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(The New York Times)   Dozens of Russians believed killed in U.S.-led Syria attack   ( mobile.nytimes.com) divider line
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2018-02-13 11:25:18 AM  
Uh oh. Thaaaaat's not good. Pooty-Poot is gonna be soo pissed at Trump.
 
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2018-02-13 11:29:28 AM  
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2018-02-13 11:29:32 AM  
It's a good thing it didn't happen the other way around or else Trump MIGHT be required to issue lukewarm "it was all just a big misunderstanding" statements.  He still will, but at least it won't be about a bunch of Americans being killed.
 
2018-02-13 11:30:04 AM  
This does not bode well when we have an unstable inexperienced man-child in the White House.

Not at all
 
2018-02-13 11:30:24 AM  
Shouldn't we be coordinating a little better than this?

Look I know you don't like us and you know we don't like you but let's make sure we don't hit each other, kay?
 
2018-02-13 11:32:43 AM  
The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.
 
2018-02-13 11:33:28 AM  
This is unbelievably huge news. Christ only knows what's happening in the background over this.
 
2018-02-13 11:33:52 AM  
This is the opportunity Trump has been looking for. He'll use this as an excuse to say we need to drop all this sanctions nonsense as a form of reparations.
 
2018-02-13 11:36:17 AM  

Norad: This is unbelievably huge news. Christ only knows what's happening in the background over this.


*username checks out.
 
2018-02-13 11:36:44 AM  
Putin: "What did I tell you about killing Russians?"
Trump: "You said not to."
Putin: "And what did you do?"
Trump: "Killed Russians."
 
2018-02-13 11:40:15 AM  

aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.


Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.
 
2018-02-13 11:41:07 AM  

stir22: Norad: This is unbelievably huge news. Christ only knows what's happening in the background over this.

*username checks out.


From TFA, one reason Russia hasn't made a big deal out of it is that they're trying to pretend the Russian Army isn't there.  Just a few soldiers on vacation, with their tanks and planes.  I wonder how they keep getting those in the overhead bins.
 
2018-02-13 11:42:09 AM  

Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".
This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.


I think the proxy war is already going.
The US has to get involved BIG, or just go home.
We had to be there like 5 years ago to prevent this mess.
At least that is my perception.
 
2018-02-13 11:51:07 AM  

Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.


Could?

Seven years after it began, Syria's messy, bloody civil war could finally be nearing its end. But a conflict that has left half a million people dead - and displaced nearly 13 million more - is being replaced by something even more dangerous.

buzzfeed

Hard to believe something that bad is only just the beginning.

"We're really reaching an endgame in terms of different stakeholders starting to carve their spheres of influences," said Randa Slim, a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "The intra-Syrian fight is finished. It's about Iran. It's about Israel. It's about Turkey. It's about Russia. It's about the US. They are now involved in waging the fight on the ground."

But here we are.
 
2018-02-13 11:54:26 AM  

Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.


I think we're already in a proxy war, and not a 'hiding behind 7 proxies' proxy war, a very thin proxy.
 
2018-02-13 11:57:02 AM  
Man that's a shiatty vacation. Should've taken leave in Europe.
 
2018-02-13 12:20:48 PM  

Snazzy1: I think we're already in a proxy war, and not a 'hiding behind 7 proxies' proxy war, a very thin proxy.


Yeah, I realized as soon as I hit "Add Comment". "I think I'm misusing that term".
 
2018-02-13 12:21:21 PM  

ArkPanda: stir22: Norad: This is unbelievably huge news. Christ only knows what's happening in the background over this.

*username checks out.

From TFA, one reason Russia hasn't made a big deal out of it is that they're trying to pretend the Russian Army isn't there.  Just a few soldiers on vacation, with their tanks and planes.  I wonder how they keep getting those in the overhead bins.


Hey- you pay the $35 for a carry-on, might as well make it count.
 
2018-02-13 12:28:05 PM  

naughtyrev: This is the opportunity Trump has been looking for. He'll use this as an excuse to say we need to drop all this sanctions nonsense as a form of reparations.


You people need to get a grip
 
2018-02-13 12:28:23 PM  
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2018-02-13 12:29:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.

Could?

Seven years after it began, Syria's messy, bloody civil war could finally be nearing its end. But a conflict that has left half a million people dead - and displaced nearly 13 million more - is being replaced by something even more dangerous.

buzzfeed

Hard to believe something that bad is only just the beginning.

"We're really reaching an endgame in terms of different stakeholders starting to carve their spheres of influences," said Randa Slim, a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "The intra-Syrian fight is finished. It's about Iran. It's about Israel. It's about Turkey. It's about Russia. It's about the US. They are now involved in waging the fight on the ground."

But here we are.


When has it ever stopped? This is just the latest version of The Great Game. It has been going on since history started. People will suffer and die. More will die because we have an incompetent in the White House.
 
2018-02-13 12:30:17 PM  

Erma Gerdd: ArkPanda: stir22: Norad: This is unbelievably huge news. Christ only knows what's happening in the background over this.

*username checks out.

From TFA, one reason Russia hasn't made a big deal out of it is that they're trying to pretend the Russian Army isn't there.  Just a few soldiers on vacation, with their tanks and planes.  I wonder how they keep getting those in the overhead bins.

Hey- you pay the $35 for a carry-on, might as well make it count.


I thought you had to check your plane to its final destination.
 
2018-02-13 12:30:19 PM  
Oooops.
 
2018-02-13 12:31:03 PM  
They should learn to vacation in safer places.
 
2018-02-13 12:31:28 PM  

aungen: Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".
This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.

I think the proxy war is already going.
The US has to get involved BIG, or just go home.
We had to be there like 5 years ago to prevent this mess.
At least that is my perception.


This entire Syria war has been a proxy war from the start.  The US, Saudi Arabia the 'good' jihadists on one side.  Russia, Iran, and Assad on the other.   So far, Russian and Iran have been winning.  What happens now is anybodies guess.
 
2018-02-13 12:32:41 PM  
It doesn't sound like the Russians are very effective soldiers.  Maybe they should get more training on how to avoid being shot.
 
2018-02-13 12:34:44 PM  
Eh. It's a good start.
 
2018-02-13 12:35:08 PM  
Good.
 
2018-02-13 12:35:27 PM  
Those were LGMs.
 
2018-02-13 12:37:00 PM  

the_innkeeper: Nadie_AZ: Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.

Could?

Seven years after it began, Syria's messy, bloody civil war could finally be nearing its end. But a conflict that has left half a million people dead - and displaced nearly 13 million more - is being replaced by something even more dangerous.

buzzfeed

Hard to believe something that bad is only just the beginning.

"We're really reaching an endgame in terms of different stakeholders starting to carve their spheres of influences," said Randa Slim, a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "The intra-Syrian fight is finished. It's about Iran. It's about Israel. It's about Turkey. It's about Russia. It's about the US. They are now involved in waging the fight on the ground."

But here we are.

When has it ever stopped? This is just the latest version of The Great Game. It has been going on since history started. People will suffer and die. More will die because we have an incompetent in the White House.


Tell us about the great leader again...tell us how Obama would have stopped the war in Syria.
 
2018-02-13 12:37:41 PM  
I think this one was a "Russia was informed of the airstrikes but Russia didn't tell their own troops or contractors about it"

That won't change until Russia gets to carve out their Kaliningrad-South on the med. Once they get their nails dug in there, they won't get two sweet shiats about anything else in the region.
 
2018-02-13 12:38:31 PM  
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2018-02-13 12:38:32 PM  
As someone who works for a defense contractor, but is also anti-war and also hates working for a defense contractor, I say this is a mixed blessing.
 
2018-02-13 12:38:35 PM  
Fortunately we have a master diplomat in the Oval Office.
We're most likely going to die.
 
2018-02-13 12:38:36 PM  

Frank N Stein: naughtyrev: This is the opportunity Trump has been looking for. He'll use this as an excuse to say we need to drop all this sanctions nonsense as a form of reparations.

You people need to get a grip


Because he's been such a hard liner on enforcing them already, right?
 
2018-02-13 12:38:51 PM  
Welp... There goes the 2018 elections...
 
2018-02-13 12:40:04 PM  

wkndfrk: Uh oh. Thaaaaat's not good. Pooty-Poot is gonna be soo pissed at Trump.


It's a good thing Trump has an alibi.
 
2018-02-13 12:40:06 PM  
Putin "Release the Pee Pee tape! Full directors cut!"
 
2018-02-13 12:40:31 PM  
Most of the fatalities were attributed to an American airstrike on enemy columns that was called in by American-backed Kurdish soldiers who believed they were under attack.
At no point, an American military spokesman said, was there any chance of direct conflict between United States and Russian forces.


So an American plane dropping bombs on Russian soldiers isn't "direct conflict between United States and Russian forces"?
 
2018-02-13 12:41:41 PM  
I still think we should have done this back in '48. Pax Americana baby!
 
2018-02-13 12:41:52 PM  
"Dozens of Russians nationals were killed" is a much different thing than saying "Dozens of Russian troops were killed." Everyone calm down.
 
2018-02-13 12:42:55 PM  
I hope it's true.  Fark the Russians.
 
2018-02-13 12:44:01 PM  
I'll Putins sad he put Trump in the white house, now.
 
2018-02-13 12:45:20 PM  
Just saves them the trouble of being killed behind the wheel of their Lada like most Russians.
 
2018-02-13 12:45:34 PM  

WhyKnot: the_innkeeper: Nadie_AZ: Ambivalence: aungen: The main problem is the Russians are lying constantly about where they are.  Maybe a bit more of this kind of activity will remind them to be more clear about their locations.

Or it will give them the pretense to attack American positions because "oops, we didn't know!".

This could get all proxy war-ish REAL quick.

Could?

Seven years after it began, Syria's messy, bloody civil war could finally be nearing its end. But a conflict that has left half a million people dead - and displaced nearly 13 million more - is being replaced by something even more dangerous.

buzzfeed

Hard to believe something that bad is only just the beginning.

"We're really reaching an endgame in terms of different stakeholders starting to carve their spheres of influences," said Randa Slim, a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "The intra-Syrian fight is finished. It's about Iran. It's about Israel. It's about Turkey. It's about Russia. It's about the US. They are now involved in waging the fight on the ground."

But here we are.

When has it ever stopped? This is just the latest version of The Great Game. It has been going on since history started. People will suffer and die. More will die because we have an incompetent in the White House.

Tell us about the great leader again...tell us how Obama would have stopped the war in Syria.


Knocked over Assad when we had the opportunity. He sent the request for use of military force to Congress to launch crippling or decapitation strikes via the US Navy. Congress said no, or punted. 

My FB feed at the time was full of "We are not Al Qaeda's Navy" from all of my conservative Navy friends. 

Roger that. I guess another long slog of barely justified police action is due.
 
2018-02-13 12:47:04 PM  
So, if I'm reading this right, the Kurds got tired of getting shot at, and put a heap load of hurt on the jackasses who thought that they'd just absorb casualties without comment...

Oops.
 
2018-02-13 12:47:47 PM  
"Dark Secret Place" podcast has pretty good info on the mid-east mess. He reported this last week and breaks down the who, what, where and why.
 
2018-02-13 12:49:46 PM  

hubiestubert: So, if I'm reading this right, the Kurds got tired of getting shot at, and put a heap load of hurt on the jackasses who thought that they'd just absorb casualties without comment...

Oops.


Yeah.  In warfare, you really need to keep out of the Kurd's way.
 
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