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(Slate)   The last time DC held a military parade, it was an unmitigated disaster   ( slate.com) divider line
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2018-02-09 01:44:39 AM  
sure to be accompanied with a clown car of unforced errors

Heh.
 
2018-02-09 02:10:58 AM  
With Trump it'll be the biggest disaster in DC's history!
 
2018-02-09 02:36:32 AM  

davidphogan: With Trump it'll be the biggest disaster in DC's history!


I thought he already was, and it just gets perpetually worse.
 
2018-02-09 03:06:10 AM  
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Military Parades are also big, real big in Pyongyang. Also the former USSR. Do not want. But I can see why Trump wants.
 
2018-02-09 03:19:11 AM  
I wonder when Donny is going to start awarding himself medals?  when he does, he should give himself a medal of honor right away.  first thing. I mean why dick around?
 
2018-02-09 04:00:40 AM  
Just watch for the warning sign. What is that you ask? It's the size of military hats. The bigger the hats, the more Commie the government.
 
2018-02-09 04:02:12 AM  
It seems the DoD repairing the statue is a mitigation of the "disaster." So I'm not seeing how it was "unmitigated."
 
2018-02-09 04:02:45 AM  
Well, they did manage it without civilian casualties, so as far as the US military goes, it was a success.
 
2018-02-09 04:05:21 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Just watch for the warning sign. What is that you ask? It's the size of military hats. The bigger the hats, the more Commie the government.


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So Britain is the most commie?
 
2018-02-09 04:08:26 AM  
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2018-02-09 04:18:18 AM  

Alien Robot: It seems the DoD repairing the statue is a mitigation of the "disaster." So I'm not seeing how it was "unmitigated."


that's it.  that's all you've got?  just linguistic semantics and nothing else of note?

how the mighty have fallen.
 
2018-02-09 04:21:00 AM  
 

Alien Robot: It seems the DoD repairing the statue is a mitigation of the "disaster." So I'm not seeing how it was "unmitigated."


1.2 million pounds of garbage, $12 million in bills, and literal scars on the city's public art and infrastructure

Some of us, Read The Farking Article
 
2018-02-09 04:22:15 AM  
huh.  the Usual Suspects aren't out in force to defend Donny quite so much this week.  I wonder why that might be?
 
2018-02-09 04:32:24 AM  
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2018-02-09 04:38:51 AM  
So should be expecting a bill around $25 million.
Not a problem, have Trump cut a check, first, and he can have his parade.
We know that he's infamous for skipping out on the tab.
 
2018-02-09 04:40:46 AM  

Catlenfell: So should be expecting a bill around $25 million.
Not a problem, have Trump cut a check, first, and he can have his parade.
We know that he's infamous for skipping out on the tab.


far as I know, the pentagon doesn't have any firm details on just how they're going to pay for this parade.  And the fiscally conservative types on the GOP side seem to have disappeared.
 
2018-02-09 04:41:18 AM  
No John Philip Sousa?  I aint going.
 
2018-02-09 04:43:20 AM  
Donny seems firm on having this stupid parade.  I wonder if its occurred to him yet that he's likely to see quite a lot of protests over forcing the troops to do this?  if I were an anti-war protester (or just someone looking to piss off Donny) this parade would be a golden opportunity to ruin trump's war boner.
 
2018-02-09 04:50:10 AM  

ReaverZ: 1.2 million pounds of garbage, $12 million in bills, and literal scars on the city's public art and infrastructure


The garbage was picked up, the bills paid, and the art repaired. Like I said,  the damage was "mitigated" was it not?
 
2018-02-09 04:55:25 AM  

Alien Robot: Like I said,  the damage was "mitigated" was it not?


after the fact, and with great expense and loud public outcry, sure.  would have been better had the damage not been permitted to occur in the first place.

not that Donny has shown any ability to plan even a parade.  look how badly Donny buggered up his inauguration party.  now trump plans on bringing that level of incompetence to organizing a vastly expensive parade nobody wants and everyone thinks is going to be a disaster.
 
2018-02-09 05:02:49 AM  

2wolves: No John Philip Sousa?  I aint going.


I expect it to be more like this:
Ted Nugent 'Star Spangled Banner' Donald Trumps Last Rally Grand Rapids, MI. (11-7-16)
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2018-02-09 05:04:36 AM  
has Donny been told yet that NOBODY thinks this parade is a good idea?  not that it would matter to him....but he should at least be informed that his parade idea is pissing the f*ck outta most Americans.
 
2018-02-09 05:04:50 AM  
Trump knows his audience. The Trumpeteers will eat this up. "Hell yeah, we're proud of our military!" "Not like Obama, always apologizing for America's strength!"
 
2018-02-09 05:06:46 AM  

uberaverage: Trump knows his audience. The Trumpeteers will eat this up. "Hell yeah, we're proud of our military!" "Not like Obama, always apologizing for America's strength!"


I wouldn't be so sure about that.  the few trumpers I know that actually bothered to serve in the military are having a lot of trouble thinking this parade is a good idea.  ask anyone - ANYONE - who's ever served in the military what it takes to make a combat unit ready for parade inspection.  that is a ton of work, and all on the 4th of july holiday.  not a good way to ingratiate oneself with the military.
 
2018-02-09 05:07:53 AM  

Alien Robot: ReaverZ: 1.2 million pounds of garbage, $12 million in bills, and literal scars on the city's public art and infrastructure

The garbage was picked up, the bills paid, and the art repaired. Like I said,  the damage was "mitigated" was it not?


They are still pissing taxpayer money away on something whose only usefulness is to assuage the insecure ego of an overgrown toddler - being demanded by the same trailer trash who howl that food stamps and medical care are "wastes of money".
What a pathetic joke you people are.
 
2018-02-09 05:12:58 AM  
If I remember correctly, the reason a huge parade didn't happen for his inauguration was due to the streets of DC not being able to handle the weight of the military vehicles (amongst other things, but I recall an article citing that the infrastructure of DC couldn't handle a display akin to those in Moscow, Pyongyang, & etc.). It really gives a whole new dark aspect to Trump's pushes for infrastructure spending, doesn't it?
 
2018-02-09 05:17:52 AM  
Look at them, America - the FIscal Conservatives.
They're getting ready to take away SS and Medicare to pay for the tax break they just gave the rich folks.
And, of course, wiping their shiatty assholes with YOUR MONEY so that Dapper Donny Dumbf**k can have a big boy boom boom parade.
If Americans let this happen, they are no better than dogs.
The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.
 
2018-02-09 05:22:42 AM  

jso2897: The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.


that might just be what happens.  this parade would be a big PR opportunity for the protest groups as well as Donny himself.   But it'll probably be a giant shiat show.
 
2018-02-09 05:28:28 AM  

ReaverZ: Alien Robot: It seems the DoD repairing the statue is a mitigation of the "disaster." So I'm not seeing how it was "unmitigated."

1.2 million pounds of garbage, $12 million in bills, and literal scars on the city's public art and infrastructure

Some of us, Read The Farking Article


Plus the damage to the statues at the Hirshorn. It is very nice, check it out if you get the chance.
 
2018-02-09 05:31:18 AM  

Alien Robot: Pointy Tail of Satan: Just watch for the warning sign. What is that you ask? It's the size of military hats. The bigger the hats, the more Commie the government.

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So Britain is the most commie?


No, we just needed some microphones to go with all those CCTV cameras.
 
2018-02-09 05:34:35 AM  

Weaver95: jso2897: The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.

that might just be what happens.  this parade would be a big PR opportunity for the protest groups as well as Donny himself.   But it'll probably be a giant shiat show.


DC is about 80% black and they hate Trump, and aren't pussies like whites. They might just burn that motherf**ker down with the Filthy Drumft Family in it.
Not that anyone would ever endorse such an unfortunate outcome.
I most certainly wouldn't actively endorse such an unfortunate outcome.
 
2018-02-09 05:34:59 AM  

moofburger: Alien Robot: Pointy Tail of Satan: Just watch for the warning sign. What is that you ask? It's the size of military hats. The bigger the hats, the more Commie the government.

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So Britain is the most commie?

No, we just needed some microphones to go with all those CCTV cameras.


Is it worth the hair bolus?
 
2018-02-09 05:40:15 AM  

jso2897: Weaver95: jso2897: The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.

that might just be what happens.  this parade would be a big PR opportunity for the protest groups as well as Donny himself.   But it'll probably be a giant shiat show.

DC is about 80% black and they hate Trump, and aren't pussies like whites. They might just burn that motherf**ker down with the Filthy Drumft Family in it.
Not that anyone would ever endorse such an unfortunate outcome.
I most certainly wouldn't actively endorse such an unfortunate outcome.


I think that if trump actually goes forward with this parade, he's going to have to lock down the entire city tighter than a drum.  cops and military police everywhere, checkpoints, bag searches, 'free speech zones'...the works.  it'll make D.C. look like something out of communist russia.

which kinda gives me an idea about plastering D.C. with soviet style banners praising trump...but I digress.
 
2018-02-09 05:46:37 AM  
FTA "a march in 2017 will"

Requirea time machine??
 
2018-02-09 05:51:17 AM  

Alien Robot: Pointy Tail of Satan: Just watch for the warning sign. What is that you ask? It's the size of military hats. The bigger the hats, the more Commie the government.

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So Britain is the most commie?


Those aren't hats. They're merkins. They're just being temporarily repurposed as head warmers.
 
2018-02-09 05:55:30 AM  

Weaver95: jso2897: The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.

that might just be what happens.  this parade would be a big PR opportunity for the protest groups as well as Donny himself.   But it'll probably be a giant shiat show.


It would be weird to have more people on the streets of the parade route to protest, than people on the sides cheering.

And of course, at some point the onlookers would not be able to resist bum-rushing the "traitors" taking a knee to block the procession. So that would be even more obstruction.
 
2018-02-09 05:57:11 AM  
In the middle of a parade, I could accept a well turned out platoon. Preferably one that has spent time overseas. It's when you start wheeling about in war machines... wait, I know the clip.

Monty Python ~ Marching up and down the square (Michael Palin)
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2018-02-09 06:02:23 AM  

Weaver95: uberaverage: Trump knows his audience. The Trumpeteers will eat this up. "Hell yeah, we're proud of our military!" "Not like Obama, always apologizing for America's strength!"

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  the few trumpers I know that actually bothered to serve in the military are having a lot of trouble thinking this parade is a good idea.  ask anyone - ANYONE - who's ever served in the military what it takes to make a combat unit ready for parade inspection.  that is a ton of work, and all on the 4th of july holiday.  not a good way to ingratiate oneself with the military.


I agree with you.
 
2018-02-09 06:05:38 AM  

Parthenogenetic: It would be weird to have more people on the streets of the parade route to protest, than people on the sides cheering.


If you protest a full-dress military parade you will look like you are denigrating the soldiers taking part. In which case Trump will win in 2020 in a landslide. He's baiting you, don't do it. Protest before, not during.
 
2018-02-09 06:11:03 AM  

Anastacya: If I remember correctly, the reason a huge parade didn't happen for his inauguration was due to the streets of DC not being able to handle the weight of the military vehicles (amongst other things, but I recall an article citing that the infrastructure of DC couldn't handle a display akin to those in Moscow, Pyongyang, & etc.). It really gives a whole new dark aspect to Trump's pushes for infrastructure spending, doesn't it?


You would be correct.

US streets have a max weight allowance of about 30 tons.

The US main battle tank, the M1 Abrams, weighs just over 60 tons.
 
2018-02-09 06:13:43 AM  
Let's say the parade has 10,000 military people and 500 military vehicles and aircraft of various sorts. All of those have to be transported to the capitol, housed, fed, fuelled. There has to be mustering areas, dress rehearsals etc. so they're there for 2 or 3 days at least. All the police, emergency services are on overtime for the entire day. Major roads are shut off for a couple of days. Civilian flights are severely curtailed. Major disruption happens for everyone working or driving in the vicinity of the parade.

How many millions and millions of dollars is all that? It's not like the military has just won a major war, or is celebrating some significant event. It's all just for president asshole and his vanity. If the money is there for this spontaneous ego massage, then why can't it be used for some other use? I'm sure veteran associations could do with the cash for example.
 
2018-02-09 06:35:50 AM  

drxym: Let's say the parade has 10,000 military people and 500 military vehicles and aircraft of various sorts. All of those have to be transported to the capitol, housed, fed, fuelled. There has to be mustering areas, dress rehearsals etc. so they're there for 2 or 3 days at least. All the police, emergency services are on overtime for the entire day. Major roads are shut off for a couple of days. Civilian flights are severely curtailed. Major disruption happens for everyone working or driving in the vicinity of the parade.

How many millions and millions of dollars is all that? It's not like the military has just won a major war, or is celebrating some significant event. It's all just for president asshole and his vanity. If the money is there for this spontaneous ego massage, then why can't it be used for some other use? I'm sure veteran associations could do with the cash for example.


Alllll of this, and more. I'm an admin, and when I saw this on the news I began ranting loudly and at length (to my husband's amusement) about the logical cluster*fark it would be to make this happen, the monetary cost, the safety involved for both civilians and military, oh, and as posters have mentioned, there WILL be protestors, which is another potential PR nightmare, and...

Yeeeeeah, I would NOT want to be the poor f*ckers tasked with putting this mess together assuming it ever is demanded, because the thought of the paperwork alone hurts me on a deep and personal level, much less what sort of message it will end up sending.

/Reserve Weekend should be very interesting
//we still work even if the government shuts down
///...again...
 
2018-02-09 06:37:34 AM  
Cosplaying Pennsic ass clowns.
 
2018-02-09 06:43:39 AM  

ReaverZ: Alien Robot: It seems the DoD repairing the statue is a mitigation of the "disaster." So I'm not seeing how it was "unmitigated."

1.2 million pounds of garbage, $12 million in bills, and literal scars on the city's public art and infrastructure

Some of us, Read The Farking Article


How does this compare to the 4th of July festivities, and where are they getting those numbers from?
 
2018-02-09 06:57:30 AM  
What he wants and what he gets are two different things.  My guess is the military know how to slow walk everything.  The person tasked with distracting him will spend weeks, running in and out of the West Wing, with lots of pictures and papers, looking very engaged.  And in a few weeks, that person will come in with a laundry list of details that are just overwhelming the whole thing.  The new proposal will be to have an even bigger parade, with even more glorious-ness, but the date will need to be pushed back to closer to September and the location moved to somewhere there are lots of trumpers so those bad protestors and bad news outlets can't muck up stuff.  And by the time push comes to shove, he will have moved onto another ego boosting idea and this one will vanish.  The only real costs will have been the salary of one staffer, the fuel to have said staffer coming and going, and the freaking ink costs to print all the pretty pictures for show and tell.  If the presentation can be created in PowerPoint, maybe just displaying on a laptop will save the costs of paper and ink.
 
2018-02-09 07:03:41 AM  

cherryl taggart: What he wants and what he gets are two different things.  My guess is the military know how to slow walk everything.  The person tasked with distracting him will spend weeks, running in and out of the West Wing, with lots of pictures and papers, looking very engaged.  And in a few weeks, that person will come in with a laundry list of details that are just overwhelming the whole thing.  The new proposal will be to have an even bigger parade, with even more glorious-ness, but the date will need to be pushed back to closer to September and the location moved to somewhere there are lots of trumpers so those bad protestors and bad news outlets can't muck up stuff.  And by the time push comes to shove, he will have moved onto another ego boosting idea and this one will vanish.  The only real costs will have been the salary of one staffer, the fuel to have said staffer coming and going, and the freaking ink costs to print all the pretty pictures for show and tell.  If the presentation can be created in PowerPoint, maybe just displaying on a laptop will save the costs of paper and ink.


It would be cheaper to install some screens outside the oval office pointing inwards that project a CG rendered parade with thousands of CG onlookers (more than Bush got obviously).
 
2018-02-09 07:05:21 AM  
Stupid idea.  Don't do it.
 
2018-02-09 07:12:18 AM  

jso2897: Weaver95: jso2897: The people of DC should take to the streets, and stop it.

that might just be what happens.  this parade would be a big PR opportunity for the protest groups as well as Donny himself.   But it'll probably be a giant shiat show.

DC is about 80% black and they hate Trump, and aren't pussies like whites. They might just burn that motherf**ker down with the Filthy Drumft Family in it.
Not that anyone would ever endorse such an unfortunate outcome.
I most certainly wouldn't actively endorse such an unfortunate outcome.


Nope. Try 50%
 
2018-02-09 07:16:46 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder when Donny is going to start awarding himself medals?  when he does, he should give himself a medal of honor right away.  first thing. I mean why dick around?


How about a Purple Heart?
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2018-02-09 07:19:11 AM  
We've had military parades before, but always to celebrate victory in war.

This would nominally be to celebrate the military just because we love them so very much, but the military doesn't want the attention.  They have jobs to do, and they just want to quietly get on with them without grandstanding (in this case, literally), which is why they are America's most trusted institution.

And in reality it would be to celebrate Trump to feed his ego, and will draw large protests from people who care about our democracy, which will allow Trump to paint American patriots as anti-military and hence anti-American, and his Confederate flag waving, conspiracy spouting cult as the true patriots.

So another divisive and harmful act so that Trump can play Commander in Chief on TV.
 
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