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2018-02-14 01:03:41 PM  
And murder laws discriminate against psychopaths, and theft laws discriminate against kleptomaniacs, and laws of any kind discriminate against anarchists. Also, as a staunch nudist, I oppose on anti-discriminatory grounds any law that requires me to wear pants in public.
 
2018-02-14 02:46:43 PM  
You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.
 
2018-02-14 02:58:17 PM  

hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge.


The dude that hit me with his car had never been charged with DUI, but I still broke my head on the curb.
 
2018-02-14 03:54:36 PM  

what_now: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge.

The dude that hit me with his car had never been charged with DUI, but I still broke my head on the curb.


You get a do-over. If you hit the curb again, it will go worse for you.
 
2018-02-14 03:55:05 PM  
Perhaps he should seek advice from a competent lawyer...

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2018-02-14 03:56:27 PM  

Pocket Ninja: And murder laws discriminate against psychopaths, and theft laws discriminate against kleptomaniacs, and laws of any kind discriminate against anarchists. Also, as a staunch nudist, I oppose on anti-discriminatory grounds any law that requires me to wear pants in public.


This kind of binary extremism is what's ruining our country. Why do you hate America, P-Ninny?
 
2018-02-14 03:57:30 PM  
He still makes more sense than most people on the politics tab.
 
2018-02-14 03:57:35 PM  
You know, I actually see the point of this. Alcoholism is a real mental illness, and sufferers of mental illness are protected under the ADA.
The ADA, as you all know, requires commercial property to have bathrooms that can fit a wheelchair. It also gives the mentally ill carte blanche to do as they please, including bringing emotional support iguanas onto airplanes.
So I think it's a good question. If regular people can drive cars, why can't alcoholics?
 
2018-02-14 03:59:05 PM  

what_now: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge.

The dude that hit me with his car had never been charged with DUI, but I still broke my head on the curb.


You'll get over it


//old fark meme
// get off my lawn
 
2018-02-14 04:00:32 PM  
I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.
 
2018-02-14 04:02:47 PM  
I'm looking hard for the video of the drunk driving documentary from Documentary Now! or even a screenshot but am coming up empty.  Just remember this important advice, though:

Sometimes closing one eye can help you see better, so squint and drive drunk with gusto!
 
2018-02-14 04:03:34 PM  

drewogatory: I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.


Lots of talk of lowering the number, you know, for $afety.
 
2018-02-14 04:03:51 PM  
He should file suit under the Americans with Disabilities Act, since alcoholism is a disease.

/kidding!
 
2018-02-14 04:04:20 PM  

Craw Fu: I'm looking hard for the video of the drunk driving documentary from Documentary Now! or even a screenshot but am coming up empty.  Just remember this important advice, though:

Sometimes closing one eye can help you see better, so squint and drive drunk with gusto!


Closing one eye only helps if you're seeing double. Just look further ahead and minimize your steering inputs.
 
2018-02-14 04:05:37 PM  
It really is though.  I can easily operate a vehicle after about 10 beers in a night.  I don't know why I can't get sticker on my licence or something.  There should be a test you can pass to get it.  I call my local legislators and see if I can't get this thing off the ground. Wish me luck Farkers.
 
2018-02-14 04:07:08 PM  
Pro tip: Only buy cars with hood ornaments, great target sight, just aim for the middle of the lane and proceed with caution.

/safety off
 
2018-02-14 04:10:14 PM  
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2018-02-14 04:14:03 PM  

hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.


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2018-02-14 04:17:38 PM  
Wait, he was arrested after he crashed his car while drunk. So isn't he proving that he can't drink and drive, so his argument that some alcoholics can drink and drive wouldn't apply to him?
 
2018-02-14 04:18:18 PM  

Pocket Ninja: And murder laws discriminate against psychopaths, and theft laws discriminate against kleptomaniacs, and laws of any kind discriminate against anarchists. Also, as a staunch nudist, I oppose on anti-discriminatory grounds any law that requires me to wear pants in public.


You can wear a skirt, dress, shorts, or a kilt if you wish.
 
2018-02-14 04:28:26 PM  
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2018-02-14 04:29:44 PM  

Subtonic: It really is though.  I can easily operate a vehicle after about 10 beers in a night.  I don't know why I can't get sticker on my licence or something.  There should be a test you can pass to get it.  I call my local legislators and see if I can't get this thing off the ground. Wish me luck Farkers.


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2018-02-14 04:32:07 PM  
I have to say UBER and Lyft have done more to lower DUIs than anything else in recent years.  Which of course means a lower DUI limit because lost revenue errrr I mean Safety.
 
2018-02-14 04:50:27 PM  

what_now: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge.

The dude that hit me with his car had never been charged with DUI, but I still broke my head on the curb.


Nj 1st time you lose it for 6 mos and pay 3000 in fines
2nd time 2 years and 6000 in fines, mandatory 6 days in jail (can be done on weekends)
3rd time 10 years and 15000 in fines, 90 days in jail
4th and up repeat 3rd
Felony DUI: 5-10 years in the pokey, 50k in fines, lose lic for life
 
2018-02-14 04:51:09 PM  

bighairyguy: drewogatory: I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.

Lots of talk of lowering the number, you know, for $afety.


You have to go to some of those S----hole countries you've never heard of to find a higher limit than .08.
Norway is .02.     Ignore the countries where alcohol is banned out right and we have a allowable BAC greater than most of the world.
 
2018-02-14 05:01:07 PM  

hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


Your first DUI should be mandatory permanent loss of your license.

 Your second should be mandatory 1000 hours of unpaid community service caring for people who have been permanently disabled by drunk drivers.

3rd offense, you get deported to a random country with a GDP of $100 or less.

 DUI is a choice every single time. Anyone who does it is an asshole who should suffer for it.
 
2018-02-14 05:03:55 PM  
Maybe a nice 20 year jail sentence will sober him up
 
2018-02-14 05:14:29 PM  

hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.



I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty
 
2018-02-14 05:15:07 PM  

hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


How is this really any different than most of the current laws in most states?

Making DUI 'more illegal' and making the punishments harsher really does nothing to address the real problem on the roads, (hardcore) alcoholics that will find a way to drive.  All the super stiff penalties do is royally screw over the person who made a mistake and drove in the grey area and got caught.

I don't have the answer but what we are doing now has shown absolutely no real progress in reducing DUI, and not the arbitrary .08, the one where you are identified because of your inability to properly control your vehicle one.
 
2018-02-14 05:22:48 PM  

mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty


We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.
 
2018-02-14 05:26:22 PM  
I'm an alcoholic and even at my worst what I did was call a cab, have a friend pick me up or just not go somewhere. After going through withdrawal one of the weirdest things was now I could go places at night, I didn't realize how much I used "I can't drive" as an excuse to get out of things I didn't want to do.
 
2018-02-14 05:33:22 PM  
Meanwhile the person who killed my uncle wasn't drunk and got off with a simple fine.  Same with the person who killed my buddy's dad growing up.   That latter one hit me harder.  I answered the door for the cop.  They had us neighbors break the news to the family.  You do something illegal that kills someone else with a car, 20 years.  I don't care if it's being drunk or texting or tired.
 
2018-02-14 05:40:45 PM  

IRQ12: The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.


A close family member of mine was killed by a drunk driver, so I have little sympathy.

The problem with America is our laws aren't applied equally, in a fair and unbiased manner. It's one of the huge problems with the death penalty: there is too much gambling going on with who gets charged, who gets convicted, who gets sentenced, etc. If you make it a mandatory 3rd strike punishment, the penalty is just for all. There is no rich man or poor man who escapes it. There is no black vs. white. It's a 3rd DUI conviction, 9mm to the back of the head solution that does not pick and choose who it applies to.
 
2018-02-14 05:44:13 PM  

IRQ12: mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty

We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.


When I was in driving school, someone claimed that Australia executes people for DUI.  Now this was probably bullshiat in the first place, but I suggested that that maybe was idiotic and the whole class basically booed.  So the kind of CSB of this is that there are actually people who think like GP and they were apparently in my high school.
 
2018-02-14 05:47:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: IRQ12: The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.

A close family member of mine was killed by a drunk driver, so I have little sympathy.

The problem with America is our laws aren't applied equally, in a fair and unbiased manner. It's one of the huge problems with the death penalty: there is too much gambling going on with who gets charged, who gets convicted, who gets sentenced, etc. If you make it a mandatory 3rd strike punishment, the penalty is just for all. There is no rich man or poor man who escapes it. There is no black vs. white. It's a 3rd DUI conviction, 9mm to the back of the head solution that does not pick and choose who it applies to.


A close friend of mine was killed by a tired driver, so I have little sympathy.  Now let's have the Cops put out a checkpoint at 5am and bust every motherfarker on the way to work.
 
2018-02-14 06:09:07 PM  

mrmopar5287: IRQ12: The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.

A close family member of mine was killed by a drunk driver, so I have little sympathy.

The problem with America is our laws aren't applied equally, in a fair and unbiased manner. It's one of the huge problems with the death penalty: there is too much gambling going on with who gets charged, who gets convicted, who gets sentenced, etc. If you make it a mandatory 3rd strike punishment, the penalty is just for all. There is no rich man or poor man who escapes it. There is no black vs. white. It's a 3rd DUI conviction, 9mm to the back of the head solution that does not pick and choose who it applies to.


Yes, people have lost close family members in all sorts of tragedies.  If our laws were based purely on emotions and not analysis and objective data...wait well they would be close to what we have now.

Your "make the punishments much worse" as a resolution to the problem is tried and true complete and utter ineffective nonsense that has been our way forever now.  Maybe it's time we try a different way of thinking that doesn't require the death penalty for what could be a victimless crime.  I have seriously never heard someone complain that our systems only problem is that it's not applied equally, but it's not harsh enough.  a few dozen thousand people serving life in prison for non-violent drug crimes?  Ok as long as it's being applied equally.

DUI is not some one off personal problem for a few, it is a national epidemic and the arrest numbers alone show that a large portion of our population is DUI at any given time.
 
2018-02-14 06:14:38 PM  

Old Smokie: IRQ12: mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty

We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.

When I was in driving school, someone claimed that Australia executes people for DUI.  Now this was probably bullshiat in the first place, but I suggested that that maybe was idiotic and the whole class basically booed.  So the kind of CSB of this is that there are actually people who think like GP and they were apparently in my high school.


Well Texas went for the death penalty for a DUI involving some guy who ran down a bunch of people, I don't think he got it but on those grounds I guess you could say we have it here to one degree or another.
 
2018-02-14 06:17:16 PM  
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2018-02-14 06:22:38 PM  

IRQ12: Old Smokie: IRQ12: mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty

We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.

When I was in driving school, someone claimed that Australia executes people for DUI.  Now this was probably bullshiat in the first place, but I suggested that that maybe was idiotic and the whole class basically booed.  So the kind of CSB of this is that there are actually people who think like GP and they were apparently in my high school.

Well Texas went for the death penalty for a DUI involving some guy who ran down a bunch of people, I don't think he got it but on those grounds I guess you could say we have it here to one degree or another.


Ran down a bunch of people on accident?
 
2018-02-14 06:35:54 PM  

Old Smokie: IRQ12: Old Smokie: IRQ12: mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty

We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.

When I was in driving school, someone claimed that Australia executes people for DUI.  Now this was probably bullshiat in the first place, but I suggested that that maybe was idiotic and the whole class basically booed.  So the kind of CSB of this is that there are actually people who think like GP and they were apparently in my high school.

Well Texas went for the death penalty for a DUI involving some guy who ran down a bunch of people, I don't think he got it but on those grounds I guess you could say we have it here to one degree or another.

Ran down a bunch of people on accident?


Can't find the article right now but basically texas has gone towards murder charges for DUI resulting in death (especially stemming from repeat offenders who wind up killing someone), basically stating there is no "accident" regardless of the persons intent at the time because of the previous offenses.

Can't remember in the case I mentioned if he was a repeat offender, I think that one hinged on the fact the police tried to stop him so the argued that meant he was intent to kill or something like that.
 
2018-02-14 06:37:01 PM  

Pocket Ninja: And murder laws discriminate against psychopaths, and theft laws discriminate against kleptomaniacs, and laws of any kind discriminate against anarchists. Also, as a staunch nudist, I oppose on anti-discriminatory grounds any law that requires me to wear pants in public.


I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter as you appear to have given considerable thought to the great issues of our age.
 
2018-02-14 07:25:40 PM  

IRQ12: Old Smokie: IRQ12: Old Smokie: IRQ12: mrmopar5287: hugram: You should get some sort of mulligan when it comes to your first DUI charge. You pay the fine, and maybe do some prison time.

You get a second one, then you lose your driving license for one year, which some heavy fines and some mandatory prison time.

You get a third one after that, then you lose your driving license for life, since it is pretty clear you don't get a shiat about your safety and the safety of others.


I've said:
1st offense - mandatory 30 days in jail
2nd offense - mandatory 6 months in jail
3rd offense - mandatory death penalty

We should cut off the hands of thieves as well.  The problem in america is the lax laws and kid gloves we deal with criminals.  We need to ramp up the death penalty and get our prison population up to a cool 10% of out total polulation and we should be virtually crime free.

When I was in driving school, someone claimed that Australia executes people for DUI.  Now this was probably bullshiat in the first place, but I suggested that that maybe was idiotic and the whole class basically booed.  So the kind of CSB of this is that there are actually people who think like GP and they were apparently in my high school.

Well Texas went for the death penalty for a DUI involving some guy who ran down a bunch of people, I don't think he got it but on those grounds I guess you could say we have it here to one degree or another.

Ran down a bunch of people on accident?

Can't find the article right now but basically texas has gone towards murder charges for DUI resulting in death (especially stemming from repeat offenders who wind up killing someone), basically stating there is no "accident" regardless of the persons intent at the time because of the previous offenses.

Can't remember in the case I mentioned if he was a repeat offender, I think that one hinged on the fact the police tried to stop him so the argued that meant he was intent to kill or something like that.


Texas rules
 
2018-02-14 07:34:15 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: You have to go to some of those S----hole countries you've never heard of to find a higher limit than .08.
Norway is .02.     Ignore the countries where alcohol is banned out right and we have a allowable BAC greater than most of the world.


The .02 is so they don't bust people with normal levels of alcohol from food or fruit and it is effectively a zero booze limit.
 
2018-02-14 07:53:22 PM  

drewogatory: I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.


you'd be surprised about how much alcohol it takes to get you to a .08.
 
2018-02-14 08:06:16 PM  
4th DUI? In my kingdom, he's living on a remote island with his own type.
 
2018-02-14 08:09:35 PM  

Pocket Ninja: And murder laws discriminate against psychopaths, and theft laws discriminate against kleptomaniacs, and laws of any kind discriminate against anarchists. Also, as a staunch nudist, I oppose on anti-discriminatory grounds any law that requires me to wear pants in public.


 Pics and we'll see if you have a case.
 
2018-02-14 08:15:43 PM  
 As a recovering alcoholic who,  I'm ashamed to say,  drove drunk for years and never got a dui/ovi, let me say that i think there should be extremely stiff penalties for the 1st dui. Sometimes that is the thing that gets active alcoholics to the place needed to voluntarily seek help.
 
2018-02-14 08:18:48 PM  

Hack Patooey: He should file suit under the Americans with Disabilities Act, since alcoholism is a disease.

/kidding!


Somebody will do that eventually.  Probably sooner than later.
 
2018-02-14 08:24:09 PM  

sprgrss: drewogatory: I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.

you'd be surprised about how much little alcohol it takes to get you to a .08.


There we go.
 
2018-02-14 08:36:20 PM  

sprgrss: drewogatory: I certainly had regulars who could sit at the bar 10 hours a day and drive just fine. Still shouldn't be a thing,although I think .08 is a joke. Make it .1 again, or better yet .12.

you'd be surprised about how much alcohol it takes to get you to a .08.


hahahahahahahaha. Listen to Carrie Nation over here.
 
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