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(Politico)   Robert Mueller's indictment revealed Russian operatives working to aid Bernie Sanders' campaign in the Democratic primary against Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders' reaction: ""   ( politico.com) divider line
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2018-02-17 12:22:54 PM  
Of course. Because when you target a Democrat the only person you need to help is the Republican. Maybe they figured if they could get rid of her BEFORE the General Election it would save time?

Or does that make too much sense?
 
2018-02-17 01:06:23 PM  
IT'S STILL REAL TO THE BROS, MAN!
 
2018-02-17 01:11:27 PM  
What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.
 
2018-02-17 01:14:00 PM  
Is four apostrophes better or worse than three ?
 
2018-02-17 01:15:42 PM  

One Bad Apple: Is four apostrophes better or worse than three ?


Well, that is, after all, the crux of the biscuit
 
2018-02-17 01:19:51 PM  

STDMan69: Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.


How is it a "Both Sides are Bad" argument?

Also, isn't the "There's no evidence that X colluded in the indictment" argument the same one the Trump fans use?
 
2018-02-17 01:19:54 PM  
Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.
 
2018-02-17 01:24:13 PM  

STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.


But, you see, Bernie spent his honeymoon in Russia 30 years ago (Even though he went as part of official duties) which PROVES that he was a commie sympathizer (Even though communism was effectively dead in '87) so OF COURSE he was more than willing to accept help from the Russians!!!!

/If there's any evidence that he willingly asked for or accepted help, that's one thing
//And would absolutely deserve to be investigated
///Until any such evidence is brought to light, STFU
 
2018-02-17 01:30:21 PM  

RexTalionis: STDMan69: Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.

How is it a "Both Sides are Bad" argument?

Also, isn't the "There's no evidence that X colluded in the indictment" argument the same one the Trump fans use?



1. It depends on you read the headline, at the minimum it is an implied false equivalence

2. Whar evidence? You can't possibly not see the difference.
 
2018-02-17 01:34:10 PM  
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2018-02-17 01:34:21 PM  
Russia was very serious about not seeing Hillary Clinton as president. More justification for why she would have made a good president. She scares the shiat out of one our main adversaries.
 
2018-02-17 01:37:38 PM  
Jill Stein is the real story here.
 
2018-02-17 01:37:43 PM  
Prop Bernie up even though Hillary was gonna win and piss off a bunch of Bernie supporters into not voting. Especially with BS claims that it was rigged. Now I'm not saying all, but enough to matter.
 
2018-02-17 01:37:55 PM  

STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.


Who said Bernie colluded? The point is, and you can't see it for you rage of all things Clinton, he very much benefited.
 
2018-02-17 01:38:54 PM  
There are Reddit subs dedicated to all the posts/comments (In the thousands) they have identified as being from Fake Russian accounts. Is Fark looking into how many Russian sponsored users they had/have and what damage they did/impact they had here?
 
2018-02-17 01:39:02 PM  
"It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 elections and intends to be involved in the 2018 elections. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs," Sanders said in a statement. "It is absolutely imperative that the Mueller investigation be allowed to go forward without obstruction from the Trump administration or Congress."

Damn him to hell for responding like an adult and not giving the GOP any ammo. Damn him.

/nice HillsBros headline
 
2018-02-17 01:39:53 PM  
Good God, no one is accusing Bernie of colluding.  I just find it funny, especially on this site, that the whole election people claimed there was a pro Bernie subset that was Russian.  And people offended and acted like it was crazy talk.

I voted for the man.  But some stuff you saw on the internet you knew was Russian bots/trolls.
 
2018-02-17 01:40:36 PM  

STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.


Thread over, man. Thread over.

Non-story. No reason for Bernie to say anything other than let Mueller do his job.
 
2018-02-17 01:40:51 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.

Who said Bernie colluded? The point is, and you can't see it for you rage of all things Clinton, he very much benefited.


Where the fark do I have rage of things Clinton? Get your head out of your ass with your preconceived biases. I'm saying it is dangerous talk to try and put this in the same category as what Trump did. Bernie did nothing with the Russians. Trump did. Do you not see a farking difference?
 
2018-02-17 01:40:51 PM  
Yeah and Jill Stein, Ralph Nadar, and some long shot New Yorker for the Reform Party back in 2000... uh wtf was that guy's name? Pussy? Wait no! It was Donald Trump.
 
2018-02-17 01:40:54 PM  
A lot of the so-called "Bernie Bros" were spouting the same vicious, hateful rhetoric against Hillary that the Trumpskis were. They were also the ones booing SANDERS when he conceded the race, and rallying the Sanders supporters to vote for him anyway.

Remember, the goal was never to get Trump elected, it was primarily to NOT LET CLINTON get elected.
 
2018-02-17 01:41:17 PM  

ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.


I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?
 
2018-02-17 01:41:45 PM  

ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.


This. It's likely they did a broad net approach to disrupt the election as much as possible.
 
2018-02-17 01:42:08 PM  

gunga galunga: STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.

Thread over, man. Thread over.

Non-story. No reason for Bernie to say anything other than let Mueller do his job.


NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!

Ok now the thread's over.
 
2018-02-17 01:42:08 PM  
What is he supposed to say?
 
2018-02-17 01:42:12 PM  
The Russians were sowing chaos, yes, but they seemed to have some complex financial relationships with Trump and his campaign. Is there a Sanders Hotel in Novosibirsk?
 
2018-02-17 01:42:17 PM  
I am pretty sure the Russians were just stirring the pot in whatever way they could. It is not a problem for U.S. politicians unless the politicians actively and knowingly engaged with the Russians (like Trump and company).
 
2018-02-17 01:42:19 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Prop Bernie up even though Hillary was gonna win and piss off a bunch of Bernie supporters into not voting. Especially with BS claims that it was rigged. Now I'm not saying all, but enough to matter.


Candidate Trump was doing that at rallies.
 
2018-02-17 01:43:23 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Jill Stein is the real story here.


Now this is quite possibly something.
 
2018-02-17 01:43:50 PM  

ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.


A lot of people (myself included) will never forgive Sanders for staying in the race for 6 weeks after he had been mathematically eliminated. I have other problems with his canidacy, but that was all kinds of wrong.
 
2018-02-17 01:43:52 PM  
Seriously, I just want to know if and how many of those folks were here on Fark stirring up trouble. I'm sure Drew knows, I think we should know too, account names, number of posts, everything.
 
2018-02-17 01:43:58 PM  

Print'sNotDead: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?


I don't think there were any Russians here, just Bernie Bros who fell victim to their misinformation campiagn.
 
2018-02-17 01:44:00 PM  
What's he supposed to say?
 
2018-02-17 01:44:01 PM  

You Bet Your Ass: Good God, no one is accusing Bernie of colluding.  I just find it funny, especially on this site, that the whole election people claimed there was a pro Bernie subset that was Russian.  And people offended and acted like it was crazy talk.

I voted for the man.  But some stuff you saw on the internet you knew was Russian bots/trolls.


There is still a cadre of Berniebots who show up and heap venom on Hillary, all the time insisting they have nothing against her personally, just that she was the wrong candidate.

Either it's pathological...or its paid for.
 
2018-02-17 01:44:32 PM  
Bernie himself is almost certainly in the clear. He didn't have anything to do with the dumbasses waging Holy War in his name with Russian-supplied ammunition, whether here or elsewhere on the Internet.

I have severe concerns with how he chose to hang on well past the point of viability and therefore extend the acrimonious civil war going on at the grassroots level, but that decision was ultimately his right to make. He thought, as Clinton did, that her November victory was a foregone conclusion, so nothing would be lost by holding her feet to the fire a bit longer to win a few policy concessions he could cash in during her first term. But then she lost, and lost by only a few tens of thousands of votes in a few states -- meaning literally every decision anyone made could have made the difference between victory and defeat -- so that turned out to be a boneheaded call.  But it was an honest boneheaded call, like so many others the Democrats made.

And ultimately, all the boneheaded Democratic calls in the world don't absolve Trump and the GOP for conspiring with a foreign enemy to defeat an American candidate through subterfuge, espionage, and propaganda.

But Bernie didn't do anything worse than make one bad call in a race full of bad calls.

(The dumbasses who kept slamming Hillary in the general election with Putin-approved arguments, and bigging up Putin-backed Jill Stein, while exhorting Democrats to either vote third party or abstain? No such excuses. Either malicious or deeply, impossibly gullible.)
 
2018-02-17 01:44:35 PM  

Print'sNotDead: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?


Fark received an estimated 10.6M visitors last month vs. Reddit which had 1.7B.
 
2018-02-17 01:45:49 PM  
What's he supposed to say? "Sorry, I won't run again. Might I remind you I did tell you to vote for Clinton?"?

Sanders pulled the party further left, which was a good thing, but it was good odds Clinton was always going to be the nominee (and an immensely qualified one, despite my annoyance with political families).  Supporting Sanders added division to Dems, and the party is particularly sensitive to that, and it de-motivates our folks when their guy/gal isn't the nominee. That was the goal.

I don't think Sanders was aware Russian spam-bots were trying to rig the election, and I sincerely doubt his staff colluded with foreign operatives to beat Clinton. Can't say the same about the guy who won, though.
 
2018-02-17 01:47:53 PM  

max_pooper: Print'sNotDead: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?

I don't think there were any Russians here, just Bernie Bros who fell victim to their misinformation campiagn.


Yes there were. Still see some odd accounts every now and then.
 
2018-02-17 01:47:54 PM  
It seems pretty clear from this that the Russian ops weren't specifically out to help GOP. Their prime objective was to damage Hillary. They probably had no idea how well it would work.

Also: So Democrats can be manipulated by the Ministry of Truth but not as much as Republicans can.
But at the end of the day the Russians saw Hillary as their enemy. Anyone else in the race was an ally.
 
2018-02-17 01:47:59 PM  

ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.


Well said.
 
2018-02-17 01:48:15 PM  

Print'sNotDead: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?


They like platforms where it's easy to see all of your posts in one spot.

They were all up in Disqus.
 
2018-02-17 01:48:22 PM  

STDMan69: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Jill Stein is the real story here.

Now this is quite possibly something.


You know, I never really thought of it that way. I think you may be on to something.
 
2018-02-17 01:48:26 PM  

STDMan69: Farkin_Crazy: STDMan69: What is your point? Everyone knows that Russia wanted to put Trump as President, and they thought they would have a better chance supporting Bernie in the Democratic primaries. Get back to me when Bernie colluded, til then go f*ck your self, with this bsab.

Who said Bernie colluded? The point is, and you can't see it for you rage of all things Clinton, he very much benefited.

Where the fark do I have rage of things Clinton? Get your head out of your ass with your preconceived biases. I'm saying it is dangerous talk to try and put this in the same category as what Trump did. Bernie did nothing with the Russians. Trump did. Do you not see a farking difference?


Oh, sod off.

You bring up this horseshiat that somebody is accusing Sanders of colluding (hint: nobody is) and refuse to acknowledge that indeed, he did benefit, unknowingly, from what happened.

I also see you haven't changed your methods when talking about the primaries. You were insufferable in virtually every thread that summer, and still are.
 
2018-02-17 01:48:31 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

A lot of people (myself included) will never forgive Sanders for staying in the race for 6 weeks after he had been mathematically eliminated. I have other problems with his canidacy, but that was all kinds of wrong.


I can't stand "progressives" to this day because of that. "We want our voices heard" translated to weeks if not months of attacking Clinton in harmony with Trump, who had secured the nom and was pursuing his win in the general. I think that tends to get overlooked and underestimated when it comes to what helped Trump win.
Truly I want to know what alts on here were Russian plants, if any, I suppose, but I have to think they were here and we probably all interacted with them.
 
2018-02-17 01:49:34 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: What's he supposed to say?


Exactly. He didn't do shiat.
 
2018-02-17 01:49:41 PM  
When Bernie Sanders denies that Russians intervened in the election in spite of all contrary evidence w/o providing any arguments to support that assessment. Or when he calls for lifting sanctions against Russia for invading Ukraine (and promotes other pro-Russia policies) without requesting that they in turn comply with international rules and cease their occupation, then I may start getting a little suspicious. Until then, fark this equivalency, fark Trump and specially fark the dumbass worthless deplorable Trumpers.
 
2018-02-17 01:49:41 PM  

Print'sNotDead: There are Reddit subs dedicated to all the posts/comments (In the thousands) they have identified as being from Fake Russian accounts. Is Fark looking into how many Russian sponsored users they had/have and what damage they did/impact they had here?


Russian TotalFark pays just as much as any other TotalFark. Where did you think the extra money came from after the Google ad screwjob ?
 
2018-02-17 01:49:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You Bet Your Ass: Good God, no one is accusing Bernie of colluding.  I just find it funny, especially on this site, that the whole election people claimed there was a pro Bernie subset that was Russian.  And people offended and acted like it was crazy talk.

I voted for the man.  But some stuff you saw on the internet you knew was Russian bots/trolls.

There is still a cadre of Berniebots who show up and heap venom on Hillary, all the time insisting they have nothing against her personally, just that she was the wrong candidate.

Either it's pathological...or its paid for.


I'm curious is if there were people paid to antagonize Bernie supporters towards the end in more liberal parts of the internet. Piss potential voters into not showing up.
 
2018-02-17 01:50:06 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Print'sNotDead: ValisIV: Bernie went out and gave a full-throated "Vote for Hillary", worked for her, and 90% of his primary supporters responded.  More than the 80% of Hillary supporters did for Obama in 08. Bernie and his people aren't the problem, and I was a Hillary primary supporter.  Now, trolls pretending to support Bernie just to trash Clinton?  Yes, they're a problem, there were a lot of RW bad-faith "supporters" trying to cause Dem infighting for exactly this purpose. It's still going on today, doesn't mean Bernie or the vast majority of his supporters had anything to do with it or supported it.  Unlike, say, Trump.

I'm really curious how many of those fake Russian Bernie and/or Jill Stein supporters there were here. Is Fark doing anything or just assuming they're too small for the Russians to have bothered with?

Fark received an estimated 10.6M visitors last month vs. Reddit which had 1.7B.


How does that break down when it comes to political threads, I wonder?
 
2018-02-17 01:50:12 PM  

palelizard: What's he supposed to say? "Sorry, I won't run again. Might I remind you I did tell you to vote for Clinton?"?

Sanders pulled the party further left, which was a good thing, but it was good odds Clinton was always going to be the nominee (and an immensely qualified one, despite my annoyance with political families).  Supporting Sanders added division to Dems, and the party is particularly sensitive to that, and it de-motivates our folks when their guy/gal isn't the nominee. That was the goal.

I don't think Sanders was aware Russian spam-bots were trying to rig the election, and I sincerely doubt his staff colluded with foreign operatives to beat Clinton. Can't say the same about the guy who won, though.


Okay, so he and his staff didn't actively collude with them. He didn't do a hell of a whole lot to rebut the kind of rhetoric they were throwing out on his behalf.

Meanwhile, he gets to be the Senator from the state of Vermont, while I get to be a person of color deep in the middle of red-state America. A guy with relatives who are DACA recipients who are hanging by a thread. A guy who saw neo-Nazis flying swastika/Confederate flags up and down one of the roads near his house the first week he moved in.

I get to live in that reality. Bernie Sanders doesn't.
 
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