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2018-02-09 02:15:34 PM  
What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?
 
2018-02-09 02:21:23 PM  
Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.
 
2018-02-09 02:28:42 PM  

Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?


What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.
 
2018-02-09 02:32:33 PM  
Yeah, fark that up the ass sideways.
 
2018-02-09 02:33:04 PM  
Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.
 
2018-02-09 02:36:43 PM  

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


Patriotic Citizens will be compelled to carry their smart phone tracking devices with them at all times.

/which will be enough for me to dump mine
 
2018-02-09 02:36:57 PM  
Same concern for digital insurance cards, no thanks.
 
2018-02-09 02:37:16 PM  

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


They don't have to.  Most people eagerly carry around a locator beacon already.
 
2018-02-09 02:37:40 PM  
Heh, this is the "force everyone to buy a second smartphone act".  Cell carriers will love it.
 
2018-02-09 02:38:07 PM  
God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?
 
2018-02-09 02:38:43 PM  
That's one way to prevent people from filming the police.
 
2018-02-09 02:40:28 PM  

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Wrong question.  Doesn't matter who thinks them up.  What matters is why they think them up.
 
2018-02-09 02:40:46 PM  

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Bored people at Fox News, apparently.
 
2018-02-09 02:41:00 PM  

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.
 
2018-02-09 02:41:52 PM  

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?
 
2018-02-09 02:42:05 PM  
With the E-DUI law we've just passed, I'm just waiting for our state to come up with a Drivers License App, so the cop can get you for an E-DUI for touching your phone in a vehicle when you hand it over.
 
2018-02-09 02:42:36 PM  
Do my belfies count as a valid form of ID?
 
2018-02-09 02:42:50 PM  
I'm sure there will be an ID-while-locked app (like the emergency dialer) within days if its release, if not part of the initial design.
 
2018-02-09 02:43:22 PM  

guestguy: Do my belfies count as a valid form of ID?


Only if you can hack it to make a dick pick your driver's license picture.
 
2018-02-09 02:43:53 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?


You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.
 
2018-02-09 02:44:04 PM  
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I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.
 
2018-02-09 02:44:10 PM  

LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.


How can anyone at Fox News be bored when Hillary is using the deep state to email uranium to Benghazi with the help of the FBI?
 
2018-02-09 02:44:49 PM  
Jokes on them. I have a Samsung Galaxy.

Go ahead Mr. Officer... hold it in your hand. That warm sensation is how you know the phone is working *BOOM!*
 
2018-02-09 02:45:03 PM  

OkieDookie: With the E-DUI law we've just passed, I'm just waiting for our state to come up with a Drivers License App, so the cop can get you for an E-DUI for touching your phone in a vehicle when you hand it over.


Because I touch myself when looking at my phone, I assume no Fife would want to touch it.

/meant that I was wiping
//but wiping what?
///
 
2018-02-09 02:45:22 PM  
Jokes on them. I have an iPhone 6... and the battery's already dead.
 
2018-02-09 02:45:27 PM  

OkieDookie: guestguy: Do my belfies count as a valid form of ID?

Only if you can hack it to make a dick pick your driver's license picture.


I do like to dabble in dick puppetry...with enough time, I could probably craft a costume that acts as a reasonable approximation of the complex tapestry that is my face.
 
2018-02-09 02:45:55 PM  

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


I was thinking barcode tattoos. Just so there's no forgetting how much freedom you have.
 
2018-02-09 02:47:30 PM  

guestguy: OkieDookie: guestguy: Do my belfies count as a valid form of ID?

Only if you can hack it to make a dick pick your driver's license picture.

I do like to dabble in dick puppetry...with enough time, I could probably craft a costume that acts as a reasonable approximation of the complex tapestry that is my face.


Heh, Dick Puppetry sounds like a cover band that only does 1980's Power Ballads.
 
2018-02-09 02:47:33 PM  
That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.
 
2018-02-09 02:47:54 PM  

Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.


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2018-02-09 02:48:44 PM  
Driver License: weighs 5 grams, is a convenient size to fit in my wallet, functions as a de facto ID, works without power

Smartphone: way overweight, huge size that won't fit in a wallet, no one will ever accept it as an ID, has to be plugged in to work
 
2018-02-09 02:49:41 PM  

Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.


Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/143639​6​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.
 
2018-02-09 02:49:54 PM  
I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.
 
2018-02-09 02:50:57 PM  
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2018-02-09 02:51:06 PM  
I memorized my DL number years ago.  I simply read the license number off to the officer while I retrieve my insurance card.
 
2018-02-09 02:52:03 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Jokes on them. I have a Samsung Galaxy.

Go ahead Mr. Officer... hold it in your hand. That warm sensation is how you know the phone is working *BOOM!*


Meh.  It's been done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_A​y​yash#Assassination
 
2018-02-09 02:52:16 PM  
I have my driver license number memorized and one time when I got pulled over without it, the officer was able to pull it up by that alone and see I wasn't suspended or anything nefarious. He gave me a warning for my tail light being out and sent me on my way.

Then again, I'm white soooo YMMV
 
2018-02-09 02:52:56 PM  
"With innovation occurring on mobile platforms it almost makes too much sense to add this as an option."

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2018-02-09 02:53:17 PM  

mrmopar5287: Driver License: weighs 5 grams, is a convenient size to fit in my wallet, functions as a de facto ID, works without power

Smartphone: way overweight, huge size that won't fit in a wallet, no one will ever accept it as an ID, has to be plugged in to work


So you're saying that Smartphones are American?
 
2018-02-09 02:53:48 PM  
"Everyone wants it right now "

No, we don't.
 
2018-02-09 02:53:52 PM  

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


Already happening to a certain degree. A company in Wisconsin has started chipping their employees on a voluntary basis.
 
2018-02-09 02:54:18 PM  
Not gonna give fox news a click.  That said Horrible idea.
 
2018-02-09 02:54:41 PM  
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for fark's sake, cut to the chase and tag us, already
 
2018-02-09 02:54:55 PM  

bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?


Finland
https://newatlas.com/trafi-hiq-great-​a​pes-digital-driving-license/53257/
 
2018-02-09 02:55:48 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: "Everyone wants it right now "

No, we don't.


If that say that enough, people will start to believe it
 
2018-02-09 02:56:31 PM  

mdb1407: Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.

I was thinking barcode tattoos. Just so there's no forgetting how much freedom you have.


I'm Not Sure that's a good idea.
 
2018-02-09 02:58:02 PM  

scottydoesntknow: LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.

How can anyone at Fox News be bored when Hillary is using the deep state to email uranium to Benghazi with the help of the FBI?


I don't think Fox News is in the business of creating ID apps.
 
2018-02-09 02:59:30 PM  

dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.

Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/1436396​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.


I'd guess, that through out history, more people have been killed by their own government than by invaders.
 
2018-02-09 02:59:34 PM  
My CSB:

I got in an accident and the guy that hit me from behind (on his cell, no doubt) pulls out his smartphone to show me his insurance card image. I stepped to my car (with his smart phone in my hand) to copy the information and my thumb slips and the next thing I see is a metric ass-load of dick pictures! I damn near dropped the phone.

end of CSB.

/// Store your dick pictures AWAY from insurance forms
 
2018-02-09 03:00:06 PM  

AltheaToldMe: I memorized my DL number years ago.  I simply read the license number off to the officer while I retrieve my insurance card.


You sound like somebody who doesn't even deserve a license, how the fark often do you get pulled over?

I mean seriously, I've got one ticket in the 32 years or so
 
2018-02-09 03:00:13 PM  

aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.


Heh.  Three years ago around christmas time, I went across traffic and got t-boned.  Totally my fault.  Cop showed up, and I was kind of sweating it since I couldn't find my current insurance card, and I was kind of frazzled and wasn't sure about the registration.  I told him that.  He looked at me like I was an idiot and said," I already know you have insurance and your reg is current."

/had no idea
 
2018-02-09 03:00:35 PM  
Existing is not the problem...replacing is.  I'm sure the person who wrote the report was just overreacting with the whole "it will replace cards!!" crap, but the implications of replacing physical cards are just stupid:

To drive a car you MUST legally own a smartphone.
You smartphone MUST legally be charged at all times.
If you get an an accident, better hope your phone isn't damaged

...it goes on.  Add it as an option? Sure Replace?  Get real.
 
2018-02-09 03:01:44 PM  

uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.
 
2018-02-09 03:02:34 PM  

aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.


We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")
 
2018-02-09 03:03:20 PM  
The important thing here is that the son/daughter/ other relatives of a politician or WAPO reporter received a $2 million grant.
 
2018-02-09 03:05:44 PM  
Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.
 
2018-02-09 03:06:23 PM  

uber humper: dittybopper: Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.

Yeah, corporations are the least of your worries.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/14/1436396​70/the-technology-helping-repressive-r​egimes-spy

We learned from Edward Snowden that the NSA has such an infrastructure installed for use against "United States Persons".

"Enemy of the State" wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.

I'd guess, that through out history, more people have been killed by their own government than by invaders.


Sounds about right:

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MUR​D​ER.HTM
 
2018-02-09 03:07:42 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: That's one way to prevent people from filming the police.


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They'll do just about anything to turn the clock back to before the average citizen carried around a broadcast device that allows them to catch police overstepping their bounds.
It was a lot easier to dismiss minorities' complaints about their treatment by police, when there wasn't so much video evidence of it.
 
2018-02-09 03:11:13 PM  
This is dumb. I sold cellphones. I know the stupid stuff people do with their phones. Main problems here:
Phone runs out of power, you no longer have your license.
People who simply won't or can't use a cellphone would require the old physical card to be around anyway.
There are approximately 0 cellphones manufactured in the USA annually. We would be, defacto, turning over our national ID system to foreign agents. The military wouldn't even allow it's email to run on Blackberries for awhile because they were foreign servers.
You'd be adding a level of vulnerability to the national ID system just for convenience. Same reason we don't really vote online.
I'm sure there are other reasons too.
Dumb idea.
 
2018-02-09 03:15:39 PM  

70Ford: Has zero to do with the story, except there was this link at the bottom of the Fox News page, and it took me to
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which totally looks like an Onion article.


That girl has excellent business acumen.

/I'd say "she's a better businessperson than Donald Trump," but that's too easy of a hurdle to clear, like "she's smarter than Trump" or "her hands are bigger than Trump's"
 
2018-02-09 03:17:10 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.


They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.
 
2018-02-09 03:18:29 PM  
The requirement to even carry a license of any kind is outdated. Police computers can look up whatever they need to know.
 
2018-02-09 03:21:05 PM  

uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

[img.fark.net image 676x480]

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


Maybe, but parallel construction has proven remarkably effective in keeping the real source of information from the courts. I just like the blind trust people put in a website just because it claims not to track you.
 
2018-02-09 03:24:36 PM  
Big pig peaches --

The requirement to even carry a license of any kind is outdated. Police computers can look up whatever they need to know.
Can't happen - they need black people to reach for something before filling them full of lead - get your mind right, boy!
 
2018-02-09 03:26:08 PM  
Cool. And of course, tax dollars will pay for the phone, for those of us who HATE THE G*DDAMNED things, right?

And that won't encourage people to illegally and recklessly use the damn things while driving, oh, no.....
 
2018-02-09 03:26:33 PM  

Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.


I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.
 
2018-02-09 03:27:24 PM  

martissimo: You sound like somebody who doesn't even deserve a license, how the fark often do you get pulled over?


Thanks for the judgement.  I've been driving wince 1986 and have been in the service business.  I drove poorly a lot when I was younger and wasn't the smartest.  I grew up, but rarely forget a number.  Don't let that stop the smug though.
 
2018-02-09 03:27:27 PM  

uber humper: FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


If that's true then we KNOW they're tracking you.
 
2018-02-09 03:28:22 PM  
I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.
 
2018-02-09 03:32:29 PM  

uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

[img.fark.net image 676x480]

[img.fark.net image 850x448]

If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.


Considering the track record with other Russian software(see Kaspersky), the "we don't track your searches" claim should be taken with a pile of salt.
 
2018-02-09 03:34:49 PM  

fuzzybacchus: aseras: That's BS the cops all have computers now. They know your license, insurance and registration status before they even hit their lights to stop you. It shows a picture of the registered owner from the DMV database and make and model of the car. Insurance is all computers. They don't care if you have a card or policy. It's instantly verified. Hell most of the cops here have printers and print out citations. No more ticket books at all.

We'll yeah, that's how 90% of the cars/people pulled over on Live PD never have licences or insurance.  They know driver is suspended/expired and follow them until they commit a minor traffic infraction to bust them (since there is no proof of WHO is driving, they have to wait for a stoppable offense and then, " Oh surprise, the registered owner is driving and *gasp* they don't have a licence!!?? And a warrant !!!? Well sir, just so you know I pulled you over because you didn't signal your lane change 100 feet before moving over but now you are under arrest and your car is getting towed.")


If they get a hit on an automated plate reader they can make a stop. Waiting for something is more CYA than anything else. Legally they can stop you for almost anything. You can have 6 warrants and a suspended license and nothing compels them to arrest or detain you. They can let you go, especially if they don't feel like doing a lot of paperwork.

And that's the sad state of the police in the US. They have no duty whatsoever to do anything. They don't have to help you, don't have to render aid, don't have to arrest anyone and cannot be held liable for any action or inaction.
 
2018-02-09 03:36:12 PM  
Good luck, I have a Windows Phone
 
2018-02-09 03:38:15 PM  
Oh, how many ways could this turn into a cluster...
 
2018-02-09 03:38:35 PM  

mrsleep: scottydoesntknow: LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.

How can anyone at Fox News be bored when Hillary is using the deep state to email uranium to Benghazi with the help of the FBI?

I don't think Fox News is in the business of creating ID apps.


No, but they're in the business of convincing voters to support the government when it complicates things to increase corporate profits.
 
2018-02-09 03:39:09 PM  

Dick Gozinya: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Usually the same people who show up in threads about corporations tracking your purchases or GPS location and say "I dont give a shiat. Let them track me." You know...morons.


Let me guess, then. You don't use your credit/debit cards, which log every purchase you make with the retailer, location, amount, and frequency of sale appended? You don't use a cell phone which tracks your location regardless of the "location services" option? You don't use an Android device, who's email accounts are utilized for ads and other tracking metrics? You don't drive a car made in the last 10 years, which all have blackbox recorders and most that actively track your location? You don't use a store discount card to take advantages of sales? 

You simply use straight cash from an off-shore bank account that isn't logged for transaction histories?

Man, you're right. Your life must suck if you're wearing that tin foil hat you bought for cash in the park last year. The rest of us? Meh, give me convenience and if a company can glean off some information to send me direct mailing, fine. I'll take the 50c off of gas each week from Giant Eagle over the headache you want everyone to deal with otherwise. 

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2018-02-09 03:39:25 PM  

Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.


Because people never lose their wallets?
 
2018-02-09 03:41:22 PM  

mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.


Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.
 
2018-02-09 03:42:11 PM  

jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.


This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.
 
2018-02-09 03:42:29 PM  
That's why you'll have a license phone, and then your real phone.
 
2018-02-09 03:44:09 PM  

buzzcut73: jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.

This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.


You guys know that the police don't actually take the phone from you, right? They simply want to see that the named insured matches your license and that the date is valid. Try using the app sometime and seeing how the police utilize it. 

Hint: They don't ever take the phone from your possession and almost every cop I've dealt with has asked me to zoom it in so they can read it if it's too small to be readily visible from the steering wheel.
 
2018-02-09 03:44:37 PM  
In most states it's "Driver License" not "Driver's License".  Look at the picture in TFA closely.  There is no 's.
 
2018-02-09 03:46:43 PM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: In most states it's "Driver License" not "Driver's License".  Look at the picture in TFA closely.  There is no 's.


We're talking about the Boobieser in the thread.
 
2018-02-09 03:51:47 PM  

buzzcut73: jmr61: I will throw my phone in a river before a cop ever gets to look at it without a warrant.

This. I don't even have anything incriminating on there, but phones carry a lot of information about you, and I'm not about to hand any of it over.

I still print off my proof of insurance every time my policy renews even though my insurance company is always pushing the app with always available ID card. Not handing my unlocked device over to the cops or whatever rando that ran into my vehicle.


I was once pulled over with an expired insurance card.  The officer was able to use it to check and see that my coverage was current, and didn't give me any hassle about it.  That was in Missouri, I don't know how it is in other states.
 
2018-02-09 03:52:10 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.


I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.
 
2018-02-09 03:56:53 PM  

JNowe: was once pulled over with an expired insurance card.  The officer was able to use it to check and see that my coverage was current, and didn't give me any hassle about it.  That was in Missouri, I don't know how it is in other states.


It seems to be that way in most states now. In fact, the insurance companies will report you to the state if your policy lapses or you cancel. Switching companies can trigger a nastygram if the new one isn't fast enough in updating their records.

Somewhat related: When I moved to AZ and registered the vehicles here, I got a nastygram a week or so later saying they were canceling the plates on one of the vehicles due to lack of insurance. Turned out they had a typo in the VIN on the title and registration, so when that VIN didn't match the insurance database, it got flagged as uninsured. A trip to the DMV fixed it when they issued a corrected title, but still it was kind of a PITA.
 
2018-02-09 03:57:29 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.


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2018-02-09 03:57:45 PM  

mooseyfate: seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.

I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.


Your hypotheticals rely on this actually happening. IF I were ever to lose my phone, my wallet, my ID, or any number of items that might be found, it would all be cancelled before they could be used. Your ID can be cancelled inside of 5 minutes with a simple 1-800 phone call from any telephone the world over just like your credit cards. My phone can be wiped remotely and can be reset to factory condition after a set time of not logging on or a set amount of password failures. 

Like, I get being paranoid might be helpful in certain situations, but the information on your ID is all part of the public record regardless, so they aren't gaining any more information about you than a simple reverse white pages of your address or phone number would provide. Ohio DL#s are not private nor is the information they contain. They can be requested from the BMV at anytime by anyone who wants that information (just like your public voting record - minus the actual votes).
 
2018-02-09 03:59:09 PM  

seadoo2006: Let me guess, then. You don't use your credit/debit cards, which log every purchase you make with the retailer, location, amount, and frequency of sale appended?


I do, but mainly for things like gas or groceries.  For anything the least bit controversial, I try to use cash when possible.

 You don't use a cell phone which tracks your location regardless of the "location services" option?

I don't have, and won't have, a cell phone.


You don't use an Android device, who's email accounts are utilized for ads and other tracking metrics?

No, I don't use an Android device.

You don't drive a car made in the last 10 years, which all have blackbox recorders and most that actively track your location?

My car is slightly less than 10 years old and doesn't have an EDR.  It certainly doesn't have any method to track my location.

I'm not *THAT* concerned about the EDR, though, because all it does is record something like 30 seconds worth of data.  The only way that would hurt me is if I were in a crash and I claimed I was only going 30 MPH when the EDR data says I was doing 70 or something.  That's the kind of stuff I generally don't care about.


 You don't use a store discount card to take advantages of sales?

Absolutely not.
 
2018-02-09 04:00:57 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

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The best part of it is that I can say shiat in Morse with long and short strokes and she has no idea what I'm saying.
 
2018-02-09 04:03:59 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

I feel the same way about cell phone cases with the wallet slots built in.  Great, so now when you lose your phone, you also lose your ID and credit cards in one go.

Can I ask how often you misplace your phone? In 30+ years on this earth, 18 of which I've had a phone, I can't remember losing it, misplacing it, or having it stolen. You might want to start looking in the mirror when you are trying to find someone to blame, lol.

I've never lost a phone.  I've never lost a wallet.  Now that we've established that we're both perfect beings that could never possibly make a fleeting, yet expensive error, let's take a look at some scenarios:

How often does one walk around with their wallet in their hands?  How often does one walk around with their cell phone in their hands?  Doesn't have to be you, just look around the next time you're trotting through town on your high horse and take not of how many people have a cell phone in their hand/hands.  No imagine someone running past those people and snagging that out of their hands.  A shiatty thing to happen, of course.  Now would you rather just lose the phone?  Or the phone and your wallet at the same time?

Here's another hypothetical situation:  You're out with some friends at a restaurant, bar, party, whatever.  Everyone's chatting and having a good time.  You excuse yourself for a moment to go to the restroom.  You come back and your cellphone is gone.  And now so are your IDs, credit cards, and possibly even cash.  Well, that sure sucks.

/shiat happens
//the wallet and cell phone can remain separate, because if I WERE to lose one, I could very well need the other to make it back home.

Your hypotheticals rely on this actually happening. IF I were ever to lose my phone, my wallet, my ID, or any number of items that might be found, it would all be cancelled before they could be used. Your ID can be cancelled inside of 5 minutes with a simple 1-800 phone call from any telephone the world over just like your credit cards. My phone can be wiped remotely and can be reset to factory condition after a set time of not logging on or a set amount of password failures. 

Like, I get being paranoid might be helpful in certain situations, but the information on your ID is all part of the public record regardless, so they aren't gaining any more information about you than a simple reverse white pages of your address or phone number would provide. Ohio DL#s are not private nor is the information they contain. They can be requested from the BMV at anytime by anyone who wants that information (just like your public voting record - minus the actual votes).


Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now
 
2018-02-09 04:06:19 PM  
I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story
 
2018-02-09 04:09:31 PM  

Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story


it helps if you know where you're going.
 
2018-02-09 04:14:13 PM  

mooseyfate: Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now


The issue you don't seem to be understanding is that nothing contained in my wallet or in my phone is at all sensitive information. If it was, it's a liability just being out of the house with it. Credit cards all have $0 fraud liability and the last few times my card # was exposed, the company promptly cancelled my cards, refunded me the money for the purchases, and issued me a new card. 

Now, given IF you lose your wallet you're instantly never going to get ANY of that cash back, why wouldn't you carry in even more secure method of payment (Ie, credit/debit cards with $0 fraud liability)?

As for the ID or insurance cards on a phone, again, the information contained on each is already available to anyone in the general public who wants to know through the DMV. Your ID's information is all available as public record requests if someone wants it. Not even your ID# is protected. Your insurance is part of the public record. I can request a copy of anyone's insurance policy that I need (I've done this before with a particular idiotic rear-ending episode a few years back. Dude declined to give me his info, so I grabbed his plate # and did the public record requests through the DMV, filed my claim, and was dispatched an estimator to value the damage). 

Your paranoia would be more reasonable if you carried something like an SSN card, or a draft card, or a passport, but your state DL and insurance card is just an official copy of your public record documentation that's available regardless to the public under freedom of information laws.
 
2018-02-09 04:15:33 PM  

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


you should have seen the president with the funny name. He was giving them out to anyone. Some folks got 3 or 4.
 
2018-02-09 04:15:47 PM  

idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.


Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)
 
2018-02-09 04:16:23 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

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The best part of it is that I can say shiat in Morse with long and short strokes and she has no idea what I'm saying.


Are we still, uh, talking shortwave radio?
 
2018-02-09 04:17:04 PM  

dv-ous: Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story

it helps if you know where you're going.


Know where you're going before you leave..?
 
2018-02-09 04:22:05 PM  

seadoo2006: mooseyfate: Holy farking shiat, really?!

/I get it you see no point in being even slightly cautious, even on an extremely passive level, because IF is not a guarantee
//I'm rushing out to buy a cellphone wallet right now

The issue you don't seem to be understanding is that nothing contained in my wallet or in my phone is at all sensitive information. If it was, it's a liability just being out of the house with it. Credit cards all have $0 fraud liability and the last few times my card # was exposed, the company promptly cancelled my cards, refunded me the money for the purchases, and issued me a new card. 

Now, given IF you lose your wallet you're instantly never going to get ANY of that cash back, why wouldn't you carry in even more secure method of payment (Ie, credit/debit cards with $0 fraud liability)?

As for the ID or insurance cards on a phone, again, the information contained on each is already available to anyone in the general public who wants to know through the DMV. Your ID's information is all available as public record requests if someone wants it. Not even your ID# is protected. Your insurance is part of the public record. I can request a copy of anyone's insurance policy that I need (I've done this before with a particular idiotic rear-ending episode a few years back. Dude declined to give me his info, so I grabbed his plate # and did the public record requests through the DMV, filed my claim, and was dispatched an estimator to value the damage). 

Your paranoia would be more reasonable if you carried something like an SSN card, or a draft card, or a passport, but your state DL and insurance card is just an official copy of your public record documentation that's available regardless to the public under freedom of information laws.


I'm not being paranoid just because I don't see the point in combining two things.  I'm not paranoid because I don't see the point in owning a snuggy or a Labradoodle.  I'm not sitting over here saying "NO YOU'RE WRONG, DUMB IDIOT!"  I'm saying I personally don't see the point in getting something that makes it slightly easier to lose two things at once.

/also, I'm glad you've been able to recover everything you've ever lost/had stolen, but there are many many many hundreds of thousands of people that are not so lucky and spend literally years of their life fighting it only to end up with decimated credit scores and a ton of legal fees to pay
 
2018-02-09 04:22:17 PM  

Godscrack: dv-ous: Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story

it helps if you know where you're going.

Know where you're going before you leave..?


I think that's what the ancients used to do, back in, like, the 90s. Back when there were dinosaurs or the Roman Empire or something.
 
2018-02-09 04:27:20 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.


Can you hit the Mt. Otay repeater from your place?

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2018-02-09 04:27:34 PM  

dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.


Simple.  No phone, no vote.

/i keed
//i hope i didn't just give someone an idea
 
2018-02-09 04:28:22 PM  

Ambivalence: Or better yet, why don't we all get chipped like dogs and cats so when we get lost someone will take us back home.


hmmmm..........sounds familiar

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

That's some Nostradamus sh*t right there.
 
2018-02-09 04:44:06 PM  

Godscrack: dv-ous: Godscrack: I keep telling people, smart/iPhones aren't just for YOUR convenience. They are electronic leashes. People are hooked on them now. You sell your soul with every upgrade and new app you install.

I was stopped last week by a cop thinking I was texting and driving. I told/showed him my 'loser/criminals/poor people' flip phone. He said 'You wont be able to use those phones anymore' and walked away in a huff. (?)
I'm not saying they can't locate you by flip phones. A few years ago I reported someone had dropped several sheets of glass on the interstate. They already knew my location.

All I need is a cell phone when I am away from home. That's it.
/cool story

it helps if you know where you're going.

Know where you're going before you leave..?


Even better plan!
 
2018-02-09 04:45:07 PM  

edmo: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Patriotic Citizens will be compelled to carry their smart phone tracking devices with them at all times.

/which will be enough for me to dump mine


And don't forget to turn on the GPS tracking in your electric car, so Uncle knows how far you are driving for the road tax.

As long as there are flip phones, I won't have a smart phone. My Pantech only needs to be charged once a week, my wife's Galaxy can barely make it through a day on one charge.
 
2018-02-09 04:50:14 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Existing is not the problem...replacing is.  I'm sure the person who wrote the report was just overreacting with the whole "it will replace cards!!" crap, but the implications of replacing physical cards are just stupid:

To drive a car you MUST legally own a smartphone.
You smartphone MUST legally be charged at all times.
If you get an an accident, better hope your phone isn't damaged

...it goes on.  Add it as an option? Sure Replace?  Get real.


Don't forget voter ID laws. No smartphone, no vote. That's one way to further disenfranchise poor people.
 
2018-02-09 04:53:59 PM  
Does the app work on my blackberry?
 
2018-02-09 04:56:18 PM  

Pershing123: Mt. Otay


I can, but I'm cheating since I'm only about 18 miles away.
 
2018-02-09 05:21:35 PM  

RecoveringLibertarian: uber humper: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: uber humper: Robinfro: [img.fark.net image 425x451]I've got enough random 2 am Google searches to know better.

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If I was looking to track people who were specifically searching for bad stuff on the internet, I might ask myself how I could convince them to use my search engine instead of Google.

They'd be outed in court records. Sure they'd bury a few, but it wouldn't be worth it to operate just to get a few.  Like VPNs for stealing music files, if users started to get convicted the word would get out pretty quick

FWIW, I think DDG is owned by a Russian company.

Considering the track record with other Russian software(see Kaspersky), the "we don't track your searches" claim should be taken with a pile of salt.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
 
2018-02-09 05:48:15 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)


If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.
 
2018-02-09 06:08:11 PM  
Hey - so long as the thing can be accessed like my iphone camera, without unlocking it. Fine.
Otherwise - I guess I will have to drive without a license.

4th amendment much?
 
2018-02-09 06:57:04 PM  

dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.


There's an app for that.

/I don't have a 40 meter radio, though.
 
2018-02-09 07:02:54 PM  

idrow: I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)

If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.


If you're a passenger, you are not in any way required to carry any form of identification at all.

I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk.  I recommend everyone do the same.
 
2018-02-09 07:22:18 PM  

DarkVader: idrow: I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)

If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.

If you're a passenger, you are not in any way required to carry any form of identification at all.

I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk.  I recommend everyone do the same.


Luckily I live in the UK where we don't have to carry anything when driving. No licence, no insurance, no registration, nothing. They can tell from their computer if it's taxed and inspected.
My licence lives in my safe at home and hasn't got my photo on it anyway.
 
2018-02-09 07:26:21 PM  

LoneWolf343: bikerbob59: God damn stupid idea.  Who thinks these things up?

Bored people at Fox News, apparently.


Well if you're a 24-hour news station that refuses to talk about the economy or Trump....
 
2018-02-09 08:02:30 PM  

MadHatter500: Heh, this is the "force everyone to buy a second smartphone act".  Cell carriers will love it.


You sort of have a point, but my second i.d. phone will cost about $20 with no service plan.
 
2018-02-09 08:10:33 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt:
If you're a passenger, you are not in any way required to carry any form of identification at all.

I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk.  I recommend everyone do the same.

Luckily I live in the UK where we don't have to carry anything when driving. No licence, no insurance, no registration, nothing. They can tell from their computer if it's taxed and inspected.
My licence lives in my safe at home and hasn't got my photo on it anyway.


Be glad you don't live in Russia.myou have to have a domestic internal passport on you at all times. Papers on demand, or jail there.
 
2018-02-09 08:13:34 PM  

Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.


Just backup all your really important and sensitive documents to the cloud. It's what all the cool kids are doing.
 
2018-02-09 08:31:09 PM  
Not just no, but fark you, no.
 
2018-02-09 09:24:44 PM  

DarkVader: idrow: I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)

If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.

If you're a passenger, you are not in any way required to carry any form of identification at all.

I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk.  I recommend everyone do the same.


If you think the cops can't fark with you just because you're technically in the right not to carry it, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2018-02-10 07:06:00 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I actually make a point of taking my license out of my wallet if I'm going for a walk... ...My licence lives in my safe at home and hasn't got my photo on it anyway.


So which is it?

Has the same tatty unreadable piece of paper been in your wallet since 1997, do you keep it in a safe, or are you bullshiatting?
 
2018-02-10 07:11:03 AM  
The day the government wants to put some form of ID on my phone is the day I get rid of my phone and get a burner.

There is no way I am carrying a government issued ID device that tracks my location.
 
2018-02-10 08:42:26 AM  
Got a citation couple months ago. Told the cop my papers were in the back. Opened the trunk, cop saw all the mess and just asked if the car was mine. Went back to his car, ran the plate for license, insurance and registration. Came back with a ticket properly filled out with all my information on it.
 
2018-02-10 06:17:51 PM  

trappedspirit: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Simple.  No phone, no vote.

/i keed
//i hope i didn't just give someone an idea


Can't do that, because it's a right.

Of course, now that we have Supreme Court precedent that says the government can require you to purchase a third party product just because you're alive, I may be wrong.
 
2018-02-10 06:19:23 PM  

Pershing123: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

Can you hit the Mt. Otay repeater from your place?

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I live in NYS, so probably not.

/Favorited as a ham.
//I keep a list
 
2018-02-10 06:24:01 PM  

morg: Anastacya: Yea, and if you lose your phone, suddenly your ID is out there, along with any other crap you store on it. No thanks.

Just backup all your really important and sensitive documents to the cloud. It's what all the cool kids are doing.


I'd rather yell at it instead.
 
2018-02-10 06:32:05 PM  

DarkVader: dittybopper: thisisyourbrainonFark: dittybopper: Driver: What about the people that are using non-smartphones ?

What about people who don't have a cell phone at all?

I don't have one, and won't have one.

Is that why you're not returning my texts and SnapChats?

You wanna text me?  Text me on 7.042 MHz.  Oh, and you *MIGHT* want to bone up on your Morse, I send pretty fast.

There's an app for that.

/I don't have a 40 meter radio, though.


Computers have difficulty with hand-keyed Morse.  My fist is pretty damned good, but I can change it so that a computer can't copy it but a human can.
 
2018-02-10 08:21:18 PM  

idrow: I May Be Crazy But...: idrow: I have no idea how they expect to enforce this.  Are they going to make it a law that you have to purchase a smart phone and keep it on you at all times?  We already do that with a license, they're just complicating things for profit at this point.

Do we? I was under the impression that you only needed it if you were driving or if you're brown in Arizona. (Or buying smokes or beer, I guess.)

If a cop ever asks for your license when you get pulled over and you don't have it, then you're screwed.  If you're a passenger and you don't have it or a valid govt ID when asked for it, you're screwed, too.  You should always have one or the other on you at all times to avoid further aggravation.


You should read a little further. You are spewing things that are not true.
 
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