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2018-02-21 09:46:09 AM  
And now McDonalds serves breakfast all day long. The lesson? Change can be achieved  with automatic weapons.

Hard to believe the same guy who directed that directed Batman and Robin.
 
2018-02-21 10:04:44 AM  
One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".
 
2018-02-21 10:05:14 AM  
I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.
 
2018-02-21 10:16:06 AM  

edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.


I've never seen it, either.
But I don't care what the vocal minority here says, about anything.
 
2018-02-21 10:20:21 AM  

edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.


I liked it, but its important to remember that at least in this instance the protagonist is just that, and not the "hero."
 
2018-02-21 10:26:07 AM  
One of the best things that came about as a result of that movie were all the soundbite samples.

This album is FULL of 'em:

Front Line Assembly - Vigilante
Youtube jpuysm_aLLI
 
2018-02-21 10:29:00 AM  

edmo: I still not have seen that movie.


lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.


Mee threether.
 
2018-02-21 10:33:53 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.


It's a very good movie.
 
2018-02-21 10:37:17 AM  

RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.


Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.
 
2018-02-21 10:37:25 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


It's a really good half of a movie.
 
2018-02-21 10:37:33 AM  

Mugato: And now McDonalds serves breakfast all day long. The lesson? Change can be achieved  with automatic weapons.

Hard to believe the same guy who directed that directed Batman and Robin.


Yeah. Thank god he toned down the gay subtext by the time he got to Batman & Robin.
 
2018-02-21 10:39:44 AM  

Atomic Jonb: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.

I liked it, but its important to remember that at least in this instance the protagonist is just that, and not the "hero."


To millions of workplace creepy guys, he was the hero.
 
2018-02-21 10:43:04 AM  
Best Christmas movie ever.
 
2018-02-21 10:43:05 AM  

edmo: Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.


I'll cook ribs if others can bring sides and brews.
 
2018-02-21 10:43:07 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


I agree it's overrated, but not that it identified with any political ideology at the time. The golf course scene would belie the AWM / Republican theme, and anyone looking at a real Big Mac vs. a picture of one in a magazine can relate to the feeling of being taken advantage of.

Fast forward 25 years though, and I see your point. The GOP has devolved into a mish-mash of xenophobia, nationalism, and misdirected righteousness. This movie serves those sentiments up quite well.
 
2018-02-21 10:43:09 AM  
He was great as Liberace.
 
2018-02-21 10:44:28 AM  

edmo: RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.

Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.


It's truly excellent up until the rocket launcher scene. Much like Full Metal Jacket, it peaks at that halfway point and the rest of the film is slow moralist slog which can't meet the bar set by the first half.

The movie tries to have things both ways -- Foster makes some valid observations and in many ways makes material positive changes along the course of his rampage, but the how and why he tips over into full on villainy is apparent to neither himself nor the audience. There's never a moral Rubicon he consciously chooses to cross; eventually he just comes to find himself the villain. He becomes the villain because the film can't leave someone this reflexively destructive as a hero. But the film never openly subverts the vengeance fantasy. It just makes him the bad guy. Schumacher can't celebrate him, but he also never addresses his grassroots populism (other downtrodden characters within the film tend to support Foster, with various degrees of enthusiasm).

It's like an Abrams film. It's got a fun set-up and has neat destructive set pieces, but the end game is poorly thought out.
 
2018-02-21 10:45:08 AM  

stoli n coke: To millions of workplace creepy guys, he was the hero.


meganandtimmy.comView Full Size

A challenger emerges.
 
2018-02-21 10:45:50 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


The reviews were pretty mediocre when it came out, though some people obsess over it.
 
2018-02-21 10:46:53 AM  
It's a very fine flick.  I see people already discrediting it as some white-rage fantasy but it's more about a man who's place in the world had disappeared and the worst possible reaction to losing your identity and purpose. Too late he learns he has become what he hates, he sees it reflected back at him in the army surplus store and he reaction is again, violence. It's not until the last scene that it all hits him.  He has become the bad guy.
 
2018-02-21 10:54:38 AM  

Subtonic: It's a very fine flick.  I see people already discrediting it as some white-rage fantasy but it's more about a man who's place in the world had disappeared and the worst possible reaction to losing your identity and purpose. Too late he learns he has become what he hates, he sees it reflected back at him in the army surplus store and he reaction is again, violence. It's not until the last scene that it all hits him.  He has become the bad guy.



Powerlessness/humiliation + rage + access to weapons

Good thing he didn't go back to where he worked.
 
2018-02-21 10:56:29 AM  

8 inches: It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


The first part is true. The second part is much more debatable.

Even then, I think he's white because a white blue collar guy is more faceless and generic, and because the entire point of the character is how hollow the American Dream had been.

He's a laid-off defense contractor, with a brutal commute. He's unhappily divorced and doesn't have custody, and because of a beater car and traffic he's going to miss his daughter's birthday party. His entire journey to his daughter is filled with encounters with the dregs of humanity (all across the social ladder). (This results in his constant leveling up of weapons) The only two people he identifies with along the journey is a downsized black man and a black kid who shows him how the bazooka works. He openly rages at anything that is overtly white -- the chain restaurant, the golf course, the neo-nazi pawn/weapons dealer. The only poor or minority people he's antagonist towards is the gang that tries to jump him and the Korean bodega owner who refused him change and attacked him with a bat.

So, he is antagonistic towards:

0. Traffic jams and failed air conditioning
1. Violent Korean shop owners
2. Street gangs
3. Chain fast-food restaurants
4. Phonebooth assholes
5. Dilettante golfers and course owners
6. White supremacists
7. Lazy construction workers
8. Police attempting to arrest him

He supports:
1. Homeless people asking for food
2. Loan-denied poor black men
3. Small black children

I don't think this guy clearly has a party or an ideology, and I think that's the point. He's walking social frustration.
 
2018-02-21 10:57:58 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.


I only saw it once when it first came out. I didn't know it was "rated" at all.
 
2018-02-21 10:59:06 AM  
He's still right about golf courses:

Falling Down - Golf Course Scene (1080p)
Youtube -JE4GYS63ak

/D-FENS!
 
2018-02-21 11:00:46 AM  
Iron Maiden - Man On The Edge (Official Video)
Youtube u5UqJWRV55E
 
2018-02-21 11:01:46 AM  
Where do I begin?

metrouk2.files.wordpress.comView Full Size


/ D-GROHL!
 
2018-02-21 11:02:38 AM  

Subtonic: It's a very fine flick.  I see people already discrediting it as some white-rage fantasy but it's more about a man who's place in the world had disappeared and the worst possible reaction to losing your identity and purpose. Too late he learns he has become what he hates, he sees it reflected back at him in the army surplus store and he reaction is again, violence. It's not until the last scene that it all hits him.  He has become the bad guy.


He was the villain of the movie from his first scene interacting with someone. Terrorizing a business owner because you don't like the prices is pretty damn far from normal. Even if they don't give you enough change for the pay phone so you can stalk your ex.
 
2018-02-21 11:05:07 AM  
If anything, this is one of the most UNDERrated movies of all time. Michael Douglas at his best. So good that people forget the Prendegast storyline by Robert Duvall, equally compelling.

But I'd expect insecure, infantile, Trumpian inferiority complexed conservatives to poo poo a great movie over some perceived slight. It's not a political movie. At all. Grow the fark up. Just enjoy it for what it is.
 
2018-02-21 11:12:15 AM  

Mugato: 8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

I only saw it once when it first came out. I didn't know it was "rated" at all.


You are in a Fark thread celebrating its 25th anniversary. You are now woke.
 
2018-02-21 11:12:57 AM  

This text is now purple: edmo: RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.

Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.

It's truly excellent up until the rocket launcher scene. Much like Full Metal Jacket, it peaks at that halfway point and the rest of the film is slow moralist slog which can't meet the bar set by the first half.

The movie tries to have things both ways -- Foster makes some valid observations and in many ways makes material positive changes along the course of his rampage, but the how and why he tips over into full on villainy is apparent to neither himself nor the audience. There's never a moral Rubicon he consciously chooses to cross; eventually he just comes to find himself the villain. He becomes the villain because the film can't leave someone this reflexively destructive as a hero. But the film never openly subverts the vengeance fantasy. It just makes him the bad guy. Schumacher can't celebrate him, but he also never addresses his grassroots populism (other downtrodden characters within the film tend to support Foster, with various degrees of enthusiasm).

It's like an Abrams film. It's got a fun set-up and has neat destructive set pieces, but the end game is poorly thought out.


Isn't the part where he kills the store owner his Rubicon moment?

Agree with your assessment, though.

/fun fact, shot during the L.A. riots
 
2018-02-21 11:13:51 AM  

mudesi: If anything, this is one of the most UNDERrated movies of all time. Michael Douglas at his best. So good that people forget the Prendegast storyline by Robert Duvall, equally compelling.

But I'd expect insecure, infantile, Trumpian inferiority complexed conservatives to poo poo a great movie over some perceived slight. It's not a political movie. At all. Grow the fark up. Just enjoy it for what it is.


The filmmakers admitted the political and current event themes. Like "Taxi Driver" was the meditation on the veteran turned loner psychotic, Falling Down was a meditation on the "disgruntled postal worker" types who shot up places every few months in the early-mid 90s.
 
2018-02-21 11:18:40 AM  
When I was 14, I thought D Fens was a hero. In a few years, I realized he was an asshole.
 
2018-02-21 11:19:49 AM  

Atomic Jonb: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.

I liked it, but its important to remember that at least in this instance the protagonist is just that, and not the "hero."


And even in a post-Walter White world people still have a hard time getting that with this movie.
 
2018-02-21 11:21:22 AM  
He was just standing up for his rights.  As a consumer.
 
2018-02-21 11:22:09 AM  
The ghost of Harold Unruh would like a word ...
 
2018-02-21 11:22:24 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Isn't the part where he kills the store owner his Rubicon moment?


In retrospect, probably. I think, in the moment, Foster saw it as self-defense.  He was being attacked by a racist who celebrated his killing black gang members but who held him at gunpoint when it became obvious Foster was equally disgusted by the owner's views.

While he probably wasn't actually going to kill Foster, that would not have been as apparent to Foster.

Does Foster ever actually attack someone who isn't an immediate threat to him? I think everyone he fights is either trying to kill him or has him at gunpoint.
 
2018-02-21 11:23:02 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: When I was 14, I thought D Fens was a hero. In a few years, I realized he was an asshole.


In a few more, you'll realize he's both.
 
2018-02-21 11:23:06 AM  

edmo: RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.

Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.


I've seen 10 minutes or so of various parts of the movie over the years. It's never struck me as anything I want to sit and watch because it's rather depressing and slightly disturbing watching this guy descend into madness.
 
2018-02-21 11:23:44 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


Really, really lame, dude. There's a time and a place for your butthurt and this thread isn't it.
 
2018-02-21 11:24:17 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: When I was 14, I thought D Fens was a hero. In a few years, I realized he was an asshole.


I went through a period when I loved Taxi Driver, but failed to recognize that Travis Bickle had issues.
 
2018-02-21 11:27:56 AM  
A) Filmed during the riots, when LA wasn't quite sure it would survive as a civilization in certain neighborhoods
B) They really were laying off a bunch of aerospace workers, who were generally whiter and more conservative than the average Angeleno
C) One of the most accurate portrayals of the psychological trauma caused by Westside traffic ever committed to film
 
2018-02-21 11:29:16 AM  

unfarkingbelievable: 8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".

Really, really lame, dude. There's a time and a place for your butthurt and this thread isn't it.


I have 8 as a republican. But I've been wrong before.
 
2018-02-21 11:30:34 AM  

This text is now purple: edmo: RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.

Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.

It's truly excellent up until the rocket launcher scene. Much like Full Metal Jacket, it peaks at that halfway point and the rest of the film is slow moralist slog which can't meet the bar set by the first half.

The movie tries to have things both ways -- Foster makes some valid observations and in many ways makes material positive changes along the course of his rampage, but the how and why he tips over into full on villainy is apparent to neither himself nor the audience. There's never a moral Rubicon he consciously chooses to cross; eventually he just comes to find himself the villain. He becomes the villain because the film can't leave someone this reflexively destructive as a hero. But the film never openly subverts the vengeance fantasy. It just makes him the bad guy. Schumacher can't celebrate him, but he also never addresses his grassroots populism (other downtrodden characters within the film tend to support Foster, with various degrees of enthusiasm).

It's like an Abrams film. It's got a fun set-up and has neat destructive set pieces, but the end game is poorly thought out.


That's actually a pretty pithy review.

Too bad the character could not have just chilled with a dooby in the traffic jam.
 
2018-02-21 11:31:02 AM  
For people curious enough to compare Farker's thoughts of this movie pre- and post-Trump, I bookmarked the last Falling Down thread from 2016: Falling Down glorifies white persecution complex, says critic who has clearly never actually watched Falling Down
 
2018-02-21 11:34:15 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: edmo: RJReves: Dancin_In_Anson: edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

lindalouwho: I've never seen it, either.

Mee threether.

It's a very good movie.

Sounds like we need a Fark party to watch the movie.

I've seen 10 minutes or so of various parts of the movie over the years. It's never struck me as anything I want to sit and watch because it's rather depressing and slightly disturbing watching this guy descend into madness.


Yet you'll watch people descend into madness all day long over on the Politics tab...

/I read the comments, Ray
 
2018-02-21 11:35:45 AM  
Holy crap this thread went bi-polar
 
2018-02-21 11:41:12 AM  

Learned Hand Job: For people curious enough to compare Farker's thoughts of this movie pre- and post-Trump, I bookmarked the last Falling Down thread from 2016: Falling Down glorifies white persecution complex, says critic who has clearly never actually watched Falling Down


I see my opinion remains consistent.
 
2018-02-21 11:42:01 AM  

edmo: I still not have seen that movie.

I suppose I'll get put on double secret Fark suspension for admitting that.


It was a good romp.  And some of the scenes are timeless.
 
2018-02-21 11:42:46 AM  

H31N0US: Yet you'll watch people descend into madness all day long over on the Politics tab...


People are being dunked deeply into the madness whether they want to or not.  This is the timeline we're in.
 
2018-02-21 11:44:38 AM  

8 inches: One of the most overrated movies of all time.

It should have been called "Angry White Man" or "Republican".


It covers a variety of white anger in a pre-internet era.  He's mad at white corporate America, he's mad at white bank executives, he's mad at the homophobic army surplus store guy.
It's very 'angry white men' but it splits a difference between angry working white guy and angry old white golfers and angry white banker and angry korean store owner and angry gang members and angry white homophobe and angry road construction budget bureaucracy.  It's still all sort or masturbatory revenge fantasy.

I remember comediens joking about McDonald's breakfast ending at 10:30 but the automatic weapon scene is what tells you 'angry white working man' isn't exactly the good guy.
 
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