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2018-02-13 09:06:58 PM  
I'm sure the Cannabevetses will be along any minute to tell us why this is wrong and that pot smokers are all murderous psychopaths.
 
2018-02-13 09:51:22 PM  
Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.
 
2018-02-13 09:54:45 PM  

fusillade762: I'm sure the Cannabevetses will be along any minute to tell us why this is wrong and that pot smokers are all murderous psychopaths.


We don't need him. You have covered it.
 
2018-02-13 09:57:07 PM  
Rock and roll is what melts minds, I thought.
 
2018-02-13 09:57:45 PM  
I thought one of THCs miraculous magical properties was that it reduced the harm that consuming alcohol causes? Wouldn't all of you power drinkers like to black out with impunity?
 
2018-02-13 10:02:03 PM  

fusillade762: I'm sure the Cannabevetses will be along any minute to tell us why this is wrong and that pot smokers are all murderous psychopaths.


He might be inconsolable.

This study shoots down a lot of other ones that purported to show brain damage, particularly the ones that claimed adolescent brains were irretrievably changed by weed use.  Of course, anyone who understands the scientific method knew those studies were bogus, but it gave a lot of ammunition to the Cannabevets of the world
 
2018-02-13 10:02:13 PM  
I can see this thread being civilized and intelligent.

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2018-02-13 10:02:28 PM  

Sgygus: Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.


I can no longer do maths.
 
2018-02-13 10:04:06 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Sgygus: Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.

I can no longer do maths.


Too much alcohol, huh?
 
2018-02-13 10:04:48 PM  
The study included the brain images of 853 adults who were aged between 18 and 55 years and 439 teenagers between the ages of 14 and 18. All participants varied in their use of alcohol and marijuana.
The researchers found that alcohol use - particularly in adults who had been drinking for many years - was associated with a reduction in gray matter volume, as well as a reduction in the integrity of white matter.
Marijuana use, however, appeared to have no impact on the structure of gray or white matter in either teenagers or adults.


So, logically, it is alcohol that should be banned until full brain development at what, age 25? While marijuana should be ok down to 14 year olds.  I think the prohibition repeal amendment at least allows the states to do the first part.
 
2018-02-13 10:04:56 PM  
Maybe at the rate you smoke it
 
2018-02-13 10:05:14 PM  

snocone: fusillade762: I'm sure the Cannabevetses will be along any minute to tell us why this is wrong and that pot smokers are all murderous psychopaths.

We don't need him. You have covered it.


I'm going to SMOKE a blunt thru a snocone in your honor sir
 
2018-02-13 10:05:39 PM  
That is the dpoisn.comest thing I've read all day.
 
2018-02-13 10:09:56 PM  
The Buffalo Theory says otherwise.

"A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."


/Cliff Clavin never said this on 'Cheers'.
 
2018-02-13 10:20:58 PM  

Whatthefark: The Buffalo Theory says otherwise.

"A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

/Cliff Clavin never said this on 'Cheers'.


Finding out Cliff didn't say it is making me reevaluate my life choices, like this drink should've been a triple and not a double.
 
2018-02-13 10:21:19 PM  
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So if you're drinking alcohol because you're depressed, double whammy.
 
2018-02-13 10:23:06 PM  

fusillade762: I'm sure the Cannabevetses will be along any minute to tell us why this is wrong and that pot smokers are all murderous psychopaths.


I wish I had known that before I took a marijuana cigarette.
 
2018-02-13 10:25:14 PM  
If you're sitting at home drinking a few or smoking up, doing your own thing who cares? It's when we go out into public that shiat goes pear-shaped.

I don't get the whole weed versus alcohol thing.
 
2018-02-13 10:25:33 PM  

lordargent: [img.fark.net image 492x550]

So if you're drinking alcohol because you're depressed, double whammy.


A psychologist said he never met a depressed person who didn't drink.
 
2018-02-13 10:32:29 PM  
Alright, chuckleheads... Smoking ANYTHING is damaging to your lungs, whatever the effect on the brain is. Edibles? Oils? Those are fine. But there is no way to inhale smoke that is "safe" for the human body... So the potheads can just stop gloating and acting like weed is completely harmless. It's harmless (as far as we know) as long as you don't partake of by doing something stupid like setting it on fire and breathing in the fumes, and since that's how most of the burnouts partake of it, they lose all high ground for it being "safer" than alcohol.

That said, there's no way to drink enough alcohol to get drunk without also damaging yourself, and with regular use, permanent damage is inevitable.

So as someone who doesn't get high, and who doesn't get drunk, let me tell both sides of this "which is safer for you?" debate that you're both damaging your bodies for the sake of a momentary thrill, and arguing about which is "safer" is idiotic. Whether or not you damage yourself is your business, and I couldn't care less if you're willing to destroy your lungs, liver, or brain for the sake of a high, but please stop pretending that either of those vices is superior to the other.
 
2018-02-13 10:34:13 PM  
Isn't d9-THC a neural protectant, which is why it has such an impact on things like MS?
 
2018-02-13 10:37:18 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: If you're sitting at home drinking a few or smoking up, doing your own thing who cares? It's when we go out into public that shiat goes pear-shaped.

I don't get the whole weed versus alcohol thing.


It's just a fairness thing.  You can go down to the corner liquor store and buy enough alcohol to kill a dozen fraternity pledges and it's perfectly legal.

Then check out these guys: http://www.marijuanaliferproject.org/​
 
2018-02-13 10:38:01 PM  
I drink because I have to deal with all of you.
 
2018-02-13 10:40:22 PM  
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2018-02-13 10:41:51 PM  

Sgygus: Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.


I can't brain good no more
 
2018-02-13 10:43:38 PM  
 
2018-02-13 10:44:00 PM  
I drink too much I feel like shiat the next day. My brain feels slow and dumb. It often hurts from dehydration.

I can vape myself silly and wake up the next day feeling just fine. This isn't rocket science.
 
2018-02-13 10:50:29 PM  
cops find beer in your fridge; they simply ask you not drive anywhere

cops find prescribed opioids in your fridge, they simply ask you not to drive anywhere

cops find weed in your fridge; they seize your house, car, kids, the fridge, the vicoden and the beer.

truly america's unspoken monster
 
2018-02-13 10:51:00 PM  
"When you look at these studies going back years," he explains, "you see that one study will report that marijuana use is related to a reduction in the volume of the hippocampus. The next study then comes around, and they say that marijuana use is related to changes in the cerebellum
"The point is that there's no consistency across all of these studies in terms of the actual brain structures."


So they don't really know.
But the fark pot brigade will take this and run with it since the headline is positive about weed.

See how that works, weed-noggins? Just like when you jump on the "more research needed" line as proof that negative articles are false, it can go the other way too.

Now tell me how I'm wrong.
 
2018-02-13 11:02:32 PM  

abhorrent1: Now tell me how I'm wrong.


Your gums are flapping?
 
2018-02-13 11:02:44 PM  

Sgygus: Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.


I wiould but I had a half a liter of vodak for dinner.

/not really
 
2018-02-13 11:04:31 PM  

knobmaker: Chinesenookiefactory: If you're sitting at home drinking a few or smoking up, doing your own thing who cares? It's when we go out into public that shiat goes pear-shaped.

I don't get the whole weed versus alcohol thing.

It's just a fairness thing.  You can go down to the corner liquor store and buy enough alcohol to kill a dozen fraternity pledges and it's perfectly legal.

Then check out these guys: http://www.marijuanaliferproject.org/


I'm for 100% legalization. Legalize it and tax it like they do liquor. It's less harmful to the average user. I have seen people smoke themselves stupid, but those same people would (IMO) be prone to addiction of some sort no matter what.
 
2018-02-13 11:07:18 PM  

Sgygus: Alcohol is a poison.  Cannabinoids are not.  Do the math.


Yea, who the fark was this news to?
 
2018-02-13 11:13:56 PM  

abhorrent1: Now tell me how I'm wrong.


Well, that's like shooting fish in a gun barrel, but okay.

This study looked at the brain scans of over a thousand subjects.  They found clear evidence of brain damage in alcohol users, and no such evidence in cannabis users.  This study is a lot better in terms of protocol than the previous studies that purported to find such brain changes.

You should probably have read a bit further.

"The researchers found that alcohol use - particularly in adults who had been drinking for many years - was associated with a reduction in gray matter volume, as well as a reduction in the integrity of white matter.

Marijuana use, however, appeared to have no impact on the structure of gray or white matter in either teenagers or adults.

Based on these findings, the researchers believe that drinking alcohol is likely to be much more harmful to brain health than using marijuana."
 
2018-02-13 11:22:55 PM  

Chinesenookiefactory: If you're sitting at home drinking a few or smoking up, doing your own thing who cares? It's when we go out into public that shiat goes pear-shaped.

I don't get the whole weed versus alcohol thing.


If you never got it, then I guess you never got; beer or wine, cat or dog, Ferrari or Corvette, square toe or pointed toe, wig or hair dye. Etc.

Someone decided a while ago marijuana was code for "filthy Mexican drug", because before marijuana it was hashish, giggleweed. And the racebaiting asshole who was a prohibitionist saw the tides turbibg and went from booze to pot.
 
2018-02-13 11:23:35 PM  
I don't do either one for my health, but can say my alcohol consumption has dropped dramatically since 1/1/18. And today's weed is so much stronger than when I was a regular smoker (and, let's be honest, my tolerance is practically nil these days), I rarely take more than three hits in a day. So, it's probably a net positive in my case.
 
2018-02-13 11:24:25 PM  

knobmaker: abhorrent1: Now tell me how I'm wrong.

Well, that's like shooting fish in a gun barrel, but okay.

This study looked at the brain scans of over a thousand subjects.  They found clear evidence of brain damage in alcohol users, and no such evidence in cannabis users.  This study is a lot better in terms of protocol than the previous studies that purported to find such brain changes.

You should probably have read a bit further.

"The researchers found that alcohol use - particularly in adults who had been drinking for many years - was associated with a reduction in gray matter volume, as well as a reduction in the integrity of white matter.

Marijuana use, however, appeared to have no impact on the structure of gray or white matter in either teenagers or adults.

Based on these findings, the researchers believe that drinking alcohol is likely to be much more harmful to brain health than using marijuana."


Oh a thousand people? Well that settles it.

I learned in the 'smoking pot while pregnant' thread that the doctor "believed" that it was bad based on limited research. But of course it said more research was needed to confirm and the pot-faces jumped all over that as proof that a doctor was wrong. It's just a stupid doctors opinion. What do they know.
 
2018-02-13 11:35:41 PM  
TFA headline: "A is more damaging than B"
Fark headline: "A is damaging, B is not"

Technically, not exactly the same.
 
2018-02-13 11:39:40 PM  

pup.socket: TFA headline: "A is more damaging than B"
Fark headline: "A is damaging, B is not"

Technically, not exactly the same.


TFA itself (see quotes above):  "A found to be damaging.  B was not found to be."
 
2018-02-13 11:45:44 PM  

WilderKWight: Alright, chuckleheads... Smoking ANYTHING is damaging to your lungs, whatever the effect on the brain is. Edibles? Oils? Those are fine. But there is no way to inhale smoke that is "safe" for the human body... So the potheads can just stop gloating and acting like weed is completely harmless. It's harmless (as far as we know) as long as you don't partake of by doing something stupid like setting it on fire and breathing in the fumes, and since that's how most of the burnouts partake of it, they lose all high ground for it being "safer" than alcohol.

That said, there's no way to drink enough alcohol to get drunk without also damaging yourself, and with regular use, permanent damage is inevitable.

So as someone who doesn't get high, and who doesn't get drunk, let me tell both sides of this "which is safer for you?" debate that you're both damaging your bodies for the sake of a momentary thrill, and arguing about which is "safer" is idiotic. Whether or not you damage yourself is your business, and I couldn't care less if you're willing to destroy your lungs, liver, or brain for the sake of a high, but please stop pretending that either of those vices is superior to the other.


I wanna get this off my mind. I have been smoking hash oil, through a bong, with a blowtorch and a titanium nail. I have done so multiple times per day for four years. I was smoking cigarettes, and for a good couple months I decided to binge-drink. That went fine. So I'm trying to establish that I have gotten to experience the big three drugs: alcohol, cannabis, tobacco. Most commonly used drugs in the world. I self-medicate because health care is too expensive in Missouri. Of all three cannabis is the best. Not just of the big three: cannabis is the best drug out of all of them. I've gotten hold of LSD, DMT, MDMA, psilocybin, opioids, salvia, DXM, cocaine, Benadryl and Dramamine. Cannabis is better than all of them. Nicotine is weaker and give you headaches that it gives you (like religions). All the others listed either make you feel worse, kill you, or are too strong, leaving you house bound. Hash through a bong will keep you from driving for about 15 minutes, but after that your reaction time goes back to normal. Alcohol destroys your reaction time and makes you say stupid, emotional things. Salvia is CRAZY. LSD is okay, but weird. Either way, are you conflating the smoke from a jazz cigarette and the vaporized hash smoke through a bong? If you are, don't. The vapor cloud is a mild, pleasant odor and doesn't linger. Joints and blunts are bad, I agree, but they aren't the only way.
 
2018-02-13 11:49:34 PM  

pup.socket: TFA headline: "A is more damaging than B"
Fark headline: "A is damaging, B is not"

Technically, not exactly the same.


"Marijuana use, however, appeared to have no impact on the structure of gray or white matter in either teenagers or adults."

Sounds pretty definitive to me.

Also, your "paraphrase" of the headline was dishonest.  The study was about deterioration of brain tissue.  It did not cover any other potential damage.
 
2018-02-13 11:55:33 PM  

WilderKWight: Alright, chuckleheads... Smoking ANYTHING is damaging to your lungs, whatever the effect on the brain is. Edibles? Oils? Those are fine. But there is no way to inhale smoke that is "safe" for the human body... So the potheads can just stop gloating and acting like weed is completely harmless. It's harmless (as far as we know) as long as you don't partake of by doing something stupid like setting it on fire and breathing in the fumes, and since that's how most of the burnouts partake of it, they lose all high ground for it being "safer" than alcohol.

That said, there's no way to drink enough alcohol to get drunk without also damaging yourself, and with regular use, permanent damage is inevitable.

So as someone who doesn't get high, and who doesn't get drunk, let me tell both sides of this "which is safer for you?" debate that you're both damaging your bodies for the sake of a momentary thrill, and arguing about which is "safer" is idiotic. Whether or not you damage yourself is your business, and I couldn't care less if you're willing to destroy your lungs, liver, or brain for the sake of a high, but please stop pretending that either of those vices is superior to the other.


sola dosis facit venenum

I toke an order of magnitude less smoke than I would from cigarettes.
 
2018-02-13 11:59:43 PM  

abhorrent1: Oh a thousand people? Well that settles it.


I'm not sure you want to go that way.  The study that purported to find brain changes in teenage weed users was much much smaller. N values are significant, when evaluating the significance and validity of a given piece of research.  Studies with relatively few data points are much easier to manipulate into a desired result.

For some reason, the politically driven studies that claim all sorts of dangers with cannabis use are uniformly tiny, compared to the studies that find few negative effects.  You might want to think about why that might be.

Ah, who am I kidding?  Why would you want to do that?
 
2018-02-14 12:00:54 AM  

knobmaker: Also, your "paraphrase" of the headline was dishonest.


Too be fair, the headline itself is a vague paraphrase.  "Rots your brain" could mean just about anything.  Perhaps that's what pup was referring to.  There's still plenty of studies showing long term memory impairment from marijuana use.
 
2018-02-14 12:05:36 AM  

knobmaker: abhorrent1: Oh a thousand people? Well that settles it.

I'm not sure you want to go that way.  The study that purported to find brain changes in teenage weed users was much much smaller. N values are significant, when evaluating the significance and validity of a given piece of research.  Studies with relatively few data points are much easier to manipulate into a desired result.

For some reason, the politically driven studies that claim all sorts of dangers with cannabis use are uniformly tiny, compared to the studies that find few negative effects.  You might want to think about why that might be.

Ah, who am I kidding?  Why would you want to do that?


So small studies are fine as long as you agree with their opinion? Got it.
 
2018-02-14 12:08:55 AM  
How much lung cancer can I get from alcohol?
 
2018-02-14 12:24:13 AM  

abhorrent1: So small studies are fine as long as you agree with their opinion? Got it.


Wow, that's an Olympic-level point missing.  This was a large study.  The famous study that purported to show brain damage in adolescents had 25 potheads and 18 controls.

Bless your heart.
 
2018-02-14 12:25:14 AM  

SwiftFox: TFA itself (see quotes above):  "A found to be damaging.  B was not found to be."


Someone must have swapped the link then. This is what I see:

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2018-02-14 12:27:01 AM  

knobmaker: abhorrent1: So small studies are fine as long as you agree with their opinion? Got it.

Wow, that's an Olympic-level point missing.  This was a large study.  The famous study that purported to show brain damage in adolescents had 25 potheads and 18 controls.

Bless your heart.


1000 is large?

Bless your heart.
 
2018-02-14 12:31:15 AM  

pup.socket: SwiftFox: TFA itself (see quotes above):  "A found to be damaging.  B was not found to be."

Someone must have swapped the link then. This is what I see:

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Well, if that summary was all you bothered seeing.
 
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