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2018-02-12 08:35:59 PM  
This is wonderful. I hope no innocent cops get capped because of this.
 
2018-02-13 12:22:57 AM  
The corruption is completely laid bare in this case. We are monsters.
 
2018-02-13 12:24:06 AM  
Murdering unarmed people? Totally legal.

Overtime fraud? Go directly to jail!
 
2018-02-13 12:25:09 AM  
Do the Fark cop defenders swoop into these sorts of threads?
Or do they stay silent when the point is made this clearly?
 
2018-02-13 12:26:46 AM  
now as always, ftp
 
2018-02-13 12:37:30 AM  
What did Schumer promise them?
 
2018-02-13 12:37:32 AM  
Got'dang subby.
 
2018-02-13 12:42:42 AM  
I live Baltimore;  Subby's not wrong.
 
2018-02-13 12:43:23 AM  
I'm just surprised a police officer got convicted of anything. Others must have turned state's evidence or the union must be very weak there.
 
2018-02-13 12:51:25 AM  
Racketeering. Not what I was expecting.
 
2018-02-13 12:52:22 AM  
Jesus.  I'm not usually a burn the motherfarker down and salt the earth type, but damn.  BPD needs to have every officer, all the way up to Commissioner fired, and replaced.  Up standards to require a bachelors degree to join, and completely disband the paramilitary and "special" units.  shiat has gone too far, and one major city's PD needs to be made an example of.  Put the rest on notice of what can happen to you.  Have State Police and the Feds patrol and run down crime in the city while the PD is rebuilt from scratch.  Minimum 20 year sentence when caught for corruption, bodycams on everyone but undercover cops, immediate termination if the camera stops functioning for anything but verified mechanical issues confirmed by an outside lab, data to be stored on servers not accessible by the rank and file cops.  I'm sure there are other things, but that feels like a good start.
 
2018-02-13 12:57:34 AM  

Somacandra: I'm just surprised a police officer got convicted of anything. Others must have turned state's evidence or the union must be very weak there.


4 other officers got caught red handed and made deals.
 
2018-02-13 12:59:00 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: What did Schumer promise them?


Your unused brain. Good thing you won't notice the extraction.
 
2018-02-13 12:59:17 AM  

doglover: Murdering unarmed people? Totally legal.

Overtime fraud? Go directly to jail!


Seeing this through the lens of class, it makes sense. One is stealing from your betters, the other is killing the "dregs" of society.

/It's like class divisions mean something still!
//Incidentally, the police work for the elite
///Which is why white people and middle class people still sometimes get shot and nothing happens
 
2018-02-13 01:00:28 AM  
"Hersl's brother, Steve Hersl, said later that "Danny" did not "deserve this. Let's talk about the corruption that starts at the top."
Ah, the old "but everyone's doing it" defence.
The sad part is how much it was mentioned in the article that the corruption goes way up.

"But the new acting chief has also echoed Pugh, repeatedly blaming "a few bad apples" for giving the force a bad name."
I can't belive he actually said it. What is stupid about that comment is that the idiots who actually use it forget the idiom it is from:
"One bad apple ruins the barrel"
 
2018-02-13 01:02:47 AM  

WTFDYW: This is wonderful. I hope no innocent cops get capped because of this.


"The guilty officers accused several others of stealing from citizens, including a detective killed with his revolver late last year a day before he was set to testify before a grand jury in thepolice corruption case. The death of Det. Sean Suiter last November remains unsolved. The FBI has said there is no reason to believe it was connected to the corruption probe."
 
2018-02-13 01:04:28 AM  
And if you really want to know how bad the problem is, listen to these statements:
"All six plea agreements state that someone in the state's attorney's office leaked information about the federal investigation to the task force members, and several officers testified fellow police gave them a heads-up as well."
 
2018-02-13 01:09:13 AM  

WTFDYW: innocent cops


I'm beginning to wonder how many of those, if any, are left anymore.
 
2018-02-13 01:18:27 AM  
It's a start.
 
2018-02-13 01:23:57 AM  
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2018-02-13 01:29:05 AM  
Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.
 
2018-02-13 01:37:41 AM  

OgreMagi: Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.


Sounds like the mayor needs to be punted out the door as well.
 
2018-02-13 01:41:57 AM  

Boo_Guy: OgreMagi: Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.

Sounds like the mayor needs to be punted out the door as well.


And the city council.  Or we nuke Baltimore from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
 
2018-02-13 01:59:16 AM  

doglover: Murdering unarmed people? Totally legal.

Overtime fraud? Go directly to jail!


Yes, because one is a crime against money which is unforgivable to those in power, the other is cops doing what time in power wish then to do, keep minorities down.
 
2018-02-13 02:06:15 AM  

devildog123: Up standards to require a bachelors degree to join, and completely disband the paramilitary and "special" units. shiat has gone too far, and one major city's PD needs to be made an example of. Put the rest on notice of what can happen to you. Have State Police and the Feds patrol and run down crime in the city while the PD is rebuilt from scratch. Minimum 20 year sentence when caught for corruption, bodycams on everyone but undercover cops, immediate termination if the camera stops functioning for anything but verified mechanical issues confirmed by an outside lab, data to be stored on servers not accessible by the rank and file cops. I'm sure there are other things, but that feels like a good start.


Obviously strong measures need to be taken, but setting unattainable standards won't do anything but prevent people from becoming cops.

Generally when you see these corruption scandals in a police department, it reflects a failure of leadership at the highest levels. Even though these criminal cops do their best to conceal their crimes, there are usually some cops that see this stuff happening. They don't report it for several reasons, but the most prominent is the knowledge that nothing will be done about it by those who have the ability and responsibility to do something.

Change the leadership, set higher but attainable standards and enforce them. Hold the supervisors and administrators accountable for the behavior of their subordinates all the way to the top. When cops commit crimes, prosecute not only them, but anyone who knew about it and did nothing.

Increase and improve training. Bad decisions by cops are often based on a lack of knowledge of the law and their own authority. Abuse of authority by cops is commonly based on a lack of ability to know how to de-escalate a situation and how to properly use physical force when de-escalation fails.

/rant over
 
2018-02-13 03:18:16 AM  
It's interesting to see pictures of those who mainly targetted black people ...

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... or rather, poor black people. It's a class and power thing, not a race thing.
 
2018-02-13 03:22:44 AM  

robodog: doglover: Murdering unarmed people? Totally legal.

Overtime fraud? Go directly to jail!

Yes, because one is a crime against money which is unforgivable to those in power, the other is cops doing what time in power wish then to do, keep minorities down.


If it's what's needed to get them off the streets.  They pay their taxes on their loot?  No?  Give them the Alphonse Capone treatment.
 
2018-02-13 04:07:55 AM  

CruiserTwelve: devildog123: Up standards to require a bachelors degree to join, and completely disband the paramilitary and "special" units. shiat has gone too far, and one major city's PD needs to be made an example of. Put the rest on notice of what can happen to you. Have State Police and the Feds patrol and run down crime in the city while the PD is rebuilt from scratch. Minimum 20 year sentence when caught for corruption, bodycams on everyone but undercover cops, immediate termination if the camera stops functioning for anything but verified mechanical issues confirmed by an outside lab, data to be stored on servers not accessible by the rank and file cops. I'm sure there are other things, but that feels like a good start.

Obviously strong measures need to be taken, but setting unattainable standards won't do anything but prevent people from becoming cops.

Generally when you see these corruption scandals in a police department, it reflects a failure of leadership at the highest levels. Even though these criminal cops do their best to conceal their crimes, there are usually some cops that see this stuff happening. They don't report it for several reasons, but the most prominent is the knowledge that nothing will be done about it by those who have the ability and responsibility to do something.

Change the leadership, set higher but attainable standards and enforce them. Hold the supervisors and administrators accountable for the behavior of their subordinates all the way to the top. When cops commit crimes, prosecute not only them, but anyone who knew about it and did nothing.

Increase and improve training. Bad decisions by cops are often based on a lack of knowledge of the law and their own authority. Abuse of authority by cops is commonly based on a lack of ability to know how to de-escalate a situation and how to properly use physical force when de-escalation fails.

/rant over


What is unobtainable about the standard?  Before you get to wander the streets of America with a gun enforcing laws, with the power to deprive someone of their freedom or life, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if you had a degree.  It seems like special, "anti-" whatever-the-fark units are rife with corruption.  Don't let people hang out in units with easy and unquestioned access to guns, drugs, and cash.  It seems to attract cops that act more like gang members and dealers than the actual gang members and dealers. Rotate guys through.  It seems like the more "expert" and "decorated" a specialized cop is, the more likely it is to hear how corrupt he is.

And I've been railing for years about the militarization of police.  The shiatty training comes because rather than learning investigative procedures and community interactions,  they're busy modding out their M-4s.  I think military service, especially combat arms, should be a disqualifier from police work.  Guys who learned how to patrol villages in Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't be bringing those "skills" to American streets.  And I say this as a former infantryman.

Maybe we really can't burn the BPD to the ground and start over, but it would be nice.
 
2018-02-13 04:09:14 AM  

magneticmushroom: I live Baltimore;  Subby's not wrong.


Fellow (former) Baltimoron.  Subby is definitely not wrong.
 
2018-02-13 04:13:14 AM  

OgreMagi: Boo_Guy: OgreMagi: Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.

Sounds like the mayor needs to be punted out the door as well.

And the city council.  Or we nuke Baltimore from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.


I vote nuke.  There's this sushi place just north of it that's got the best sushi I've ever had, but other than that, Bawlmr is a lost cause.  Get me my cowboy hat, because I'll ride that bomb all the way down.
 
2018-02-13 04:15:34 AM  

orbister: It's interesting to see pictures of those who mainly targetted black people ...

[i.imgur.com image 512x113]

... or rather, poor black people. It's a class and power thing, not a race thing.


I can't imagine Baltimore cops are very far from "poor", and five bucks says those black cops used to be a lot poorer.  Think about the kind of person who usually becomes a cop, then apply that to Baltimore, and look at this very situation for confirmation.

Burn it all down.
 
2018-02-13 04:33:39 AM  

Somacandra: I'm just surprised a police officer got convicted of anything. Others must have turned state's evidence or the union must be very weak there.


It's not that weak, they still killed Freddie Grey and got away with it. Yeh I forgot he broke his own neck while his hands were cuffed behind his back and they took him for a rough ride.
 
2018-02-13 04:37:23 AM  

Boo_Guy: OgreMagi: Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.

Sounds like the mayor needs to be punted out the door as well.


They did he ran for POTUS.
 
2018-02-13 04:42:52 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: OgreMagi: Boo_Guy: OgreMagi: Baltimore PD is so corrupt, the only way to fix it is to fire every single cop on the force and start from scratch.

Sounds like the mayor needs to be punted out the door as well.

And the city council.  Or we nuke Baltimore from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

I vote nuke.  There's this sushi place just north of it that's got the best sushi I've ever had, but other than that, Bawlmr is a lost cause.  Get me my cowboy hat, because I'll ride that bomb all the way down.


Can you spare the inner Harbor though it is a nice leisurely place to hang out.
 
2018-02-13 05:04:54 AM  

devildog123: What is unobtainable about the standard? Before you get to wander the streets of America with a gun enforcing laws, with the power to deprive someone of their freedom or life, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if you had a degree.


Here's a short story. A few of our recruiters went to a job fair targeting minority college graduates. They were ignored. Finally a black guy approached them and asked them how much a cop makes, and they told him. He responded that, as a black guy with a college degree, he could walk over to almost any other booth in that recruiting venue and get a job paying twice as much and not have to work weekends, holidays or nights. Requiring a college degree sounds like a great idea, but it only eliminates a lot of otherwise qualified people.

devildog123: Don't let people hang out in units with easy and unquestioned access to guns, drugs, and cash. It seems to attract cops that act more like gang members and dealers than the actual gang members and dealers. Rotate guys through.


I agree. Also supervise them closer in those assignments and hold them and their supervisors more accountable.

devildog123: And I've been railing for years about the militarization of police.


Me too, but most cops aren't militarized. Your average cop on the street doesn't have access to those kinds of weapons, but it's nice to be able to call on guys that do when necessary. Just don't abuse them.

devildog123: Guys who learned how to patrol villages in Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't be bringing those "skills" to American streets.


We're in full agreement there, but it's hard to disqualify someone due to military service. However, you're right about the necessity of changing the military mindset when a veteran becomes a cop. Most veterans can do it, some can't.
 
2018-02-13 05:39:19 AM  
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2018-02-13 06:16:59 AM  

WTFDYW: This is wonderful. I hope no innocent cops get capped because of this.


Odds are good one already has.  Unless thats the joke.
 
2018-02-13 06:35:01 AM  

WTFDYW: This is wonderful. I hope no innocent cops get capped because of this.


Won't be a problem.
 
2018-02-13 06:49:37 AM  
Indianapolis' department was just as bad when I lived there. I kind of assume it normal, given the guys I've known on police forces. Shaking down dealers for money and drugs and getting blow jobs from prostitutes and playing cards with biker gang members was typical.

The only cops I have seen not do that are ex military.

When a former federal marshal was elected Sheriff to replace Jack Cottey his campaign to get the department clean resulted in all of his patrol duties being taken away from him and being reduced to only running the jails and processing center with everything else being merged into the city police where the chief is appointed rather than elected.

You can try to clean up bad departments but the politicians like it just the way it is, where they can hire off duty cops as security for their less than legit operations and it's just business as usual. Reformers will be sidelined. Until voters make it their number one priority in local elections reform will not happen. And that means voting single issue for town council, county commissioners, mayors and governors.
 
2018-02-13 07:11:25 AM  
Protip: any "elite" police unit is a crime crew.
 
2018-02-13 07:18:26 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: I can't imagine Baltimore cops are very far from "poor", and five bucks says those black cops used to be a lot poorer. Think about the kind of person who usually becomes a cop, then apply that to Baltimore, and look at this very situation for confirmation.


A chap I knew at university - Jesuit priest and lawyer - said that a lot of police attitude makes sense when you realise that the police and criminals are recruited from essentially the same stratum of society. I think that makes a lot of sense. After all, it's the poor who are overwhelmingly the victims of criminals, and, being more-or-less powerless, they are overwhelmingly the victims of the police as well.
 
2018-02-13 07:20:34 AM  

Bslim: Protip: any "elite" police unit is a crime crew.


We've got 'em too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Mi​d​lands_Serious_Crime_Squad
 
2018-02-13 07:42:47 AM  

CruiserTwelve: devildog123: What is unobtainable about the standard? Before you get to wander the streets of America with a gun enforcing laws, with the power to deprive someone of their freedom or life, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if you had a degree.

Here's a short story. A few of our recruiters went to a job fair targeting minority college graduates. They were ignored. Finally a black guy approached them and asked them how much a cop makes, and they told him. He responded that, as a black guy with a college degree, he could walk over to almost any other booth in that recruiting venue and get a job paying twice as much and not have to work weekends, holidays or nights. Requiring a college degree sounds like a great idea, but it only eliminates a lot of otherwise qualified people.

devildog123: Don't let people hang out in units with easy and unquestioned access to guns, drugs, and cash. It seems to attract cops that act more like gang members and dealers than the actual gang members and dealers. Rotate guys through.

I agree. Also supervise them closer in those assignments and hold them and their supervisors more accountable.

devildog123: And I've been railing for years about the militarization of police.

Me too, but most cops aren't militarized. Your average cop on the street doesn't have access to those kinds of weapons, but it's nice to be able to call on guys that do when necessary. Just don't abuse them.

devildog123: Guys who learned how to patrol villages in Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't be bringing those "skills" to American streets.

We're in full agreement there, but it's hard to disqualify someone due to military service. However, you're right about the necessity of changing the military mindset when a veteran becomes a cop. Most veterans can do it, some can't.


My veteran buddy who retired after 14 years in the service is ALL about de-escalation. He considered being a cop and I think he would make a great officer - especially at a supervisory level. But from some of the stories he's told me, I'd agree...you see some "interesting" characters serving to put it mildly. But I wouldn't go as far as outright dismissing any veteran. Just vet them like any other recruit.
 
2018-02-13 07:45:04 AM  
Of course AG Sessions opposes the Consent Decree to reform BPD because enforcing the law on police is bad for citizens.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ba​l​timore-police/u-s-judge-approves-balti​mores-police-reform-agreement-idUSKBN1​792HW
 
2018-02-13 08:00:19 AM  
Cops are heroes.
 
2018-02-13 08:30:44 AM  
First responders.  They had to respond first in order to be able to steal.
 
2018-02-13 09:28:34 AM  

orbister: Bslim: Protip: any "elite" police unit is a crime crew.

We've got 'em too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Mid​lands_Serious_Crime_Squad


"Serious Crime Squad?"  Lived up to their name.
 
2018-02-13 09:55:12 AM  

CruiserTwelve: devildog123: Up standards to require a bachelors degree to join, and completely disband the paramilitary and "special" units. shiat has gone too far, and one major city's PD needs to be made an example of. Put the rest on notice of what can happen to you. Have State Police and the Feds patrol and run down crime in the city while the PD is rebuilt from scratch. Minimum 20 year sentence when caught for corruption, bodycams on everyone but undercover cops, immediate termination if the camera stops functioning for anything but verified mechanical issues confirmed by an outside lab, data to be stored on servers not accessible by the rank and file cops. I'm sure there are other things, but that feels like a good start.

Obviously strong measures need to be taken, but setting unattainable standards won't do anything but prevent people from becoming cops.

Generally when you see these corruption scandals in a police department, it reflects a failure of leadership at the highest levels. Even though these criminal cops do their best to conceal their crimes, there are usually some cops that see this stuff happening. They don't report it for several reasons, but the most prominent is the knowledge that nothing will be done about it by those who have the ability and responsibility to do something.

Change the leadership, set higher but attainable standards and enforce them. Hold the supervisors and administrators accountable for the behavior of their subordinates all the way to the top. When cops commit crimes, prosecute not only them, but anyone who knew about it and did nothing.

Increase and improve training. Bad decisions by cops are often based on a lack of knowledge of the law and their own authority. Abuse of authority by cops is commonly based on a lack of ability to know how to de-escalate a situation and how to properly use physical force when de-escalation fails.

/rant over


If there was only one city like this you could maybe get away with it. LA Oakland Seattle Baltimore...Ferguson... etc etc 

Its a pattern. 

Policing in the US is completely unhinged.... 

In the link below an ex soldier used his military training to de escalate a situation... and was fired for it 

Think about that...

people who are trained to kill as a primary mission are more compassionate than people who are trained to protect society...

The entire policing system needs burnt to the ground and rebuilt. No current cop is eligible to work as a cop

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-la​w​-reform/reforming-police-practices/pol​ice-officer-wins-settlement-city-fired​-him
 
2018-02-13 10:22:03 AM  

orbister: It's interesting to see pictures of those who mainly targetted black people ...

[i.imgur.com image 512x113]

... or rather, poor black people. It's a class and power thing, not a race thing.


Well, to be even more specific, they mainly targeted drug dealers.  Of course, this is mainly because drug dealers rarely complain that the cops robbed them, more than any class or race based reason.
 
2018-02-13 10:33:36 AM  
The problems, she said, are limited to "a few members of our police department."

See! It's just a few bad apples giving all cops a bad name.
 
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