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2018-02-09 01:39:22 PM  
And here I was thinking that my uncle's '68 Les Paul Custom was something valuable.
 
2018-02-09 01:44:38 PM  

harleyquinnical: And here I was thinking that my uncle's '68 Les Paul Custom was something valuable.


if it hasn't been farked with, it's worth maybe $6-9k. I had a '77 custom, but it was a terrible farking guitar (weighed nearly 14 lbs, I swear!). even that POS is worth a few grand today.
 
2018-02-09 01:55:04 PM  
Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?
 
2018-02-09 02:08:39 PM  
I never understood the allure of vintage (old) guitars. It's not like there was some secret magic manufacturing technique back then that can't be copied today.
 
2018-02-09 02:10:56 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


I have exactly one data point: a 2003 "honeyburst" Les Paul Classic that I farking love. It feels awesome and plays better than it feels.

The pups are a little high gain for my liking, but it's easy enough to roll back the volume.

Not mine, but one just like it:

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2018-02-09 02:12:24 PM  

RectalDamage: I never understood the allure of vintage (old) guitars. It's not like there was some secret magic manufacturing technique back then that can't be copied today.


Rarity.

It's the same thing that drives the price of intangible items like private security keys associated with bitcoins.
 
2018-02-09 02:13:14 PM  
Math, Subby, how does it work?

/Like magnets apparently
 
2018-02-09 02:13:19 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.
 
2018-02-09 02:16:46 PM  

OkieDookie: Math, Subby, how does it work?

/Like magnets apparently


Read the article.
 
2018-02-09 02:19:31 PM  

CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.


As long as we're soliciting guitar opinions from FARK experts, I have one:

I've only ever played acoustic, but I'm thinking of getting an electric. I'm not looking for metal shredding, but just for that mellow studio, Chet Atkins type tone, so I'm looking at semi-hollow bodies.

Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?
 
2018-02-09 02:19:56 PM  

OkieDookie: Math, Subby, how does it work?

/Like magnets apparently


img.fark.netView Full Size

You ------^
 
2018-02-09 02:20:52 PM  

OkieDookie: Math, Subby, how does it work?

/Like magnets apparently


You're looking for a field of study called "Reverse Cop Math".

1,500 were made, 2,000 survive. If you think outside the box, you can figure out what's going on.
 
2018-02-09 02:22:56 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


Retail, no. They are way overpriced. Stay away from the recent ones with zero frets and self tuners. I do have a 2009 Studio with Burstbuckers in it. I paid about $600 for it. It's a great guitar that does it's job. It's just not flashy at all.
 
2018-02-09 02:23:22 PM  

CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.


I own an Epiphone LP. Compared to the equivalent Gibson, I don't find a big difference. A lot of people just want to own a Gibson and show others that they do. There are plenty of non Gibbys that are good guitars. It's a matter of taste, budget and whether you are an amateur or professional.

I suck.
 
2018-02-09 02:23:57 PM  

RectalDamage: I never understood the allure of vintage (old) guitars. It's not like there was some secret magic manufacturing technique back then that can't be copied today.


They make awesome decoration and conversation pieces. Hang a few up in your man-cave, and show off how much you know about vintage guitars when someone takes the bait. Even if you can't fret the first chord you can still be a showoff.
 
2018-02-09 02:25:17 PM  

MrBallou: Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?


Yamaha SA-2200 or Ibanez AS-80 or AS 200...older, like, mid 80s to mid 90s. I have a 1980 Ibanez LR-10, which is the Lee Ritenour signature model, that's very nice. But you can get the other models a little cheaper on reverb.com if you're patient.

Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.
 
2018-02-09 02:33:23 PM  

H31N0US: MrBallou: Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?

Yamaha SA-2200 or Ibanez AS-80 or AS 200...older, like, mid 80s to mid 90s. I have a 1980 Ibanez LR-10, which is the Lee Ritenour signature model, that's very nice. But you can get the other models a little cheaper on reverb.com if you're patient.

Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.


The Gretsch electromatic is a nice instrument at around 8-900 dollars brand new.
aguitarforum.comView Full Size
 
2018-02-09 02:33:56 PM  

MrBallou: CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.

As long as we're soliciting guitar opinions from FARK experts, I have one:

I've only ever played acoustic, but I'm thinking of getting an electric. I'm not looking for metal shredding, but just for that mellow studio, Chet Atkins type tone, so I'm looking at semi-hollow bodies.

Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?


Here's a nice Japanese Yamaha. 

https://reverb.com/item/6522176-yamah​a​-sa-2000-80-s-3-color-sunburst-black

I didn't see any Japanese Ibanez in your price range. They've become collectible; the words out on them.

Avoid Korean, Indonesian, Chinese builds.
 
2018-02-09 02:34:23 PM  

beerrun: H31N0US: MrBallou: Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?

Yamaha SA-2200 or Ibanez AS-80 or AS 200...older, like, mid 80s to mid 90s. I have a 1980 Ibanez LR-10, which is the Lee Ritenour signature model, that's very nice. But you can get the other models a little cheaper on reverb.com if you're patient.

Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.

The Gretsch electromatic is a nice instrument at around 8-900 dollars brand new.
[aguitarforum.com image 299x131]


Korean.
 
2018-02-09 02:38:02 PM  

FlashHarry: harleyquinnical: And here I was thinking that my uncle's '68 Les Paul Custom was something valuable.

if it hasn't been farked with, it's worth maybe $6-9k. I had a '77 custom, but it was a terrible farking guitar (weighed nearly 14 lbs, I swear!). even that POS is worth a few grand today.


Last time I checked the blue book value, and this was 5 years ago, it was valued between $8k and $10k.  However, I cannot speak to the originality of all the parts.
 
2018-02-09 02:38:36 PM  
I wonder what this vintage beauty is worth, I believe he still has it:

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2018-02-09 02:41:25 PM  

harleyquinnical: Last time I checked the blue book value, and this was 5 years ago, it was valued between $8k and $10k.  However, I cannot speak to the originality of all the parts.


That was peak guitar hysteria. Prices have come down since then. It's still worth decent money, depending on originality.
 
2018-02-09 02:43:06 PM  
FTA: Gibson made around 1,500 sunburst Les Pauls between 1958 and 1960, but today, only 2,000 survive.

Maybe Pete Townshend smashed up one too few?
 
2018-02-09 02:43:15 PM  

CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.


Epiphone must do something right if Gary Clark Jr plays a few.  My understanding is the higher end Epiphones are more reliable and sound just as good as the low end Gibsons, much like the old standard series Squiers were better than the MiM Fender Strats
 
2018-02-09 02:43:34 PM  

harleyquinnical: FlashHarry: harleyquinnical: And here I was thinking that my uncle's '68 Les Paul Custom was something valuable.

if it hasn't been farked with, it's worth maybe $6-9k. I had a '77 custom, but it was a terrible farking guitar (weighed nearly 14 lbs, I swear!). even that POS is worth a few grand today.

Last time I checked the blue book value, and this was 5 years ago, it was valued between $8k and $10k.  However, I cannot speak to the originality of all the parts.


I was in 30th street guitars in NYC a couple days ago, and they have lesser guitars on the wall asking for more $ than that.
 
2018-02-09 02:43:37 PM  

MrBallou: CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.

As long as we're soliciting guitar opinions from FARK experts, I have one:

I've only ever played acoustic, but I'm thinking of getting an electric. I'm not looking for metal shredding, but just for that mellow studio, Chet Atkins type tone, so I'm looking at semi-hollow bodies.

Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?


You've only got one option Retail for $800 but easily had for $600 lightly used. The newer models have the secured bridge so you don't knock it the fark off if you wail on it.
img.fark.netView Full Size


Well, not really. But that'll get you most of the way there.

Unless you want to go all Billy Duffy of The Cult, but it's $4k
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/pretending to be a Gretsch aficionado. I only own one. A White Falcon and a SilverJet will eventually be mine.
//Cries into my left hand "Why must the industry forsake me so?!"
/// noodly riff
 
2018-02-09 02:44:49 PM  

CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.


I'm kinda curious about this as well. I've been contemplating picking up an Epiphone LP with my tax return this year.
 
2018-02-09 02:45:09 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


I wouldn't buy a new Gibson if you paid me - but mainly because their CEO is a rightwing asshole (that and their guitars are insanely overpriced).

However - if you do buy a new or recent Gibson, save your money for something out of the custom shop. They get all the best wood and have the best luthiers. I have a 2008 "R8," which is a custom shop 1958 Les Paul, and it is a thing of beauty. Sounds amazing too. A lightly flamed new one like mine will run $4,500 or more.

Here she is:
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2018-02-09 02:45:29 PM  

RectalDamage: I never understood the allure of vintage (old) guitars. It's not like there was some secret magic manufacturing technique back then that can't be copied today.


For some, it is the prestige of owning the instrument.  For others, it is a sound that can be closely, but never fully duplicated.
 
2018-02-09 02:45:47 PM  

Dumski: CaptainFatass: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

For that matter, I'm curious to know how people feel the much cheaper copies such as Epiphone stack up against the newer Gibson models.

I own an Epiphone LP. Compared to the equivalent Gibson, I don't find a big difference. A lot of people just want to own a Gibson and show others that they do. There are plenty of non Gibbys that are good guitars. It's a matter of taste, budget and whether you are an amateur or professional.

I suck.


Cool deal, thanks for the insight. I already have an SG which covers a lot of tonal territory and an L6-S which I'm thinking of selling, so I don't have the "gotta have a Gibson" jones. I wouldn't mind, however, having the heft and chunk of an LP without having to sell a kidney on the black market.
 
2018-02-09 02:49:26 PM  

RectalDamage: I never understood the allure of vintage (old) guitars. It's not like there was some secret magic manufacturing technique back then that can't be copied today.


So you haven't heard about how they needed to do a CT scan of Brian Setzer's guitar because Gretsch had lost all of the blueprints that documented the exact bracing they used to get a hollow body guitar  with their specific sound and minimal interference from all of the structural components?

See? Nobody remembered how to build that specific guitar, and it actually mattered.

http://hoodoovoodoolounge.darkbb.com/​t​677-cat-scans-of-a-61-gretsch-w-trestl​es-kinda-neat

https://www.guitarinteractivemagazine​.​com/issues/issue-33/reviews/gretsh-hot​-rod-setzer/
 
2018-02-09 02:50:47 PM  

FlashHarry: KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?

I wouldn't buy a new Gibson if you paid me - but mainly because their CEO is a rightwing asshole (that and their guitars are insanely overpriced).

However - if you do buy a new or recent Gibson, save your money for something out of the custom shop. They get all the best wood and have the best luthiers. I have a 2008 "R8," which is a custom shop 1958 Les Paul, and it is a thing of beauty. Sounds amazing too. A lightly flamed new one like mine will run $4,500 or more.

Here she is:
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Gods, that is pretty.
 
2018-02-09 02:52:29 PM  

H31N0US: MrBallou: Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?

Yamaha SA-2200 or Ibanez AS-80 or AS 200...older, like, mid 80s to mid 90s. I have a 1980 Ibanez LR-10, which is the Lee Ritenour signature model, that's very nice. But you can get the other models a little cheaper on reverb.com if you're patient.

Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.


I'd argue that a lot of the "Lawsuit" era Ibanez Les Paul style guitars were as good, if not better, than some that were coming out of the Gibson factory in the mid 70's to late 80's.  Those Norlin Les Pauls had necks that were like boar oars, so heavy on the head stock end that they are uncomfortable for me to play.

/only owns Gibson guitars
 
2018-02-09 02:52:54 PM  
Nobody looked cooler with a sunburst than JP.
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2018-02-09 02:54:07 PM  

FlashHarry: I wouldn't buy a new Gibson guitar if you paid me


There are literally tons of beautiful used guitars on the bay and reverb. Why buy new?

Very nice LP, btw. Not a fan of bigsbys, but very nice all the same.
 
2018-02-09 02:55:55 PM  
All the cool guitarists played Strats

/they're also dead but that's beside the point
 
2018-02-09 02:57:01 PM  

beergut666: H31N0US: MrBallou: Is that the way to go? Any recommendations for under $1000?

Yamaha SA-2200 or Ibanez AS-80 or AS 200...older, like, mid 80s to mid 90s. I have a 1980 Ibanez LR-10, which is the Lee Ritenour signature model, that's very nice. But you can get the other models a little cheaper on reverb.com if you're patient.

Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.

I'd argue that a lot of the "Lawsuit" era Ibanez Les Paul style guitars were as good, if not better, than some that were coming out of the Gibson factory in the mid 70's to late 80's.  Those Norlin Les Pauls had necks that were like boar oars, so heavy on the head stock end that they are uncomfortable for me to play.

/only owns Gibson guitars


My biggest complaint about every led PaulO have ever played is that it is way too heavy.  Yet, I keep telling myself that the next guitar I get will be my last, and it will either be a Led Paul or a proper PRS.

IF I could get a hold if either a PRS Prism or a Les Paul Goddess, that would be just groovy.
 
2018-02-09 02:57:07 PM  

whither_apophis: All the cool guitarists played Strats
TELECASTERS


*whistling*
 
2018-02-09 02:58:06 PM  

H31N0US: Very nice LP, btw. Not a fan of bigsbys, but very nice all the same.


I wasn't sure I'd like it, so I used a Vibramate. But now I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2018-02-09 02:58:33 PM  

beergut666: I'd argue that a lot of the "Lawsuit" era Ibanez Les Paul style guitars were as good, if not better, than some that were coming out of the Gibson factory in the mid 70's to late 80's.


Tokai too, I think.  The resale market would almost agree.

I own Gibson, Ibanez and Fender. There are lots of small custom type shops that make great guitars, but then you're taking a chance on resale value. There's always that one person who wants a man cave ornament, who never actually plays the thing. He's not gonna spend $3000 on a Suhr.
 
2018-02-09 02:59:18 PM  
There are some fine Japanese Les Paul models to be had for a fraction of the cost of the real deal.
Look for LPs by Burny, Tokai, Edwards or Greco.
Back in the day, Dean's LP style guitar, the Evo, was made in the Czech Republic and those models, Evo Premium are fantastic. I know, I own four.
 
2018-02-09 03:00:19 PM  

H31N0US: Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.


I have two Japanese-made Gretsches, and they're among the best guitars I've ever played. The Fender Japan stuff is also really farking good. And the Fender stuff that came out of Japan in the 80s was FAR superior to the stuff they were making in their factory in California.
 
2018-02-09 03:03:59 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


I kinda look at guitars like cars, in that I buy used...  let someone else overpay.  With anything, you'll have awesome guitars and turds in the same batch.  The most important thing is to play before you buy.  A good setup goes a long way too.  Both of mine are Norlin era guitars, which some people think are junk.  I have no issues with them - they play and sound great.  Never had any workmanship issues, either.  They're also completely stock except for that I added strap locks and I added a pick guard (OEM Gibson) on my standard as the previous owner lost it.

I'm lucky enough to be old.  I bought both of my Les Pauls before Gibson hiked prices up in the late '80's.
 
2018-02-09 03:06:27 PM  
I bought a Gibson second for mid-two figures. I can't imagine how wonderful an American Gibson plays and sounds. Mine made by tiny fingers in Asia sounds amazing.
 
2018-02-09 03:06:43 PM  

Ed Becker: With anything, you'll have awesome guitars and turds in the same batch.


This is why buying without playing is so dangerous. I briefly owned another R8. Beautiful guitar, but a total dud. Sounded like complete shiat, regardless of the amp. And unplugged it was just dead. shiatty wood, I guess. Learned my lesson though.
 
2018-02-09 03:07:02 PM  

whidbey: whither_apophis: All the cool guitarists played Strats
TELECASTERS

*whistling*


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kab
2018-02-09 03:09:15 PM  

KC Dutchman: Serious question for the guitar aficionados: Are the new or recent Les Paul's worth the money? I have heard about and read about turmoil at the Gibson factory (i.e., long-time luthiers leaving, poor workmanship, inferior parts, etc). Any insights?


I bought a brand new one last year.   Wound up returning it, but not because of workmanship.  It played and was built beautifully (as far as the woodwork went at least).  Newer ones (and I believe older ones) are notorious for tuning stability issues, mine had none of that however.   Electronics were a different matter.  I'm lefty, and found it incredibly annoying that the wiring did not take this into account, as other mfr's will do

It was the second I'd owned, and I've concluded that I just don't get along with them.   I dislike the ergonomics, and my fat fingers don't cooperate well with the shorter scale or string tension.   Still, they do sound wonderful through the right amp.

I consider the LP to be the 911 of guitars.   Design flaws that the product its own thing in some respects, and not all that amazing a performer for the dollar, but they're still very sought after.

/the fact that so many of Gibsons newer designs were beaten with ugly sticks just helps LP's retain their prices :).
 
2018-02-09 03:10:08 PM  

whither_apophis: All the cool guitarists played Strats

/they're also dead but that's beside the point


Strats are killing rock stars!  Put two and two together people!!
 
2018-02-09 03:11:36 PM  

FlashHarry: H31N0US: Don't be put off by "It's Japanese". They made better guitars than we did for quite a while.

I have two Japanese-made Gretsches, and they're among the best guitars I've ever played. The Fender Japan stuff is also really farking good. And the Fender stuff that came out of Japan in the 80s was FAR superior to the stuff they were making in their factory in California.


I have a Japanese Charvel Model 2, 1987 model I think. Still has one of the most comfortable necks I've ever played. And 80s-early 90s Fugijen made Ibbys are the shiat. I just picked up this one

https://reverb.com/item/8427826-ibane​z​-540r-white
 
2018-02-09 03:14:30 PM  

FlashHarry: Ed Becker: With anything, you'll have awesome guitars and turds in the same batch.

This is why buying without playing is so dangerous. I briefly owned another R8. Beautiful guitar, but a total dud. Sounded like complete shiat, regardless of the amp. And unplugged it was just dead. shiatty wood, I guess. Learned my lesson though.


Yep it happened to me once. So I unloaded it it in my local Guitar Center...they just looked at the ebay transaction history and let me trade it in on something else they had that I liked. Since I got a deal, on the original, I made out a little. The trick is learn who in your local GC knows guitars, and don't go there when he is there.
 
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