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2018-02-09 09:00:28 AM  
Take a look, it's in a book.
 
2018-02-09 09:39:15 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Take a look, it's in a book.


What are you, dead?  It's on the web.
 
2018-02-09 09:41:26 AM  
Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.
 
2018-02-09 09:41:47 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Take a look, it's in a book.


Got a query?  Just ask Siri!
 
2018-02-09 09:42:15 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: Take a look, it's in a book.


Does that question vex ya?  Just ask Alexa!
 
2018-02-09 09:48:34 AM  
What doom hath I wrought?
 
2018-02-09 09:53:35 AM  
Kids already know...

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2018-02-09 10:22:54 AM  
You mean I was right?
 
2018-02-09 10:24:38 AM  

blatz514: Kids already know...

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2018-02-09 10:24:50 AM  
The only right answer to "Why is the sky blue?" is "It's not."
 
2018-02-09 10:25:37 AM  
I encourage my 10 year old to seek answers himself, and even when I'm providing information, I do it in the form of asking him questions.

Whenever I tell him to look something up on the Internets, I always ask, "How much of the Internet is lies?"
"About 90%," he replies.
"Okay. Carry on."
 
2018-02-09 10:27:13 AM  
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TL;DR - It's all about discovery.
 
2018-02-09 10:27:58 AM  
What, you want me to actually converse with the little shiats?
 
2018-02-09 10:28:22 AM  
Why can't I eat gummy worms for breakfast?
FKCK YOU!!

Why are planets round?

GO FKCK YOUSELF

Why does your face look like that?
FKCK OFF YOU LITTLE shiat!!

/parenting, NAILED IT.
 
2018-02-09 10:28:23 AM  
If I asked my parents a question, I was told to, "look it up." I spent a lot of time reading and gaining knowledge. Kids have to learn to fend for themselves, of they will be led around by the nose and will grow up and elect the first idiot that comes along and does the thinking for them.
 
2018-02-09 10:30:15 AM  
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2018-02-09 10:30:55 AM  
Oh look an article where stupid people give stupid advice. Please, answer your children's questions. It's how they learn.
 
2018-02-09 10:31:28 AM  
How the hell much time does the author think I have!? I'll just say "you're right; it is a big blue crayon" and move on with my life.
 
2018-02-09 10:32:14 AM  
Child: "Why is the sky blue?"
Dad: "How the hell should I know? Do I look like Buddha or sumpin'? Go ask your mum*."

/ * - or other dad if that applies
 
2018-02-09 10:32:58 AM  
Well, yes it's good for them to work out somethings, but at some point you have to intervene with the right information. A 5 year old is never going to figure out that air molecules scatter blue light more than other wavelengths.

Just don't be afraid to give them information that is over their heads. I always explain that just because you don't understand it now doesn't mean you'll never understand it. Thinking about stuff that's hard is like exercising your brain.
 
2018-02-09 10:33:50 AM  
Good advice, especially because a lot of the times, the parents give the wrong answers.  "Why is the sky blue daddy?"  "Because Jesus made it that way as a warning to the gay people honey."
 
2018-02-09 10:34:02 AM  
Love that virtually every article published on that site is a command: "Stop doing X/Y/Z". Whole lotta clickbait goin' on.
 
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2018-02-09 10:34:31 AM  

Frankly Speaking: Oh look an article where stupid people give stupid advice. Please, answer your children's questions. It's how they learn.


Especially if the kid is 5 or under.
 
2018-02-09 10:35:03 AM  

basemetal: What, you want me to actually converse with the little shiats?


My sentiments as well.
5 seconds to answer his goddamn question.
5 minutes to 'engage' him like TFA suggests.
 
2018-02-09 10:35:18 AM  
Tried this with my four-year-old the other day. She ended up debunking two of Newton's laws, so that's the last time we'll be trying out THAT life hack. In our house we obey the laws of thermodynamics, thankyouverymuch.
 
2018-02-09 10:38:54 AM  
"Because you disappoint me" is usually a good answer.
 
2018-02-09 10:41:00 AM  

Frankly Speaking: Oh look an article where stupid people give stupid advice. Please, answer your children's questions. It's how they learn.


Exactly! It's good for them to be inquisitive and it's good for you to have stuff to talk about with your kid.

emarche: Love that virtually every article published on that site is a command: "Stop doing X/Y/Z". Whole lotta clickbait goin' on.


You've been eating mayonnaise wrong all this time. Stop doing that.

Yeah, that shiat makes me a little slappy as well.
 
2018-02-09 10:41:28 AM  
I try to make it a learning experience each time.  I don't want to squash their curiosity (a trait that we should encourage) so most of the time I answer.

The times I don't?  It's usually the mundane "who were you talking to on the phone" or if I am asking my wife a question and she answers, and my son starts asking "what did she say?".  I do a "it's not about you, so you don't need to know" response to those kinds of questions.
 
2018-02-09 10:42:32 AM  

edrick: "Because you disappoint me" is usually a good answer.


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2018-02-09 10:42:58 AM  

big pig peaches: Well, yes it's good for them to work out somethings, but at some point you have to intervene with the right information. A 5 year old is never going to figure out that air molecules scatter blue light more than other wavelengths.

Just don't be afraid to give them information that is over their heads. I always explain that just because you don't understand it now doesn't mean you'll never understand it. Thinking about stuff that's hard is like exercising your brain.


This. My oldest is only 2 so I can't tell her to look things up yet. I try to make sure i actually know the answer before I tell her why things are the way they are. I freely admit when I don't know something and then I'll find a video on YouTube from a good source and we'll both learn something.

/just started going over the three states of matter with her, we'll see if it sticks.
//yes I know there are more, I'm keeping it simple.
 
2018-02-09 10:44:30 AM  

The Yattering: The only right answer to "Why is the sky blue?" is "It's not."


You left out smiling smugly and saying "seems that way, doesn't it?"
 
2018-02-09 10:45:13 AM  
Too much work. As long as you actually answer their questions and don't say "because I said so" or "because you don't want the chupacabra to get you," they should turn out all right.
 
2018-02-09 10:45:53 AM  
Also, Calvin and Hobbes dad answers work as well:

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2018-02-09 10:46:49 AM  
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."
 
2018-02-09 10:47:58 AM  
My standsrd response set: because i said so; no; i dont know;  your mom.
 
2018-02-09 10:49:42 AM  

xalres: /just started going over the three states of matter with her, we'll see if it sticks.


My two-year old was able to figure out the three states of matter on her own. Wet. Wind. Ouch.
 
2018-02-09 10:52:24 AM  

dittybopper: Tr0mBoNe: Take a look, it's in a book.

What are you, dead?  It's on the web.


Serious lulz.

/couple of tears, too, thanks!
 
2018-02-09 10:53:26 AM  
My parents (especially my dad) did this and I am a better person for it.
The only downside is that I am now EVERYONE's go to for questions because not only do I know a ton from looking everything up, but I know how to easily find answers to things that I don't.
With the wife though every fifth or so question, I give the "gee, if only you had some sort of device in your hand right now that literally had access to the majority of the world's information so you could answer your own question..."
 
2018-02-09 10:54:23 AM  
I do this with my almost five year old, if I think he's able to figure things out on his own. He's never asked me anything as stupid as "Why is the sky blue?"
 
2018-02-09 10:54:50 AM  

dittybopper: Tr0mBoNe: Take a look, it's in a book.

Does that question vex ya?  Just ask Alexa!


Ok, ok, now you're just showing off

/let others have a turn yes
//yes, I'm pissed I didn't get to try
///my favorite cereal is Corn Pops
 
2018-02-09 10:57:20 AM  

winedrinkingman: Good advice, especially because a lot of the times, the parents give the wrong answers.  "Why is the sky blue daddy?"  "Because Jesus made it that way as a warning to the gay people honey."


I read that too quick and my immediate thought was, "What's gay honey, and how fabulous is it?"
 
2018-02-09 10:57:26 AM  
Can't use your noodle?  Just say, "Hey, Google!"
 
2018-02-09 10:57:35 AM  
There's no question a kid can ask that can't be quickly answered with a savage, bloody, and ultimately fatal beating.
 
2018-02-09 10:58:43 AM  

ChipNASA: Why are planets round?


NSFW, Language.

https://youtu.be/G91IU8cFJ7o
 
2018-02-09 10:58:58 AM  

dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.


Yeah, but now he's super into shortwave radios...poor little fella  ( ._.)
 
2018-02-09 10:59:13 AM  
Or, you could tell them to look it up, like my parents did. I didn't have no Google, either, it was the library or 20-year-old encyclopedias for us.
 
2018-02-09 10:59:32 AM  
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2018-02-09 11:03:17 AM  
https://youtu.be/fOAz3uCsS-E

Woody Guthrie has this.
 
2018-02-09 11:03:51 AM  
Are you kidding??? This is one of my favorite parts of parenting!

"How hot is the sun?"
"I'm not sure exactly. Let's look it up together."

"What's a barracuda?"
"A loooooong skinny fish with nasty teeth. Here's a picture; look at this thing! I'd hate to run into one of those in the ocean, wouldn't you?"

"Where's India?"
"Here it is on the globe, just south of China and Pakistan."

All from this week alone.
 
2018-02-09 11:04:05 AM  
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2018-02-09 11:06:03 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: My standsrd response set: because i said so; no; i dont know;  your mom.no, i dont know your mom.


More fun if you adjust punctuation.
 
2018-02-09 11:09:42 AM  

emarche: Love that virtually every article published on that site is a command: "Stop doing X/Y/Z". Whole lotta clickbait goin' on.


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2018-02-09 11:10:36 AM  
 
2018-02-09 11:16:02 AM  
Depends on the question.
 
2018-02-09 11:23:48 AM  
Why parents just said "you'll understand when you'll be older"
 
2018-02-09 11:26:23 AM  
I begged for a computer in the 80s for the sole purpose of playing video games that I liked more than what was on Atari at the time.  For Christmas I got a Vic 20 with a cassette drive.  My father told me if I wanted to play games I had to write them myself.  So I learned how.

taadaa!
 
2018-02-09 11:26:40 AM  
Couldn't disagree with article more.

Kids don't have a friggin clue as to why the sky is blue and will not come up with the answer. Give them the correct answer and explain it so they can understand it. You will give them an appreciation for the world around them and a deeper knowledge and understanding of the world they live in. They will also know early on that even though things are complex that an answer is there.

This is one of my favorite parts of being a parent. If I don't know we look it up. Now my kids actually know how to look up things and how to dig deep for an answer. It often goes down rabbit holes of learning.

What kind of even CLOSE to correct answer do you think a kid will come up with for why the sky is blue? This isn't encouraging creativity. Kids are hungry for knowledge - don't hold it back FFS. Tell them why it's blue.
 
2018-02-09 11:27:40 AM  

EmptyCup: Couldn't disagree with article more.

Kids don't have a friggin clue as to why the sky is blue and will not come up with the answer. Give them the correct answer and explain it so they can understand it. You will give them an appreciation for the world around them and a deeper knowledge and understanding of the world they live in. They will also know early on that even though things are complex that an answer is there.

This is one of my favorite parts of being a parent. If I don't know we look it up. Now my kids actually know how to look up things and how to dig deep for an answer. It often goes down rabbit holes of learning.

What kind of even CLOSE to correct answer do you think a kid will come up with for why the sky is blue? This isn't encouraging creativity. Kids are hungry for knowledge - don't hold it back FFS. Tell them why it's blue.


Most adults will give them the wrong answer.
 
2018-02-09 11:27:45 AM  

Burr: Also, Calvin and Hobbes dad answers work as well:
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I was going to upload a link to that 4th one of yours, so I see my work is done...
 
2018-02-09 11:30:45 AM  
Dear Lifehacker.

Shut up.
 
2018-02-09 11:31:32 AM  
My standard response
Bring me a beer then go ask your mother
 
2018-02-09 11:34:16 AM  

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You do of course realize that "LIFEHACKER" is an anagram of "CHARLIE FLEK", right?

Obviously a reference to Bela's lesser known younger brother.
 
2018-02-09 11:35:41 AM  
1. If your toddler is asking you "why" over and over they are farking with you.  You are a bad parent and should feel bad.

2. No one really knows why the sky is blue.  I was told in grade school it was reflecting the ocean. For years I would stare at the bath tub and try to figure out why the water was blue.

3. Ya if you actually know the answer, try giving the correct answer.
 
2018-02-09 11:38:58 AM  
Dad? Why is the sky blue?
- When the dinosaurs died, their blood turned to steam, and dinosaur blood was blue.
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2018-02-09 11:46:32 AM  
Michelle Woo advises parents well.  As soon as possible, humiliate and frustrate the darlings as Socrates did by answering questions with further questions.  Parental obstinate refusal to empathize  with the child or address concerns can be taught early.  Provide a footstool so that they can access the range top for their own meals to answer the question, "What will we have for dinner?"

Children do well enough on their own by getting advice from friends on which drugs are cool, ethnic groups should be exterminated, or day of the week that won't result in a pregnancy.  All parents fail their children:  Why wait?
 
2018-02-09 11:51:24 AM  

Frankly Speaking: Oh look an article where stupid people give stupid advice. Please, answer your children's questions. It's how they learn.


It's how they learn facts (many of which are actually wrong).  It's not how they learn how to think and figure things out for themselves when you're not around.

No one is saying you shouldn't guide the process, or give them the information they need to come to a correct conclusion.

IHadMeAVision: Too much work. As long as you actually answer their questions and don't say "because I said so" or "because you don't want the chupacabra to get you," they should turn out all right.


Less work in the long run, since they come to you with fewer questions once they feel empowered to use their own brains.

guestguy: dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.

Yeah, but now he's super into shortwave radios...poor little fella  ( ._.)


And if you ask him how much he weighs, he gives you the answer in grains.
 
2018-02-09 11:51:45 AM  
As an uncle, rather than a parent, my job is to always give the wrong answer. I'm teaching them the value of skepticism.
 
2018-02-09 11:54:44 AM  
I do this at work all the time.

Peon: "what do I need to do before I leave for the day?"
Me: "What have you had to do every other day you've worked here? Do that."

...and it continues...

Dipshiat: "Well, I though you might want something else today."
Me: "Hmmm. Why don't you do something else, too. Pick something. Surprise me."
 
2018-02-09 11:57:38 AM  
Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?
 
2018-02-09 11:59:53 AM  
But... what if I'm able to give informed and educated answers on a wide variety of subjects?

And yes, I'm aware that English should not be one of those subjects, but bio, chem, math, history... we're good.
 
2018-02-09 12:00:47 PM  

dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.


My parents did this a lot with me, as well. Although I think it was less because it is a good learning experience, and more because it was a good way to get me out of the "Why? Why? Why?" cycle.
 
2018-02-09 12:01:36 PM  

dewihafta: Are you kidding??? This is one of my favorite parts of parenting!

"How hot is the sun?"
"I'm not sure exactly. Let's look it up together."

"What's a barracuda?"
"A loooooong skinny fish with nasty teeth. Here's a picture; look at this thing! I'd hate to run into one of those in the ocean, wouldn't you?"

"Where's India?"
"Here it is on the globe, just south of China and Pakistan."

All from this week alone.


Came here to say this. As a nanny, my favorite answers to any question was, "I have no idea, let's go try to see if we can figure it out" or "Well, I was told it's [whatever] but I've never actually checked for myself so why don't we do some research to see if that's true" and then we got to spend time together learning how to learn and learning to test received wisdom. I would never tell a child to go away if they had a question. They aren't looking for an answer, they are looking for a way into your world. It's one of the ways they use to build relationships and telling them to go away is akin to telling them you aren't interested in that relationship. 

Dismiss a child's curiosity and trust in you and you are only teaching them to be antisocial. Being solicitous of other people's expertise and opinions is one of the things that makes us engaged, empathetic, and enjoyable to be around.

My father used to tell us to go figure out things for ourselves and my mother used to take us to the library and help us find books that might help us get answers. One of them I avoided except for really shallow interactions and the other is the first person I go to when I need an answer to something I can't figure out on my own. She doesn't necessarily know the answer but she always helps me find it.

"I don't know, let's go see what we can find out" is one of the best preludes to a really meaningful and fun time with any kid. It's one of the greatest adventures you can have together.
 
2018-02-09 12:06:42 PM  
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For answers to life's most important questions.
 
2018-02-09 12:09:09 PM  

Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?


Is this a setup for a dad joke or do you actually think the rotation speed of the earth is variable?
 
2018-02-09 12:09:35 PM  
This approach may work with kids that aren't clever. My kid is a quick thinker, so I'll keep going with my solution...

Which is to give him a totally adult answer, sparing no detail, while the wife tries to say "he's only a kindergartener".

I don't even care how much he retains, it's about answering the next 20 questions all in one batch, as well as working on his ability to listen and retain more than a sound bite.

He's got an excellent memory, which also helps.

Was watching a car video when he was five, and it showed a retractable spoiler. He asked, "does that make it more aerodynamic"?

I explained to him that the cartoon that taught him the word was totally wrong in terms of what a spoiler did, and explained downforce. Good times.
 
2018-02-09 12:12:47 PM  

SuperChuck: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

Is this a setup for a dad joke or do you actually think the rotation speed of the earth is variable?


Not a joke.  Its rotational speed varies.  Measurably.  Can you figure out why?
 
2018-02-09 12:16:25 PM  

Z-clipped: SuperChuck: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

Is this a setup for a dad joke or do you actually think the rotation speed of the earth is variable?

Not a joke.  Its rotational speed varies.  Measurably.  Can you figure out why?


ha. ha.
 
2018-02-09 12:23:59 PM  

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For answers to life's most important questions.


I made a redtube joke in mixed company the other day.   Two of the 20ish year old guys didn't know what it was but all the older adults (30-40) did.   Do kids not watch porn, or do they just go to obviously named sites like youpron?   I decided xnxx would be to obscure for the joke, but was surprised when anyone missed redtube.
 
2018-02-09 12:26:04 PM  

Sailing Starflower: Z-clipped: SuperChuck: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

Is this a setup for a dad joke or do you actually think the rotation speed of the earth is variable?

Not a joke.  Its rotational speed varies.  Measurably.  Can you figure out why?

ha. ha.


I'll give you a hint:

α = 𝛕 / I
 
2018-02-09 12:34:19 PM  
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2018-02-09 12:39:30 PM  
Better than my dad's approach, "Don't you KNOW this?" Or as an adult, him complaining that I didn't do something and should know better. Apparently, and I know this is shocking to some, but if you want your child raised a certain way it's up to YOU as a parent to ensure your child has certain knowledge or manners.
 
2018-02-09 12:42:40 PM  
SuperChuck:

Feel free to ask questions here instead of searching the web.  It's really quite a fun problem to work through, and even though it uses only basic concepts from high school physics it took my entire class of astrophysics majors a solid 30 minutes of playing question and answer with the professor to figure out.
 
2018-02-09 01:02:33 PM  

Z-clipped: SuperChuck:

Feel free to ask questions here instead of searching the web.  It's really quite a fun problem to work through, and even though it uses only basic concepts from high school physics it took my entire class of astrophysics majors a solid 30 minutes of playing question and answer with the professor to figure out.


Sorry, a quick & dirty google told me it has to do with ice and there being more of it in the northern hemisphere.

I was really hoping it was going to be a bad joke I could tell my kids ;}
 
2018-02-09 01:13:05 PM  

Z-clipped: SuperChuck: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

Not a joke.  Its rotational speed varies.  Measurably.  Can you figure out why?


I do not know if the above is correct and, in playing with the game will not google it, but I can make a non-google guess that several factors could come in to play.

I would guess that seasonal changes in moisture content an specific latitudes could account for some changes in angular velocity.

Also, the earth's orbit is not circular. As the earth moves in and out from the near and far points (forget the greek for this - parethon? anatheon? whatever) the tidal forces (ala towards tidal lock) that the sun has would change. I know the sun's tidal forces are small and distance in gravity matters so I do not know the math answer to how much of an effect this has.

Any other farkers know better?

Maybe I should ask my kids.
 
2018-02-09 01:14:23 PM  

SuperChuck: a quick & dirty google told me it has to do with ice and there being more of it in the northern hemisphere.


OR MAYBE it has to do with the smoother part of the turtle shell!
 
2018-02-09 01:24:09 PM  

SuperChuck: Sorry, a quick & dirty google told me it has to do with ice and there being more of it in the northern hemisphere.


That's not correct.
 
2018-02-09 01:26:16 PM  
There is a wonderful childrens book called, "Why?" By lindsey camp. A little girl asks Why all the time and saves the earth from alien invasion.
 
2018-02-09 01:46:08 PM  
I told my kid that there was this thing called sarcasm.  Defined it for him. And told him he was going to see a lot of it in life, so I was going to give him experience in it.

/so watch out kid
//promised to provide hints
 
2018-02-09 01:55:25 PM  

EmptyCup: Z-clipped: SuperChuck: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

Not a joke.  Its rotational speed varies.  Measurably.  Can you figure out why?

I do not know if the above is correct and, in playing with the game will not google it, but I can make a non-google guess that several factors could come in to play.

I would guess that seasonal changes in moisture content an specific latitudes could account for some changes in angular velocity.

Also, the earth's orbit is not circular. As the earth moves in and out from the near and far points (forget the greek for this - parethon? anatheon? whatever) the tidal forces (ala towards tidal lock) that the sun has would change. I know the sun's tidal forces are small and distance in gravity matters so I do not know the math answer to how much of an effect this has.

Any other farkers know better?

Maybe I should ask my kids.


Here's another hint:

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2018-02-09 02:06:04 PM  

Z-clipped: SuperChuck: Sorry, a quick & dirty google told me it has to do with ice and there being more of it in the northern hemisphere.

That's not correct.


Or, more accurately, while the long-term effects of ice melt due to global average temperature can and do affect the earth's rotation, the effects of seasonal polar ice melts are mostly mitigated by isostatic rebound of the south polar continent, and salt migration in the arctic.

The effect I'm asking about is more specific, more pronounced in the short-term, and more significant.
 
2018-02-09 02:10:31 PM  
Of course, since I actually five a shiat about my daughter(And my stepsons when they were little), I don't use the "Fark off and figure it out for yourself, because I'm too busy" approach that everyone seems to thin is pure genius.

Instead, I talk to her about whatever her question is, explain the background she needs, look up examples, build from there. Next, I may show related items, maybe even tear something in the house apart to show her how it works. Then I follow up by going back to it when the opportunity arises down the road.

For example:
We get a monthly STEM project for her to work on called a 'Tinker Crate'. Her first one had all of the parts to make a Spin Art Machine, and I explained to her the basics of electricity, the concept of a switch, what resistors were, and how to tell them apart. I them went on to explain how electricity and magnetism were related. Next, we looked up videos of generators and motors, since they're the same basic thing, just connected differently. After that, i tore apart an old power brick that we had laying around, to show her how it used magnetic and electric fields to change the voltage to make the device work. I also told her how it changed the current from AC to DC.

After that, we put together her STEM project, and there was a small breadboard with a series of resistors, so she could change the voltage, and thereby change the speed at which the turntable would spin, thereby changing the spread of the paint being dropped on the spinning board.

Now, she's not going to remember all of this instantly, she's only 9, but it's going to be something that she can come back to as she works on other projects, and each time, a little more will stick.

And it only took about 2 1/2. Much better than telling her to go figure it out on her own. This is shiatty advice for parents who don't want to be bothered by their kids, or don't want to admit that they don't know something.
 
2018-02-09 02:13:31 PM  

Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?


You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...
 
2018-02-09 02:18:39 PM  

dk47: No one really knows why the sky is blue.


Actually, yes, we do.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raylei​gh​_scattering#Cause_of_the_blue_color_of​_the_sky

In fact, that was one of the questions that Cliff Stoll had to answer when he was taking his oral examination for his doctorate.
 http://www.passionmakes.us/2009/11/w​hy​-is-the-sky-blue/
 
2018-02-09 02:19:54 PM  

Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...


Haven't you ever looked at a globe, specifically, at the equator?   It's quite clear that there is a seam there.
 
2018-02-09 02:20:01 PM  

Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...


No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".
 
2018-02-09 02:24:55 PM  

darwinpolice: dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.

My parents did this a lot with me, as well. Although I think it was less because it is a good learning experience, and more because it was a good way to get me out of the "Why? Why? Why?" cycle.


Well, we kinda knew we'd only get one chance at it, and that once chance was like hitting the lottery, so we consciously made our best effort.

We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams, too, because he's now 14 and knows everything.  Just ask him.
 
2018-02-09 02:27:32 PM  

guestguy: dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.

Yeah, but now he's super into shortwave radios...poor little fella  ( ._.)


I *WISH*.  He's got precisely zero interest in ham radio.  Even a mild suggestion that he study for his Technician license, so that he can contact me while I'm out and about, is met with contempt.
 
2018-02-09 02:29:00 PM  
The best answer is always "google it"
 
2018-02-09 02:29:58 PM  

dittybopper: dk47: No one really knows why the sky is blue.

Actually, yes, we do.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleig​h_scattering#Cause_of_the_blue_color_o​f_the_sky

In fact, that was one of the questions that Cliff Stoll had to answer when he was taking his oral examination for his doctorate.
 http://www.passionmakes.us/2009/11/wh​y-is-the-sky-blue/


The natural follow-up is to argue philosophically about color realism vs. the subjectivity of color experience, and come to the conclusion that a specific wavelength of light doesn't have an inherent color attached to it.

Or conversely, to claim that the sky is only blue from one particular vantage point, and since it is alternatively black, red, orange, pink, (or invisible) from other vantage points, it is inherently none of those colors.
 
2018-02-09 02:33:04 PM  

Z-clipped: The natural follow-up is to argue philosophically about color realism vs. the subjectivity of color experience, and come to the conclusion that a specific wavelength of light doesn't have an inherent color attached to it.


This sort of thing is why philosophy should be banned.
 
2018-02-09 02:34:07 PM  

Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...

No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".


Well, the answer is basically "the wind".
 
2018-02-09 02:44:45 PM  
So by forcing my kid into an existential crisis I'm actually teaching him critical thinking skills? Somehow i don't think the Mrs is going to approve of my application of this knowledge.
 
2018-02-09 02:51:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...

No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".

Well, the answer is basically "the wind".


Why does a figure skater spin faster when (s)he pulls her arms and legs closer to the center of his/her body, and slow down when (s)he extends them away from it?
 
2018-02-09 02:53:41 PM  

Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...

No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".

Well, the answer is basically "the wind".

Why does a figure skater spin faster when (s)he pulls her arms and legs closer to the center of his/her body, and slow down when (s)he extends them away from it?


We must all conserve angular momentum -- it's the law! :)
 
2018-02-09 02:57:12 PM  
If you *can't* answer your kid's questions, then you should get off your damn phone, and go look it up with them, and show them how to look things up.
 
2018-02-09 03:00:26 PM  

Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...

No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".

Well, the answer is basically "the wind".

Why does a figure skater spin faster when (s)he pulls her arms and legs closer to the center of his/her body, and slow down when (s)he extends them away from it?


Because she still has the same amount of energy in her spin, but she is adjusting the amount of mass that the inertia affects. The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in. It's similar to things slowing down when falling through the air if they are more spread out(have more surface area), but not exactly that. That's just the closest analogue that I can think of for something that I understand, but wouldn't be able to explain exactly to a kid.
 
2018-02-09 03:03:38 PM  

sharpie_69: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

You're telling me that half of the Earth rotates faster than the other half? Yeah, I am kinda keen to learn this one. Please proceed...

No.  I was just trying to preemptively answer the obvious first question "when it's winter, wheresmartass?".

Well, the answer is basically "the wind".

Why does a figure skater spin faster when (s)he pulls her arms and legs closer to the center of his/her body, and slow down when (s)he extends them away from it?

We must all conserve angular momentum -- it's the law! :)


Yes, and the closer to our axis of rotation we concentrate our mass, the more our angular speed increases. So, is there a significant part of the earth's mass that is closer to its center in the winter and farther from it in the summer?
 
2018-02-09 03:07:26 PM  

Mikey1969: The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in.


"The wind" is not the answer.  The large scale structure of the earth's atmospheric flow remains generally constant.
 
2018-02-09 04:10:25 PM  

Z-clipped: Mikey1969: The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in.

"The wind" is not the answer.  The large scale structure of the earth's atmospheric flow remains generally constant.


Actually, it is.
"It turns out that during the Northern Hemisphere winter, the winds - which are predominantly west to east - are stronger," Salstein said.
The more forceful winds double the angular momentum of the atmosphere. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity in nature - the example usually given is the spinning ice skater conserving angular momentum by speeding up when she brings her arms in.


https://www.livescience.com/178-spin-​e​arth-rotation.html

From year to year, winds and air pressure patterns change, causing different forces to act on the solid Earth. During El Niño years, for example, the rotation of the Earth may slow ever so slightly because of stronger winds, increasing the length of a day by a fraction of a millisecond (thousandth of a second).
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/​n​ews/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html

Thanks for playing, though. Love ya, mean it...
 
2018-02-09 04:20:28 PM  

Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?


It doesn't.  It's slower in Northern Winter and faster in Northern Summer.
 
2018-02-09 04:56:02 PM  

Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in.

"The wind" is not the answer.  The large scale structure of the earth's atmospheric flow remains generally constant.

Actually, it is.
"It turns out that during the Northern Hemisphere winter, the winds - which are predominantly west to east - are stronger," Salstein said.
The more forceful winds double the angular momentum of the atmosphere. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity in nature - the example usually given is the spinning ice skater conserving angular momentum by speeding up when she brings her arms in.

https://www.livescience.com/178-spin-e​arth-rotation.html

From year to year, winds and air pressure patterns change, causing different forces to act on the solid Earth. During El Niño years, for example, the rotation of the Earth may slow ever so slightly because of stronger winds, increasing the length of a day by a fraction of a millisecond (thousandth of a second).
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/n​ews/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html

Thanks for playing, though. Love ya, mean it...


The effect accounts for only about 15% of the seasonal increase in angular speed.  The effect I'm referring to is more significant.

How many trees do you think are on the planet?
 
2018-02-09 05:19:26 PM  

Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in.

"The wind" is not the answer.  The large scale structure of the earth's atmospheric flow remains generally constant.

Actually, it is.
"It turns out that during the Northern Hemisphere winter, the winds - which are predominantly west to east - are stronger," Salstein said.
The more forceful winds double the angular momentum of the atmosphere. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity in nature - the example usually given is the spinning ice skater conserving angular momentum by speeding up when she brings her arms in.

https://www.livescience.com/178-spin-e​arth-rotation.html

From year to year, winds and air pressure patterns change, causing different forces to act on the solid Earth. During El Niño years, for example, the rotation of the Earth may slow ever so slightly because of stronger winds, increasing the length of a day by a fraction of a millisecond (thousandth of a second).
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/n​ews/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html

Thanks for playing, though. Love ya, mean it...

The effect accounts for only about 15% of the seasonal increase in angular speed.  The effect I'm referring to is more significant.

How many trees do you think are on the planet?


Less every day. Are you trying to imply that trees in the northern hemisphere losing their leaves in the winter is making the earth spin slower?
 
2018-02-09 05:48:07 PM  

xalres: /just started going over the three states of matter with her, we'll see if it sticks.


What, lying?

/I learned it from you!
 
2018-02-09 06:32:47 PM  

obenchainr:   It doesn't.  It's slower in Northern Winter and faster in Northern Summer.

I was going to say "yes, but let's assume for the sake of fun that it doesn't" but someone  felt the need to piss in the sandbox:

Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: Z-clipped: Mikey1969: The winds around the earth cause the same effect, they add to the "size" of the earth and it's atmosphere, which slows them down like the skater when she extends her arms, and that subsides in the warm season for the northern hemisphere, so it's like the skater bringing her arms in.

"The wind" is not the answer.  The large scale structure of the earth's atmospheric flow remains generally constant.

Actually, it is.
"It turns out that during the Northern Hemisphere winter, the winds - which are predominantly west to east - are stronger," Salstein said.
The more forceful winds double the angular momentum of the atmosphere. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity in nature - the example usually given is the spinning ice skater conserving angular momentum by speeding up when she brings her arms in.

https://www.livescience.com/178-spin-e​arth-rotation.html

From year to year, winds and air pressure patterns change, causing different forces to act on the solid Earth. During El Niño years, for example, the rotation of the Earth may slow ever so slightly because of stronger winds, increasing the length of a day by a fraction of a millisecond (thousandth of a second).
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/n​ews/topstory/2003/0210rotation.html

Thanks for playing, though. Love ya, mean it...

The effect accounts for only about 15% of the seasonal increase in angular speed.  The effect I'm referring to is more significant.

How many trees do you think are on the planet?

Less every day. Are you trying to imply that trees in the northern hemisphere losing their leaves in the winter is making the earth spin slower?


No. I'm implying that, when all the various factors contributing to the variation in the Earth's angular speed (of which the interactions with atmospheric gases are only a small part) are accounted for, the final results are significantly and measurably affected by the change in moment of inertia caused by the vertical movement of water and biomass, to which - yes - the leaves, fruit, sap, and pine cones falling from the approximately 1.7 trillion deciduous and boreal trees (the vast majority of which are located in the northern hemisphere) along with some other perennial vegetation represents a large contribution.

I tried to state the question in a simple, straightforward way, so that it could be a fun thought experiment (along with a nice little Fermi problem sanity check at the end) because that kind of exercise is exactly what TFA is about.

Rather than stop and play a game for a minute, you went straight to Google and allowed your ego to rob you of the pleasure of solving a fun physics puzzle (as well as robbing you of your good manners, apparently).  So well done on your part, I guess.
 
2018-02-09 06:42:09 PM  
That's a good way to teach your kid not to bother talking to you.
My best trick was to answer my kid twice, once using some big words, then restating it with easy words. Saying it again with easy words.
 
2018-02-09 07:51:58 PM  

xalres: big pig peaches: Well, yes it's good for them to work out somethings, but at some point you have to intervene with the right information. A 5 year old is never going to figure out that air molecules scatter blue light more than other wavelengths.

Just don't be afraid to give them information that is over their heads. I always explain that just because you don't understand it now doesn't mean you'll never understand it. Thinking about stuff that's hard is like exercising your brain.

This. My oldest is only 2 so I can't tell her to look things up yet. I try to make sure i actually know the answer before I tell her why things are the way they are. I freely admit when I don't know something and then I'll find a video on YouTube from a good source and we'll both learn something.

/just started going over the three states of matter with her, we'll see if it sticks.
//yes I know there are more, I'm keeping it simple.


My wife and I modeled "how to have an effective argument" in front of our toddler when we disagreed about whether to teach three states of matter or if I should start getting into plasma. So many birds with that stone!
 
2018-02-09 07:56:09 PM  

EmptyCup: Couldn't disagree with article more.

Kids don't have a friggin clue as to why the sky is blue and will not come up with the answer. Give them the correct answer and explain it so they can understand it. You will give them an appreciation for the world around them and a deeper knowledge and understanding of the world they live in. They will also know early on that even though things are complex that an answer is there.

This is one of my favorite parts of being a parent. If I don't know we look it up. Now my kids actually know how to look up things and how to dig deep for an answer. It often goes down rabbit holes of learning.

What kind of even CLOSE to correct answer do you think a kid will come up with for why the sky is blue? This isn't encouraging creativity. Kids are hungry for knowledge - don't hold it back FFS. Tell them why it's blue.


The first step of the scientific method is hypothesis. I actually wish that someone had asked me these questions! For years I literally didn't understand the concept of a hypothesis because every question was answered by looking it up. I really though science was just collecting facts that we already knew. So. There IS a reason for it.

/you know and then guide your child after they form their hypothesis
//and encourage alternate theories
///and nudge them towards the right answer/research
 
2018-02-09 09:09:09 PM  

Solty Dog: If I asked my parents a question, I was told to, "look it up." I spent a lot of time reading and gaining knowledge. Kids have to learn to fend for themselves, of they will be led around by the nose and will grow up and elect the first idiot that comes along and does the thinking for them.


Eh, it's a balance. Some things they just don't know. I explained--and still explain--plenty of things to the kidlet, because she's not an adult, doesn't have the knowledge of an adult, and it's not fair to expect her to see me as nothing more than a glorified Eliza program. But I do certainly direct her to things she can study and learn from, and we've already started on critical thinking skills.
 
2018-02-10 12:46:36 PM  

dittybopper: darwinpolice: dittybopper: Actually this approach is what we took with the littlebopper.  Every single thing, no matter how mundane, was a learning experience.

My parents did this a lot with me, as well. Although I think it was less because it is a good learning experience, and more because it was a good way to get me out of the "Why? Why? Why?" cycle.

Well, we kinda knew we'd only get one chance at it, and that once chance was like hitting the lottery, so we consciously made our best effort.

We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams, too, because he's now 14 and knows everything.  Just ask him.


Holy crap, that is an incredible story, and I'm so happy that it worked out the way it did for everyone involved.

...kinda wish you'd kept the name Boy Doe, though. :)
 
2018-02-10 04:25:54 PM  

obenchainr: Z-clipped: Hey farkers,

Why does the Earth rotate more slowly around its axis in the summer (in the northern hemisphere) and more quickly in the winter?

It doesn't.  It's slower in Northern Winter and faster in Northern Summer.


This got a smart?   Don't they teach conservation of momentum these days?

/or that a standard day is constant (discounting geological periods of time) and consists of a full rotation of the earth around its axis
 
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