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2018-02-19 02:04:55 AM  
At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.
 
2018-02-19 02:35:03 AM  
We just had ANOTHER shooting in a school that killed 17 kids, and we can't curb gun sales, and you Brits think that the US will do anything about even synthetic opiod deaths? Unless those synthetic opioids make white dudes' d*cks fall off, good luck with that...
 
2018-02-19 02:37:43 AM  

hubiestubert: We just had ANOTHER shooting in a school that killed 17 kids, and we can't curb gun sales, and you Brits think that the US will do anything about even synthetic opiod deaths? Unless those synthetic opioids make white dudes' d*cks fall off, good luck with that...


I remember when this planet used to be cool.

/that's probably not a climate change joke
 
2018-02-19 05:20:43 AM  
As long as the drug companies make money hand over fist, there won't be much more than lip service paid to solve the opioid epidemic while the GOP is in charge.  Marginally better response with the Dems in charge depending on what their funding looks like.
 
2018-02-19 05:21:14 AM  
Nodding off in agreement.
 
2018-02-19 05:22:27 AM  
I agree with OP.  Answer is Lol, no.  The war against drugs is a colossal failure to control drugs.  I believe it never was meant to.  I believe that the whole purpose of this drug war was to put large amounts of tax dollars in certain hands.  Giant fortunes have been made from everything from private prisons to military gear sales going to local police forces, to sales of stuff like Oxycontin.

It isn't a mitigation system, it's an artificial market, and we're the fodder being fed into the gristmill.  If the drug problem was actually ever solved, a whole lot of rich people would be earning less money, and that will never do.
 
2018-02-19 05:24:12 AM  
The only way this country will ever make any meaningful, positive reforms is if Republicans are shoved out of our government en masse,until they are completely powerless. There is nothing redeemable about the GOP; everything they claim to be (patriots, Christians, capitalists, fiscally responsible...hell, even conservatives) is a bald-faced lie. They don't fight gun control because they give a shiat about the Second Amendment, or the Constitution in general; they fight it because gun control would mean gun manufacturers would make less money. Plus, like abortion, it's a useful tool to get the ignorant in line.

Their only goal is to concentrate as much wealth into as few hands as possible, to the detriment of the United States and the rest of the world. If you aren't one of those very few people the GOP wants to enrich, you are completely expendable to them.
 
2018-02-19 05:28:58 AM  
It's at least a little ironic that the writer of TFA looks like the grownup version of this kid:

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2018-02-19 05:35:30 AM  

Cpl.D: I agree with OP.  Answer is Lol, no.  The war against drugs is a colossal failure to control drugs.  I believe it never was meant to.  I believe that the whole purpose of this drug war was to put large amounts of tax dollars in certain hands.  Giant fortunes have been made from everything from private prisons to military gear sales going to local police forces, to sales of stuff like Oxycontin.

It isn't a mitigation system, it's an artificial market, and we're the fodder being fed into the gristmill.  If the drug problem was actually ever solved, a whole lot of rich people would be earning less money, and that will never do.


That's the tip of the iceberg.  Think about the infrastructure, top-to-bottom from government to the weapons industry that supplies all these SWAT teams, that relies on the drug war for employment/income.
 
2018-02-19 05:38:03 AM  

Naido: That's the tip of the iceberg.  Think about the infrastructure, top-to-bottom from government to the weapons industry that supplies all these SWAT teams, that relies on the drug war for employment/income.


Absolutely.

If Trump actually wanted a massive victory and success (he does) he can make the world better for everyone (he definitely doesn't care) by simply adopting the netherlandic model of drug addiction handling.  It would cost money, sure, but it would be more than covered by the things we would be spending far far less in, generating a pretty hefty return.  The economy would skyrocket and illegal immigration would dwindle.  But he'll never do it, because the people near him won't let him consider it.
 
2018-02-19 05:42:56 AM  
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Whomever created this Universe has surely lifted this cover with a contemplative yet twitchy finger by now...
 
2018-02-19 05:51:09 AM  
Fentanyl Deaths - That's my new Death Crib Metal Name
 
2018-02-19 05:54:11 AM  

Cpl.D: Naido: That's the tip of the iceberg.  Think about the infrastructure, top-to-bottom from government to the weapons industry that supplies all these SWAT teams, that relies on the drug war for employment/income.

Absolutely.

If Trump actually wanted a massive victory and success (he does) he can make the world better for everyone (he definitely doesn't care) by simply adopting the netherlandic model of drug addiction handling.  It would cost money, sure, but it would be more than covered by the things we would be spending far far less in, generating a pretty hefty return.  The economy would skyrocket and illegal immigration would dwindle.  But he'll never do it, because the people near him won't let him consider it.


That, and half the small town police departments in the country are funded with the fruits of drug seizure laws, especially in states where taxes have been cut over and over for decades.
 
2018-02-19 05:55:25 AM  
TFA says Fentanyl killed Michael Jackson... I thought it was Propofol administered without due care.
 
2018-02-19 06:12:52 AM  
Most drugs have some kind of buzz, or high, or hallucinatory quality. I'd be interested to know what the attraction is in a drug that at best makes you comatose and at worse kills you.
 
2018-02-19 06:25:11 AM  
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Let them have their drugs, Thins the herd and Kirk can't fark them all.
 
2018-02-19 06:37:17 AM  
Subby: Lol no
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                             Lol: You don't know how to ease my pain
 
2018-02-19 06:37:44 AM  

drxym: Most drugs have some kind of buzz, or high, or hallucinatory quality. I'd be interested to know what the attraction is in a drug that at best makes you comatose and at worse kills you.


Have you seen this timeline?
 
2018-02-19 06:43:56 AM  
Not sure why subby used the tag he did, given the article is about UK drug policy.
 
2018-02-19 06:49:21 AM  

davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.


At this point, I kinda want pot to stay illegal just to mess with it's more annoying enthusiasts.
 
2018-02-19 06:59:23 AM  

havocmike: davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.

At this point, I kinda want pot to stay illegal just to mess with it's more annoying enthusiasts.


Yes, the libs can get annoying.
My greatest wish is that conservatives were merely annoying.
 
2018-02-19 07:02:35 AM  
I morbidly joke that my brother was a trend setter.

He overdosed on Fentanyl in 2009.

/I miss drinking with him
 
2018-02-19 07:20:05 AM  

RottNDude: TFA says Fentanyl killed Michael Jackson... I thought it was Propofol administered without due care.


Right, it was Prince who died of Fentanyl, not Jackson.
 
2018-02-19 07:33:03 AM  

LordJiro: They don't fight gun control because they give a shiat about the Second Amendment, or the Constitution in general; they fight it because gun control would mean gun manufacturers would make less money.


Does that really make sense to you? Do you really believe that? Do you think half of America cares how gun companies are doing? There are only two that are publicly traded. Smith & Wesson and Ruger. All the others are privately held.

LordJiro: Their only goal is to concentrate as much wealth into as few hands as possible, to the detriment of the United States and the rest of the world.


Wow. You've got this whole thing figured out. Nice.
 
2018-02-19 07:41:50 AM  

Destructor: LordJiro: They don't fight gun control because they give a shiat about the Second Amendment, or the Constitution in general; they fight it because gun control would mean gun manufacturers would make less money.

Does that really make sense to you? Do you really believe that? Do you think half of America cares how gun companies are doing? There are only two that are publicly traded. Smith & Wesson and Ruger. All the others are privately held.


That doesn't change the equation. Those companies make a hell of a lot of money and send a substantial percentage of it to the NRA (and several other public relations firms) to support their lobbying Congress to keep their markets open no matter what.

The other companies not mentioned, do exactly the same thing.

LordJiro: Their only goal is to concentrate as much wealth into as few hands as possible, to the detriment of the United States and the rest of the world.

Wow. You've got this whole thing figured out. Nice.


The entire purpose of the Second Amendment in terms of the current economic and political climate is to support the rights of companies to sell guns, not the rights of individuals to buy them.
 
2018-02-19 07:47:35 AM  

davidphogan: hubiestubert: We just had ANOTHER shooting in a school that killed 17 kids, and we can't curb gun sales, and you Brits think that the US will do anything about even synthetic opiod deaths? Unless those synthetic opioids make white dudes' d*cks fall off, good luck with that...

I remember when this planet used to be cool.

/that's probably not a climate change joke


No, generally life has been violent hell since the dawn of the species.
 
2018-02-19 07:56:40 AM  

Deathfrogg: That doesn't change the equation. Those companies make a hell of a lot of money and send a substantial percentage of it to the NRA (and several other public relations firms) to support their lobbying Congress to keep their markets open no matter what.

The other companies not mentioned, do exactly the same thing.


This is actually quite a relief. For a while, I thought it was the idiot voters that made decisions regarding things like gun control and gun rights (man, I hate those guys). But now that I know it's all just a bunch of faceless corporations, we can really do something. What, I don't know. But something.
 
2018-02-19 08:01:23 AM  
I think we should listen to what he has to say. This John Harris guy is white and appears very concerned.

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2018-02-19 08:17:20 AM  
This Administration already said they don't care and won't do anything about it. So there's your answer for now.
 
2018-02-19 08:22:45 AM  

davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.


Potheads do kill people in my city weekly.  So I'm not getting where people say pot is that calming.  The murder trial I sat on, the motive for the murder, the killers were there to steal pot.  The coworker's son who was killed, was killed by his pot dealer.

/There is likely other substances they did too, but pot wasn't chilling them out
//some believe alcohol calms them too
///drunks kill people as well
 
2018-02-19 08:32:17 AM  

Kit Fister: No, generally life has been violent hell since the dawn of the species.


There is probably less human conflict and violence in the world right now than there has ever been at any point before.
 
2018-02-19 08:36:11 AM  

give me doughnuts: Kit Fister: No, generally life has been violent hell since the dawn of the species.

There is probably less human conflict and violence in the world right now than there has ever been at any point before.


This is true, and yet, it's still a violent and dangerous place.
 
2018-02-19 08:40:34 AM  

Deathfrogg: The entire purpose of the Second Amendment in terms of the current economic and political climate is to support the rights of companies to sell guns, not the rights of individuals to buy them.


That's not the original purpose, not by a long shot, but yeah, it's what has been perverted into these days.  The original purpose was to save money by creating a system in which the USA would never need a permanent standing army, only a navy (aircraft did not exist at the time) to keep pirates away from our trade lanes.  The idea was that no one was going to invade a country where every citizen was armed, and for the most part it worked.

Thing is, though, back in yonder days, an "assault rifle" was a single shot musket.  If one wanted to slay an entire crowd of people they'd be far more effective just hopping on a horse and using an old fashioned cavalry saber.  So that's one thing that changed in a way they Founders never anticipated.  The definition of "military grade" weapon came into existence for the first time, because before there was really no difference between what a farmer used to chase of foxes and what a soldier used to conquer nations.

And of course we now have a permanent standing army as part of the deal, which sucks about half our GDP every year but we can't live without it because since 1776 we've managed to piss off pretty much the entire planet and besides, any politician that would dare suggest cutting their budget would end up with a 50BMG going through their skull within seconds.  So now they've got to have the latest, flashiest, shiniest new weaponry every single year because reasons.  And since the army has it, so does everyone else.  Again, this is something the Founders could never have anticipated.

And let's not forget the all important foreign markets.  The one thing the Founders probably did foresee, and yet - to their horror - free trade has become a monster.  Those people getting killed in Mexico's drug war?  70 of those guns are made in the USA, and yet we're the ones who want to build a wall to keep them out?

Don't get me wrong, the 2nd Amendment was a brilliant idea at the time, especially back when "militia group" meant patriots who would defend for their beloved government, as opposed to the modern meaning of racist psychos who want to see the government burn.  The original principle is still valid as well.  The problem is that it's not being followed.

American gun owners were meant to be what has now become the domain of the National Guard.  I have no problem with this idea.  Want to buy an assault rifle?  Fine, head on down to the army base and a Master Sergeant will instruct you on the proper care, handling, and use of one in a safe & responsible manner.  He/she will then have you sworn in as the official US Militia, to serve right behind the Army if we get invaded.  Oh, and the beauty of it?  Gun crimes would now be under the purview of military tribunals.
 
2018-02-19 08:45:05 AM  

Destructor: This is actually quite a relief. For a while, I thought it was the idiot voters that made decisions regarding things like gun control and gun rights (man, I hate those guys). But now that I know it's all just a bunch of faceless corporations, we can really do something. What, I don't know. But something.


Because each voter thoroughly researches the issues, and finds people who will be the best candidates and gets them on the ballot. It's all isolated decisions by individuals, with no influence from monied interest groups.

Yep, you got it all figured out.
 
2018-02-19 08:47:44 AM  

lack of warmth: davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.

Potheads do kill people in my city weekly.  So I'm not getting where people say pot is that calming.  The murder trial I sat on, the motive for the murder, the killers were there to steal pot.  The coworker's son who was killed, was killed by his pot dealer.

/There is likely other substances they did too, but pot wasn't chilling them out
//some believe alcohol calms them too
///drunks kill people as well


Those aren't potheads, those are dealers. Legalize it.
 
2018-02-19 08:56:16 AM  

NephilimNexus: Gun crimes would now be under the purview of military tribunals.


Nat'l guard does not fall under the purview of the UCMJ, unless they are called up and activated as part of the federal system. Otherwise, they are state organizations and fall under civilian law.
 
2018-02-19 09:04:48 AM  

NephilimNexus: And let's not forget the all important foreign markets.  The one thing the Founders probably did foresee, and yet - to their horror - free trade has become a monster.  Those people getting killed in Mexico's drug war?  70 of those guns are made in the USA, and yet we're the ones who want to build a wall to keep them out?


You realize that those statistics were debunked, right? And reflected not a percentage of the total, just the percentage of the ones that could be traced. And you can thank the ATF for that.

look, I have likewise been advocating for gun owners to bear some responsibilities to give back. I'm a huge fan of the idea of civil service and requiring training and responsibilities as an extension of the national guard. I think it's an awesome idea.  It won't happen, unfortunately, but i love hte idea.
 
2018-02-19 09:10:21 AM  

RottNDude: [img.fark.net image 425x425]

Whomever created this Universe has surely lifted this cover with a contemplative yet twitchy finger by now...


Given the scale of the Universe, I doubt we are of any concern to a theoretical entity that had a button like that. If you had 10 mile beach of white sand, and there was a yellow grain of sand somewhere, would you notice?
 
2018-02-19 09:12:53 AM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: Not sure why subby used the tag he did, given the article is about UK drug policy.


While TFA is in the 'Guardian, US Edition' even the author seems a bit confused.

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He starts off discussing US entertainers dying of ODs, though not all from Fentanyl.
After the opening paragraphs, the majority of the piece covers UK policy.

Now we're talking about guns. Lets move on to Russia and nuclear arms.
 
2018-02-19 09:23:13 AM  

jaytkay: Because each voter thoroughly researches the issues


That's what they're supposed to do.

jaytkay: with no influence from monied interest groups.


And if that's what's happening, then it's an indictment against democracy. Check my math on this one.

The time and energy spent on trying to level the playing field would be better spent educating the voting public on their actual responsibilities as participants as citizens in a Democracy.
 
2018-02-19 10:39:49 AM  
Hard core drug use is usually a one-way trip to an early grave anyway, this just speeds it along.
It reduces the time of their suffering and saves money.  Just reclassify the deaths to what they are (suicides) and move on.
 
2018-02-19 10:51:10 AM  

Cache: havocmike: davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.

At this point, I kinda want pot to stay illegal just to mess with it's more annoying enthusiasts.

Yes, the libs can get annoying.
My greatest wish is that conservatives were merely annoying.


They're like... beyond politics man.
 
2018-02-19 11:16:14 AM  

Naido: Cpl.D: I agree with OP.  Answer is Lol, no.  The war against drugs is a colossal failure to control drugs.  I believe it never was meant to.  I believe that the whole purpose of this drug war was to put large amounts of tax dollars in certain hands.  Giant fortunes have been made from everything from private prisons to military gear sales going to local police forces, to sales of stuff like Oxycontin.

It isn't a mitigation system, it's an artificial market, and we're the fodder being fed into the gristmill.  If the drug problem was actually ever solved, a whole lot of rich people would be earning less money, and that will never do.

That's the tip of the iceberg.  Think about the infrastructure, top-to-bottom from government to the weapons industry that supplies all these SWAT teams, that relies on the drug war for employment/income.


Casket makers, funeral homes, medical examiners. The list is almost endless.
 
2018-02-19 11:21:09 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: lack of warmth: davidphogan: At least pot is still illegal.  I get murdered by potheads at least once a week.

Potheads do kill people in my city weekly.  So I'm not getting where people say pot is that calming.  The murder trial I sat on, the motive for the murder, the killers were there to steal pot.  The coworker's son who was killed, was killed by his pot dealer.

/There is likely other substances they did too, but pot wasn't chilling them out
//some believe alcohol calms them too
///drunks kill people as well

Those aren't potheads, those are dealers. Legalize it.


Only one story I shared was of dealers, the rest were just smokers.  There is no doubt over 90% of shootings in Flint are done by potheads, and they're just as likely to be heavy drinkers.

Lately, the shootings have gotten a bit more grisly.  A guy on probation killed two relatives, and a third person who happened to be there, one gang fired on a rival gang member's family during a child's birthday party, and there was a shootout at an apartment.  They were shooting at each other through a closed door.  It's like they started getting ideas from shows like The Shield and movies.
 
2018-02-19 11:30:59 AM  
and the UK banned Kratom. Mb they should rethink that.
 
2018-02-19 11:45:44 AM  

wantingout: and the UK banned Kratom. Mb they should rethink that.


It was almost banned by the DEA here in the States... fortunately it's still available AFAIK...

I can vouch for its effectiveness. But it makes me barf sometimes.
 
2018-02-19 12:32:54 PM  
about 64,000 people died from overdoses in 2016

And roughly 88,000 people died from alcohol related fatalities.  Where's the crisis there?
 
2018-02-19 12:56:57 PM  

idrow: about 64,000 people died from overdoses in 2016

And roughly 88,000 people died from alcohol related fatalities.  Where's the crisis there?


I think it's pretty well understood that alcohol is a dangerous drug that is legal.

Anyways, alcohol and fentanyl are made by corporations and taxed by gov't so they're legal.  Heroin and pot are made by Mexicans and dirty hippies, so are illegal.  It's taken like ... 100 years? to get pot legal again in a couple states.  Heroin's not even close down the list.
 
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