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2018-02-09 11:48:11 AM  
Pretty much sums it up. We have seen unhealthy eating, and we like it.
 
2018-02-09 11:52:46 AM  

smd31: I was doing my normal grocery shopping last night and was looking at getting a different spaghetti sauce than I usually get (Ragu Italian Sausage and Garlic).  Found one I was interested in and it was "organic" or whatever (all natural, no added sugar, etc, small company).  I was like, sure I'll try it once...then I looked at the price.  $6.50 for 1 jar?!?!  Haha no....no thanks, I'll stick with my $2 jar.  If it had been $3 or 4


Helpful Hint:  Add a little white wine or vermouth to the sauce while it's warming up and it'll taste 1000% better.
 
2018-02-09 11:57:13 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: One thing I've become acutely aware of in the past few years is how geography and health are correlated. I grew up in Kansas and my family is from southern Indiana, two places where obesity is a visible obvious epidemic. Here in Colorado, obesity is the exception. My children have lived most of their lives in this culture, so when we travel, one the first things they notice is how fat the rest of the country is in comparison. Colorado grocery stores are filled with the same garbage as grocery stores in the rest of the country, and we have the same high-calorie restaurants as you'll find elsewhere. It just comes down to a different culture. We're not genetically superior in Colorado. A lot of us just choose to live healthy lifestyles.


You can see that in pretty much any major airport in America. Look at where the flight is going. Flyover: lard asses.  LA/Denver/Seattle: More or less fit people.

/ lives in flyover
 
2018-02-09 11:57:33 AM  

d23: AugieDoggyDaddy: Ask your self why have the grocery stores moved out of urban areas? Maybe because they are not profitable? Whose money do you propose to get a suburban grocery chain? Some millionaire philanthropist?

I don't know what the fark you are talking about.   I didn't make a commentary on the stores moving out.

Oh... and good luck on your corporate worship.  I don't happen to put profit before everything.  Kay? Bye bye now.

Dude,really you say bye bye and run away?
From you own post "Grocery stores have moved out of urban areas"Okay, that's not a commentary,it's just a comment.So technical you are correct.
Business needs to make a profit to stay in business. That's not corporate worship.   You computer, ISP, electricity.  Are those locally sourced,  organic, not for profit

and environmentally friendly?
Would you prefer to wait in line for 8 hour in -20 weather to buy beets and bread and vodka?
 
2018-02-09 12:00:02 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: I like using this.  As something sprinkled on cooked food, meh, it tastes a little chemical-y.  Cooked into food, not ...


Meh. Besides, most of the time the 2lb block of Amish butter I buy has just enough salt in it that when a pat is mixed around in a bowl of steamed broccoli for instance, I don't need to add any additional salt for me. Although there's a lot of times I just eat vegetables plain, too.
 
2018-02-09 12:03:32 PM  
Food preferences are shaped from childhood.

Really? Because my parents couldn't cook for shiat.

If my childhood shaped anything, it's what I sure as hell DON'T want to eat ever again. My dad was from the Irish/English "boil everything until it falls apart" school, and I don't know what happened with my mom. Her brother taught himself Chinese cooking, her other relatives' skills ranged from excellent to outstanding...but aside from deviled eggs, my mom was a menace in the kitchen. She may have been the only person who could screw up boxed macaroni and cheese. If she felt her meals needed a little something extra there was only one solution: add canned mushrooms. And make sure they're good and rubbery.

I taught myself how to cook simple stuff when I got to middle school, so that I would have already had dinner by the time my folks got home. Also, we had a neighbor who had a quarter-acre garden and would regularly supply us with veggies that even my mom couldn't screw up. I ate Swiss chard by the crate as a result.

The people who did shape my food preferences were the women I dated, and the one I eventually married. Nothing motivates a guy to raise his cooking and nutritional game like a beautiful woman cooking the best steak he's ever had on a $3.99 disposable Walmart grill.
 
2018-02-09 12:06:12 PM  

FizixJunkee: smd31: I was doing my normal grocery shopping last night and was looking at getting a different spaghetti sauce than I usually get (Ragu Italian Sausage and Garlic).  Found one I was interested in and it was "organic" or whatever (all natural, no added sugar, etc, small company).  I was like, sure I'll try it once...then I looked at the price.  $6.50 for 1 jar?!?!  Haha no....no thanks, I'll stick with my $2 jar.  If it had been $3 or 4

Helpful Hint:  Add a little white wine or vermouth to the sauce while it's warming up and it'll taste 1000% better.


You sir (or madame) have my attention. I've done red wine in pasta sauce but never white. Vermouth... white dry or sweet red?
 
2018-02-09 12:12:36 PM  
The fun thing about threads like this one is reading comments from people justifying the poor quality food they buy.  Justifying because they don't have time to cook from scratch, or because buying better quality food is too expensive, etc.  And then we wonder why doctors say our worst health issues (obesity, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure) are largely preventable with diet (and exercise).
 
2018-02-09 12:13:37 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

I'll add, if one doesn't care about healthy food then that is fine. We all have different goals, needs and wants.
My post was targeted to the "But it costs too much money and takes too much time" crowd.


I have to disagree.  I think we're not considering practical issues in many homes, especially lower-income homes.

A common scenario:
-Mom gets up at 6, makes breakfast, packs lunches, leaves at 8 and works 9-6, home by 7
-Dad gets up at 5:30, leaves at 6 and works 7-4, home by 4:30
-Kids need to be ready for school by 7:45 each morning
-Kids get home from school at 4:30
-Kids need help with homework in the evenings
-Kids need to be in bed at 8:30
-Housework and laundry have to be done
-Shopping has to be done
-Basic errands take a long time because the family relies on the bus
-Parent's have managed to manage the budget to let Susan play soccer on Tuesday evenings and give Billy piano lessons on Thursdays after school.
-Kids need (and have a right to) down-time for playing and fun.

It's easy to see where you might find it extremely difficult to have time for a healthy meal prepared from scratch. An hour in the evening can be very hard to come by.  It's not surprising that using prepared foods can be frequently the only way to manage the hours in a day.

This has nothing to do with laziness, lack of information or parenting skills. it has everything to do with the way we have designed so much of our economy and life structure around things that make it harder, not easier, to make family life a priority.
 
2018-02-09 12:14:05 PM  

d23: Grocery stores have moved out of urban areas and the poor don't often have a car.


As someone who lives in an urban area and has traveled extensively across the US and the rest of the world, what urban areas are you talking about here?

I live in a "bad" neighborhood in Chicago, and can walk to three different grocery stores less than 10 minutes each from my door, and there are a couple of bodega type stores on my block that carry full selections of meat and produce.  If anything, it's easier for me to cook at home in the city than it ever was when I lived in the suburbs, because if I forgot an ingredient I just run to the corner instead of having to get into my car, drive a mile or two, park, go in, shop, pay, and drive back home.
 
2018-02-09 12:16:28 PM  
Yep. I've always had access to healthy food, but only changed my diet to healthy food when I decided I wanted to eat better and lose weight.

/ Down 50 lbs in a year.
// Did it by controlling portion size, eating better foods and exercising.
/// Still enjoy the occasional buffalo wing, burger, etc. but in moderation and in a reasonable quantity.
 
2018-02-09 12:16:59 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: FizixJunkee: smd31: I was doing my normal grocery shopping last night and was looking at getting a different spaghetti sauce than I usually get (Ragu Italian Sausage and Garlic).  Found one I was interested in and it was "organic" or whatever (all natural, no added sugar, etc, small company).  I was like, sure I'll try it once...then I looked at the price.  $6.50 for 1 jar?!?!  Haha no....no thanks, I'll stick with my $2 jar.  If it had been $3 or 4

Helpful Hint:  Add a little white wine or vermouth to the sauce while it's warming up and it'll taste 1000% better.

You sir (or madame) have my attention. I've done red wine in pasta sauce but never white. Vermouth... white dry or sweet red?


Any alcohol will release alcohol-soluble flavor compounds in the tomatoes.
 
2018-02-09 12:21:58 PM  

anustart: AlanMooresBeard: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

I'll add, if one doesn't care about healthy food then that is fine. We all have different goals, needs and wants.
My post was targeted to the "But it costs too much money and takes too much time" crowd.

I have to disagree.  I think we're not considering practical issues in many homes, especially lower-income homes.

A common scenario:
-Mom gets up at 6, makes breakfast, packs lunches, leaves at 8 and works 9-6, home by 7
-Dad gets up at 5:30, leaves at 6 and works 7-4, home by 4:30
-Kids need to be ready for school by 7:45 each morning
-Kids get home from school at 4:30
-Kids need help with homework in the evenings
-Kids need to be in bed at 8:30
-Housework and laundry have to be done
-Shopping has to be done
-Basic errands take a long time because the family relies on the bus
-Parent's have managed to manage the budget to let Susan play soccer on Tuesday evenings and give Billy piano lessons on Thursdays after school.
-Kids need (and have a right to) down-time for playing and fun.

It's easy to see where you might find it extremely difficult to have time for a healthy meal prepared from scratch. An hour in the evening can be very hard to come by.  It's not surprising that using prepared foods can be frequently the only way to manage the hours in a day.

This has nothing to do with laziness, lack of information or parenting skills. it has everything to do with the way we have designed so much of our economy and life structure around things that make it harder, not easier, to make family life a priority.


Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".
 
2018-02-09 12:22:13 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: The fun thing about threads like this one is reading comments from people justifying the poor quality food they buy.  Justifying because they don't have time to cook from scratch, or because buying better quality food is too expensive, etc.  And then we wonder why doctors say our worst health issues (obesity, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure) are largely preventable with diet (and exercise).


This is why socialized healthcare is so appealing. You can save a lot of money AND buy more unhealthy food!
 
2018-02-09 12:22:41 PM  
I changed my diet to avoid highly processed foods and added sugar (I avoid food with anything more than 3 grams of sugar per serving) and I've lost weight and expanded my food choices. Expanded because now I can eat stuff without craving it to be so sweet. Eating "clean" doesn't have to bust your budget if you can plan out what you want to get at the supermarket beforehand.

*And on this picture, I would change "Eat food" to "Eat more natural food".

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2018-02-09 12:22:47 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: One thing I've become acutely aware of in the past few years is how geography and health are correlated. I grew up in Kansas and my family is from southern Indiana, two places where obesity is a visible obvious epidemic. Here in Colorado, obesity is the exception. My children have lived most of their lives in this culture, so when we travel, one the first things they notice is how fat the rest of the country is in comparison. Colorado grocery stores are filled with the same garbage as grocery stores in the rest of the country, and we have the same high-calorie restaurants as you'll find elsewhere. It just comes down to a different culture. We're not genetically superior in Colorado. A lot of us just choose to live healthy lifestyles.


As someone who grew up and currently lives in Southern Indiana, but whose husband is from Western Montana (I lived there for a couple of years with him), this is the absolute truth. I think a lot of it is the culture and the rest is the actual environmental climate where outdoor activity is encouraged and is actually enjoyable. The oppressive heat and humidity here in Indiana is not conducive to me wanting to go for a walk much less anything else more strenuous past the end of of May. But out west with 20% or less humidity? Even the 90's don't phase me and I still enjoy my mountain hike. I was a lot thinner, healthier, and happier out west.

I've also noticed that on the whole people out west take an almost European approach to eating. Wholesome, whole food meals, with smaller portions and a focus on a fresher preparation. Here and in much of the Midwest where I've visited, it's all overly salted, overly sugared, and overly cooked. And fat people abound.

In a pregnancy craving fit I went to the local Chinese buffet with my grandmother the other day. I mostly eat their stir-fried vegetables and a few pieces of General Tso's chicken. I don't know how they cook those green beans and onions like that, but mmm. I'm fat, I'll readily admit it, as I've struggled with PCOS and insulin resistance my entire adult life. But at home, I try to eat as healthy as I possibly can. And I do splurge once in a while, because you can't be good all of the time. That's why God/Goddess/no one invented the "cheat day". ;)

But after watching obese patron after obese patron walk back and forth with literal mountains of food on their tiny plates, over and over, it really started to bother me on their behalf. My grandmother and I both, quite independently of each other, noticed we were the "thinnest" people dining in there that day. She quietly mentioned it out loud to me, and I was merely thinking it to myself till she said something. And that speaks volumes when my senile 92yo grandmother who can't remember what day of the week it is notices that, she usually doesn't notice other people from my experience. I then wondered what the thin Chinese owners and their family who run and staff the place must think of us on the whole. And it made me sad for my fellow Americans in general. I've got my own demons, sure. But I do try, where most of these people just don't seem to care...
 
2018-02-09 12:22:51 PM  

anustart: AlanMooresBeard: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

I'll add, if one doesn't care about healthy food then that is fine. We all have different goals, needs and wants.
My post was targeted to the "But it costs too much money and takes too much time" crowd.

I have to disagree.  I think we're not considering practical issues in many homes, especially lower-income homes.

A common scenario:
-Mom gets up at 6, makes breakfast, packs lunches, leaves at 8 and works 9-6, home by 7
-Dad gets up at 5:30, leaves at 6 and works 7-4, home by 4:30
-Kids need to be ready for school by 7:45 each morning
-Kids get home from school at 4:30
-Kids need help with homework in the evenings
-Kids need to be in bed at 8:30
-Housework and laundry have to be done
-Shopping has to be done
-Basic errands take a long time because the family relies on the bus
-Parent's have managed to manage the budget to let Susan play soccer on Tuesday evenings and give Billy piano lessons on Thursdays after school.
-Kids need (and have a right to) down-time for playing and fun.

It's easy to see where you might find it extremely difficult to have time for a healthy meal prepared from scratch. An hour in the evening can be very hard to come by.  It's not surprising that using prepared foods can be frequently the only way to manage the hours in a day.

This has nothing to do with laziness, lack of information or parenting skills. it has everything to do with the way we have designed so much of our economy and life structure around things that make it harder, not easier, to make family life a priority.


This is true, and even being single, the thought of preparing meals gets tiresome.
 But still, things like fruits and nuts are about as "prepared" of a food as you can get.  And nutrition per calorie- wise, nuts are the better bet over chips.  Obesity rates in kids still being what they are, food choice still factors into the problem at least somewhat.
 
2018-02-09 12:23:32 PM  

feralbaby: feralbaby: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

Exactly.  Get a cheap rice cooker with a steamer basket.  Voila, quinoa and veggies with the same amount of effort it takes to rip open a frozen lasagna and nuke it. Learn how to make a Thai peanut sauce and you will never want for tastiness again.

PEANUT DIPPING SAUCE
1/3 cup natural peanut butter
1/3 cup warm water
1 clove of garlic, minced
1 ½ teaspoons grated or minced ginger
2 tablespoons rice vinegar
2 teaspoons lime juice
2 teaspoons agave or honey
1 ½ teaspoons soy sauce

https://www.thugkitchen.com/grilled_su​gar_snap_peas_with_peanut_dip_sauce

Just had to pass on.  Throw this on everything and anything and thank me whenever you're done NOM-ing.


Not to rain on your parade, but a google search reveals that peanut butter is 100 calories and 8g of fat per tablespoon ... that's a healthy alternative ?

Steamed veggies aren't particularly tasty.
Now, if healthy food was as tasty and readily-accessible as the rotisserie chicken that I pick up from the grocery store, I'd be interested. Although, I'm not sure how healthy the pre-made dishes behind the deli counter, are. I'm guessing they will come out a news expose about how unhealthy it is, about a month after I integrate it into my diet.
 
2018-02-09 12:26:27 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: feralbaby: Rapmaster2000: I suppose if I only ate dried rice and beans then I could come out ahead, but decent food cooked yourself is not inexpensive.  The $1 Menu is inexpensive and the time cost is significantly less.

I've never been satisfied for very long with anything off of the dollar menu. Spend a little more for  bulk items and you have leftovers for days.

I've found that the more nutritious a food is with me, the more it fills me.
Whenever I do fast food I find myself hungry pretty soon. I have never really looked into it but I have to wonder if hunger is not only triggered by volume of food in the stomach but quality.


So much this. These past few days, I've eaten at McD's a couple of times because I had to move really quickly (due to a neighbor's negligence) and haven't had time to set my kitchen back up yet.  Granted, I tend to shy away from the larger hamburgers, but even with the Little Big Mac, fries and drink, I would expect that I would be full for a few hours.  But both times, I was like, 'I could go for a little something else', and it had been barely two hours since I'd eaten.  The other time I got Chipotle with black beans and brown rice, and chicken/beef mix.  Stayed fuller longer.  Picked up a poached salmon sushi at Whole Foods. Stayed fuller longer.

The other thing the article talked about was intergenerational habits.  It brought me back to how I have rarely purchased canned veggies or fruit my entire adult life (even when I was living in a not so nice area when I was starting out), and when I was growing up, we always had canned corn, green beans, peaches, etc. regularly.  A few years back, I went to my mother's house for dinner:  fried snapper, cheese spaghetti, and french fries.  Even though that was a familiar dinner growing up, I have never made that for myself.  I remember thinking, 'there are no veggies on this plate'.  My brother, though, still eats like that - and as a result is on Metformin.
 
2018-02-09 12:27:39 PM  

AllUpInYa: feralbaby: feralbaby: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

Exactly.  Get a cheap rice cooker with a steamer basket.  Voila, quinoa and veggies with the same amount of effort it takes to rip open a frozen lasagna and nuke it. Learn how to make a Thai peanut sauce and you will never want for tastiness again.

PEANUT DIPPING SAUCE
1/3 cup natural peanut butter
1/3 cup warm water
1 clove of garlic, minced
1 ½ teaspoons grated or minced ginger
2 tablespoons rice vinegar
2 teaspoons lime juice
2 teaspoons agave or honey
1 ½ teaspoons soy sauce

https://www.thugkitchen.com/grilled_su​gar_snap_peas_with_peanut_dip_sauce

Just had to pass on.  Throw this on everything and anything and thank me whenever you're done NOM-ing.

Not to rain on your parade, but a google search reveals that peanut butter is 100 calories and 8g of fat per tablespoon ... that's a healthy alternative ?

Steamed veggies aren't particularly tasty.
Now, if healthy food was as tasty and readily-accessible as the rotisserie chicken that I pick up from the grocery store, I'd be interested. Although, I'm not sure how healthy the pre-made dishes behind the deli counter, are. I'm guessing they will come out a news expose about how unhealthy it is, about a month after I integrate it into my diet.


Those are good fats, and you only need about a spoonful of this stuff.  You don't use this the way you use mayonnaise.
And the stuff that makes crap food tasty is the same stuff that makes healthy food tasty.  Eat a burger without seasoning and see if you don't go for the spicy roasted kale chips instead.
 
2018-02-09 12:27:59 PM  

mrsleep: Whats the point?
I lived across the street from a guy that was a health nut, exercised every day, ate a healthy diet, no drinking, no smoking, had a heart attack at 44. My grandfather ate the worst diet possible, lots of fatty and greasy foods, was about 50 lbs overweight, lived into his 90's. My great grandmother smoked and gambled till she died in her 90's.

You might as well live a lifestyle that makes you happy.


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Carpe Diem!!!
 
2018-02-09 12:42:34 PM  
Because  fresh fruits and vegetables rot in a couple days if not consumed which means going shopping two or three times a week, instead of once every other week. That means an extra 40 hours a month if I walk to the store or $30/m for bus tickets or $20 for fuel.

/and too much fruit gives me diarrhea.
 
2018-02-09 12:42:45 PM  
I think a big part of it is people don't know how to cook. When they try, they don't cook it well so the healthy food tastes bad. So they assume all healthy food like vegetables taste bad.
 
2018-02-09 12:46:26 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".


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2018-02-09 12:47:36 PM  
I frequently eat fast food. I'm healthy by all medical and physical accounts. Genetics and activity level are a huge part of it. Also I don't eat huge portions.
 
2018-02-09 12:51:13 PM  

lilistonic: Thingster: lilistonic: My middle daughter and her little family stayed with us last week. They are vegetarian and sometimes vegan, so I made sweet potato and barley stew, and other such things, and that was fine for the week. But after they left, I cooked 10 lbs of pork shoulder and divided it for carnitas and pulled pork sandwiches for the rest of us to enjoy for a few days.

Yesterday someone on Twitter was haranguing people about hating animals if they weren't vegan. It wasn't even subtle. But I don't think I'd enjoy life as much without ceviche, sashimi, carpaccio, and crudo when I can get those, and sometimes lovely chunks of tender delicious pork. And eggs, lots of eggs. I tend to crave foods with lots of B12, but I don't have the enzyme to digest it so I have to have shots or tablets.

Anyway. I just think we need to strive for balance for our individual needs. I think for most people it feels unnatural to eliminate huge swathes of food, and also cook so many different things than they adapted to throughout life, so they go for what's easiest. My upbringing was a little unusual for the time and place, and I was exposed to a broader variety of foods and cuisines than my peers, so some of the food challenges are easier for me. As I age, I still want to retain as wide a variety as possible, but it does require time and energy (or else having a great deal of money) to do it healthfully all the time. I spend more money on less beef and chicken to have it come from good sources, and use smaller amounts in my cooking. Etcetera.

To go along with this, it isn't that expensive to eat healthy *if* (big if) you have the money to do things like buy whole cuts of meat and know how to divide, and know what to do with it (which the article definitely addressed, which was a nice change from typical food access articles).

The local store sells boneless half shoulders or steaks for around $5/lb, but bone in whole shoulders for $1.10/lb.  So if all you have is $5 you get a pork steak tha ...

You are so so right. I had six kids, and it took a long time to learn just how to carve up the budget to buy in bulk. We had a mantra for years: you gotta have money to save money. But it is one of the goals worth working for, when possible. Getting my large slow cooker was super exciting for me, and I started buying the Costco membership with part of the IRS refund, to use for large cuts of meat that I'd bring home and section into ziploc bags, and also big bags of potatoes, onions, oranges, etc., and large boxes of decent quality cereal.

Then I had to readjust to cooking for fewer and fewer over the years...:-)


I LOVE my crock pot.  It's absolutely a life saver. I pick a meal or two, buy the ingredients,  and make meals for the week. Many meals you can get away with just throwing the ingredients in with little prep. Last night I made meatloaf. I've made chilis, beef stroganoff, chicken,  etc. You can put something in it and come home from work with a home cooked, hot meal.
 
2018-02-09 12:58:24 PM  

anustart: Thong_of_Zardoz: Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".

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I'm not trolling. It was a comment on what people prioritize in their lives.
 
2018-02-09 01:10:13 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: anustart: Thong_of_Zardoz: Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".

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I'm not trolling. It was a comment on what people prioritize in their lives.


My bad, I didn't realize you were one of those "Fark low-income families because they spend all their money on iPhones and big-screen TVs!" types.  My apologies for thinking better of you. I'll try not to do it again.
 
2018-02-09 01:11:44 PM  

4seasons85!: I LOVE my crock pot.  It's absolutely a life saver. I pick a meal or two, buy the ingredients,  and make meals for the week. Many meals you can get away with just throwing the ingredients in with little prep. Last night I made meatloaf. I've made chilis, beef stroganoff, chicken,  etc. You can put something in it and come home from work with a home cooked, hot meal.


It can be a huge time-saver.
Frozen roast in the morning with 1 cup of water and a package of Onion Soup mix.  On medium for 10 hours and supper is ready by 6.
 
2018-02-09 01:41:59 PM  

ObscureNameHere: And when you cook, cook a lot!


The FoodSaver vacuum sealer was probably the best kitchen item we've ever bought.  We have a freezer stocked full of portioned out stew, lasagna, soups, baked mac&cheese, bulk meats.....  you name it.
Highly recommend.  No freezer burn!
 
2018-02-09 01:50:22 PM  

d23: [img.fark.net image 404x402]

And I get to break out the best gif ever posted on Fark.


Who salutes with their left hand?
 
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2018-02-09 01:55:40 PM  

Marksrevenge: That all said, there are healthy foods that are affordable. Brown rice, beans, eggs, frozen vegetables.


Brown rice seems more like a hot breakfast cereal to me. I can't stand it as a substitute for white rice. Beans are good and eggs are fine too, but with very few exceptions (peas, corn, maybe spinach for quiche), frozen vegetables can fark off.
 
2018-02-09 01:57:04 PM  

ProcrastinationStation: ObscureNameHere: And when you cook, cook a lot!

The FoodSaver vacuum sealer was probably the best kitchen item we've ever bought.  .....No freezer burn!


Good info! I wondered if it worked as well as advertised.
 
2018-02-09 01:59:04 PM  

dkulprit: d23: [img.fark.net image 404x402]

And I get to break out the best gif ever posted on Fark.

Who salutes with their left hand?


2D silhouettes of objects from an angle are weird...to me it looks like a view from behind, to you it looks like it's from the front..
 
2018-02-09 02:00:50 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Callous: NotThatGuyAgain: Humans are creatures of habit?  The hell you say.

My blood pressure was high so the doc told me to lay off the sodium.  I'd never paid any attention to it and my god, the amount of sodium I was taking in was crazy, and I mostly eat homemade food.

One premade food that's now off my plate is canned biscuits anything.  They have crazy amounts of sodium.  And look up the stunning amount of sodium in a small flour tortilla.

Same here.  Now that it's been a while since I cut salt out of my diet I have a hard time eating out or at someone else's house.  I've become very sensitive to the taste of salt and don't like it.

Ain't THAT the truth.

I love, love, love salty foods.  Soy sauce?  POUR IT ON!  The hot curry that comes in a box and looks sorta like a candy bar?  MY FAVORITE.

But after I cut sodium out back in November, I'm right there with you.  Ate some food they served at the Legion one night and I couldn't believe how salty it was, despite the person who cooked it saying "I didn't put as much salt in as I usually do, there are salt shakers on the tables."

Another problem I had was chronic dehydration.  Too much salt plus chronic dehydration is a recipe for high blood pressure as your body will ditch potassium (regulates BP) and hang onto sodium.  You also might wind up with a kidney stone the size of a quarter that requires two rounds of ESWL to get rid of.  That really sucked.


It is said by some that the reason why Afro-Americans tend to have more problems with high blood pressure than the rest of the population is that their ancestors were not given enough water on the way over in the slave ships, and the ones who survived this dehydration were genetically more able to cope with high salt levels in their blood. https://www.ukessays.com/essay​s/histor​y/hypertension-in-african-americans-an​d-the-middle-passage-history-essay.php​
 
2018-02-09 02:10:15 PM  
lilistonic:

Yesterday someone on Twitter was haranguing people about hating animals if they weren't vegan. It wasn't even subtle.

I tend to eat plant-based but I ate completely vegan for three years (lost about 100 pounds and improved several health indicators drastically).  I did not like to call myself a vegan because it tends to be a synonym for  "self-righteous asshole" to people.
 
2018-02-09 02:11:21 PM  

AngryDragon: blatz514: Gimme!

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I see all the food groups represented.  What's the problem?


They got the pyramid upside-down.
 
2018-02-09 02:31:40 PM  

anustart: 4seasons85!: I LOVE my crock pot.  It's absolutely a life saver. I pick a meal or two, buy the ingredients,  and make meals for the week. Many meals you can get away with just throwing the ingredients in with little prep. Last night I made meatloaf. I've made chilis, beef stroganoff, chicken,  etc. You can put something in it and come home from work with a home cooked, hot meal.

It can be a huge time-saver.
Frozen roast in the morning with 1 cup of water and a package of Onion Soup mix.  On medium for 10 hours and supper is ready by 6.


Crock pots and pressure cookers are your best friend if you want to be able to cook real food from scratch while still holding down a full time job.

Crock pots require at least enough ability to think ahead that you have the ingredients on hand in the morning so you can toss them in the crock pot before you leave the house for work.

Pressure cookers work quickly enough that you can grab what you intend to make on the way home from work and still have dinner on the table in a reasonable amount of time.

Another good time saver is to make up some large batches of side dishes on the weekend that you can eat with your main courses over the course of the week.

For instance, I'm a fan of cole slaw and it improves with time, so making a big batch on Sunday lets me eat it through the week. Just come up with some generic sides popular with your family. Say baked beans, potato salad, real baked mac and cheese.

I like a side you've probably had in Mexican places where you cook a big bag of pinto beans in chicken stock with taco seasonings, garlic powder, and oregano and then pour in your favorite salsa when it's done. A pressure cooker can go from dried beans to completely done in under an hour. It takes a crock pot all day to do the same thing.

When you get home after work, you either have a meat waiting in the crock pot or toss it in the pressure cooker. The sides are ready. Maybe add a side salad or steam some frozen veggies?
 
2018-02-09 02:31:52 PM  

anustart: AlanMooresBeard: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

I'll add, if one doesn't care about healthy food then that is fine. We all have different goals, needs and wants.
My post was targeted to the "But it costs too much money and takes too much time" crowd.

I have to disagree.  I think we're not considering practical issues in many homes, especially lower-income homes.

A common scenario:
-Mom gets up at 6, makes breakfast, packs lunches, leaves at 8 and works 9-6, home by 7
-Dad gets up at 5:30, leaves at 6 and works 7-4, home by 4:30
-Kids need to be ready for school by 7:45 each morning
-Kids get home from school at 4:30
-Kids need help with homework in the evenings
-Kids need to be in bed at 8:30
-Housework and laundry have to be done
-Shopping has to be done
-Basic errands take a long time because the family relies on the bus
-Parent's have managed to manage the budget to let Susan play soccer on Tuesday evenings and give Billy piano lessons on Thursdays after school.
-Kids need (and have a right to) down-time for playing and fun.

It's easy to see where you might find it extremely difficult to have time for a healthy meal prepared from scratch. An hour in the evening can be very hard to come by.  It's not surprising that using prepared foods can be frequently the only way to manage the hours in a day.

This has nothing to do with laziness, lack of information or parenting skills. it has everything to do with the way we have designed so much of our economy and life structure around things that make it harder, not easier, to make family life a priority.


You and your farking login.  Every single time.
 
2018-02-09 02:39:28 PM  

anustart: Thong_of_Zardoz: anustart: Thong_of_Zardoz: Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".

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I'm not trolling. It was a comment on what people prioritize in their lives.

My bad, I didn't realize you were one of those "Fark low-income families because they spend all their money on iPhones and big-screen TVs!" types.  My apologies for thinking better of you. I'll try not to do it again.


That's OK. Just don't let it happen again. "Farkie" me in your most unflattering colour so you'll know you can disregard anything I say from now on.
 
2018-02-09 02:53:50 PM  

anustart: AlanMooresBeard: AlanMooresBeard: Its laziness.

Eating healthy with minimal cooking and prep time is a lot cheaper than people assume.
It takes effort to learn about vitamins and nutrition.
It takes effort to plan out your meals.
It takes effort to learn cooking skills.
It takes effort to figure out the real cost of eating healthy.

Or people can just by a box of mac and cheese and a rotisserie chicken and biatch how they are a victim of the food industry.

I'll add, if one doesn't care about healthy food then that is fine. We all have different goals, needs and wants.
My post was targeted to the "But it costs too much money and takes too much time" crowd.

I have to disagree.  I think we're not considering practical issues in many homes, especially lower-income homes.

A common scenario:
-Mom gets up at 6, makes breakfast, packs lunches, leaves at 8 and works 9-6, home by 7
-Dad gets up at 5:30, leaves at 6 and works 7-4, home by 4:30
-Kids need to be ready for school by 7:45 each morning
-Kids get home from school at 4:30
-Kids need help with homework in the evenings
-Kids need to be in bed at 8:30
-Housework and laundry have to be done
-Shopping has to be done
-Basic errands take a long time because the family relies on the bus
-Parent's have managed to manage the budget to let Susan play soccer on Tuesday evenings and give Billy piano lessons on Thursdays after school.
-Kids need (and have a right to) down-time for playing and fun.

It's easy to see where you might find it extremely difficult to have time for a healthy meal prepared from scratch. An hour in the evening can be very hard to come by.  It's not surprising that using prepared foods can be frequently the only way to manage the hours in a day.

This has nothing to do with laziness, lack of information or parenting skills. it has everything to do with the way we have designed so much of our economy and life structure around things that make it harder, not easier, to make family life a priority.


Took Fark long enough to drag out the "This specific example refutes you and thusly you're wrong." Why not make the dad blind, mom working 2 jobs, and toss in grandma while you are at it?
Yeah raising a family is tough and you can go blame society but that doesn't change my point.

If after everything you listed, and anything you want to add to your list, the parents make an uninformed assumption where they won't try, then yes they are being lazy.
 
2018-02-09 02:58:09 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Hey man. Yearly cellphone upgrades and unlimited data plans ain't free. Someone's gotta work to get that "quality of life".


STFU already with the whining about cellphones.  What is it with conservatives and their horror of poor people owning cellphones?

Why not also mention flat-screen TV sets and buying lobster and malt liquor with food stamps while wearing a mink coat and then driving away in a Cadillac?

/keep recycling those dead old Reagan myths
 
2018-02-09 03:10:00 PM  

born_yesterday: You and your farking login.  Every single time.


LOL.

Umm....sorry?
 
2018-02-09 03:13:59 PM  

AlanMooresBeard: Took Fark long enough to drag out the "This specific example refutes you and thusly you're wrong." Why not make the dad blind, mom working 2 jobs, and toss in grandma while you are at it?


Because if i did that, you'd be absolutely right to say that I was cherry-picking.  My example is very generic and probably closely reflects what happens in millions of households every day.  Just because it doesn't happen in YOUR household doesn't make it an unrealistic representation of a lot of other families.
 
2018-02-09 03:20:59 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: One thing I've become acutely aware of in the past few years is how geography and health are correlated. I grew up in Kansas and my family is from southern Indiana, two places where obesity is a visible obvious epidemic. Here in Colorado, obesity is the exception. My children have lived most of their lives in this culture, so when we travel, one the first things they notice is how fat the rest of the country is in comparison. Colorado grocery stores are filled with the same garbage as grocery stores in the rest of the country, and we have the same high-calorie restaurants as you'll find elsewhere. It just comes down to a different culture. We're not genetically superior in Colorado. A lot of us just choose to live healthy lifestyles.


In fact, it's the altitude keeping you mostly thin as opposed to grossly obese.

Lost 5 solid pounds (not water weight) staying there for a week at 7,000 feet, and I don't normally have 5 pounds extra to lose, let alone on vacation.
 
2018-02-09 03:28:32 PM  

smd31: I was doing my normal grocery shopping last night and was looking at getting a different spaghetti sauce than I usually get (Ragu Italian Sausage and Garlic).  Found one I was interested in and it was "organic" or whatever (all natural, no added sugar, etc, small company).  I was like, sure I'll try it once...then I looked at the price.  $6.50 for 1 jar?!?!  Haha no....no thanks, I'll stick with my $2 jar.  If it had been $3 or 4


If you have a blender, this is quick, cheap, and tastes better than the cheap jarred stuff.

Blend the following:

2 cans of diced tomatoes
1 can of tomato paste
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon garlic powder
1 teaspoon basil
1/2 teaspoon oregano
1 tablespoon sugar
1/4 cup parmesan cheese (the crappy powdered stuff in a can)

If you have it, add some jarred banana pepper rings along with the marinate. It increases yumminess by quite a bit, but it's perfectly fine without. (Banana pepper rings also jazz up cheap frozen pizzas by quite a bit)
 
2018-02-09 03:35:27 PM  

BullBearMS: Crock pots require at least enough ability to think ahead that you have the ingredients on hand in the morning so you can toss them in the crock pot before you leave the house for work.


And then the damn thing shuts off if there's even a slight power surge. Great safety feature there - out with the fire hazard, in with the salmonella.
 
2018-02-09 03:39:09 PM  
Oh, here's a good source for side dish recipes.

This guy taught at a cooking school, so some of it's a bit fancy, but he also has good recipes for the classics.

Chef John's Side Dish Recipes

He also has a Youtube channel (which Allrecipes.com purchased)

Best Macaroni Salad Ever - How to Make Deli-Style Macaroni Salad
Youtube jEo9VXYVrxs
 
2018-02-09 03:50:26 PM  

Gulper Eel: BullBearMS: Crock pots require at least enough ability to think ahead that you have the ingredients on hand in the morning so you can toss them in the crock pot before you leave the house for work.

And then the damn thing shuts off if there's even a slight power surge. Great safety feature there - out with the fire hazard, in with the salmonella.


I hear ya.  I thought the newfangled electronic one where you could set the cooking duration sounded nifty till it periodically resets itself for no reason I could see.

Sometimes, going old school is best.  I still have my Mom's old Rival crockpot with the stoneware insert from the freaking 70's that will never die.  One of these works fine with it.

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2018-02-09 03:52:50 PM  

anustart: AlanMooresBeard: Took Fark long enough to drag out the "This specific example refutes you and thusly you're wrong." Why not make the dad blind, mom working 2 jobs, and toss in grandma while you are at it?

Because if i did that, you'd be absolutely right to say that I was cherry-picking.  My example is very generic and probably closely reflects what happens in millions of households every day.  Just because it doesn't happen in YOUR household doesn't make it an unrealistic representation of a lot of other families.


You take a census or a poll to determine that millions of families rely on a bus to take their kids to piano and soccer practice?

If the parents make an uninformed assumption where they won't try, then yes they are being lazy
 
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