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2018-02-09 03:57:12 PM  

fictional_character: The Dog Ate My Homework: One thing I've become acutely aware of in the past few years is how geography and health are correlated. I grew up in Kansas and my family is from southern Indiana, two places where obesity is a visible obvious epidemic. Here in Colorado, obesity is the exception. My children have lived most of their lives in this culture, so when we travel, one the first things they notice is how fat the rest of the country is in comparison. Colorado grocery stores are filled with the same garbage as grocery stores in the rest of the country, and we have the same high-calorie restaurants as you'll find elsewhere. It just comes down to a different culture. We're not genetically superior in Colorado. A lot of us just choose to live healthy lifestyles.

In fact, it's the altitude keeping you mostly thin as opposed to grossly obese.

Lost 5 solid pounds (not water weight) staying there for a week at 7,000 feet, and I don't normally have 5 pounds extra to lose, let alone on vacation.


Interesting. I had never heard of this and had to go google it cause it sounded ridiculous. Thanks for passing this on.
 
2018-02-09 04:13:49 PM  
I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.
 
2018-02-09 04:20:55 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: No sh*t.  I live in a college town, which is affluent and well-educated.  And every time I go grocery shopping, I see people with shopping carts full of poor food choices.  Processed over fresh.  Junk food over healthy.

People like what they like, which is usually what they grew up with.  And because we've had an unhealthy diet for a couple generations now, what people grew up with is crap.


THIS. I got the stink-eye for buying steak and fresh veggies when I got SNAP. That steak and potatoes and onion and bell peppers got turned into 9 meals and frozen.$30 lasted me two farking weeks.
 
2018-02-09 04:26:14 PM  

Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.


Your honor. The prosecution would like to introduce Exhibit A.

Alright you guys have fun in this thread. I'm out.
 
2018-02-09 04:57:08 PM  

Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.


Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.
 
2018-02-09 05:21:24 PM  

BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.


This. I'm trying to learn on my own but it's time consuming and I'm not very good at it yet. I figure it will be worth it in the long run but I'm in over my head right now. I can make simple meals. The stuff I make is edible, mostly, but rather bland. I'm just learning how to cook a good steak but I have no idea about spices or how to make most things from scratch. There's a cost involved in learning to cook too. I don't have a kitchen decked out with fancy gadgets and the best cookware and can't afford a bunch of new stuff so I make due with what I have. The other thing is waste. Fresh food spoils. There's been a bit of learning curve figuring out how much to buy at a time. This would be a lot easier if I had someone to show me the ropes or I could afford to take some classes.
 
2018-02-09 05:52:14 PM  
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2018-02-09 06:50:32 PM  

MechaPyx: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay. Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs? I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch. This. I'm trying to learn on my own but it's time consuming and I'm not very good at it yet. I figure it will be worth it in the long run but I'm in over my head right now. I can make simple meals. The stuff I make is edible, mostly, but rather bland. I'm just learning how to cook a good steak but I have no idea about spices or how to make most things from scratch. There's a cost involved in learning to cook too. I don't have a kitchen decked out with fancy gadgets and the best cookware and can't afford a bunch of new stuff so I make due with what I have. The other thing is waste. Fresh food spoils. There's been a bit of learning curve figuring out how much to buy at a time. This would be a lot easier if I had someone to show me the ropes or I could afford to take some classes.


Give Chef John's stuff a try.

He's got the written recipe on his blog and then on his youtube channel you can watch him make the dish so you know what you're in for.

Like I said earlier, some of his stuff is kind of fancy, but he also hits a lot of popular regional dishes and plain old staple foods.


Swedish Meatballs Recipe -- Beef & Pork Meatballs with Creamy Brown Gravy
Youtube 55MIeoPaBC4


Also, there's some nice humor in the videos to keep them from being dull.
 
2018-02-09 07:07:07 PM  

Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.


Rice, beans, chicken and some vegetables are a budget buster?
 
2018-02-09 07:09:16 PM  
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2018-02-09 07:25:19 PM  
I saw a number recently on the cost difference between unhealthy and healthy food and it was surprisingly small.  For the very poor, this makes a difference, but for the well-to-do working and middle classes, it makes no real difference. A few percent either way on say, 20% of your diet won't break you.

I problem is that if healthy is defined as fresh, a lot more healthy food is thrown away than canned, frozen or dehydrated food. I know from my own experience that I throw away a lot of "healthy" food because it wilts, spoils, gets stale or simply sits there too long.

You need to be able to pick up the tiny bottle of peanut butter or mayonnaise, ignore the fruit and vegetables you are not going to eat, and leave the baked goods in the bakery. Then start eating a little bit more until you are sure you can eat what you buy and buy what you eat.

I used to throw away nearly full bottles of commercially prepared mayonnaise because I didn't want to get food-poisoning. I now realize that that mayonnaise is so full of vinegar, fat, salt, sugar and other excellent preservatives that I could leave the bootle out on a shelf instead of keeping it in the refrigerator, and if I do keep it in the fridge, it is nearly indestructible and might survive a nuclear explosion better than Indiana Jones, which is to say miraculously.
 
2018-02-09 07:36:24 PM  
 
2018-02-09 07:37:42 PM  

Number 216: Please tell me there's a recipe for that monstrosity. Looks like a bacon explosion but filled with chili and mac and cheese


I would guess that you make macaroni and cheese, and chili if you want. Then make a bacon weave and wrap that bacon weave around the mac/cheese/chili burrito-style.

Krieghund: Because eating some roughage every once in awhile helps you take some quality shiats?


This is why things like broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, carrots, and green beans exist. All these are much tastier than iceberg lettuce with ranch dressing on it, at least IMHO.

ZeroPly: Because colorectal cancer sorta sucks, and nothing tastes so good that it's worth having to regularly dump out a colostomy bag?


Eating nothing but bacon burritos would probably have bad effects on your health. I think there's room for most people to eat a bacon burrito a few times a year without getting colon cancer though.
 
2018-02-09 07:40:19 PM  

BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.


WTF is wrong with you dude?? When I was growing up my mom used to make BIG pots of that shiat...she called them "soup beans" my parents allegedly loved them. They were disgusting. I suspect this was a money saving thing, but to this day, I will never eat any kind of bean that is in any kind of soup (outside chilli)
 
2018-02-09 07:48:45 PM  

Geoff Peterson: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

WTF is wrong with you dude?? When I was growing up my mom used to make BIG pots of that shiat...she called them "soup beans" my parents allegedly loved them. They were disgusting. I suspect this was a money saving thing, but to this day, I will never eat any kind of bean that is in any kind of soup (outside chilli)


I've found the problem. Your mom can't cook.
 
2018-02-09 07:51:08 PM  

MechaPyx: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

This. I'm trying to learn on my own but it's time consuming and I'm not very good at it yet. I figure it will be worth it in the long run but I'm in over my head right now. I can make simple meals. The stuff I make is edible, mostly, but rather bland. I'm just learning how to cook a good steak but I have no idea about spices or how to make most things from scratch. There's a cost involved in learning to cook too. I don't have a kitchen decked out with fancy gadgets and the best cookware and can't afford a bunch of new stuff so I make due with what I have. The other thing is waste. Fresh food spoils. There's been a bit of learning curve figuring out how much to buy at a time. This would be a lot easier if I had someone to show me the ropes or I could afford to take some classes.


I have THE CRAPPIEST food processor out there and access to a Cub foods.

 Learn how to make 3 good sauces to throw on anything, you're golden.
Thai peanut sauce (I posted a recipe up in the thread)
Pesto
Tomato sauce.

That's it.  Just make a basic batch of anything, rice and beans, pasta and veggies, quinoa and chicken breasts, whatever, and throw some sauce over it.

Don't let cooking intimidate you.  It's easier than you think.
 
2018-02-09 07:52:59 PM  

MechaPyx: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

This. I'm trying to learn on my own but it's time consuming and I'm not very good at it yet. I figure it will be worth it in the long run but I'm in over my head right now. I can make simple meals. The stuff I make is edible, mostly, but rather bland. I'm just learning how to cook a good steak but I have no idea about spices or how to make most things from scratch. There's a cost involved in learning to cook too. I don't have a kitchen decked out with fancy gadgets and the best cookware and can't afford a bunch of new stuff so I make due with what I have. The other thing is waste. Fresh food spoils. There's been a bit of learning curve figuring out how much to buy at a time. This would be a lot easier if I had someone to show me the ropes or I could afford to take some classes.


Also, as to waste:. Freezer freezer freezer.  Get some Ziploc bags, portion everything out, defrost whatever you need.
 
2018-02-09 07:58:09 PM  

feralbaby: Also, as to waste:. Freezer freezer freezer. Get some Ziploc bags, portion everything out, defrost whatever you need.


Yup. If there is anything you learn fast from shopping at Costco/Sams Club, etc.

Don't buy produce unless you intend to cook it first.
Don't buy large amounts of things that spoil unless it freezes well.
 
2018-02-09 09:39:33 PM  

Geoff Peterson: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

WTF is wrong with you dude?? When I was growing up my mom used to make BIG pots of that shiat...she called them "soup beans" my parents allegedly loved them. They were disgusting. I suspect this was a money saving thing, but to this day, I will never eat any kind of bean that is in any kind of soup (outside chilli)


When I was a kid, meatloaf was ground beef stuffed in a breadpan with ketchup squirted on top, baked to medium well.

Just because it's the way your parents made it, doesn't mean it's "right" or "tasty".
 
2018-02-09 09:47:22 PM  

Thingster: Geoff Peterson: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

WTF is wrong with you dude?? When I was growing up my mom used to make BIG pots of that shiat...she called them "soup beans" my parents allegedly loved them. They were disgusting. I suspect this was a money saving thing, but to this day, I will never eat any kind of bean that is in any kind of soup (outside chilli)

When I was a kid, meatloaf was ground beef stuffed in a breadpan with ketchup squirted on top, baked to medium well.

Just because it's the way your parents made it, doesn't mean it's "right" or "tasty".


There are certain foods I can't eat to this day b/c my mom's recipe was so bad. Michael Symon could make meatloaf, and I'd still have trouble getting excited about it. Beef stroganof is the other. But my grandmother's manicotti, now that shiat was awesome.
 
2018-02-09 09:57:48 PM  

Trocadero: Thingster: Geoff Peterson: BullBearMS: Geoff Peterson: I dont care what anyone says. Eating healthy is more expensive. it just is. and the healthier you eat, the more you pay.

Do you have any idea how cheap a big bag of pinto beans are or how much better they are for you than french fries despite also being carbs?

I think a large part of the problem is that people have relied on convenience foods for so long that we no longer pass on how to cook from scratch.

WTF is wrong with you dude?? When I was growing up my mom used to make BIG pots of that shiat...she called them "soup beans" my parents allegedly loved them. They were disgusting. I suspect this was a money saving thing, but to this day, I will never eat any kind of bean that is in any kind of soup (outside chilli)

When I was a kid, meatloaf was ground beef stuffed in a breadpan with ketchup squirted on top, baked to medium well.

Just because it's the way your parents made it, doesn't mean it's "right" or "tasty".

There are certain foods I can't eat to this day b/c my mom's recipe was so bad. Michael Symon could make meatloaf, and I'd still have trouble getting excited about it. Beef stroganof is the other. But my grandmother's manicotti, now that shiat was awesome.


I totally understand.  Meatloaf and green bean casserole.

Meat loaf was as above, green bean casserole (from my Grandma) was 2 cans green beans, 1 can cream of mushroom soup, 1 can onion crisps, in oven, bake.

/Make a killer meatloaf and a green bean casserole that will shut down the conversation at dinner
//It's how I really expanded my cooking horizons; how to make everything my mom and maternal grandmother made palatable
///Dad was a hell of a cook, so I had solid fundamentals.
 
2018-02-09 10:21:35 PM  

Trocadero: There are certain foods I can't eat to this day b/c my mom's recipe was so bad.


My mother absolutely ruined any cut of meat she got her hands on by overcooking it until it was just inedible.

It made you long for deep fried or boiled meats because anything baked, broiled, or pan fried was just inedible.

Meanwhile, Dad liked his meats pretty much slightly warmed and bloody.

I had to start cooking early out of self defense. :oP
 
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