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(CNBC)   Amazon and its Prime membership is great for buyers but for sellers, fuggedaboutit   ( cnbc.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 09:27:13 PM  
Pfft! Economics? Way to be a nerd, Nerdmitter
 
2018-02-08 09:57:47 PM  
No longer a fan of Amazon. They are ruining Whole Foods. No guac. yesterday. And the once friendly Whole Foods workers are now quiet and depressed. WTF?
 
2018-02-08 10:02:22 PM  
muhaha-MUHAHA-MUHAHAHAHA!-MUHAHA​HAHAHAHA!
 
2018-02-08 10:04:33 PM  
I'm not sure if you read the article, but it doesn't actually mention Prime once. It's entirely about Amazon's big counterfeit problem and the possible program they're doing to deal with it. Personally, I don't think they are going to actually do anything. Maybe for the big names, but for any sellers like the one mentioned that are doing less than $1 million total in sales, Amazon does not care at all.
 
2018-02-08 10:17:16 PM  
I'm growing a bit weary of Amazon myself.  It's nice that they think an anti-counterfeiting program started ten years too late will be able to stuff that evil djinn back in the bottle, but it ain't gonna happen.
 
2018-02-08 10:21:26 PM  
One of my China-based factory clients told me that he's heard about huge conferences in China, put on by a Chinese consulting firm, whereby they charge factory bosses and "engineers" $$$, then stuff them all in a big auditorium, and they literally go through live AMZN site analytics in real-time on a theater-sized video screen and - as a group - target top products for them to knock-off. They leave with a list of products + major feature sets + estimated volumes/profit. It's like speed dating for counterfeiters.
 
2018-02-08 10:45:37 PM  
Going after counterfeit goods masquerading as the real deal will be beneficial for both buyers and sellers.  It will help protect sellers brand's, and help save buyers from paying for subpar knockoffs.

I try to purchase through 'fulfilled by Amazon' sources as much as possible, as there seems to be a level of quality control there that isn't in place for third party vendors.
 
2018-02-08 11:07:06 PM  
Amazon marketplace is annoying as hell.  Save two bucks on an item and they pester me for a review for weeks.  Dude, if I liked your product that much, I would have already left a review.  Otherwise, you didn't f* up.  That's my review.
 
2018-02-09 02:15:41 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: One of my China-based factory clients told me that he's heard about huge conferences in China, put on by a Chinese consulting firm, whereby they charge factory bosses and "engineers" $$$, then stuff them all in a big auditorium, and they literally go through live AMZN site analytics in real-time on a theater-sized video screen and - as a group - target top products for them to knock-off. They leave with a list of products + major feature sets + estimated volumes/profit. It's like speed dating for counterfeiters.


counterfeit items should be available for the common class. for example, if they are selling fake $50K pocket books for $150, that company isn't losing a single sale - the women who can afford the real thing at $50K will still shop there and buy there. and a lot of women can enjoying treating themselves to the style of pocket book they like at an affordable $150.
 
2018-02-09 02:21:39 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Going after counterfeit goods masquerading as the real deal will be beneficial for both buyers and sellers.  It will help protect sellers brand's, and help save buyers from paying for subpar knockoffs.

I try to purchase through 'fulfilled by Amazon' sources as much as possible, as there seems to be a level of quality control there that isn't in place for third party vendors.


I can only read this in Mrs. Thurston Howell's voice.
 
2018-02-09 03:00:23 AM  
shiat, I used to be able to get a used book through the system profitably at $7, now I have to charge $10 to see any profit. That's really cut down on the number of books I can put through the system.
 
2018-02-09 03:14:49 AM  

girlygirlmpls: No longer a fan of Amazon. They are ruining Whole Foods. No guac. yesterday.


No guac. In February. In Minneapolis.
 
2018-02-09 03:58:44 AM  
that single page uses the word "Amazon" 49 times.

Amazon.
 
2018-02-09 05:14:41 AM  

TheOmni: I'm not sure if you read the article, but it doesn't actually mention Prime once. It's entirely about Amazon's big counterfeit problem and the possible program they're doing to deal with it. Personally, I don't think they are going to actually do anything. Maybe for the big names, but for any sellers like the one mentioned that are doing less than $1 million total in sales, Amazon does not care at all.


Thin line between "counterfeit" and "similar", the latter being what the subject of TFA was complaining about. Not sure why Amazon has to police these things and am pretty sure there's a gov't agency out there for that.

Either way, it's called Capitalism. If you're product (baby clothese, from TFA) run $100 and something similar is $20, I'm going with $20 because, just like the subject, I want money in MY pocket too.
 
2018-02-09 07:09:11 AM  
"she started Wee Urban in 2010 after a health scare with one of her kids forced her to take time off. Struggling to find high-quality clothing for her boys "

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2018-02-09 07:21:32 AM  
Sellers? You mean the guys who try to make an item $4 to make it look good on search results and then charged you $16 for the shipping? How about fark those guys? Maybe you wouldn't be farked if you didn't try to game the system.
 
2018-02-09 08:54:19 AM  
Sorry Honey, you made some money from people, but before you get all assy about your "original" ideas.

Call me crazy but baby sheets, sleep sacks, dresses, and pjs, are not exactly new, and your ideas are not exactly ground breaking

Below or some of her products, people have been selling stuff like this for decades.  And she is horribly over priced.

She never heard of Carter?  And putting "Urban" or saying "organic" is a con to just justify your price gouging.

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2018-02-09 09:17:41 AM  

sinko swimo: The Pope of Manwich Village: One of my China-based factory clients told me that he's heard about huge conferences in China, put on by a Chinese consulting firm, whereby they charge factory bosses and "engineers" $$$, then stuff them all in a big auditorium, and they literally go through live AMZN site analytics in real-time on a theater-sized video screen and - as a group - target top products for them to knock-off. They leave with a list of products + major feature sets + estimated volumes/profit. It's like speed dating for counterfeiters.

counterfeit items should be available for the common class. for example, if they are selling fake $50K pocket books for $150, that company isn't losing a single sale - the women who can afford the real thing at $50K will still shop there and buy there. and a lot of women can enjoying treating themselves to the style of pocket book they like at an affordable $150.


The counterfeiting also targets people who can afford the items.  For instance, I use a fairly expensive shampoo and conditioner that is also very popular, so both the Ulta and Sephora near me often run out.

I tried ordering it from Amazon once.  The listing claimed that it came directly from the manufacturer.  When I opened the bottles, the smell and color were completely wrong. After a few discussion with Amazon customer service, we all discovered that the products actually came from a 3rd party seller in China.

Amazon is pretty much a "caveat emptor" place for me now.  I only use it for really rare things or for Kindle books.
 
2018-02-09 09:35:20 AM  

theflatline: Sorry Honey, you made some money from people, but before you get all assy about your "original" ideas.

Call me crazy but baby sheets, sleep sacks, dresses, and pjs, are not exactly new, and your ideas are not exactly ground breaking

Below or some of her products, people have been selling stuff like this for decades.  And she is horribly over priced.

She never heard of Carter?  And putting "Urban" or saying "organic" is a con to just justify your price gouging.

$54
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$34
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$24
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$29
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$34

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she'd have no leg  to stand on if the complaint was just that other people were selling similar looking baby clothes.

If other people are selling similar looking baby clothes under storefronts that look like her name, such as weeurban, tweeurban, Wee Urbane, etc, vs Wee Urban, or people are selling knockoffs listed as authentic Wee Urban goods under their own storefronts, she has every right to complain.
 
2018-02-09 09:39:14 AM  
She sounds whiny.  Her business failed, many businesses fail, don't blame amazon and copy cats.
 
2018-02-09 10:01:14 AM  

Tawdry Hepburn: sinko swimo: The Pope of Manwich Village: One of my China-based factory clients told me that he's heard about huge conferences in China, put on by a Chinese consulting firm, whereby they charge factory bosses and "engineers" $$$, then stuff them all in a big auditorium, and they literally go through live AMZN site analytics in real-time on a theater-sized video screen and - as a group - target top products for them to knock-off. They leave with a list of products + major feature sets + estimated volumes/profit. It's like speed dating for counterfeiters.

counterfeit items should be available for the common class. for example, if they are selling fake $50K pocket books for $150, that company isn't losing a single sale - the women who can afford the real thing at $50K will still shop there and buy there. and a lot of women can enjoying treating themselves to the style of pocket book they like at an affordable $150.

The counterfeiting also targets people who can afford the items.  For instance, I use a fairly expensive shampoo and conditioner that is also very popular, so both the Ulta and Sephora near me often run out.

I tried ordering it from Amazon once.  The listing claimed that it came directly from the manufacturer.  When I opened the bottles, the smell and color were completely wrong. After a few discussion with Amazon customer service, we all discovered that the products actually came from a 3rd party seller in China.

Amazon is pretty much a "caveat emptor" place for me now.  I only use it for really rare things or for Kindle books.


Only buy if it says fulfilled by Amazon or fulfilled by manufacturer and shows the manufacturers name and has a link to them.

Buying something online or in real life at a flea market that says "direct from manufacturer" is buyer beware and on the purchaser.
 
2018-02-09 10:31:10 AM  
I once bought a box of disposable razor cartridges, fulfilled by Amazon. The second the blade hit my skin I realized I had been had. There were microabrasions in the razors and I had some very impressive cuts in my calf.

They were knock-offs and poorly made. Never.again.
 
2018-02-09 10:31:55 AM  
Pro tip: If you sell something that is unique and it does well, it will not be unique for long.
 
2018-02-09 10:41:46 AM  

girlygirlmpls: No guac


Die.
 
2018-02-09 10:53:32 AM  

syrynxx: Amazon marketplace is annoying as hell.  Save two bucks on an item and they pester me for a review for weeks.  Dude, if I liked your product that much, I would have already left a review.  Otherwise, you didn't f* up.  That's my review.


Sold books on Big River for a decade plus. The review is of the seller, not the product. And good seller reviews are worth their weight in gold. Let's say you have nine 5-star reviews; your seller rating is a solid 45/45 or 100%. Now you get a 2%er customer. These are the assholes, for whom nothing is ever right with your service. They leave a 1 feedback. All of a sudden that aggregate feedback has plummeted to 46/50 or 92%. It takes many many sales to recover from that.

Don't know if it still happens, but there used to be a cottage industry in selling targeted ratings.
- Seller A hires you to sink Seller B.
- You buy several cheap items from Seller B.
- You leave several "1" reviews of Seller B.
- Seller B ends up getting kicked off by Amazon.

This did not end well for some of the people that did this.
 
2018-02-09 11:04:50 AM  
Meanwhile, sellers with variations of the name Wee Urban have popped up on Amazon sites around the world, and MacLean hasn't been able to figure out who they are.

Look lady, my brand, Pee City, is completely different from Wee Urban.
 
2018-02-09 11:10:09 AM  

Snarfangel: Meanwhile, sellers with variations of the name Wee Urban have popped up on Amazon sites around the world, and MacLean hasn't been able to figure out who they are.

Look lady, my brand, Pee City, is completely different from Wee Urban.


Pee City would be a great brand name for baby products.
 
2018-02-09 12:18:19 PM  

Harlee: They leave a 1 feedback. All of a sudden that aggregate feedback has plummeted to 46/50 or 92%. It takes many many sales to recover from that.


I guess I can see that.  I read at least 20 reviews of any product before I purchase it, and I wouldn't leave a 1 star review unless a product gave me flesh-eating bacteria.  Some stuff doesn't work when they make it; send it back and get another.
 
2018-02-09 12:43:20 PM  

syrynxx: Harlee: They leave a 1 feedback. All of a sudden that aggregate feedback has plummeted to 46/50 or 92%. It takes many many sales to recover from that.

I guess I can see that.  I read at least 20 reviews of any product before I purchase it, and I wouldn't leave a 1 star review unless a product gave me flesh-eating bacteria.  Some stuff doesn't work when they make it; send it back and get another.


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2018-02-09 01:54:58 PM  

TheOmni: I'm not sure if you read the article, but it doesn't actually mention Prime once. It's entirely about Amazon's big counterfeit problem and the possible program they're doing to deal with it. Personally, I don't think they are going to actually do anything. Maybe for the big names, but for any sellers like the one mentioned that are doing less than $1 million total in sales, Amazon does not care at all.


The counterfeits burn buyers, too, thanks to Amazon blindly combining customer reviews of products together.  You see a review that says the product was knock-off crap below another that says it's great - because the one customer got a counterfeit and some others didn't. So when you buy you're placing a bet hoping that you don't get one of the knock-offs Amazon happily threw into the same bin.  The seller in this story saw that first hand.

Amazon is turning into an online Maxwell Street flea market, full of such fine products as gen-u-INE Chinese C-Mega and Rollex watches, except they allow the Chinese sellers to sell them right there in the jewelry store.
 
2018-02-09 05:24:30 PM  

TheOmni: I'm not sure if you read the article, but it doesn't actually mention Prime once. It's entirely about Amazon's big counterfeit problem and the possible program they're doing to deal with it. Personally, I don't think they are going to actually do anything. Maybe for the big names, but for any sellers like the one mentioned that are doing less than $1 million total in sales, Amazon does not care at all.


Probably true, but they -should- care. I'm sure I'm not the only shopper who first looks for items sold by Amazon because it's so common to read reviews about products not matching the description/pictures. That should be a massive red flag to Amazon that something is screwy with that product ID and should be basis for a witch hunt by itself.

If Amazon can't filter the Chinese slapdash crap out of their catalog, they WILL suffer as the reputation catches up to them. If I want to buy cheap Chinese plastic trash I'll go to Walmart. At least that way there's a better chance to see upfront what might be wrong with it and there's no illusion of quality.
 
2018-02-09 09:39:47 PM  

bot68: So she's complaining that Amazon is working to fix the issues and invited her to be one of the first to use the new program?

Ungrateful coont.


I think you mean "working to fix the issues after the counterfeiters drove her off of the platform because Amazon wouldn't do anything to help her".
 
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