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(Fox News)   Here's a good idea: let's replace the driver's license with an app because everyone wants to hand over their unlocked phone to a police officer   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2018-02-09 02:21:23 PM  
40 votes:
Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.
2018-02-09 02:15:34 PM  
36 votes:
What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?
2018-02-09 02:38:43 PM  
22 votes:
That's one way to prevent people from filming the police.
2018-02-09 02:28:42 PM  
21 votes:

Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?


What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.
2018-02-09 02:32:33 PM  
13 votes:
Yeah, fark that up the ass sideways.
2018-02-09 02:37:40 PM  
12 votes:
Heh, this is the "force everyone to buy a second smartphone act".  Cell carriers will love it.
2018-02-09 02:48:44 PM  
11 votes:
Driver License: weighs 5 grams, is a convenient size to fit in my wallet, functions as a de facto ID, works without power

Smartphone: way overweight, huge size that won't fit in a wallet, no one will ever accept it as an ID, has to be plugged in to work
2018-02-09 02:47:33 PM  
11 votes:
That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.
2018-02-09 02:40:28 PM  
11 votes:

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Wrong question.  Doesn't matter who thinks them up.  What matters is why they think them up.
2018-02-09 02:36:57 PM  
9 votes:
Same concern for digital insurance cards, no thanks.
2018-02-09 03:11:13 PM  
8 votes:
This is dumb. I sold cellphones. I know the stupid stuff people do with their phones. Main problems here:
Phone runs out of power, you no longer have your license.
People who simply won't or can't use a cellphone would require the old physical card to be around anyway.
There are approximately 0 cellphones manufactured in the USA annually. We would be, defacto, turning over our national ID system to foreign agents. The military wouldn't even allow it's email to run on Blackberries for awhile because they were foreign servers.
You'd be adding a level of vulnerability to the national ID system just for convenience. Same reason we don't really vote online.
I'm sure there are other reasons too.
Dumb idea.
2018-02-09 02:53:48 PM  
8 votes:
"Everyone wants it right now "

No, we don't.
2018-02-09 02:52:16 PM  
7 votes:
I have my driver license number memorized and one time when I got pulled over without it, the officer was able to pull it up by that alone and see I wasn't suspended or anything nefarious. He gave me a warning for my tail light being out and sent me on my way.

Then again, I'm white soooo YMMV
2018-02-09 02:41:00 PM  
7 votes:

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.
2018-02-09 02:38:07 PM  
7 votes:
God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?
2018-02-09 02:36:43 PM  
7 votes:

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


Patriotic Citizens will be compelled to carry their smart phone tracking devices with them at all times.

/which will be enough for me to dump mine
2018-02-09 02:49:41 PM  
6 votes:

Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.


Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/143639​6​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.
2018-02-09 02:42:05 PM  
6 votes:
With the E-DUI law we've just passed, I'm just waiting for our state to come up with a Drivers License App, so the cop can get you for an E-DUI for touching your phone in a vehicle when you hand it over.
2018-02-09 03:07:42 PM  
5 votes:

RoomFullOfMonkeys: That's one way to prevent people from filming the police.


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They'll do just about anything to turn the clock back to before the average citizen carried around a broadcast device that allows them to catch police overstepping their bounds.
It was a lot easier to dismiss minorities' complaints about their treatment by police, when there wasn't so much video evidence of it.
2018-02-09 03:05:44 PM  
5 votes:
Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.
2018-02-09 03:00:35 PM  
5 votes:
Existing is not the problem...replacing is.  I'm sure the person who wrote the report was just overreacting with the whole "it will replace cards!!" crap, but the implications of replacing physical cards are just stupid:

To drive a car you MUST legally own a smartphone.
You smartphone MUST legally be charged at all times.
If you get an an accident, better hope your phone isn't damaged

...it goes on.  Add it as an option? Sure Replace?  Get real.
2018-02-09 02:54:18 PM  
5 votes:
Not gonna give fox news a click.  That said Horrible idea.
2018-02-09 02:47:54 PM  
5 votes:

Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.


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2018-02-09 02:37:16 PM  
5 votes:

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


They don't have to.  Most people eagerly carry around a locator beacon already.
2018-02-09 02:33:04 PM  
5 votes:
Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.
2018-02-09 03:18:29 PM  
3 votes:
The requirement to even carry a license of any kind is outdated. Police computers can look up whatever they need to know.
2018-02-09 03:01:44 PM  
3 votes:

uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.
2018-02-09 02:50:57 PM  
3 votes:
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2018-02-09 02:44:04 PM  
3 votes:
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I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.
2018-02-09 02:40:46 PM  
3 votes:

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Bored people at Fox News, apparently.
2018-02-09 03:36:12 PM  
2 votes:
Good luck, I have a Windows Phone
2018-02-09 03:34:49 PM  
2 votes:

fuzzybacchus: aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.

We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")


If they get a hit on an automated plate reader they can make a stop. Waiting for something is more CYA than anything else. Legally they can stop you for almost anything. You can have 6 warrants and a suspended license and nothing compels them to arrest or detain you. They can let you go, especially if they don't feel like doing a lot of paperwork.

And that's the sad state of the police in the US. They have no duty whatsoever to do anything. They don't have to help you, don't have to render aid, don't have to arrest anyone and cannot be held liable for any action or inaction.
2018-02-09 03:32:29 PM  
2 votes:

uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


Considering the track record with other Russian software(see Kaspersky), the "we don't track your searches" claim should be taken with a pile of salt.
2018-02-09 03:28:22 PM  
2 votes:
I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.
2018-02-09 03:02:34 PM  
2 votes:

aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.


We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")
2018-02-09 02:59:34 PM  
2 votes:
My CSB:

I got in an accident and the guy that hit me from behind (on his cell, no doubt) pulls out his smartphone to show me his insurance card image. I stepped to my car (with his smart phone in my hand) to copy the information and my thumb slips and the next thing I see is a metric ass-load of dick pictures! I damn near dropped the phone.

end of CSB.

/// Store your dick pictures AWAY from insurance forms
2018-02-09 02:53:52 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


Already happening to a certain degree. A company in Wisconsin has started chipping their employees on a voluntary basis.
2018-02-09 02:51:06 PM  
2 votes:
I memorized my DL number years ago.  I simply read the license number off to the officer while I retrieve my insurance card.
2018-02-09 02:45:55 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


I was thinking barcode tattoos. Just so there's no forgetting how much freedom you have.
2018-02-09 02:42:50 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure there will be an ID-while-locked app (like the emergency dialer) within days if its release, if not part of the initial design.
2018-02-09 07:02:54 PM  
1 vote:

idrow: I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)

If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.


If you're a passenger, you are not in any way required to carry any form of identification at all.

I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk.  I recommend everyone do the same.
2018-02-09 05:21:35 PM  
1 vote:

RecoveringLibertarian: uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

[img.fark.net image 676x480]

[img.fark.net image 850x448]

If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.

Considering the track record with other Russian software(see Kaspersky), the "we don't track your searches" claim should be taken with a pile of salt.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
2018-02-09 03:59:09 PM  
1 vote:

seadoo2006: Let me guess, then. You don't use your credit/debit cards, which log every purchase you make with the retailer, location, amount, and frequency of sale appended?


I do, but mainly for things like gas or groceries.  For anything the least bit controversial, I try to use cash when possible.

 You don't use a cell phone which tracks your location regardless of the "location services" option?

I don't have, and won't have, a cell phone.


You don't use an Android device, who's email accounts are utilized for ads and other tracking metrics?

No, I don't use an Android device.

You don't drive a car made in the last 10 years, which all have blackbox recorders and most that actively track your location?

My car is slightly less than 10 years old and doesn't have an EDR.  It certainly doesn't have any method to track my location.

I'm not *THAT* concerned about the EDR, though, because all it does is record something like 30 seconds worth of data.  The only way that would hurt me is if I were in a crash and I claimed I was only going 30 MPH when the EDR data says I was doing 70 or something.  That's the kind of stuff I generally don't care about.


 You don't use a store discount card to take advantages of sales?

Absolutely not.
2018-02-09 03:52:10 PM  
1 vote:

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.


I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.
2018-02-09 03:38:35 PM  
1 vote:

mrsleep: scottydoesntknow: LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.

How can anyone at Fox News be bored when Hillary is using the deep state to email uranium to Benghazi with the help of the FBI?

I don't think Fox News is in the business of creating ID apps.


No, but they're in the business of convincing voters to support the government when it complicates things to increase corporate profits.
2018-02-09 03:38:15 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, how many ways could this turn into a cluster...
2018-02-09 03:27:24 PM  
1 vote:

martissimo: You sound like somebody who doesn't even deserve a license, how the fark often do you get pulled over?


Thanks for the judgement.  I've been driving wince 1986 and have been in the service business.  I drove poorly a lot when I was younger and wasn't the smartest.  I grew up, but rarely forget a number.  Don't let that stop the smug though.
2018-02-09 03:15:39 PM  
1 vote:

70Ford: Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.


That girl has excellent business acumen.

/I'd say "she's a better businessperson than Donald Trump," but that's too easy of a hurdle to clear, like "she's smarter than Trump" or "her hands are bigger than Trump's"
2018-02-09 03:00:06 PM  
1 vote:

AltheaToldMe: I memorized my DL number years ago.  I simply read the license number off to the officer while I retrieve my insurance card.


You sound like somebody who doesn't even deserve a license, how the fark often do you get pulled over?

I mean seriously, I've got one ticket in the 32 years or so
2018-02-09 02:59:30 PM  
1 vote:

dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.

Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/1436396​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.


I'd guess, that through out history, more people have been killed by their own government than by invaders.
2018-02-09 02:54:55 PM  
1 vote:

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Finland
https://newatlas.com/trafi-hiq-great-​a​pes-digital-driving-license/53257/
2018-02-09 02:54:41 PM  
1 vote:
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for fark's sake, cut to the chase and tag us, already
2018-02-09 02:49:54 PM  
1 vote:
I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.
2018-02-09 02:45:22 PM  
1 vote:
Jokes on them. I have an iPhone 6... and the battery's already dead.
2018-02-09 02:44:49 PM  
1 vote:
Jokes on them. I have a Samsung Galaxy.

Go ahead Mr. Officer... hold it in your hand. That warm sensation is how you know the phone is working *BOOM!*
 
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