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2018-02-12 10:30:17 PM  
Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.
 
2018-02-12 10:33:30 PM  

davidphogan: Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.


And only hitting him three times!

Also this Brown fellow sounds way too trigger-happy to be a cop, imo.
 
2018-02-12 11:11:44 PM  
They foiled the suicide attempt and killed the suspect. Case closed.
 
2018-02-12 11:20:57 PM  
Take someone who can't get a job anywhere else, give them six months training, a badge and a gun, tell them they can shoot the fark out of anyone with impunity (colourds are +10 points) and you might see a little of this.
 
2018-02-12 11:43:51 PM  
When you call Trooper Shooty McBrown to the scene, what do you expect?
 
2018-02-13 12:15:47 AM  

fusillade762: davidphogan: Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.

And only hitting him three times!

Also this Brown fellow sounds way too trigger-happy to be a cop, imo.


It's getting harder and harder to retire after just 20 years, but if you shoot a guy in the line of duty there's a fair chance of getting disability. Apparently it's also a way out of all that shooting target practice that you never really liked.
 
2018-02-13 01:13:40 AM  
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It's a good thing Bart was sent to Rockridge, not Williston.
 
2018-02-13 02:13:39 AM  
"When Gregware's car was spotted, Brown and Richmond Cpl. Richard Greenough stopped the vehicle. Gregware got out of his car and walked toward the officers, ignoring repeated demands that he drop the weapon, a machine pistol commonly known as a Mac-10."


So what should the cops have done?
 
2018-02-13 02:18:00 AM  

CruiserTwelve: "When Gregware's car was spotted, Brown and Richmond Cpl. Richard Greenough stopped the vehicle. Gregware got out of his car and walked toward the officers, ignoring repeated demands that he drop the weapon, a machine pistol commonly known as a Mac-10."


So what should the cops have done?


PEW PEW PEW of course.
 
2018-02-13 02:23:11 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: PEW PEW PEW of course.


That was a serious question. Given the circumstances - a guy with a Mac-10 pointed at his head and walking toward you next to a busy highway, refusing to follow your commands - do you believe that this should put enough reasonable belief in a cop's mind that this guy is a deadly threat to themselves or others as to justify shooting him?

So what do you believe the cops should have done?
 
2018-02-13 03:07:12 AM  
Maybe not be so close to the mentally ill man to start with?
 
2018-02-13 03:21:57 AM  
Mission Accomplished
 
2018-02-13 03:22:41 AM  

davidphogan: Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.


Well, at least killing suicidal people can, with a hefty dose of sophistry, fall under the "Serve" part of the police mission statement.
 
2018-02-13 03:30:42 AM  

fusillade762: davidphogan: Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.

And only hitting him three times!

Also this Brown fellow sounds way too trigger-happy to be a cop, imo.


And in suicidal circles, he is the tooth fairy.
 
2018-02-13 03:33:34 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Farking Clown Shoes: PEW PEW PEW of course.

That was a serious question. Given the circumstances - a guy with a Mac-10 pointed at his head and walking toward you next to a busy highway, refusing to follow your commands - do you believe that this should put enough reasonable belief in a cop's mind that this guy is a deadly threat to themselves or others as to justify shooting him?

So what do you believe the cops should have done?


I strongly advocate that police who kill unarmed citizens should be executed publicly, but when a guy has a Mac-10?  I'll allow it.

He was mentally ill? Yeah, no kiddin'.  That's what the Stoics called a Sucks Donut
 
2018-02-13 03:35:02 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Farking Clown Shoes: PEW PEW PEW of course.

That was a serious question. Given the circumstances - a guy with a Mac-10 pointed at his head and walking toward you next to a busy highway, refusing to follow your commands - do you believe that this should put enough reasonable belief in a cop's mind that this guy is a deadly threat to themselves or others as to justify shooting him?


I'm pretty confused as to someone being DTS the proper LEO resolution being to kill them to prevent further deadly threat to themselves. Grant you, it's one of those sorts of resolutions to an issue that in engineering we call a "trivial solution". He can't, of course, continue to be be a threat to himself if he's dead. Having been killed, he can definitely no longer kill himself. Is this what you're proposing as a practical solution?

I'm all about trivial solutions - they are often the only definite resolution to something despite people's disdain for me bringing them up. For example, if there ARE no residents in the Middle East, then all the Middle Eastern issues are resolved. So killing everyone indiscriminately with a biological is a fine, efficient answer to future war in the ME, fits all the war game constraints and goals and ends the issue with minimal involvement or loss. Didn't go over as a solution.

I'm not sure the "If they're threatening to kill themselves, they won't be able to if we bravely kill them first" trivial solution is a valid answer either. It sure solves the end goal of the guy not committing suicide. But it's one of those things I don't think you can sell as a useful answer.
 
2018-02-13 03:38:38 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Farking Clown Shoes: PEW PEW PEW of course.

That was a serious question. Given the circumstances - a guy with a Mac-10 pointed at his head and walking toward you next to a busy highway, refusing to follow your commands - do you believe that this should put enough reasonable belief in a cop's mind that this guy is a deadly threat to themselves or others as to justify shooting him?

So what do you believe the cops should have done?


Three cops..none has a taser?

Try that first at least.
 
2018-02-13 03:42:07 AM  

Mark Ratner: They foiled the suicide attempt and killed the suspect. Case closed.


Really, if they are going to shoot someone multiple times, you'd rather they shoot someone who's suicidal than someone who isn't, right?

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2018-02-13 03:42:25 AM  

Langdon_777: Maybe not be so close to the mentally ill man to start with?


police either don't know and/or don't care if a citizen is mentally ill. psychiatrists advise clients to keep this in mind. which is weird logic if you're the mentally ill one.
 
2018-02-13 03:47:16 AM  
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2018-02-13 03:49:53 AM  

Mugato: Take someone who can't get a job anywhere else, give them six months training, a badge and a gun, tell them they can shoot the fark out of anyone with impunity (colourds are +10 points) and you might see a little of this.


Trooper Brown

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2018-02-13 03:57:19 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Three cops..none has a taser?

Try that first at least.


Against a nut with a submachine gun?
 
2018-02-13 04:04:58 AM  

CruiserTwelve: "When Gregware's car was spotted, Brown and Richmond Cpl. Richard Greenough stopped the vehicle. Gregware got out of his car and walked toward the officers, ignoring repeated demands that he drop the weapon, a machine pistol commonly known as a Mac-10."


So what should the cops have done?


Trying to talk to the guy calmly? I bet that the only communication was DROP THE GUN DROP THE GUN DROP THE GUN BLAM BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM  BLAM

Considering he wasn't aiming at them or others, how about a taser? How about a single shot to disarm instead of 12?

Oh right, US cops aren't German cops. They don't do single shots to disarm/disable.
 
2018-02-13 04:19:47 AM  
My own local PD is doing "welfare checks" on a case by case basis.  Because, technically, it's not illegal to kill oneself and they just tend to put officers at risk.  This is a new policy after the cops killed a few people over the Christmas holidays.
 
2018-02-13 04:45:47 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 288x215]
It's a good thing Bart was sent to Rockridge, not Williston.


"Isn't anyone going to help that man?"
 
2018-02-13 04:45:59 AM  

erewhon: I'm pretty confused as to someone being DTS the proper LEO resolution being to kill them to prevent further deadly threat to themselves. Grant you, it's one of those sorts of resolutions to an issue that in engineering we call a "trivial solution". He can't, of course, continue to be be a threat to himself if he's dead. Having been killed, he can definitely no longer kill himself. Is this what you're proposing as a practical solution?


The cops are authorized to use lethal force to eliminate a threat to themselves or to others. Do you think this guy, being armed with a firearm, walking toward them and refusing to comply with commands, is enough of a threat to allow the cops to use lethal force? That's the question.

How long do you think it would take for that guy to change his target from himself to the cops? What do you think this guy's intentions were? If he intended to kill only himself, why was he approaching the officers?
 
2018-02-13 04:51:31 AM  
Pop quiz, hotshot.

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Just because he's his own hostage doesn't change the answer!
 
2018-02-13 04:52:14 AM  

lucksi: Trying to talk to the guy calmly?


A guys approaching you with a gun and you think the solution is to talk to him calmly? Do you think this guy is thinking rationally enough to react to calm reasoning? Do you think the cops have enough time to even try to reason with him?
 
2018-02-13 04:53:17 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: CruiserTwelve: Farking Clown Shoes: PEW PEW PEW of course.

That was a serious question. Given the circumstances - a guy with a Mac-10 pointed at his head and walking toward you next to a busy highway, refusing to follow your commands - do you believe that this should put enough reasonable belief in a cop's mind that this guy is a deadly threat to themselves or others as to justify shooting him?

So what do you believe the cops should have done?

Three cops..none has a taser?

Try that first at least.


You don't bring a taser to a MAC-10 fight.
 
2018-02-13 04:58:04 AM  

CruiserTwelve: lucksi: Trying to talk to the guy calmly?

A guys approaching you with a gun and you think the solution is to talk to him calmly? Do you think this guy is thinking rationally enough to react to calm reasoning? Do you think the cops have enough time to even try to reason with him?


He was also drunk. The linked article doesn't mention it but the local news does. i don't think his actions were being driven by logic.
 
2018-02-13 04:59:54 AM  

frostus: Mugato: Take someone who can't get a job anywhere else, give them six months training, a badge and a gun, tell them they can shoot the fark out of anyone with impunity (colourds are +10 points) and you might see a little of this.

Trooper Brown

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Chris Brown. Didn't he also beat the fark out of Rhianna?
 
2018-02-13 05:01:19 AM  

CruiserTwelve: lucksi: Trying to talk to the guy calmly?

A guys approaching you with a gun and you think the solution is to talk to him calmly? Do you think this guy is thinking rationally enough to react to calm reasoning? Do you think the cops have enough time to even try to reason with him?


He wasn't aiming at them or others. So his approaching or not is irrelevant. I know the training of cops is next to non existing, but I think cops can walk backwards as well. At least German cops can when a potential (or real) threat is approaching. They can walk backwards and fire a single round disabling someone. It's magic.

Also, unless you have bodycam video, it's only the cops word, which is worth fark all, of how they and the guy behaved. Because I have seen cops execute a man "holding a gun", meaning he had his hands as far in the air as he could, wasn't aiming at anyone and they shot him. Actually, I have seen hundreds of instances of what would land a cop in jail in my country. And all farking justified in this shiathole of yours
 
2018-02-13 05:15:34 AM  

lucksi: Also, unless you have bodycam video, it's only the cops word, which is worth fark all, of how they and the guy behaved.


This is why it's pointless to try to reason with you. Any logical attempt is dismissed as "well, the cops probably lied about it anyhow."

lucksi: At least German cops can when a potential (or real) threat is approaching. They can walk backwards and fire a single round disabling someone. It's magic.


Can you provide an example of this? I seriously doubt German cops are trained to shoot to disarm a lethal threat.
 
2018-02-13 05:24:52 AM  
CruiserTwelve:
How long do you think it would take for that guy to change his target from himself to the cops? What do you think this guy's intentions were? If he intended to kill only himself, why was he approaching the officers?

He was trying to get them to shoot him. And the one with the happy trigger finger obliged, hitting him 3 times in 12 shots.
 
2018-02-13 05:30:25 AM  
CruiserTwelve:

The cops are authorized to use lethal force to eliminate a threat to themselves or to others.

So, pretty much just go ahead and kill any suicidal person, right? Why even bother with commands? Obviously, he could just shoot while you're commanding. See a gun, obliterate the holder, ask questions later. Solves all the problems.

Except, psych workers somehow deal with occasionally armed irrational people and aren't allowed to hurt them. I don't hear a lot of them coming up dead.

A guys approaching you with a gun and you think the solution is to talk to him calmly? Do you think this guy is thinking rationally enough to react to calm reasoning?

I wonder this about LEOs a lot, tbh.
 
2018-02-13 05:32:11 AM  
I learned a fun fact today

The word "thwart" is a borrowing from Old Norse and is related to Anglo-Saxon "queer"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/queer#​E​nglish
 
2018-02-13 05:32:17 AM  
wademh:
He was trying to get them to shoot him. And the one with the happy trigger finger obliged, hitting him 3 times in 12 shots.

Hey, 25% at pbr is a great score for most street cops. It's a bonus if the 9 shots he lofted into the background didn't kill anyone, but if they did, it's not the cop's fault, by law.
 
2018-02-13 05:45:30 AM  

cman: I learned a fun fact today

The word "thwart" is a borrowing from Old Norse and is related to Anglo-Saxon "queer"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/queer#E​nglish


Try saying "thwart" many times in a row quickly. It'll blow your mind.
 
2018-02-13 06:49:26 AM  

fusillade762: davidphogan: Well, yeah, only cops can get away with shooting at a suicidal man 12 times.

And only hitting him three times!

Also this Brown fellow sounds way too trigger-happy to be a cop, imo.


Too trigger-happy to be a cop? If he was an ice cream man, there'd be a big fuss every time he executed someone for being suicidal or brown-skinned.
 
2018-02-13 06:58:37 AM  
Another summary execution of an American citizen by the police.
 
2018-02-13 07:32:19 AM  
"It was the third fatal shooting involving Brown in the last six months..."

Jesus Barney, put it back in your pocket.
 
2018-02-13 07:37:30 AM  

drxym: The more you eat the more you fart: Three cops..none has a taser?

Try that first at least.

Against a nut with a submachine gun?


If by "submachine gun" you mean a "semi-automatic pistol"
 
2018-02-13 07:38:55 AM  
Truth be told, if I wanted to die then suicide by cop would be the easiest way to go about it.

My brain isn't ready for an exit right now. Grand plans emerge from here which make Elon Musk look like one of the kids from Home Improvement.

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2018-02-13 07:46:05 AM  

Voiceofreason01: drxym: The more you eat the more you fart: Three cops..none has a taser?

Try that first at least.

Against a nut with a submachine gun?

If by "submachine gun" you mean a "semi-automatic pistol"


A MAC-10 is not a semi-automatic, it's a machine pistol.  It's also not a submachine gun.
 
2018-02-13 07:52:46 AM  
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2018-02-13 08:00:48 AM  

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Stafford County! That ain't too far from home. I make sure to drive the speed limit there.
 
2018-02-13 08:01:28 AM  

CruiserTwelve: lucksi: Also, unless you have bodycam video, it's only the cops word, which is worth fark all, of how they and the guy behaved.

This is why it's pointless to try to reason with you. Any logical attempt is dismissed as "well, the cops probably lied about it anyhow."


Yeah, because it is totally unreasonable to assume that considering it only happens 98% of the time. I mean, there are countless stories on here when a cop stopped another out of control cop or at least arrested another cop instead of helping to cover it up, right?

lucksi: At least German cops can when a potential (or real) threat is approaching. They can walk backwards and fire a single round disabling someone. It's magic.

Can you provide an example of this? I seriously doubt German cops are trained to shoot to disarm a lethal threat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k21se​4​UOC-A

^you'll see the following, the cops all don't form a firing circle, they don't all have their weapons pointed at the guy, they yell at the civilians to clear out/change the side of the street they are on, tells the guy several times to drop the knife and the cop fires one round while sprinting backward, disabling the guy (which you can't see, but you hear the shot and the moans of the wounded man). Threat disabled, everybody lives. Only one cop fired a single round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlcqu​E​bJCec
^ another guy with knife. Cop tell him to drop it, the other cops don't form a firing circle, no one shouts conflicting information, one shot through the leg and for some reason that is enough for the guy to rethink his actions and the cop to reasses the situation. Again, a single cop firing a single round. Everybody lives. In the US the cop could legally fire until he is empty. Actually, all 7 cops could legally fire in the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbGSu​8​dYsic
^ cops have already retreated from inside the house they were in because they were attacked by the guy with a knife and pepper spray (they hit him with pepperspray too and went outside). Wanted to negotiate with him a bit. Guy comes outside with a sword. One and only one cop fires several warning shots and then shoots him in the leg (which the guy shrugs off at first) Cops retreat further until pain hits home and man collapses. Everybody lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpUaS​s​667a8
^mentally ill man who had already stabbed his three roommates and called the cops himself to come and get him. Cops retreat, shoot him in the leg, end of story. Everybody lives

And in the very seldom case when a cop actually kills someone, then the homicide division from another city will investigate. Actually, every use of a gun by a cop will be investigated, but in case they actually kill someone then they start with a murder investigation and see if that can be upheld.

Meanwhile in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaOyE​m​DYa6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwyto​x​Muk4U
and so on and so forth thousands of times a year

No retreating and always shoot multiple times. Heck, shoot the guy when he is down already. Make sure he is dead. Shout some conflicting things while you are at it. Or shoot them while he is obeying to the letter. Always justified. I mean fark it, you people can legally shoot a bedridden grandma because she held a fruit knife. Or fire several HUNDRED shots and call that justified. And cuff the dying man instead of rendering aid. Or waiting 10 minutes to call an ambulance.
 
2018-02-13 08:06:59 AM  

CruiserTwelve: How long do you think it would take for that guy to change his target from himself to the cops?


More time than it would take the adrenaline pumped cop with the gun pointed at him to pull the trigger.
 
2018-02-13 08:15:42 AM  
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2018-02-13 08:16:56 AM  

Voiceofreason01: If by "submachine gun" you mean a "semi-automatic pistol"


And by "semi-automatic pistol" you mean something that resembles a "submachine gun".  Cops aren't going to split hairs or play semantics.

It's a nut with a submachine gun. If said nut doesn't obey the cop's commands precisely then the chances fo things not going well for him are only going to increase.
 
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