro​o​m/PressAnnouncements/ucm597649.htm

I just am sad at this .....and what they (big pharma) can literally do 'anything' at this point. Just fark it.The FDA has just joined another government organization that I do not trust. I really at this point want to trust someone in are f*ckn government. ANYONE? Jeezus

/Santa? Easter Bunny?
/FCC Ajit? how is that pension from ATT/Verizon working out ?
 
2018-02-23 05:25:37 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Legalize it.


Most of the abusable opiates and synthetics are available legally, in rather vast quantities per capita actually.  What you probably mean is make them available OTC without a prescription.

And it wouldn't stop most OD deaths.  OD's are because of tolerance, and people chasing that high....with just a little more each time.  There's a reason the same people tend to get treated for opiate OD over and over.  It's not because they are too stupid to figure out a dosage after years of use.  It's because they are using huge doses intentionally.
 
2018-02-23 05:38:08 AM  
I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.
 
2018-02-23 05:42:24 AM  

UsikFark: Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.

TFA is about fatal overdoses. It's pretty easy to nonfatally OD on THC, just eat this cookie...


I've seen it happen.  It was terrifying.  They took a nap and woke up... hungry.

/shudders
 
2018-02-23 05:58:13 AM  

Banned on the Run: Study evaluates each states ratio of buprenorphine use to drug deaths.
Study was by Avalere Health, a healthcare consulting company.
Now, the buprenorphine maker couldn't possibly have hired Avalere to study that, could they?


This. It's possible that this is a good proxy for "doing something", but it seems odd enough that I don't trust it or them.
 
2018-02-23 05:58:58 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Legalize it.

Most of the abusable opiates and synthetics are available legally, in rather vast quantities per capita actually.  What you probably mean is make them available OTC without a prescription.

And it wouldn't stop most OD deaths.  OD's are because of tolerance, and people chasing that high....with just a little more each time.  There's a reason the same people tend to get treated for opiate OD over and over.  It's not because they are too stupid to figure out a dosage after years of use.  It's because they are using huge doses intentionally.


Well heroin is not, which is what I was referring to when I wrote "Legalize it"

Everything else you posted is equally off base,  but I don't feel like wasting more bandwidth for you.
 
XSV
2018-02-23 06:02:43 AM  

RadiomanATL: I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.


*looks at username*

Seems like someone doesn't like Georgia being behind who they perceive as lesser.
 
2018-02-23 06:05:42 AM  

XSV: RadiomanATL: I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.

*looks at username*

Seems like someone doesn't like Georgia being behind who they perceive as lesser.


If you want to advocate for Alabama and Mississippi being bastions of progressivism  knock yourself out.
 
2018-02-23 06:07:26 AM  

Banned on the Run: Study evaluates each states ratio of buprenorphine use to drug deaths.
Study was by Avalere Health, a healthcare consulting company.
Now, the buprenorphine maker couldn't possibly have hired Avalere to study that, could they?


Unlike all the recent articles demonizing any service/county/state that doesn't stock up everyone with Narcone.
 
2018-02-23 06:10:36 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Everything else you posted is equally off base,  but I don't feel like wasting more bandwidth for you.


All of your posts are a waste of bandwidth from what I can see.  :)   Shrug.
 
2018-02-23 07:17:29 AM  

RadiomanATL: XSV: RadiomanATL: I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.

*looks at username*

Seems like someone doesn't like Georgia being behind who they perceive as lesser.

If you want to advocate for Alabama and Mississippi being bastions of progressivism  knock yourself out.


That.

/Arkansan
 
2018-02-23 07:24:41 AM  
Below is the real map of states serious about the opioid epidemic:
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2018-02-23 07:28:33 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Legalize it. Legalize not just heroin but all opiates. Prohibition means unknown doses of unknown substances, laden with impurities, and alters the patterns of use to encourage ODs.  Also corruption, crime, and money and power in the hands of truly awful people.

Legalization means accurate information and dosage, stable supply, no impurities, vastly improved access to treatment, and a real life for the afflicted.  It's not perfect but it beats prohibition all day long.


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2018-02-23 07:33:52 AM  

UsikFark: Begoggle: We need a map of marijuana overdoses.

TFA is about fatal overdoses. It's pretty easy to nonfatally OD on THC, just eat this cookie...


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2018-02-23 07:41:47 AM  

Resident Muslim: Banned on the Run: Study evaluates each states ratio of buprenorphine use to drug deaths.
Study was by Avalere Health, a healthcare consulting company.
Now, the buprenorphine maker couldn't possibly have hired Avalere to study that, could they?

Unlike all the recent articles demonizing any service/county/state that doesn't stock up everyone with Narcone.


False equivalence. Narcan (naloxone), which I what I assume you're talking about, is an emergency drug given to prevent death in the case of an overdose. As far as I know, it's the only one of it's kind. Any emergency medical service provider (ER, ambulance, etc) without the means to rescue an opiod overdose is severely deficient and should be demonized. This article is implicitly starting that buprenorphine is the the only acceptable long-term treatment for opiod addiction by using that as a proxy for "doing something". First, emergency meds and long-term treatment meds are entirely different things. Second, other pharmaceutical treatments exist for opiod addiction, though I can't comment on how good they are. So, Banned on the Run has a solid reason to question the funding for this article - their methods and and motives are prima facie suspect.
 
XSV
2018-02-23 07:46:30 AM  

RadiomanATL: XSV: RadiomanATL: I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.

*looks at username*

Seems like someone doesn't like Georgia being behind who they perceive as lesser.

If you want to advocate for Alabama and Mississippi being bastions of progressivism  knock yourself out.


My point is you're getting your proverbial panties in a wad over something and not thinking about it. I'm not sure for MS, but AL's biggest issue for years has been meth, not opoids. It's not that they're progressive, it's that they have a different problem.  Instead you chose to look at it as a pissing match, which is why I pointed out your bias.
 
2018-02-23 07:52:26 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Everything else you posted is equally off base,  but I don't feel like wasting more bandwidth for you.

All of your posts are a waste of bandwidth from what I can see.  :)   Shrug.


Yeah, cuz reading them is what you live for.....
 
2018-02-23 08:11:41 AM  
Washington which has encouraged heroin usage is fighting opioid use? Yeah right.
 
2018-02-23 08:12:27 AM  

XSV: RadiomanATL: XSV: RadiomanATL: I seriously doubt the veracity of any study that shows Alabama and Mississippi leading the nation in a progressive solution to a problem.

*looks at username*

Seems like someone doesn't like Georgia being behind who they perceive as lesser.

If you want to advocate for Alabama and Mississippi being bastions of progressivism  knock yourself out.

My point is you're getting your proverbial panties in a wad over something and not thinking about it. I'm not sure for MS, but AL's biggest issue for years has been meth, not opoids. It's not that they're progressive, it's that they have a different problem.  Instead you chose to look at it as a pissing match, which is why I pointed out your bias.


You are incorrect my friend. I am pointing out that the study is flawed, using common sense and humor. Not a pissing match. You are reading intent that is not present in my post. I didn't even consider my current state, we are wretched in many ways as well. But to think that 2 states that consistently rank in the bottom of education, healthcare access, and civil rights are at the forefront of fighting the opioid epidemic doesn't begin to pass the most basic of smell tests, and should make any critical thinker dig deeper into the study's methodology.

Off the top of my head, a more accurate study would take three factors into account:

1) Rate of ODs per capita. This would indicate if the problem even exists in the state, and is a prime factor that is missing from the study. You can't say a state is effectively fighting something that doesn't even exist in their area
2) Deaths from ODs per capita compared to ODs per capita that do not result in death.
3) Access to providers within the state, based on distance and effort. If the providers are clustered closely together in it over-inflates the effectiveness of the states as a whole while leaving the rest of the state with little to no access to a provider.

That's off the top of my head and may be flawed itself. A more statistics-minded farker could probably fine tune this better.
 
2018-02-23 08:22:27 AM  
Just ban opiods.
 
2018-02-23 08:42:11 AM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2018-02-23 08:44:40 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: That's interesting.  The west coast is taking it seriously.   The usual suspects, not so much.


Silver lining: a thinning out of the MAGA heards will actually help in ending this crisis sooner.
Well, it would if free and fair elections were allowed.
 
2018-02-23 08:47:42 AM  

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