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2018-02-08 08:50:16 PM  
Will it have Marc Singer in it? No? Then I don't farking care.

The original was a cult favorite in part because it was the fantastic intersection of 80's big-budget TV soap operas and 80's big-budget TV SF shows, and it featured all of the tropes we've come to expect from both. I mean, big-haired hawt chick throating guinea pigs as a snack, complete with ominous musical sting, on TV?! Star Wars was less than six years old when V first aired, and Star Trek:TNG didn't come out until four years later - the show hit a sweet spot, temporally speaking. You're looking at a show that had to complete with Automan, for Christ's sake.

The reboot sucked ass because it tried to push an agenda that had nothing to do with the original series, with poor writing and inconsistent acting. It failed in so many ways that I couldn't watch it, and I was a die-hard V fan as a kid.
 
2018-02-08 09:04:42 PM  
Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.
 
2018-02-08 09:21:02 PM  
There are no coincidences, only the illusion of coincidences

/Remember remember the 5th of November?
//I think I've got the right V
 
2018-02-08 09:57:45 PM  
I'm waiting to see "Vee" the big, gay musical.
 
2018-02-08 10:03:55 PM  
You can see plenty of V online.
 
2018-02-08 10:10:36 PM  

One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.


I'm the same age and had the same reaction after looking at it a few years ago. Just awful. Putrid. But like you, at 13 I thought it was the greatest thing ever.
 
2018-02-08 10:10:51 PM  

One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.


It introduced my 15-year-old self to the badassery that is Michael Ironside, so it had that going for it.
 
2018-02-08 10:11:04 PM  

One Bad Apple: the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy hamster acting eating is unbelievable.


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2018-02-08 10:19:49 PM  
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2018-02-08 10:46:02 PM  
At this point, to get good shock value out of the big reveal, you'd need to have the Visitors look like lizard people to begin with, and then find out they're human looking, wearing lizard masks to fit our expectations.

"No, really, pretty much every advanced race in the galaxy looks like this.  Didn't want to weird you out".
 
2018-02-08 10:59:39 PM  

FormlessOne: Will it have Marc Singer in it? No? Then I don't farking care.


Screw him, will Michael Ironside be in it?
 
2018-02-08 11:04:20 PM  

One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.


Is it because you were 13?

/I know I watched it, but I'll be dammed if I can remember any of it.
 
2018-02-09 02:15:29 AM  

SurfaceTension: One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.

I'm the same age and had the same reaction after looking at it a few years ago. Just awful. Putrid. But like you, at 13 I thought it was the greatest thing ever.


I was 3 years younger, had the same original experience, same experience upon attempting to rewatch it as an adult.  I want to say "enough with exhausting every available piece of IP" but I felt that way when the Hannibal show was announced and that series turned out to be great.  I don't really hold out much hope for V pulling that off; I would actually be more optimistic if the original creator *werent* involved
 
2018-02-09 02:27:11 AM  

FormlessOne: Will it have Marc Singer in it? No? Then I don't farking care.


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2018-02-09 02:33:01 AM  
Forget V. Do Alien Nation 30 years now after the slags Newcomers have been here.
 
2018-02-09 02:36:03 AM  
The funny thing is that the "Let's treat scientists like jews during Nazi Germany" is now far more credible.

Wait, that's not funny at all !
 
2018-02-09 03:12:21 AM  
The original V had a Nazi subtext, the Nazi era was around forty years earlier. The new V will be airing around forty years after the original V. This means the subtext will be television. Instead of eating rodents, the new aliens will be snakes eating their own tails!
 
2018-02-09 03:27:18 AM  

whither_apophis: Forget V. Do Alien Nation 30 years now after the slags Newcomers have been here.


Oh that one could be good with the right writers, and on HBO or similar
 
2018-02-09 03:31:25 AM  

loonatic112358: whither_apophis: Forget V. Do Alien Nation 30 years now after the slags Newcomers have been here.

Oh that one could be good with the right writers, and on HBO or similar


OTOH, "Bright"
 
2018-02-09 03:54:29 AM  

FormlessOne: Will it have Marc Singer in it? No? Then I don't farking care.

The original was a cult favorite in part because it was the fantastic intersection of 80's big-budget TV soap operas and 80's big-budget TV SF shows, and it featured all of the tropes we've come to expect from both. I mean, big-haired hawt chick throating guinea pigs as a snack, complete with ominous musical sting, on TV?! Star Wars was less than six years old when V first aired, and Star Trek:TNG didn't come out until four years later - the show hit a sweet spot, temporally speaking. You're looking at a show that had to complete with Automan, for Christ's sake.

The reboot sucked ass because it tried to push an agenda that had nothing to do with the original series, with poor writing and inconsistent acting. It failed in so many ways that I couldn't watch it, and I was a die-hard V fan as a kid.


The original was a NAZI allegory.

The new one sucked because it wasn't a NAZI allegory, which is the whole point of V: To illustrate how fascism takes hold in a democratic society and holy shiat is it ever more resonant now than ever before!!!

V demands a remake, but instead of lizard people make them the Trumzard people. They are orange with tuffs of hair on their heads.
 
2018-02-09 04:06:11 AM  

Birnone: The original V had a Nazi subtext,


It wasn't a subtext, it was an overtext. Kenneth Johnson wrote it as a deliberate allegory of the Third Reich.

I mean, it doesn't get any more blatant than this:

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Yes, the acting and dialogue is really cringey (it's a TV miniseries, what do you expect?) and the special effects have not aged well, but the overall narrative of fascism's takeover and its hallmark signifiers (manipulation and control of all media, false flag attacks that warrant an increase in security and rescinding all rights and freedoms, and demonization of enemies to the cause -- in this case scientists and intellectuals) are all there, both in the mini-series and happening now in real life.

It's really a series worth remaking, if done right. The last one was not done right -- it stripped out all NAZI imagery and allegory, rendering it completely pointless.
 
2018-02-09 04:16:27 AM  

Ishkur: It's really a series worth remaking, if done right. The last one was not done right -- it stripped out all NAZI imagery and allegory, rendering it completely pointless.


Biggest problem was EVERYONE was a farking double agent.

/and the son was goddamn annoying
//didn't mind when Supergirl ripped his throat out
 
2018-02-09 04:33:51 AM  

ol' gormsby: loonatic112358: whither_apophis: Forget V. Do Alien Nation 30 years now after the slags Newcomers have been here.

Oh that one could be good with the right writers, and on HBO or similar

OTOH, "Bright"


That's an example of the wrong writers

It could have been very good, it had an interesting premise
 
2018-02-09 05:23:42 AM  
2009 is "early 2000s"?
 
2018-02-09 05:26:13 AM  
Yes, that one from 10 years ago was meh at best.  But it did introduce us to Morena Baccarin, and what's her name that played her blonde haired daughter.

/I'll be in my bunk
 
2018-02-09 05:32:04 AM  

Hendawg: Yes, that one from 10 years ago was meh at best.  But it did introduce us to Morena Baccarin, and what's her name that played her blonde haired daughter.

/I'll be in my bunk


You mean Inara Serra from Firefly?
 
2018-02-09 05:53:04 AM  
...Just get Jane Badler in it and I'll sit there and watch them read the phone book for two hours.
 
2018-02-09 06:23:48 AM  
I haven't seen either version, but if you need a miniseries to tell a story, it won't translate well to the 2.5 hour max format.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress would make a great series, but it's not a 2.5 hour story.
 
2018-02-09 06:29:19 AM  
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/NTTAWWT
 
2018-02-09 06:36:52 AM  

Birnone: The original V had a Nazi subtext, the Nazi era was around forty years earlier. The new V will be airing around forty years after the original V. This means the subtext will be television. Instead of eating rodents, the new aliens will be snakes eating their own tails!



Yep, you could mix V with Idiocracy and have the aliens come down and take over all media outlets and threaten to cancel all reality television unless everyone signs up to rehabilitation camps.  next shot you'd see people lined up for miles outside the centers with portable tvs around showing the kardashians and all that shiat.  No shots fired.
 
2018-02-09 07:02:47 AM  
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2018-02-09 07:23:41 AM  

Mugato: FormlessOne: Will it have Marc Singer in it? No? Then I don't farking care.

Screw him, will Michael Ironside be in it?


But sadly, Ham Tyler without his associate, Chris Farber.

The original V miniseries is pretty high concept for early 80s network TV, but of course it didn't age well. V:The Final Battle, which came out a year later, was light years better.
The TV series that came out a year or so after that was pretty crappy. Although there was some interesting bits about implying extracurricular activities between Diana, proper 80s vixen Jane Badler, and her subordinate played by June  Chadwick. Provocative for 1984 NBC. At least, that's what I thought as a 13 year at the time.
Didn't catch any of the recent reboot.
A big screen version of V will get a lot of comparisons to Independence Day, especially since the opening shots of the ships arriving in the first ID4 looked very like higher budget ships from V showing up. If you've seen one miles wide disk shaped ship hovering over LA, you've seen them all.
 
2018-02-09 07:29:24 AM  
Morena Baccarin was definitely the high point in the V reboot.  Good lord that woman is ridiculously attractive and a good actress.
 
2018-02-09 07:38:38 AM  

wildcardjack: I haven't seen either version, but if you need a miniseries to tell a story, it won't translate well to the 2.5 hour max format.

The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress would make a great series, but it's not a 2.5 hour story.


I look at a lot of books I like that were turned into movies and shudder. I say at best most only contain 10%-20% from the book and just insert the Hollywood formula in there and turn it to crap. Some could do well as a mini series or a couple movies.
 
2018-02-09 07:46:01 AM  
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You know she needs the work.
 
2018-02-09 07:57:10 AM  
As long as we get this unchanged I will be content.

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2018-02-09 08:17:42 AM  

Gordon Bennett: As long as we get this unchanged I will be content.

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richard geres mom?
 
2018-02-09 08:27:59 AM  

Hendawg: Yes, that one from 10 years ago was meh at best.  But it did introduce us to Morena Baccarin, and what's her name that played her blonde haired daughter.

/I'll be in my bunk


Laura Vandervoort, who also played Supergirl on Smallville.
 
2018-02-09 08:33:29 AM  
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2018-02-09 09:15:08 AM  

One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.


It worked for 13-year old you because you were a cliche character with hammy acting.  Every 13-year old is.
 
2018-02-09 09:15:11 AM  

ol' gormsby: loonatic112358: whither_apophis: Forget V. Do Alien Nation 30 years now after the slags Newcomers have been here.

Oh that one could be good with the right writers, and on HBO or similar

OTOH, "Bright"


I didn't think Bright was that bad, personally. It could use some tweaking and it would have probably worked better as a 6 episode show where they could flesh out some background stuff a bit more instead of the way they did it.

As for the recent reboot, the problem was that it seemed like the writers had no plan for where they wanted to take the show. It jumped around in a way that said "We're making this up on the fly and have nothing planned out"
 
2018-02-09 09:19:02 AM  

Gordon Bennett: As long as we get this unchanged I will be content.

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I remember an interview in Starlog where Jane Badler who played Diana talked about how much she hated that scene with eating the Guinea pig .  Mostly because she had little experience with creepy crawlies growing up so they kind of freaked her out, but she got through it.

Ah, found the issue online, here's the interview.  http://starlogged.blogspot.com/2012/1​1​/1984-jane-badler-discusses-v-starlog.​html
 
2018-02-09 09:21:00 AM  

Valacirca: 2009 is "early 2000s"?


Would you consider 1909 to be early 1900's?  I would.

On another note, the 80's version was cheesy and I only watched a couple eps at the time.  The 2009 version was really good though.  I'm still pissed they cancelled it when they did, it left off on a really big scene and I wanted to see what happened next.
 
2018-02-09 09:23:02 AM  

idrow: Valacirca: 2009 is "early 2000s"?

Would you consider 1909 to be early 1900's?  I would.

On another note, the 80's version was cheesy and I only watched a couple eps at the time.  The 2009 version was really good though.  I'm still pissed they cancelled it when they did, it left off on a really big scene and I wanted to see what happened next.


I don't know that I'd call it good, but it started getting coherent near the end.
 
2018-02-09 09:31:45 AM  

Hospitaller: One Bad Apple: Ever go back and actually rewatch the old 80's miniseries ? It. Is. Horrid. You think the worst thing would be the TV budget special effects but the dialogue and cliche characters and hammy acting is unbelievable. I don't understand how 13 year old me thought that was so awesome.

It worked for 13-year old you because you were a cliche character with hammy acting.  Every 13-year old is.


It was the 80's, you probably had very little to compare it to because nearly everything, especially the science fiction, was hammy and cheesy.  Think about the shows that were out at the time, The original BSG, Buck Rogers in the 25th century, and all the others like Manimal, Voyagers, Matthew Star, Automan, or even Man from Atlantis (still in re-runs in the early 80's)
 
2018-02-09 09:33:04 AM  

Memoryalpha: Gordon Bennett: As long as we get this unchanged I will be content.

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I remember an interview in Starlog where Jane Badler who played Diana talked about how much she hated that scene with eating the Guinea pig .  Mostly because she had little experience with creepy crawlies growing up so they kind of freaked her out, but she got through it.

Ah, found the issue online, here's the interview.  http://starlogged.blogspot.com/2012/11​/1984-jane-badler-discusses-v-starlog.​html


A guinea pig isn't a creepy-crawly, it's a cuddly-wuddly.
Wait, SHE ACTUALLY HAD TO EAT IT?
 
2018-02-09 09:35:42 AM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Memoryalpha: Gordon Bennett: As long as we get this unchanged I will be content.

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I remember an interview in Starlog where Jane Badler who played Diana talked about how much she hated that scene with eating the Guinea pig .  Mostly because she had little experience with creepy crawlies growing up so they kind of freaked her out, but she got through it.

Ah, found the issue online, here's the interview.  http://starlogged.blogspot.com/2012/11​/1984-jane-badler-discusses-v-starlog.​html

A guinea pig isn't a creepy-crawly, it's a cuddly-wuddly.
Wait, SHE ACTUALLY HAD TO EAT IT?


I think she was raised in Australia...  Anything cuddly-wuddly would probably kill you just by looking at you, thus little contact with small critters.
 
2018-02-09 09:42:00 AM  

Valacirca: 2009 is "early 2000s"?


It was also nearly 10 years ago.  Which makes me feel even older.
 
2018-02-09 09:46:00 AM  
It was bad in the 80's.  The only reason you watched it was;

1)There were 3 TV channels and the other two were showing courtroom dramas

2) you hoped someone would eat a hamster or get their face ripped off.
 
2018-02-09 10:05:41 AM  

Ishkur: Birnone: The original V had a Nazi subtext,

It wasn't a subtext, it was an overtext. Kenneth Johnson wrote it as a deliberate allegory of the Third Reich.

I mean, it doesn't get any more blatant than this:

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Yes, the acting and dialogue is really cringey (it's a TV miniseries, what do you expect?) and the special effects have not aged well, but the overall narrative of fascism's takeover and its hallmark signifiers (manipulation and control of all media, false flag attacks that warrant an increase in security and rescinding all rights and freedoms, and demonization of enemies to the cause -- in this case scientists and intellectuals) are all there, both in the mini-series and happening now in real life.

It's really a series worth remaking, if done right. The last one was not done right -- it stripped out all NAZI imagery and allegory, rendering it completely pointless.


The original one had some powerful moments, most notably the old man taking the spray can from the graffiti-spraying kid and showing him what he really should be doing.

But hey, since a 1980's TV budget couldn't come up with convincing shot of a jaw unhinging to eat a live rat, let's just call the whole thing cheesy and ignore it.  I'm sure the upcoming CGI shiatfest will be much better.
 
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