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(Patch)   Pedo perv retired preacher doesn't get charged with any crimes because the word of one girl isn't enough for a search warrant. Even if that one girl was traumatized when she saw child porn on his phone. In the he said/she said rules of life, he won   ( patch.com) divider line
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2018-02-17 10:13:49 PM  
I'm subby, and one look at his face and into his eyes made my skin crawl.
 
2018-02-17 10:46:52 PM  
There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice
 
2018-02-18 12:17:55 AM  
And of course recording anything to prove the truth against hearsay is also a crime, and the evidence inadmissable.
 
2018-02-18 12:24:20 AM  

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2018-02-18 12:25:15 AM  

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


Guilty men go free more than innocent men.  They're more likely to take advantage of a trial.
 
2018-02-18 12:26:00 AM  

KaneTheMediocre: And of course recording anything to prove the truth against hearsay is also a crime, and the evidence inadmissable.


Depends on which state you're in.
 
2018-02-18 12:27:04 AM  

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


Get help.
 
2018-02-18 12:29:05 AM  

Jeebus Saves: cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice

What the hell is wrong with you?


Whats wrong with you? You are white knighting assholes like the asshole in the article.

Guess what? America is changing. Get over it and stop white knighting those who deserve to be behind bars. This is the #MeToo era.
 
2018-02-18 12:29:23 AM  

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


Unless you are that innocent 1
 
2018-02-18 12:29:27 AM  

Kirablue42: I'm subby, and one look at his face and into his eyes made my skin crawl.


Your headline sucks.  Sorry you live in a country with a justice system instead of mob rule.  Maybe you'd feel more at home in Best Korea or Saudi Arabia.
 
2018-02-18 12:29:54 AM  

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


They immediately announced the dude's retirement; sooooo he's probably guilty as sin. BUUUUT, they only have the one eyewitness. And statements made by eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.


/ You could probably find a judge to issue a warrant, but it is also POSSIBLE that the piks are completely legal
 
2018-02-18 12:30:04 AM  
One witness and no evidence isn't sufficient enough to do anything, or at least it shouldn't be.  Think about it.  If a random person just told the cops you had something illegal on your phone would you gladly hand it over?  Especially knowing that the police have devices that can pretty much clone your phone and steal all your personal data.

The fact that he retired and the school scrubbed him from their website does sound like typical RCC handling of pedophile priests, but that's not evidence either.
 
2018-02-18 12:30:44 AM  
His face says " I look at naked boy photos ", pass the collection plate.
 
2018-02-18 12:31:47 AM  

cman: Jeebus Saves: cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice

What the hell is wrong with you?

Whats wrong with you? You are white knighting assholes like the asshole in the article.

Guess what? America is changing. Get over it and stop white knighting those who deserve to be behind bars. This is the #MeToo era.


Yep, Americas changing.  More fascist every day.
 
2018-02-18 12:34:29 AM  

cman: The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


Depends on if you're that 1 innocent man.
 
2018-02-18 12:37:58 AM  
This is why you never talk to the cops. Guilty or innocent, the only chance you'll ever have against a serious accusation is to let your lawyer do all the talking, and make the cops prove everything on their own, or they will nail you.

cman: There is no justice in America

The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice


What the hell is with all the people who say that? The original quote is one free guilty man is better than one innocent in prison, not a hundred. Transforming that into 100 was just an attempt to undermine respect for criminal procedure.
 
2018-02-18 12:40:11 AM  

foxyshadis: What the hell is with all the people who say that? The original quote is one free guilty man is better than one innocent in prison, not a hundred. Transforming that into 100 was just an attempt to undermine respect for criminal procedure.


Actually, the original quote is:
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them."
 
2018-02-18 12:40:16 AM  

foxyshadis: The original quote is one free guilty man is better than one innocent in prison


Lawyer!

In criminal law, Blackstone's formulation is the principle that: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
 
2018-02-18 12:41:34 AM  

Jeebus Saves: foxyshadis: What the hell is with all the people who say that? The original quote is one free guilty man is better than one innocent in prison, not a hundred. Transforming that into 100 was just an attempt to undermine respect for criminal procedure.

Actually, the original quote is:
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them."


And furthermore, it was Ben Franklin.

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706-90)
QUOTATION: That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.
 
2018-02-18 12:44:11 AM  
 A posting in the Southern Hemisphere is probably in this guys future then as he has been removed from his current gig. The RC's like to shuffle em' around lest one gets too comfortable.
Article needs more Spotlight.
 
2018-02-18 12:45:37 AM  

doglover: Jeebus Saves: foxyshadis: What the hell is with all the people who say that? The original quote is one free guilty man is better than one innocent in prison, not a hundred. Transforming that into 100 was just an attempt to undermine respect for criminal procedure.

Actually, the original quote is:
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them."

And furthermore, it was Ben Franklin.

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706-90)
QUOTATION: That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.


I thought it was Clancy Wiggum who said it.  Franklin has had a lot of quotes misattributed to him.
 
2018-02-18 12:48:05 AM  
The fact that he was "retired" and removed from all listings and due to it being the Catholic Church who has a history of cover up and re-assigning accused to other cities under new names sure makes it look suspicious.
 
2018-02-18 12:50:01 AM  

TAOCHOW: The fact that he was "retired" and removed from all listings and due to it being the Catholic Church who has a history of cover up and re-assigning accused to other cities under new names sure makes it look suspicious.


Or it makes complete sense in this day and age.  Fire everyone after an allegation.
 
2018-02-18 12:51:03 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Franklin has had a lot of quotes misattributed to him.


This one is pretty well cited for a misatribution.

Why can't multiple people say it? It's certainly common as glod now.
 
2018-02-18 12:52:38 AM  

doglover: Jeebus Saves: Franklin has had a lot of quotes misattributed to him.

This one is pretty well cited for a misatribution.

Why can't multiple people say it? It's certainly common as glod now.


Did you even look up the quote I posted.  I'm positive I'm right.
 
2018-02-18 12:52:38 AM  

poot_rootbeer: cman: The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice

Depends on if you're that 1 innocent man.


That does not even exist in Chicagoland. Thousands of black and brown men were tortured into false confessions. I only see natives entitled white men repeating that quote to be honest. Cause guess what? There's a much higher chance the police will never bother them their whole lives.
 
2018-02-18 12:53:19 AM  
There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.
 
2018-02-18 12:54:24 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.


Sorry.  Should have left that for you to decide.
 
2018-02-18 12:56:28 AM  

Jeebus Saves: God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.

Sorry.  Should have left that for you to decide.


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2018-02-18 01:01:43 AM  
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2018-02-18 01:09:54 AM  
"The idea of seeing 100 guilty men going free than rather seeing 1 innocent man locked up is a shiat way to have justice"

Blackwell's ratio is 10 to 1. If you have stats above that you need to share it with the nearest DA.

Otherwise, and I realize you have strong feelings on the subject but

STICK A RUSTY CACTUS LITERALLY IN YOUR ASSHOLE AND WHEN IT DOESN'T FIT USE A SLEDGEHAMMER MADE OF FIREWORKS THAT GOES OFF BEAR BUMS.
 
2018-02-18 01:13:22 AM  

Jeebus Saves: TAOCHOW: The fact that he was "retired" and removed from all listings and due to it being the Catholic Church who has a history of cover up and re-assigning accused to other cities under new names sure makes it look suspicious.

Or it makes complete sense in this day and age.  Fire everyone after an allegation.


Bullshiat.  It's standard operating procedure for the catholic church when they know they are dealing with a pervert.  I knew a kid that committed suicide after being molested by Monsignor O'Brien back in the 80's.  They reassigned him and eventually he ended up working in a hospital where he'd have ample access to children.  After he retired they told him he could no longer call himself a priest, that was  all the punishment he received.  He died before anyone went public with accusations against him.  But the church knew all sorts of stuff about him.  My parents knew people on the parish council who regularly had to respond to removing women from the rectory, or picking him up some place when he was too drunk to drive home.  The church has been complicit in this for decades.

I've got no doubt that this guy did something for the church to react like this, but so far there's just not enough evidence to go with.
 
2018-02-18 01:13:53 AM  
Okay well, as traumatized as the girl no doubt was, the cops weren't able to interview her for three weeks, and all she could tell them was that she saw a boy who appeared to be thirteen, standing up, with his hands at his sides, and the man was looking at it.

If there was more to it, she wasn't able to say what it was. And so no, that just isn't enough for probable cause for a warrant. No prosecutor would take it to court, and any defense attorney could get it tossed in a half a page.
 
2018-02-18 01:15:14 AM  
When an innocent man is freed from jail, it's a headline. When an innocent man is executed it is a headline. We should be in the streets demanding answers.

When a guilty man goes free we riot.

This is not how America is supposed to work.
 
2018-02-18 01:16:34 AM  
While it's fast fading, we still have something of a fair legal system left. "He looks guilty" is not yet a reason to skip it. "Someone says they saw something on someone else's phone" is not much in the way of evidence; the "guilty until proven innocent" approach has given us SWATting and harassment. And "his employer, who we've been castigating - and sueing- for doing nothing, to the point where they dare not continue doing nothing no matter how tenuous the accusation, did something; that proves he's guilty" is not valid either. Even if they knew for an absolute fact that he was 100% innocent, given the choice between giving an innocent man the boot and being sued for not doing so, innocent or otherwise, they're pretty much going for the former.

That's what people have been demanding, after all: an unproven, even unprovable, accusation should be enough to cost someone their job and/or their entire career. It just did. But that doesn't mean that said accusation rises to the level of legal evidence. And anyone who hasn't had their house or property - or their pizza shop - searche, and opened up to a fishing expedition, because some person said, with absolutely no support whatsoever, that they did something bad, should be thankful.

To people who think otherwise, I'd like to bring up the McMartin preschool case, and the Dalton Street raid: one an example of "accusation equals guilt" justice, the other an example of what can happen if the cops get frustrated by not finding any actual evidence when they "know" someone is guilty and decide, in their own words, to make an apartment uninhabitable.

The whole "due process" thing protects all of us - the innocent most of all.
 
2018-02-18 01:20:40 AM  
"He's clearly guilty" is how piles of black men have been killed by the state for crimes they probably did not commit.
 
2018-02-18 01:22:25 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.


Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.
 
2018-02-18 01:29:01 AM  

Worldwalker: God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.

Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.


 When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.
 
2018-02-18 01:33:02 AM  

KeithLM: One witness and no evidence isn't sufficient enough to do anything, or at least it shouldn't be.  Think about it.  If a random person just told the cops you had something illegal on your phone would you gladly hand it over?  Especially knowing that the police have devices that can pretty much clone your phone and steal all your personal data.

The fact that he retired and the school scrubbed him from their website does sound like typical RCC handling of pedophile priests, but that's not evidence either.


Well, the fact the guy's lawyer basically admitted that his client destroyed / disposed of the phone is also pretty good indication that there were things on there he didn't want the police to see.
 
2018-02-18 01:34:27 AM  

Worldwalker: Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.


I just heard that last week.  "Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?"

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.


But "He says he's innocent, and I think you have to remember that."
 
2018-02-18 01:37:51 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Worldwalker: Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.

I just heard that last week.  "Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?"

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.

But "He says he's innocent, and I think you have to remember that."


Yeah, no.
 
2018-02-18 01:48:44 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: I judged


Luckily for us all, you lack the legal mandate to actually do that.
 
2018-02-18 01:49:47 AM  
Church: "If you bury this for us you will have our blessings."
Judge: "How many blessings?"
Church: "Will ten thousand do?"
Judge: "Consider it buried."
 
2018-02-18 01:50:48 AM  
So many sane posts, is Fark broken?
 
2018-02-18 01:56:57 AM  

doglover: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: I judged

Luckily for us all, you lack the legal mandate to actually do that.


Lucky for the ex priest too.
 
2018-02-18 01:59:02 AM  
Related to Lindsey Graham?
 
2018-02-18 02:17:01 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: Worldwalker: God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.

Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.

 When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.


"If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"

I wouldn't turn over my phone either and the worst thing on it is photos of my cats. I wouldn't let the cops search my house without a warrant and the worst thing in here is those same cats.

There are amendments other than the 2nd.
 
2018-02-18 02:19:35 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: Worldwalker: God_Almighty_Himself: There are some really surprising and disappointing names here defending this pedophile.

Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.

 When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.


I wouldn't turn over my phone to an officer without a warrant, and the most damning thing on my phone is the Fark app. It's like saying that people exercising their 5th-amednment rights must be guilty, and the Supreme Court vehemently disagrees with that notion

/I don't have any difficulty believing that he's likely to be guilty, though
//and he himself bears some responsibility, being a member of the Catholic Church
 
2018-02-18 02:19:37 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Worldwalker: Because some of us still believe that "he looks guilty" is not enough to overcome the legal system's requirement for actual evidence.

If there was such evidence, then throw the book at him. But in the absence of said evidence, it's not this guy we're defending-it's the whole legal presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. A presumption that must be maintained to protect ALL of us.

I just heard that last week.  "Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?"

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: When he refused to turn over his phone with the officer and another priest in the room, I judged the kid diddler guilty.

But "He says he's innocent, and I think you have to remember that."


One major difference: people's lives are not "being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation."
 
2018-02-18 02:19:48 AM  
So basically a bunch of farkers with brain damage are saying, "he looks guilty so let's completely ignore the very foundation of our justice system."

This country is farked.
 
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