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2018-02-13 10:28:21 AM  

fuzzybacchus: Thingster: fuzzybacchus: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Yeah, which is weird because you'd expect that be more of a gas pedal thing.

Probably front wheel drive, so hand brake locks rear wheels (no engine to keep them spinning), driver panics and starts braking but the loose back end swings around due to decreased traction.

With a rear drive car this wouldn't happen as the engine would prevent the brakes from locking .

It'll happen with rear drive, cars have more whoa than go.

ABS was originally introduced as R(rear)ABS to keep vehicles from going ass first in a panic stop.  If you've ever locked up the back end of a pickup truck, it's a puckering experience.

I have pulled the handbrake in my rear drive car with engine in gear.  Engine torque  > braking force.   If both rear wheels lock either engine is out of gear or engine is stalled (Or something really shiatty is happening to the differential). I know what you are describing with pickup trucks but I assume that for both wheels to lock engine needs to be out of gear (I guess an automatic does it for you). I was thinking of a scenario that the foot stays on the gas (and also didn't consider automatic transmissions).


Perhaps armchair analyst should consider the possibility the driver involuntarily let up on the accelerator pedal when the parking brake was suddenly pulled.  The engine torque not available to overcome braking force. Also rear wheels do not have to lock up tight to begin skidding.
 
2018-02-13 10:30:15 AM  
Joline, Joline.  Joline... Joline!

I begging of you please don't pull that brake!
 
2018-02-13 10:33:58 AM  

Nocrash: fuzzybacchus: Thingster: fuzzybacchus: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Yeah, which is weird because you'd expect that be more of a gas pedal thing.

Probably front wheel drive, so hand brake locks rear wheels (no engine to keep them spinning), driver panics and starts braking but the loose back end swings around due to decreased traction.

With a rear drive car this wouldn't happen as the engine would prevent the brakes from locking .

It'll happen with rear drive, cars have more whoa than go.

ABS was originally introduced as R(rear)ABS to keep vehicles from going ass first in a panic stop.  If you've ever locked up the back end of a pickup truck, it's a puckering experience.

I have pulled the handbrake in my rear drive car with engine in gear.  Engine torque  > braking force.   If both rear wheels lock either engine is out of gear or engine is stalled (Or something really shiatty is happening to the differential). I know what you are describing with pickup trucks but I assume that for both wheels to lock engine needs to be out of gear (I guess an automatic does it for you). I was thinking of a scenario that the foot stays on the gas (and also didn't consider automatic transmissions).

Perhaps armchair analyst should consider the possibility the driver involuntarily let up on the accelerator pedal when the parking brake was suddenly pulled.  The engine torque not available to overcome braking force. Also rear wheels do not have to lock up tight to begin skidding.


No shiat... I thought this was an internet discussion forum.  Nobody here really knows what happened.
 
2018-02-13 10:37:16 AM  

asciibaron: seeing the PennLive link, i was prepared to read about my former girlfriend pulling the e-brake... she is the only woman to ever hit me.  while driving she started hitting and KICKING me... i got a hiking boot to the face at 35mph and she tossed her car into park.  then blamed me for killing the transmission.


Former girlfriend, current wife.
 
2018-02-13 10:39:31 AM  

fuzzybacchus: NotThatGuyAgain: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Not if you're going in a straight line.  One of my brothers used to do it to me all the time, although usually only on wet roads so it didn't chew up the tires.

It sure won't, by itself, cause a car to flip.  There needs to be something else involved, like, say, sliding off the road and over a bank.

Or the car going sidways  once the loose back end starts to rotate and driver panics /jacknifes the wheel.


Maybe if it's a jeep, but your average car wont flip from merely skidding sideways.  I reckon an SUV might flip.  When I took some really cool skid training back in the early 80s (NJ, unfinished part of 78, at least one other Farker did the same) the instructor said no car made since (years before) would flip from skidding sideways.
 
2018-02-13 10:40:42 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: fuzzybacchus: NotThatGuyAgain: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Not if you're going in a straight line.  One of my brothers used to do it to me all the time, although usually only on wet roads so it didn't chew up the tires.

It sure won't, by itself, cause a car to flip.  There needs to be something else involved, like, say, sliding off the road and over a bank.

Or the car going sidways  once the loose back end starts to rotate and driver panics /jacknifes the wheel.

Maybe if it's a jeep, but your average car wont flip from merely skidding sideways.  I reckon an SUV might flip.  When I took some really cool skid training back in the early 80s (NJ, unfinished part of 78, at least one other Farker did the same) the instructor said no car made since (years before) would flip from skidding sideways.


Probably flipped after going into the bank, I would wager   I agree it is hard (but not impossible) to roll a car on a flat path.
 
2018-02-13 10:46:47 AM  

zpaul: Is there a psychological term for having a thought like , driving down a road and thinking I could swerve into this 18 wheeler , or when standing on a cliff the thought to jump , but you only think it and never come close to acting it out- I have had the thought to just pull the E brake.  Just those crazy arse thoughts you dismiss after a second of entertaining it.


I'm pretty sure that's what I use to call my Monday morning commute. "I don't have to spend PTO to get out of work today if I'm dead."
 
2018-02-13 10:48:09 AM  
But who was right?
 
2018-02-13 10:49:44 AM  
FTFA: "Reynolds said Joline crawled out of the wreck and ran away without trying to help the woman."
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/too soon?
 
2018-02-13 10:52:18 AM  
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He looks like he feels so guilty, too.
 
2018-02-13 10:59:55 AM  
That happened in Mid-Missouri recently. Woman was driving down the highway with her husband and kid in the car.  Woman and husband were having a domestic argument. Husband get so pissed he yanks the steering wheel out of her hand at 65 miles an hour. Crashes, flips the car, kills the woman. Four year old has to testify in court how Daddy killed Mommy.
 
2018-02-13 11:01:21 AM  
Emergency brake subby? You sure about that?
 
2018-02-13 11:01:42 AM  

baorao: Radioactive Ass: [farm7.static.flickr.com image 640x378]

Problem solved.

/old school is the best school.

So many pedals. What kind of piano is that?


Silly person. It's a Wurlitzer organ not a piano. You can tell by the pattern on the pedals you Noob.
 
2018-02-13 11:02:58 AM  
"Joline, 23, of Delta, was arrested the next day on charges of aggravated assault, simple assault, risking a catastrophe..."

... And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time there on the bench, talkin' 'bout crime, mother-stabbin', father-rapin' and all kinds of groovy things.
 
2018-02-13 11:23:43 AM  

ZAZ: Thanks for the stock photo of what a handbrake looks like, for the young people who have never seen a car with anything but a button that doesn't do anything obvious and nobody presses anyway.

arrested the next day on charges of ... risking a catastrophe

The law prohibits "catastrophe by explosion, fire, flood, avalanche, collapse of building, release of poison gas, radioactive material or other harmful or destructive force or substance, or by any other means of causing potentially widespread injury or damage." I guess to that list we can add, "causing a car crash if police don't like you."


About a month ago near my house, one car hit a patch of ice, skidded, and started a chain reaction that wrecked 18 cars and 2 semis, killing two people. Someone intentionally causing a wreck is a danger to the public.
 
2018-02-13 11:47:28 AM  

This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?


It's the emergency "make the car smell bad" lever.  

/RIP Mitch Hedberg
 
2018-02-13 11:49:43 AM  

Gaddiel: zpaul: Is there a psychological term for having a thought like , driving down a road and thinking I could swerve into this 18 wheeler , or when standing on a cliff the thought to jump , but you only think it and never come close to acting it out- I have had the thought to just pull the E brake.  Just those crazy arse thoughts you dismiss after a second of entertaining it.

I'm pretty sure that's what I use to call my Monday morning commute. "I don't have to spend PTO to get out of work today if I'm dead."


Am I Superman ?  Let's see
 
2018-02-13 11:50:09 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

"Which doesn't say much for me, but it also doesn't say much for the 'Emergency Brake'! I think they should call it the 'make the car smell funny lever'!

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Shakes tiny fist!
 
2018-02-13 11:52:53 AM  
I enjoy using a console mounted handbrake to drift around corners efficiently in the winter.

I don't enjoy using a console mounted handbrake while traveling at highway speed.. But I have to imagine if there were other physics in play the vehicle could and certainly would have come to a dead stop in a fairly straight line.  Physics in play could have been a non-straight section of road, uneven terrain, or a driver (gender irrelevant) who is inexperienced with how to react to a handbrake being activated and over-reacting to the situation.
 
2018-02-13 11:53:31 AM  
i seem to remember reading a similar story (maybe it was on here) about a guy who was driving in the mountains while his girlfriend was sleeping.

He came across one of those truck emergency ramps, and thought "I've always wanted to try those!".

/their relationship did not survive the incident.
 
2018-02-13 12:01:06 PM  

akya: i seem to remember reading a similar story (maybe it was on here) about a guy who was driving in the mountains while his girlfriend was sleeping.

He came across one of those truck emergency ramps, and thought "I've always wanted to try those!".

/their relationship did not survive the incident.


Just the relationship?
 
2018-02-13 12:06:10 PM  

This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?


Holy crap, finally something I can speak to from experience...

Ex-wife did this to me once.  The "pre-argument before the main argument that led to the divorce", if you follow.  Doing about 75 down the highway in my 95 Accord, she got all pissed off and yanked up on the e-brake as hard as she could.

Thankfully, there was no one around us at the time, as the car went into a long, swooping skid.  I just turned into the skid (like driving on ice) let the car slow a bit, then popped the e-brake back off and continued to drive.  Noticed a little bit of smoke in the rearview, but nothing bad.

Later, I noticed the left rear tire had a small flat spot, so it must have been the only tire to really lock up.
 
2018-02-13 12:06:57 PM  

zpaul: Is there a psychological term for having a thought like , driving down a road and thinking I could swerve into this 18 wheeler , or when standing on a cliff the thought to jump , but you only think it and never come close to acting it out- I have had the thought to just pull the E brake.  Just those crazy arse thoughts you dismiss after a second of entertaining it.


Suicidal ideation
 
2018-02-13 12:44:17 PM  
Reynolds said Joline crawled out of the wreck and ran away without trying to help the woman.

He's a keeper.
 
2018-02-13 12:45:48 PM  
How else do you do a Rockford turn without it.  I miss rear wheel drive sometimes   They could be a lot of fun
 
2018-02-13 12:49:56 PM  

This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?


It clearly did
 
2018-02-13 01:10:51 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Tim Tebow: fuzzybacchus: BeesNuts: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: fuzzybacchus: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Yeah, which is weird because you'd expect that be more of a gas pedal thing.

Probably front wheel drive, so hand brake locks rear wheels (no engine to keep them spinning), driver panics and starts braking but the loose back end swings around due to decreased traction.

With a rear drive car this wouldn't happen as the engine would prevent the brakes from locking .

This is this most technical response to a fart joke I've ever read.

And only just now am I realizing that your post was a fart joke.

Probably means it could use some work, but in hindsight... Well done.

Yeah I missed the joke too....  I was thinking burning rubber.

Same here. Was it supposed to allude to pulling a finger?

You see, he was talking about the brake causing a bad smell and then I said something about the "gas" pedal because, you see, farts are .....oh never mind.


Now, I could go along with the "bad smell" angle, but if we're going to be serious about it... I'm thinking this situation might call for a complete bowel evacuation.
 
2018-02-13 01:16:01 PM  

fuzzybacchus: NotThatGuyAgain: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Not if you're going in a straight line.  One of my brothers used to do it to me all the time, although usually only on wet roads so it didn't chew up the tires.

It sure won't, by itself, cause a car to flip.  There needs to be something else involved, like, say, sliding off the road and over a bank.

Or the car going sidways  once the loose back end starts to rotate and driver panics /jacknifes the wheel.


I would not expect every 18 year old girl to drive like Christy Louis.  although, if Christy was driving with that asshat sitting right - it could have been fun to watch. :)
 
2018-02-13 02:04:20 PM  
The rule is--no matter how mad you are, you never fark with the person driving the car, or the car, while fighting.

Not doing so is grounds for breaking up and restraining orders.
 
2018-02-13 02:05:09 PM  

Bowen: asciibaron: seeing the PennLive link, i was prepared to read about my former girlfriend pulling the e-brake... she is the only woman to ever hit me.  while driving she started hitting and KICKING me... i got a hiking boot to the face at 35mph and she tossed her car into park.  then blamed me for killing the transmission.

Former girlfriend, current wife.


thanks for taking one for the team ;)

she was bat-shiat but man was she crazy in the sack.  totally worth boot to face...
 
2018-02-13 02:51:57 PM  
"State police at York reported Monday that, on Jan. 23, Charles Joline III started arguing with his 18-year-old girlfriend while she was driving on Route 74 in Peach Bottom Township.
Joline got so angry he reached over and pulled the emergency brake lever while the car was going 50 to 60 mph, Trooper Timothy Reynolds said."

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2018-02-13 03:24:35 PM  

Ambivalence: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

You ever see those really cool stunt driving things where cars make impossibly tight turns?  That's sometimes caused by using the emergency break at high speeds.  I knew a lady who would do that rather regularly, steer with the emergency break.

Which is all well and good if you're doing it yourself or if you anticipate it's happening or if you have experience doing that, when your passenger just springs it on you and you're only 18 and don't have much driving experience, well...you gonna roll.


In my late teens and early 20s, the group of friends that I hung out with had a rule that the e-brake was always fair game if it was reachable. It was a dick move to pull it if there was a cop around, but nobody ever did that to anyone. The rest of the time, you could be driving along and a passenger would just yank the thing at some random time. We all survived, no actual damage happened to anyone or anything.

/There was the one guy who ended up marrying the girl whose car we drove all over town with the e-brake on sliding all over the place.
//He ended up being the one who bought tires for it.
 
2018-02-13 03:55:03 PM  

ZAZ: Thanks for the stock photo of what a handbrake looks like, for the young people who have never seen a car with anything but a button that doesn't do anything obvious and nobody presses anyway.

arrested the next day on charges of ... risking a catastrophe

The law prohibits "catastrophe by explosion, fire, flood, avalanche, collapse of building, release of poison gas, radioactive material or other harmful or destructive force or substance, or by any other means of causing potentially widespread injury or damage." I guess to that list we can add, "causing a car crash if police don't like you."


Flipping a car can cause at least three of those.
 
2018-02-13 04:16:11 PM  
I've had an 03 WRX since new and I've done a lot of the maintenance and work on it. The emergency brake on that car is a tiny little drum caliper that rides on the inside of the rear brake discs. It would slow you down in an emergency, but your brakes would probably do a better job. While I've never fully engaged it at 60mph (I was gonna say while I've never pulled it at 60mph but that would be a lie) I have my doubts that it would stop the car in an instant or horrific manner.
 
2018-02-13 04:41:23 PM  

chatikh: "State police at York reported Monday that, on Jan. 23, Charles Joline III started arguing with his 18-year-old girlfriend while she was driving on Route 74 in Peach Bottom Township.
Joline got so angry he reached over and pulled the emergency brake lever while the car was going 50 to 60 mph, Trooper Timothy Reynolds said."

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Not for nothing but that actually looks pretty safe. Without two people I'd really say NO! but in all honesty I'd be a lot more worried about a skyscrapers window washers.
 
2018-02-13 06:14:12 PM  

mama2tnt: This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?

Had an assignment of a bf do it once while driving MY car at about 100mph. Didn't do squat but slow us down a little.

/ymmv


Never let a man drive your car.
 
2018-02-13 06:29:46 PM  
You can safely pull a parking brake lever at freeway speeds, but you can't start jerking the wheel around while you are skidding and spinning around.  The brake itself won't flip you, but the spazzing will.
 
2018-02-13 09:02:16 PM  

skreeonk: [img.fark.net image 534x401]

He looks like he feels so guilty, too.


It was hard for him when he found the bodies of his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru.
 
2018-02-14 08:35:54 AM  

This text is now purple: Would pulling the handbrake do anything at highway speeds, besides causing a bad smell?


Well one thing we've learnt here is that there isn't a single automotive engineer on Fark.

We can reasonably assume the car was fwd, and jerking on the handbrake locked the rear wheels. The fundamental physics is that a car with locked rears is unstable - any disturbance, even a small bump in the road surface, will start the car spinning. Conversely, lock the fronts and the car will plough on in a straight line. I can't explain the science, but try it with your kid's toy car and a bit of Blu-Tac as a brake, down the hallway carpet.

Any vehicle locking its rears first will automatically fail type approval. It's why most vehicles have a rear axle load sensor to restrict line pressure when there's no load in the rear. It's also why race cars have a bias adjuster, so they can eke out the most rear braking in the conditions without crossing the threshold.

Once the car is spinning, it's just chance whether the car comes to a halt, hits something, or finds a nice pivot point to flip on. There aren't many things she could have done, and even the most important (releasing the hand brake) would have required luck once the vehicle was out of shape.
 
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