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(CNSNews)   Do we really want to eliminate the HAND GRENADE competency requirement from basic training?   ( cnsnews.com) divider line
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2018-02-13 03:57:01 PM  
I'm sure they will roll the training to the appropriate AIT training programs for combat arms.  You don't want to screw around with those things.

/Qualified expert with the grenade long ago in basic
 
2018-02-13 04:02:38 PM  
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2018-02-13 04:09:22 PM  
Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.
 
2018-02-13 04:10:33 PM  
Are grenades being phased out of use or something?

I guess you'll be fine as long as you can count to 5 3.
 
2018-02-13 04:12:12 PM  
The .gov is just worried about the coming revolution & doesn't want those discharged veterans taking grenades from dead soldiers & effectively using them...

/sorry, tin foil helmet just shorted out there for a moment
//that was a fun/scary day back in the mists of time during Basic - even the assorted platoon fark-ups were paying close attention to any instructions
 
2018-02-13 04:18:33 PM  

OdradekRex: I'm sure they will roll the training to the appropriate AIT training programs for combat arms.  You don't want to screw around with those things.

/Qualified expert with the grenade long ago in basic


Same here, still have the mixed up certificate to prove it somewhere (they spelled my name "Private Middle-name, First Initial, Last-name").

That was actually pretty fun, using the practice grenades.  They make a nice "POP!" so you know they went off, and it really wasn't all that hard for even I, a non-athlete, to qualify expert with them.
 
2018-02-13 04:21:52 PM  

ArkPanda: Are grenades being phased out of use or something?

I guess you'll be fine as long as you can count to 5 3.


Its only for basic training for non-combat soldiers.  Infantry, cavalry troopers still have it as a mandatory graduation requirement.

The support troops still get trained on them, but failing the hand grenade range won't keep you from graduating.

I'm mixed.  To be honest, I don't want a comptroller throwing frag grenades on the same battlefield I'm on anyways.
 
2018-02-13 04:33:12 PM  

Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.


Do they even use live grenades for that anymore ? I thought they switched to some dressed up firework for "safety" years ago. Long ago I was told that the push method was taught in case the thrower was killed in mid throw. You either fall in such a way that your natural body posture still launches the grenade forward instead of backwards or sideways at your friends or you flop on top of your own grenade and your body shields your friends. Who knows if it is true ? Is Mythbusters still on the air ?

If I had to put money on it I would say the reason for dropping the grenade toss requirement is the same when most any other physical standards get reduced or eliminated entirely from basic.
 
2018-02-13 04:33:34 PM  

Sgt Otter: I don't want a comptroller throwing frag grenades on the same battlefield I'm on anyways.


YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE YOUR EXPENSE REPORT!

*lob*
*boom*
 
2018-02-13 04:53:33 PM  
So, another thing millenials ruined?
 
2018-02-13 04:53:55 PM  
Proper grenade-throwing form.

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2018-02-13 04:54:58 PM  
Really? this far in and no gifs?
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2018-02-13 04:55:05 PM  

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We're done here.
 
2018-02-13 04:55:14 PM  
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2018-02-13 04:56:45 PM  
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2018-02-13 04:57:53 PM  
No, but could we institute it into the White House security clearance procedure?
 
2018-02-13 04:58:05 PM  
So the guys can't even muster the strength to throw them? Jeebus,  I bet all those recruits leave their jelly doughnut filled footlockers unsecured, as well.
 
2018-02-13 04:58:22 PM  
I was in the infantry and I have thrown a lot of grenades, I don't remember having to 'qualify' with them. I do remember standing behind the blast window at Ft. Benning and watching the grenades hit the ground and roll for about a second before they exploded. I remember being surprised how the explosion was just a loud bang, as opposed to the rolling booms of movie explosions.
 
2018-02-13 04:58:27 PM  
So, now almost only counts in horseshoes?
 
2018-02-13 04:58:41 PM  
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2018-02-13 04:59:47 PM  
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2018-02-13 05:00:04 PM  
Drill Sargent told my uncle just to run out, drop it, and run back.
 
2018-02-13 05:00:56 PM  

Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.


Shouldn't you do a motion like the Kareem Abdul Jabbar alley-oop?  I could do that one pretty goodish.
 
2018-02-13 05:02:03 PM  

Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.


I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.
 
2018-02-13 05:02:22 PM  
It's 2018 and we're still throwing our grenades by hand? WTF do we even have grenade launchers for??
 
2018-02-13 05:03:42 PM  
Read this "...simply can't be taught to properly throw a grenade if they haven't thrown growing up." - immediately thought it said cannot be taught if they haven't grown throwing up - which would qualify all Farkers. .
 
2018-02-13 05:04:30 PM  

Sgt Otter: ArkPanda: Are grenades being phased out of use or something?

I guess you'll be fine as long as you can count to 5 3.

Its only for basic training for non-combat soldiers.  Infantry, cavalry troopers still have it as a mandatory graduation requirement.

The support troops still get trained on them, but failing the hand grenade range won't keep you from graduating.

I'm mixed.  To be honest, I don't want a comptroller throwing frag grenades on the same battlefield I'm on anyways.


Oh come on. You dont want this guy next to you in a foxhole?

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2018-02-13 05:04:33 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.


Takes too long to rare back, wind up, and throw. It's pull pin and get rid of it ASAP.
 
2018-02-13 05:05:59 PM  

skinink: So the guys can't even muster the strength to throw them? Jeebus,  I bet all those recruits leave their jelly doughnut filled footlockers unsecured, as well.


The article mentions that kids don't grow up learning to throw things anymore. They need to find a way to throw a grenade with an Xbox controller.
 
2018-02-13 05:06:52 PM  

Mukster: The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.

Takes too long to rare back, wind up, and throw. It's pull pin and get rid of it ASAP.


I think I'd be able to pull pin and fastball it out pretty quick...faster that doing that strange pushing motion....

Not being argumentative, it was an honest question.
 
2018-02-13 05:07:59 PM  
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2018-02-13 05:09:09 PM  

Mukster: The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.

Takes too long to rare back, wind up, and throw. It's pull pin and get rid of it ASAP.


But if the spoon doesn't come off (and arm the grenade) until it leaves the hand, isn't this a moot point?
 
2018-02-13 05:09:19 PM  
I remember everyone was very focused that day on the range. Even more so that BRM.

/wore a steel pot in basic
 
2018-02-13 05:09:40 PM  
Light Grenade
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2018-02-13 05:10:34 PM  

skinink: So the guys can't even muster the strength to throw them? Jeebus,  I bet all those recruits leave their jelly doughnut filled footlockers unsecured, as well.


I can throw mine pretty far in COD if the cheeto dust doesn't cause my finger to slip.
 
2018-02-13 05:11:01 PM  
30 meters isn't a lofty toss for anyone that didn't grow up playing sports.

Just out of curiosity about two years ago I measured out 60 feet, 6 inches (distance from the pitchers mound to home plate) and was like "there's no way that's accurate..." and I played baseball until I was 16.

I'm pretty sure I could easily hit it, but I can see how any kid that didn't grow up playing sports couldn't chuck something that far.
 
2018-02-13 05:11:08 PM  
Bad instructions - misplaced warning
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2018-02-13 05:11:44 PM  
spies like us - grenade
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2018-02-13 05:12:20 PM  

R.O.U.S: skinink: So the guys can't even muster the strength to throw them? Jeebus,  I bet all those recruits leave their jelly doughnut filled footlockers unsecured, as well.

The article mentions that kids don't grow up learning to throw things anymore. They need to find a way to throw a grenade with an Xbox controller.


Kids throw Xbox controllers all the time.  Teach 'em to do it like that.

/It's probably the only thing they throw.
 
2018-02-13 05:12:40 PM  
What is our Yakitty Sax budget?
 
2018-02-13 05:12:44 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Mukster: The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.

Takes too long to rare back, wind up, and throw. It's pull pin and get rid of it ASAP.

I think I'd be able to pull pin and fastball it out pretty quick...faster that doing that strange pushing motion....

Not being argumentative, it was an honest question.


Well, no. When you treat it like a ball, you have a tendency to stop, aim, and lose track of time and kill you and few guys in your squad.

They are enforcing a muscle memory response to "LIVE GRENADE! GET IT AWAY!"
 
2018-02-13 05:13:23 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: R.O.U.S: skinink: So the guys can't even muster the strength to throw them? Jeebus,  I bet all those recruits leave their jelly doughnut filled footlockers unsecured, as well.

The article mentions that kids don't grow up learning to throw things anymore. They need to find a way to throw a grenade with an Xbox controller.

Kids throw Xbox controllers all the time.  Teach 'em to do it like that.

/It's probably the only thing they throw.


Damnit!
*throws grenade directly at feet*
 
2018-02-13 05:13:51 PM  
So basically, it looks like if you're on a career path that probably wont be within a thousand miles of a combat zone and will almost certainly never touch a grenade again in their life, theyre not going to require proficiency in grenade use to graduate basic training, but anyone in a combat MOS still has qualify.

Sounds fine to me.
 
2018-02-13 05:14:39 PM  

Mukster: The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.

Takes too long to rare back, wind up, and throw. It's pull pin and get rid of it ASAP.


The basic grenade is much heavier than a baseball, but the tendency is to throw it as hard as you can, not considering how much it actually weighs.
It's heavy enough to have more inertia to overcome than you'd expect, so when you "whip" your wrist like throwing a baseball, it usually slips right through your fingers and lands by your heel.
 
2018-02-13 05:15:39 PM  
Captain America: The First Avenger - Grenade Clip
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2018-02-13 05:16:24 PM  
FTFA: said that recruits today have to throw them 20-30 meters.  Surely that's a mis-type.  I think the foxhole, pillbox and window targets we used were like 20-30 feet.  Maybe I am just disremembering.  It wasn't difficult.  In fact I still have my expert badge on the refrigerator oddly enough.  (Found it in a box in my latest move)
 
2018-02-13 05:18:33 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.


It is basically a modified baseball throw, just no big "wind up" when pulling back.  A lot of people straighten out their arm and kind of flop like giving a high five or other nonsense.  I get where they are coming from on this one, most recruits are shiatting their pants when they get up there so even if they know how to do it they are knee knocking so hard they lose all common sense.  Leave that to combat arms who may actually have some possibility of ever having to do that.

Getting rid of land nav?  Are you kidding me?  It's *very* possible someone could get lost from an attacked convoy and have only maps to find their way back. No one wants to be a POW, it's bad for everyone involved.  Not to mention there's a bit of "we need you to have x level of intelligence" there.
 
2018-02-13 05:19:49 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Equilibrist: Couldn't get certified on the grenade because of that stupid push method they insisted on.  If they'd let me throw it like a baseball I could have lit up anything nearby.

I always thought that was strange.

Why do they insist on the push method vs a baseball toss?  Seems more accurate to let soldiers use the throwing method they have practiced their whole lives.


I was told it was to get the grenade high to throw over cover.
 
2018-02-13 05:20:10 PM  
From the military.com article TFA linked to:

"Just because we took it off as a graduation requirement does not mean they won't be conducting hand grenade or land navigation training," Frost said. "They are going to learn all the technical aspects of the hand grenade, and they are going to learn tactical employment and they will throw a live hand grenade.
"With land navigation, it's the same thing they are still going to conduct land navigation training; they are still going to conduct the day course they are still going to conduct the night course."


Another non-story.
 
2018-02-13 05:22:59 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: From the military.com article TFA linked to:

"Just because we took it off as a graduation requirement does not mean they won't be conducting hand grenade or land navigation training," Frost said. "They are going to learn all the technical aspects of the hand grenade, and they are going to learn tactical employment and they will throw a live hand grenade.
"With land navigation, it's the same thing they are still going to conduct land navigation training; they are still going to conduct the day course they are still going to conduct the night course."

Another non-story.


It's from CNSNEWS so you can be sure to hear Trump and Fox news go on and on about how weak our military is so we need 439billion more in funding or Lil Kim will invade tomorrow.
 
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