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2018-02-09 03:00:13 PM  

aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.


Heh.  Three years ago around christmas time, I went across traffic and got t-boned.  Totally my fault.  Cop showed up, and I was kind of sweating it since I couldn't find my current insurance card, and I was kind of frazzled and wasn't sure about the registration.  I told him that.  He looked at me like I was an idiot and said," I already know you have insurance and your reg is current."

/had no idea
 
2018-02-09 03:00:35 PM  
Existing is not the problem...replacing is.  I'm sure the person who wrote the report was just overreacting with the whole "it will replace cards!!" crap, but the implications of replacing physical cards are just stupid:

To drive a car you MUST legally own a smartphone.
You smartphone MUST legally be charged at all times.
If you get an an accident, better hope your phone isn't damaged

...it goes on.  Add it as an option? Sure Replace?  Get real.
 
2018-02-09 03:01:44 PM  

uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.
 
2018-02-09 03:02:34 PM  

aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.


We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")
 
2018-02-09 03:03:20 PM  
The important thing here is that the son/daughter/ other relatives of a politician or WAPO reporter received a $2 million grant.
 
2018-02-09 03:05:44 PM  
Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.
 
2018-02-09 03:06:23 PM  

uber humper: dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.

Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/1436396​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.

I'd guess, that through out history, more people have been killed by their own government than by invaders.


Sounds about right:

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MUR​D​ER.HTM
 
2018-02-09 03:07:42 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: That's one way to prevent people from filming the police.


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They'll do just about anything to turn the clock back to before the average citizen carried around a broadcast device that allows them to catch police overstepping their bounds.
It was a lot easier to dismiss minorities' complaints about their treatment by police, when there wasn't so much video evidence of it.
 
2018-02-09 03:11:13 PM  
This is dumb. I sold cellphones. I know the stupid stuff people do with their phones. Main problems here:
Phone runs out of power, you no longer have your license.
People who simply won't or can't use a cellphone would require the old physical card to be around anyway.
There are approximately 0 cellphones manufactured in the USA annually. We would be, defacto, turning over our national ID system to foreign agents. The military wouldn't even allow it's email to run on Blackberries for awhile because they were foreign servers.
You'd be adding a level of vulnerability to the national ID system just for convenience. Same reason we don't really vote online.
I'm sure there are other reasons too.
Dumb idea.
 
2018-02-09 03:15:39 PM  

70Ford: Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.


That girl has excellent business acumen.

/I'd say "she's a better businessperson than Donald Trump," but that's too easy of a hurdle to clear, like "she's smarter than Trump" or "her hands are bigger than Trump's"
 
2018-02-09 03:17:10 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.


They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.
 
2018-02-09 03:18:29 PM  
The requirement to even carry a license of any kind is outdated. Police computers can look up whatever they need to know.
 
2018-02-09 03:21:05 PM  

uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


Maybe, but parallel construction has proven remarkably effective in keeping the real source of information from the courts. I just like the blind trust people put in a website just because it claims not to track you.
 
2018-02-09 03:24:36 PM  
Big pig peaches --

The requirement to even carry a license of any kind is outdated. Police computers can look up whatever they need to know.
Can't happen - they need black people to reach for something before filling them full of lead - get your mind right, boy!
 
2018-02-09 03:26:08 PM  
Cool. And of course, tax dollars will pay for the phone, for those of us who HATE THE G*DDAMNED things, right?

And that won't encourage people to illegally and recklessly use the damn things while driving, oh, no.....
 
2018-02-09 03:26:33 PM  

Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.


I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.
 
2018-02-09 03:27:24 PM  

martissimo: You sound like somebody who doesn't even deserve a license, how the fark often do you get pulled over?


Thanks for the judgement.  I've been driving wince 1986 and have been in the service business.  I drove poorly a lot when I was younger and wasn't the smartest.  I grew up, but rarely forget a number.  Don't let that stop the smug though.
 
2018-02-09 03:27:27 PM  

uber humper: FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


If that's true then we KNOW they're tracking you.
 
2018-02-09 03:28:22 PM  
I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.
 
2018-02-09 03:32:29 PM  

uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

[img.fark.net image 676x480]

[img.fark.net image 850x448]

If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


Considering the track record with other Russian software(see Kaspersky), the "we don't track your searches" claim should be taken with a pile of salt.
 
2018-02-09 03:34:49 PM  

fuzzybacchus: aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.

We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")


If they get a hit on an automated plate reader they can make a stop. Waiting for something is more CYA than anything else. Legally they can stop you for almost anything. You can have 6 warrants and a suspended license and nothing compels them to arrest or detain you. They can let you go, especially if they don't feel like doing a lot of paperwork.

And that's the sad state of the police in the US. They have no duty whatsoever to do anything. They don't have to help you, don't have to render aid, don't have to arrest anyone and cannot be held liable for any action or inaction.
 
2018-02-09 03:36:12 PM  
Good luck, I have a Windows Phone
 
2018-02-09 03:38:15 PM  
Oh, how many ways could this turn into a cluster...
 
2018-02-09 03:38:35 PM  

mrsleep: scottydoesntknow: LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.

How can anyone at Fox News be bored when Hillary is using the deep state to email uranium to Benghazi with the help of the FBI?

I don't think Fox News is in the business of creating ID apps.


No, but they're in the business of convincing voters to support the government when it complicates things to increase corporate profits.
 
2018-02-09 03:39:09 PM  

Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.


Let me guess, then. You don't use your credit/debit cards, which log every purchase you make with the retailer, location, amount, and frequency of sale appended? You don't use a cell phone which tracks your location regardless of the "location services" option? You don't use an Android device, who's email accounts are utilized for ads and other tracking metrics? You don't drive a car made in the last 10 years, which all have blackbox recorders and most that actively track your location? You don't use a store discount card to take advantages of sales? 

You simply use straight cash from an off-shore bank account that isn't logged for transaction histories?

Man, you're right. Your life must suck if you're wearing that tin foil hat you bought for cash in the park last year. The rest of us? Meh, give me convenience and if a company can glean off some information to send me direct mailing, fine. I'll take the 50c off of gas each week from Giant Eagle over the headache you want everyone to deal with otherwise. 

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2018-02-09 03:39:25 PM  

Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.


Because people never lose their wallets?
 
2018-02-09 03:41:22 PM  

mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.


Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.
 
2018-02-09 03:42:11 PM  

jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.


This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.
 
2018-02-09 03:42:29 PM  
That's why you'll have a license phone, and then your real phone.
 
2018-02-09 03:44:09 PM  

buzzcut73: jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.

This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.


You guys know that the police don't actually take the phone from you, right? They simply want to see that the named insured matches your license and that the date is valid. Try using the app sometime and seeing how the police utilize it. 

Hint: They don't ever take the phone from your possession and almost every cop I've dealt with has asked me to zoom it in so they can read it if it's too small to be readily visible from the steering wheel.
 
2018-02-09 03:44:37 PM  
In most states it's "Driver License" not "Driver's License".  Look at the picture in TFA closely.  There is no 's.
 
2018-02-09 03:46:43 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: In most states it's "Driver License" not "Driver's License".  Look at the picture in TFA closely.  There is no 's.


We're talking about the Boobieser in the thread.
 
2018-02-09 03:51:47 PM  

buzzcut73: jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.

This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.


I was once pulled over with an expired insurance card.  The officer was able to use it to check and see that my coverage was current, and didn't give me any hassle about it.  That was in Missouri, I don't know how it is in other states.
 
2018-02-09 03:52:10 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.


I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.
 
2018-02-09 03:56:53 PM  

JNowe: was once pulled over with an expired insurance card.  The officer was able to use it to check and see that my coverage was current, and didn't give me any hassle about it.  That was in Missouri, I don't know how it is in other states.


It seems to be that way in most states now. In fact, the insurance companies will report you to the state if your policy lapses or you cancel. Switching companies can trigger a nastygram if the new one isn't fast enough in updating their records.

Somewhat related: When I moved to AZ and registered the vehicles here, I got a nastygram a week or so later saying they were canceling the plates on one of the vehicles due to lack of insurance. Turned out they had a typo in the VIN on the title and registration, so when that VIN didn't match the insurance database, it got flagged as uninsured. A trip to the DMV fixed it when they issued a corrected title, but still it was kind of a PITA.
 
2018-02-09 03:57:29 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.


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2018-02-09 03:57:45 PM  

mooseyfate: seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.

I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.


Your hypotheticals rely on this actually happening. IF I were ever to lose my phone, my wallet, my ID, or any number of items that might be found, it would all be cancelled before they could be used. Your ID can be cancelled inside of 5 minutes with a simple 1-800 phone call from any telephone the world over just like your credit cards. My phone can be wiped remotely and can be reset to factory condition after a set time of not logging on or a set amount of password failures. 

Like, I get being paranoid might be helpful in certain situations, but the information on your ID is all part of the public record regardless, so they aren't gaining any more information about you than a simple reverse white pages of your address or phone number would provide. Ohio DL#s are not private nor is the information they contain. They can be requested from the BMV at anytime by anyone who wants that information (just like your public voting record - minus the actual votes).
 
2018-02-09 03:59:09 PM  

seadoo2006: Let me guess, then. You don't use your credit/debit cards, which log every purchase you make with the retailer, location, amount, and frequency of sale appended?


I do, but mainly for things like gas or groceries.  For anything the least bit controversial, I try to use cash when possible.

 You don't use a cell phone which tracks your location regardless of the "location services" option?

I don't have, and won't have, a cell phone.


You don't use an Android device, who's email accounts are utilized for ads and other tracking metrics?

No, I don't use an Android device.

You don't drive a car made in the last 10 years, which all have blackbox recorders and most that actively track your location?

My car is slightly less than 10 years old and doesn't have an EDR.  It certainly doesn't have any method to track my location.

I'm not *THAT* concerned about the EDR, though, because all it does is record something like 30 seconds worth of data.  The only way that would hurt me is if I were in a crash and I claimed I was only going 30 MPH when the EDR data says I was doing 70 or something.  That's the kind of stuff I generally don't care about.


 You don't use a store discount card to take advantages of sales?

Absolutely not.
 
2018-02-09 04:00:57 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

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The best part of it is that I can say shiat in Morse with long and short strokes and she has no idea what I'm saying.
 
2018-02-09 04:03:59 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.

I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.

Your hypotheticals rely on this actually happening. IF I were ever to lose my phone, my wallet, my ID, or any number of items that might be found, it would all be cancelled before they could be used. Your ID can be cancelled inside of 5 minutes with a simple 1-800 phone call from any telephone the world over just like your credit cards. My phone can be wiped remotely and can be reset to factory condition after a set time of not logging on or a set amount of password failures. 

Like, I get being paranoid might be helpful in certain situations, but the information on your ID is all part of the public record regardless, so they aren't gaining any more information about you than a simple reverse white pages of your address or phone number would provide. Ohio DL#s are not private nor is the information they contain. They can be requested from the BMV at anytime by anyone who wants that information (just like your public voting record - minus the actual votes).


Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now
 
2018-02-09 04:06:19 PM  
I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story
 
2018-02-09 04:09:31 PM  

Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story


it helps if you know where you're going.
 
2018-02-09 04:14:13 PM  

mooseyfate: Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now


The issue you don't seem to be understanding is that nothing contained in my wallet or in my phone is at all sensitive information. If it was, it's a liability just being out of the house with it. Credit cards all have $0 fraud liability and the last few times my card # was exposed, the company promptly cancelled my cards, refunded me the money for the purchases, and issued me a new card. 

Now, given IF you lose your wallet you're instantly never going to get ANY of that cash back, why wouldn't you carry in even more secure method of payment (Ie, credit/debit cards with $0 fraud liability)?

As for the ID or insurance cards on a phone, again, the information contained on each is already available to anyone in the general public who wants to know through the DMV. Your ID's information is all available as public record requests if someone wants it. Not even your ID# is protected. Your insurance is part of the public record. I can request a copy of anyone's insurance policy that I need (I've done this before with a particular idiotic rear-ending episode a few years back. Dude declined to give me his info, so I grabbed his plate # and did the public record requests through the DMV, filed my claim, and was dispatched an estimator to value the damage). 

Your paranoia would be more reasonable if you carried something like an SSN card, or a draft card, or a passport, but your state DL and insurance card is just an official copy of your public record documentation that's available regardless to the public under freedom of information laws.
 
2018-02-09 04:15:33 PM  

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


you should have seen the president with the funny name. He was giving them out to anyone. Some folks got 3 or 4.
 
2018-02-09 04:15:47 PM  

idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.


Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)
 
2018-02-09 04:16:23 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

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The best part of it is that I can say shiat in Morse with long and short strokes and she has no idea what I'm saying.


Are we still, uh, talking shortwave radio?
 
2018-02-09 04:17:04 PM  

dv-ous: Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story

it helps if you know where you're going.


Know where you're going before you leave..?
 
2018-02-09 04:22:05 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now

The issue you don't seem to be understanding is that nothing contained in my wallet or in my phone is at all sensitive information. If it was, it's a liability just being out of the house with it. Credit cards all have $0 fraud liability and the last few times my card # was exposed, the company promptly cancelled my cards, refunded me the money for the purchases, and issued me a new card. 

Now, given IF you lose your wallet you're instantly never going to get ANY of that cash back, why wouldn't you carry in even more secure method of payment (Ie, credit/debit cards with $0 fraud liability)?

As for the ID or insurance cards on a phone, again, the information contained on each is already available to anyone in the general public who wants to know through the DMV. Your ID's information is all available as public record requests if someone wants it. Not even your ID# is protected. Your insurance is part of the public record. I can request a copy of anyone's insurance policy that I need (I've done this before with a particular idiotic rear-ending episode a few years back. Dude declined to give me his info, so I grabbed his plate # and did the public record requests through the DMV, filed my claim, and was dispatched an estimator to value the damage). 

Your paranoia would be more reasonable if you carried something like an SSN card, or a draft card, or a passport, but your state DL and insurance card is just an official copy of your public record documentation that's available regardless to the public under freedom of information laws.


I'm not being paranoid just because I don't see the point in combining two things.  I'm not paranoid because I don't see the point in owning a snuggy or a Labradoodle.  I'm not sitting over here saying "NO YOU'RE WRONG, DUMB IDIOT!"  I'm saying I personally don't see the point in getting something that makes it slightly easier to lose two things at once.

/also, I'm glad you've been able to recover everything you've ever lost/had stolen, but there are many many many hundreds of thousands of people that are not so lucky and spend literally years of their life fighting it only to end up with decimated credit scores and a ton of legal fees to pay
 
2018-02-09 04:22:17 PM  

Godscrack: dv-ous: Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story

it helps if you know where you're going.

Know where you're going before you leave..?


I think that's what the ancients used to do, back in, like, the 90s. Back when there were dinosaurs or the Roman Empire or something.
 
2018-02-09 04:27:20 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.


Can you hit the Mt. Otay repeater from your place?

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