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2018-02-09 06:51:36 AM  
This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.
 
2018-02-09 07:22:48 AM  
Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA
 
2018-02-09 07:39:57 AM  

wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA


Which 45* will show up.  The one who demands a wall or else, or the one who loves to sign things?
 
2018-02-09 08:02:04 AM  
No. President Stupid still hasn't resigned.
 
2018-02-09 08:10:13 AM  

BizarreMan: wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA

Which 45* will show up.  The one who demands a wall or else, or the one who loves to sign things?


And will he have wiped his ass and pulled his pants up by then?
 
2018-02-09 08:11:20 AM  

theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.


What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.
 
2018-02-09 08:13:30 AM  
"increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.
 
2018-02-09 08:14:11 AM  
Good fight, Chuck. You sure showed them that the Democrats have the stones to back their convictions.

What? They look like even bigger pussies after backing down on critical legislation for one of the largest segments of their base?

Well, I'm sure it'll be OK. Don't worry, Chuck. There's always more selling out to be done in Washington.

When you get out-smarted by the kid who eats paste time and time again, perhaps it's time to reevaluate your strategy.
 
2018-02-09 08:14:42 AM  

BizarreMan: wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA

Which 45* will show up.  The one who demands a wall or else, or the one who loves to sign things?


I think the bill is veto-proof. Doesn't matter how the idiot feels.
 
2018-02-09 08:15:29 AM  
Until the debt chokes us off.
 
2018-02-09 08:16:43 AM  

Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.


There is that subtle difference between 1) sitting around the kitchen table and writing a budget, and 2) depositing money into the checking account. Not as subtle for those who have to actually put the money in the checking account but you know the deal.
 
2018-02-09 08:16:44 AM  

wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA


Exactly. I'm a federal employee and was told to go home this morning because it's not final yet.
 
2018-02-09 08:17:41 AM  
Except the GOP passed a YYYUGE tax cut that will slash overall revenues.

So GOP now gets to own a YYUUUGE deficit, debt, a market correction, and the ensuing recession to come.

But we'll buy new fighter planes so that's what matters.
 
2018-02-09 08:18:31 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: BizarreMan: wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA

Which 45* will show up.  The one who demands a wall or else, or the one who loves to sign things?

I think the bill is veto-proof. Doesn't matter how the idiot feels.


"Veto-proof" like the Russia sanctions law?
"Veto-proof" only matters if people are willing to repeat their vote. Not so sure with this Congress.
 
2018-02-09 08:19:21 AM  

JerkStore: Good fight, Chuck. You sure showed them that the Democrats have the stones to back their convictions.

What? They look like even bigger pussies after backing down on critical legislation for one of the largest segments of their base?

Well, I'm sure it'll be OK. Don't worry, Chuck. There's always more selling out to be done in Washington.

When you get out-smarted by the kid who eats paste time and time again, perhaps it's time to reevaluate your strategy.


User name checks out.

According to TFA, Senator McConnel kept his word, and moved to open debate on immigration next week.  Dems get several wins on the CHIP funding and non-mil expansions, and they still get a chance to fight for Dreamers.

We, as a nation, need to get way past this notion that compromise is a bad thing.  It's one of the fundamental problems with our political situation.
 
2018-02-09 08:21:16 AM  

wademh: Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.

There is that subtle difference between 1) sitting around the kitchen table and writing a budget, and 2) depositing money into the checking account. Not as subtle for those who have to actually put the money in the checking account but you know the deal.


The 2 year budget also (according to news) lifts the debt ceiling for a year.  So...again, WTF are you talking about?

Granted Trump hasn't signed it yet, but it's pretty much a done deal.
 
2018-02-09 08:23:32 AM  

Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.


It was reported earlier as a CR ending March 23.
 
2018-02-09 08:25:07 AM  

AsparagusFTW: Until the debt chokes us off.


Yeah, Afghanistan isn't going away any time soon.

FTA: "The overall deal also does not address immigration, a key sticking point for many Democrats, but it does increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon and domestic priorities, a crucial incentive for getting enough votes from both parties."

I'd be shocked if Dreamers are helped at all.
 
2018-02-09 08:25:16 AM  
Good luck with that. Fewer taxes, more spending and higher interest rates on a huge debt mean you'll be entirely beholden to Russia and China in a decade.
 
2018-02-09 08:28:03 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I'd be shocked if Dreamers are helped at all.


Cue narrator: They won't.

But the media will declare this an example of bipartisanship, and immigration will drop from the news cycle.

So the GOP has won on this. They won't win so much when we see what raised spending, cut taxes, and increased inflation does to the economy in about a year.
 
2018-02-09 08:31:23 AM  

verbaltoxin: Nadie_AZ: I'd be shocked if Dreamers are helped at all.

Cue narrator: They won't.

But the media will declare this an example of bipartisanship, and immigration will drop from the news cycle.

So the GOP has won on this. They won't win so much when we see what raised spending, cut taxes, and increased inflation does to the economy in about a year.


They won in November 2 years ago.  Maybe people should have farking cared about the dreamers then instead of biatching now.
 
2018-02-09 08:31:34 AM  

Ambivalence: wademh: Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.

There is that subtle difference between 1) sitting around the kitchen table and writing a budget, and 2) depositing money into the checking account. Not as subtle for those who have to actually put the money in the checking account but you know the deal.

The 2 year budget also (according to news) lifts the debt ceiling for a year.  So...again, WTF are you talking about?

Granted Trump hasn't signed it yet, but it's pretty much a done deal.


Oh, you really don't know. They still need an appropriations bill. The budget is a different thing.
 
2018-02-09 08:31:44 AM  

Boo_Guy: "increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.


Depleted military! Hollow force! Lacking credibility! Sad!

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2018-02-09 08:31:51 AM  
"It appears 'General' @RandPaul is at it again. He just called for the immediate withdrawal of all forces from Afghanistan as a way to give the US military a pay raise," Graham tweeted. "Fortunately, only 'General' Paul -- and the Taliban - think that's a good idea."

Um. Actually. I would much rather see our men and women as far from that whirlpool as possible. I'm sure there are a lot of others. We failed in Afghanistan and it's time to face it. We won't and can't fix it, so why prolong the inevitable?
 
2018-02-09 08:32:13 AM  
Awesome. Now they can focus on what really matters, taking your social security and giving it to the rich
 
2018-02-09 08:32:14 AM  

verbaltoxin: Nadie_AZ: I'd be shocked if Dreamers are helped at all.

Cue narrator: They won't.

But the media will declare this an example of bipartisanship, and immigration will drop from the news cycle.

So the GOP has won on this. They won't win so much when we see what raised spending, cut taxes, and increased inflation does to the economy in about a year.


They will blame democrrats and win again, don't you worry.
 
2018-02-09 08:32:51 AM  

hammer85: They won in November 2 years ago.  Maybe people should have farking cared about the dreamers then instead of biatching now.


You know, maybe it's me, but perhaps nobody cared about the dreamers at all? Ever? Like this was just some sort of cynical political play or something.

Nah. No politician would ever be so cold.
 
2018-02-09 08:33:33 AM  

Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.


We're still under a previously negotiated "two-year" budget deal. Look how well that has gone.

Until the appropriations are actually approved and signed, there is no funding. The only funding that was a approved this morning was a six-week CR.
 
2018-02-09 08:33:47 AM  

verbaltoxin: hammer85: They won in November 2 years ago.  Maybe people should have farking cared about the dreamers then instead of biatching now.

You know, maybe it's me, but perhaps nobody cared about the dreamers at all? Ever? Like this was just some sort of cynical political play or something.

Nah. No politician would ever be so cold.


We will find out within the week.
 
2018-02-09 08:34:05 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Boo_Guy: "increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.

Depleted military! Hollow force! Lacking credibility! Sad!

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I'm not about to get all hawkish but you'd be surprised how much of that $611 billion goes to pensions, healthcare, and cost of living for what amounts to the world police.
 
2018-02-09 08:36:11 AM  

verbaltoxin: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Boo_Guy: "increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.

Depleted military! Hollow force! Lacking credibility! Sad!

[img.fark.net image 720x540]

I'm not about to get all hawkish but you'd be surprised how much of that $611 billion goes to pensions, healthcare, and cost of living for what amounts to the world police.


No worries. They "fixed" the pension glitch.
 
2018-02-09 08:36:13 AM  

wooden_badger: Wouldn't celebrate until someone gets Donnie Dotard off his golden shaitter and gets him to sign it.

/WHAT???NO WALL??? Ain't signing it.  Crooked Hillary!  MAGA


I'm half expecting him to sit on it, neither vetoing nor signing. It would still become law on February 20 (ten days, not counting Sundays), but he'd get almost two weeks of shutdown, with the associated bowing and scraping by people trying to get things open again. And the government would eventually still reopen anyway, because them's the rules, but he wouldn't have to be seen as "caving" to anyone.

Seriously, this is the strongest positiin Trump has been in personally in quite some time. It's only a matter of time before he realizes he can start just demanding the wall or else he shuts down the government for a week.
 
2018-02-09 08:36:23 AM  
Look forward to Congress basically taking off untill after November.
 
2018-02-09 08:36:35 AM  

Mr.Tangent: Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.

It was reported earlier as a CR ending March 23.


Yes, I did see that earlier, but it appears the full budget passed the house this morning and is awaiting Trump's signature.  It's reported he "intends to sign" but you who knows what he'll actually do.  Have some dramatic reveal or some nonsense at the last minute.
 
2018-02-09 08:36:36 AM  
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"Tax cuts and debit spendings back on the menu boys!"
 
2018-02-09 08:36:55 AM  

verbaltoxin: hammer85: They won in November 2 years ago.  Maybe people should have farking cared about the dreamers then instead of biatching now.

You know, maybe it's me, but perhaps nobody cared about the dreamers at all? Ever? Like this was just some sort of cynical political play or something.

Nah. No politician would ever be so cold.


I'm not talking about the politicians, I'm talking about the voters.

Let a racist asshole surrounded by farking nazis get complete power, don't be surprised when nazi farking policies passed.
 
2018-02-09 08:39:18 AM  

clkeagle: No worries. They "fixed" the pension glitch.


True.

Still when the DOD has to feed, clothe, school, bathe, and bandage every single service member (Plus dependents) including retirees and the disabled - all around the world - that shiat totals up.
 
2018-02-09 08:42:49 AM  

verbaltoxin: but you'd be surprised how much of that $611 billion goes to pensions, healthcare, and cost of living


I wouldn't. If I recall it's around $150B, and that includes current payroll. Could still lop the bar in that chart in half and still be far ahead of the rest of the world, and I'm saying that as someone who's pay comes from that big red bar.
 
2018-02-09 08:47:50 AM  

verbaltoxin: clkeagle: No worries. They "fixed" the pension glitch.

True.

Still when the DOD has to feed, clothe, school, bathe, and bandage every single service member (Plus dependents) including retirees and the disabled - all around the world - that shiat totals up.


Which is why they do their damnedest to avoid doing those things.  Or, more accurately, are provided only the meagerest of resources with which to perform those duties.
 
2018-02-09 08:49:56 AM  

Ambivalence: wademh: Ambivalence: theropod: This time between now and March 23 will no doubt feel like two more years.

What are you talking about?  All the news is saying this is a 2 year budget deal, not a month and a half CR.

There is that subtle difference between 1) sitting around the kitchen table and writing a budget, and 2) depositing money into the checking account. Not as subtle for those who have to actually put the money in the checking account but you know the deal.

The 2 year budget also (according to news) lifts the debt ceiling for a year.  So...again, WTF are you talking about?

Granted Trump hasn't signed it yet, but it's pretty much a done deal.


The budget is for 2 years. The appropriation, i.e., the authorization to actually spend the money, is until March 23.

The budget only sets "top-line" numbers, e.g., $XXX gazillion for defense. They still have to write the appropriation, which contains the specific spending on different items, e.g., $YY million for ammunition and $ZZ billion for tanks.

To be fair, it takes time to write a big appropriation bill, and it's impossible to write an appropriations bill until the top-line numbers are set. But there is still a chance of another shutdown on March 23.
 
2018-02-09 08:50:22 AM  

BeesNuts: Which is why they do their damnedest to avoid doing those things.  Or, more accurately, are provided only the meagerest of resources with which to perform those duties.


The military used to do that. People got mad. So now they provide technical training, amenities, healthcare, retirement, and free school. To every, single person who joins.
 
2018-02-09 08:50:58 AM  
Well as long as the military gets what they want. Right guys? Right? We totally need more and bigger weapons. Very bigly. Right now we can only destroy earth 2,000 times over. That just won't cut it with the threat of terrorism! TERROR. Fox news. Muslims! MEXICANS! Rapists! CHICAGO! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2018-02-09 08:51:58 AM  

verbaltoxin: clkeagle: No worries. They "fixed" the pension glitch.

True.

Still when the DOD has to feed, clothe, school, bathe, and bandage every single service member (Plus dependents) including retirees and the disabled - all around the world - that shiat totals up.


Oh, it does. We're effectively paying wages and healthcare for an additional 850,000 servicemembers every year above the authorized end strength - without getting any actual work out of them.

The flip side of that is that it's already hard enough to find anyone with a desire to serve in the military. Now we've effectively eliminated the carrot of the 20-year retirement, which reduces that pool a little bit more. There haven't been many who think about a 20-year pension the day they enlist... but there were some. My concern is that we're going to have serious brain drain at that 8-12 year mark where everyone else really started thinking about finishing 20 years.
 
2018-02-09 08:53:04 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Boo_Guy: "increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.

Depleted military! Hollow force! Lacking credibility! Sad!

[img.fark.net image 720x540]


You monster. Bloated military contractors are people too don't you know.
 
2018-02-09 08:54:07 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Boo_Guy: "increase spending caps by $300 billion for the Pentagon"

Oh thank goodness, those poor dears were going broke.

Depleted military! Hollow force! Lacking credibility! Sad!

[img.fark.net image 720x540]


The amount we spend only makes sense if we project force.

Considering we can't even stop Russia from rigging our election I'd say we're overspending.
 
2018-02-09 08:54:08 AM  

AsparagusFTW: Until the debt chokes us off.


No problem! Just cut all entitlements, raise taxes on the filthy poors to 75%, and open a few (thousand) for-profit debtor's prisons. We'll be going gangbusters in no time.
 
2018-02-09 08:56:14 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: verbaltoxin: but you'd be surprised how much of that $611 billion goes to pensions, healthcare, and cost of living

I wouldn't. If I recall it's around $150B, and that includes current payroll. Could still lop the bar in that chart in half and still be far ahead of the rest of the world, and I'm saying that as someone who's pay comes from that big red bar.


Let's also remember that 8 out of 10 countries on that list are allies. And if you get into a serious war with the other 2 then the nukes are coming out.

But don't worry. The next terrorist group is going to take one look at a big fancy aircraft carrier and just decide its not worth it...
 
2018-02-09 08:56:17 AM  

clkeagle: The flip side of that is that it's already hard enough to find anyone with a desire to serve in the military. Now we've effectively eliminated the carrot of the 20-year retirement, which reduces that pool a little bit more. There haven't been many who think about a 20-year pension the day they enlist... but there were some. My concern is that we're going to have serious brain drain at that 8-12 year mark where everyone else really started thinking about finishing 20 years.


The retirement carrot is gone but that hurts how many lifers you'll get. It sucks but it isn't the end of the world.

If the military farks with education entitlements though? Yes you'll see a huge brain drain. The bulk of both enlisted and officers come in for either Tuition Assistance, GI Bill, or ROTC.

As for family and marital benefits, if those were cut it might finally convince 18 year olds that they really, really shouldn't marry their hometown girlfriends or get their 18 year old, military coworker pregnant. Cutting those might make things better w/ regard to dependents' care expenditures, but I'm not sure. 18 year olds are really farking stupid.
 
2018-02-09 08:58:12 AM  

JerkStore: Good fight, Chuck. You sure showed them that the Democrats have the stones to back their convictions.

What? They look like even bigger pussies after backing down on critical legislation for one of the largest segments of their base?

Well, I'm sure it'll be OK. Don't worry, Chuck. There's always more selling out to be done in Washington.

When you get out-smarted by the kid who eats paste time and time again, perhaps it's time to reevaluate your strategy.


I've been assured that if you don't support the DNC and their leaders, that means you support Trump, no matter how many times they fark up and sell out.
 
2018-02-09 09:02:18 AM  

verbaltoxin: Nadie_AZ: I'd be shocked if Dreamers are helped at all.

Cue narrator: They won't.

But the media will declare this an example of bipartisanship, and immigration will drop from the news cycle.

So the GOP has won on this. They won't win so much when we see what raised spending, cut taxes, and increased inflation does to the economy in about a year.


It will just give them an excuse to kill social security, medicare, and medicade. We can't afford it, after all.

\but we'll somehow be able to afford a bloated, useless military
 
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