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2018-02-08 07:47:25 PM  
Huh. That's actually a good story - Walgreen's did the right thing, without requiring litigation, or ridiculous posturing, or any of the other bullshiat we've seen from other stores. And, they didn't take advantage of the situation, either - they simply said, "yep, that's broken, we'll fix it, thanks" and then fixed it.

Nice. We need to see more of that.
 
2018-02-08 08:11:36 PM  
In before the inevitable "why do they have to be so political" bullsh*t from certain members of the population like what happened with Target.
 
2018-02-08 08:30:32 PM  
What a woman who might be mistaken for a man might look like:

YouTube video from ACLU SoCal for Jessie Meehan
 
2018-02-08 08:55:54 PM  
Wait, Walgreens has public restrooms?
 
2018-02-08 09:29:13 PM  
Oh yeah, OK

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2018-02-08 09:56:11 PM  

FormlessOne: Huh. That's actually a good story - Walgreen's did the right thing, without requiring litigation, or ridiculous posturing, or any of the other bullshiat we've seen from other stores. And, they didn't take advantage of the situation, either - they simply said, "yep, that's broken, we'll fix it, thanks" and then fixed it.

Nice. We need to see more of that.


Well, she did have to get the ACLU involved.

Two months later, when no action was taken, ACLU staff attorney Amanda Goad sent a letter to Walgreens laying out the California law,
 
2018-02-08 09:58:49 PM  
Was it Steven Tyler?

Or Tyler Perry?
 
2018-02-08 10:00:18 PM  
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Advertisement on kiosk just outside the entrance and, coincidentally, the very song playing in the Muzak rotation as the conversation took place.
 
2018-02-08 10:01:28 PM  
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2018-02-08 10:13:56 PM  
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2018-02-08 10:32:58 PM  
Why would you go to Walgreens to go to the bathroom? Home Depot is way less judgy, understaffed.
 
2018-02-08 10:40:38 PM  
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2018-02-09 12:03:15 AM  

vudukungfu: Was it Steven Tyler?

Or Tyler Perry?


Aerosmith - Dude (Looks Like A Lady)
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2018-02-09 12:47:55 AM  
No Austin Powers reference yet?
 
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2018-02-09 03:37:11 AM  
At least around here, the restrooms there are not monitored, few would see you use them let alone raise alarm. Mine are all big box store types where real estate allows them.

Fark you if you are that much of a busybody. And bless your heart it a Walgreens, CVS, rite aid, or any of the sort is where you have to take a piss. I don't mean that in the southern sense, I hope better bathrooms are available.
 
2018-02-09 05:43:59 AM  
Back in my day, customers would just shait on the floors and walls in protest.
 
2018-02-09 06:07:43 AM  

simplicimus: No Austin Powers reference yet?


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2018-02-09 06:51:16 AM  
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2018-02-09 07:17:48 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Wait, Walgreens has public restrooms?


Everywhere is a public restroom, if you're brave enough.
 
2018-02-09 08:11:47 AM  
I'm less concerned about the gender of the person sharing the restroom with me as I am the stench level they're going to create. Instead of separating by gender, I'd rather have one restroom devoted to (non-asparagus-related) tinkling and light deuce-dropping (but only if you haven't recently eaten Mexican/Indian food), and one for folks planning on those force-five shiatstorm dumps where they unleash a basketball-size chocolate mud baby or spray a big old spicy fudge dragon all over the toilet that turns the air purple and blows out three fluorescent tubes.
 
2018-02-09 08:12:05 AM  
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Jessie Meehan
dont / giva / fuk
 
2018-02-09 08:12:34 AM  

Dahnkster: simplicimus: No Austin Powers reference yet?

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You sir, get a smart and funny.
 
2018-02-09 08:12:53 AM  

Log from Blammo: What a woman who might be mistaken for a man might look like:

YouTube video from ACLU SoCal for Jessie Meehan


Uh... They thought THAT person was a man? To the point where they weren't willing to accept a simple "I'm a woman" from her? Wow. Sounds like a couple of employees who were dead set on stopping an evil trans from going in the "wrong" restroom on pride day, and just went for the first woman they saw with short hair. Because women all have long hair.
 
2018-02-09 08:14:21 AM  
Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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2018-02-09 08:19:22 AM  

fusillade762: FormlessOne: Huh. That's actually a good story - Walgreen's did the right thing, without requiring litigation, or ridiculous posturing, or any of the other bullshiat we've seen from other stores. And, they didn't take advantage of the situation, either - they simply said, "yep, that's broken, we'll fix it, thanks" and then fixed it.

Nice. We need to see more of that.

Well, she did have to get the ACLU involved.

Two months later, when no action was taken, ACLU staff attorney Amanda Goad sent a letter to Walgreens laying out the California law,


Yeah, they did the right thing (agree to follow the law) after it became clear they were about to be sued by someone with the resources to make them pay up.
 
2018-02-09 08:19:40 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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No shiat. She's pretty cute.
 
2018-02-09 08:20:41 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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Do I think she's a dude? No. Would I briefly wonder if she were trans? Yes.
 
2018-02-09 08:21:47 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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Not with a forklift.
 
2018-02-09 08:23:19 AM  
There's no apostrophe in Walgreens. And for you old farts, it's not pronounced "wool grins" either. It's also not Walmart.
 
2018-02-09 08:25:04 AM  
She just looks a little diesel to me, but that's only because of the Vanilla Ice haircut.
 
2018-02-09 08:25:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.


I mean, maybe, I could see the employees of Walgreens in Spencer, Iowa being that clueless.  But the Walgreens at Sunset and Vine?  Seriously?

/ right up my hetero cis-male alley
// may have hit on more lesbians than not in college
 
2018-02-09 08:26:23 AM  
I mean, maybe under really bad lighting (like in your typical Walgreens), the clerk mistook her from Kevin from The Wonder Years.

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2018-02-09 08:27:38 AM  

TheSubjunctive: But the Walgreens at Sunset and Vine?


That was the part that got me. Your store is located in Hollyweird, and in the battle of "funny looking folks shouldn't be going potty" this is the hill you're going to die on?
 
2018-02-09 08:29:54 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm less concerned about the gender of the person sharing the restroom with me as I am the stench level they're going to create. Instead of separating by gender, I'd rather have one restroom devoted to (non-asparagus-related) tinkling and light deuce-dropping (but only if you haven't recently eaten Mexican/Indian food), and one for folks planning on those force-five shiatstorm dumps where they unleash a basketball-size chocolate mud baby or spray a big old spicy fudge dragon all over the toilet that turns the air purple and blows out three fluorescent tubes.


My in-laws remodeled their bathroom a few years ago, got one of those fancy two-button "dual-flush" toilets; I'd never seen one before so I asked if you could push both buttons at once to tackle the occasional "number three", they pretended not to know what I was talking about...
 
2018-02-09 08:31:33 AM  
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2018-02-09 08:34:33 AM  

Greek: Because women all have long hair.


As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume
 
2018-02-09 08:39:44 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


You got a nice tail eh?
 
2018-02-09 08:42:20 AM  

Greek: Log from Blammo: What a woman who might be mistaken for a man might look like:

YouTube video from ACLU SoCal for Jessie Meehan

Uh... They thought THAT person was a man? To the point where they weren't willing to accept a simple "I'm a woman" from her? Wow. Sounds like a couple of employees who were dead set on stopping an evil trans from going in the "wrong" restroom on pride day, and just went for the first woman they saw with short hair. Because women all have long hair.


Yea but you haven't heard her talk, she makes Dr. Girlfriend sound like a squeeze toy by comparison.
 
2018-02-09 08:45:42 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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I would have thought lesbian.
 
2018-02-09 08:48:45 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


You just need an epic enough beard for them to notice even when you're turned away from them.

/still get ma'amed
 
2018-02-09 08:52:43 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


As another dude with long hair usually in a ponytail I'll second this. I don't even have anything close to a "feminine"  figure from behind either. I'm a average height, extremely broad shoulders dude with a fridge shaped body.
 
2018-02-09 08:55:52 AM  
I'm going to go on the record that, while in principle I don't care which bathroom anyone uses, I am opposed to a shared unisex bathroom.  There are two motivations to this:
1. I've had to clean public bathrooms in the past. The Men's room can get bad, but it is nowhere near the level of horror of the Women's room.
2. I don't want to find myself in the stall next to my date as per the risk of a circumstance that Prank Call of Cthulhu describes.  Not that I think she doesn't do it, just that I don't want to experience it first hand. It tends to kill the mood...
 
2018-02-09 08:57:51 AM  
I don't believe any of this happened. You'd have to believe Walgreen's had a bathroom attendant on duty checking to see if you were going to the "correct" bathroom. It;s ridiculous.
 
2018-02-09 09:07:35 AM  
There is so much controversy about getting the right to use the "proper" bathroom for your chosen gender..... what are people really doing in there?  So much effort for a couple minutes.  Are they doing selfies to brag to their 500 closest friends that they got to choose which bathroom to use?  Maybe they're trying to make friends in there?

Pee, handwash, then GTFO.  Otherwise you're creepy... regardless of birth or chosen gender.
 
2018-02-09 09:09:03 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


Long, long ago I was waiting to pick my brother up from work, sitting in the car at the back of the store, with the back door to the building open so I could see through it to the front (Alphagraphix). Someone had asked my brother if his mom was waiting for him, as I apparently looked like a haggard old woman, as it was described with my long, black hair.

I also used to have a moustache (back in 1999), and wear glasses. I took my day off work, and came back to be laughingly told someone had come in and asked for the fat Weird Al guy.

I shaved my face and cut my hair the following day.
 
2018-02-09 09:10:13 AM  

oryx: I don't believe any of this happened. You'd have to believe Walgreen's had a bathroom attendant on duty checking to see if you were going to the "correct" bathroom. It;s ridiculous.


This.

Plus it being a Walgreens on Sunset Blvd in LA makes this doubly hard to believe.
 
2018-02-09 09:11:35 AM  
If some chick wants to dress up like a dude to see my wang I say go right ahead.
 
2018-02-09 09:14:18 AM  

tukatz: There is so much controversy about getting the right to use the "proper" bathroom for your chosen gender..... what are people really doing in there?


Well, look at the folks who are vitally concerned with folks using the "right" bathroom. They tend be conservatives, and conservatives aren't really known for their brilliance. "But would you want a dude in the stall next to your wife or daughter?" they ask. I think they reason as follows:

Bathrooms are places where genitals get exposed.
Sex happens when genitals are exposed.
If you're in a bathroom, therefore, sex might happen to you.

No, I don't get it either. I mean, like 99% of the problem (where by "problem" I guess we mean someone might see a genital in the bathroom) could be fixed if people in the US could adopt the same technology used in the rest of the modern world that allows other countries to build bathroom stalls that don't have like half-inch gaps all the way around the doors. At that point, there's zero chance of anyone seeing a genital.

"But, but, someone could stick a phone under the stall and take a picture!"

Yeah, let's think that one through, genius. A phone that gets put under the stall divider is a phone that's getting taken away and flushed.
 
2018-02-09 09:24:27 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


When my son was younger he had below shoulder length hair.  He finally cut it after too many people called him a girl even after being corrected, funny thing is none of his classmates cared it was all "adults"
 
2018-02-09 09:27:02 AM  

grumpfuff: Greek: Because women all have long hair.

As a dude with long hair working retail, with a short-haired female co-worker, I can tell you this is a prevailing sentiment, and not just with bigots.

/has had to condition himself to at least turn around for "ma'am" or "miss"
//most people see the ponytail and assume


And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply.
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why.
He said, "You look like a fine, upstanding young man, I think you'll do."
So I took off my hat and said, "Imagine that! Huh! Me, working for you!"
 
2018-02-09 09:27:51 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I mean, maybe under really bad lighting (like in your typical Walgreens), the clerk mistook her from Kevin from The Wonder Years.

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Pretty sure that's Johnny Galiki and not Fred Savage.

/Or is it Becky?
 
2018-02-09 09:43:26 AM  

big pig peaches: oryx: I don't believe any of this happened. You'd have to believe Walgreen's had a bathroom attendant on duty checking to see if you were going to the "correct" bathroom. It;s ridiculous.

This.

Plus it being a Walgreens on Sunset Blvd in LA makes this doubly hard to believe.


Most WAGs have locked bathrooms. It GREATLY reduces theft. The employee that responds to the page hopefully picks the right door to unlock. I've made the mistake once, but it was a very haggard homeless person with long hair and a hat under a bulky coat.
 
2018-02-09 09:50:37 AM  
I call BS on the employees.  They didn't think she's a man, they were just being a total @sshats.  That this is an issue in 2018 and that the employees involved weren't terminated is an indictment on where we are as a culture.

/I get called ma'am periodically and I have a large red beard and a deeper voice.  I figure its a mistake and just laugh about it.
 
2018-02-09 09:53:16 AM  

interstellar_tedium: He finally cut it after too many people called him a girl even after being corrected, funny thing is none of his classmates cared it was all "adults"


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So the people who knew he was a boy didn't call him a girl and the ones who didn't mistook an unknown person with long hair called him a girl?
 
2018-02-09 09:55:13 AM  

hobnail: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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No shiat. She's pretty cute.


I wouldn't got that far, but she's nonetheless very obviously a woman.

/Yeah, Studmann69 and all that crap...
 
2018-02-09 10:12:10 AM  
"...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?
 
2018-02-09 10:20:54 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm less concerned about the gender of the person sharing the restroom with me as I am the stench level they're going to create. Instead of separating by gender, I'd rather have one restroom devoted to (non-asparagus-related) tinkling and light deuce-dropping (but only if you haven't recently eaten Mexican/Indian food), and one for folks planning on those force-five shiatstorm dumps where they unleash a basketball-size chocolate mud baby or spray a big old spicy fudge dragon all over the toilet that turns the air purple and blows out three fluorescent tubes.


My wife made crock-pot seven-bean diced ham soup the other day, so I completely understand your point.
 
2018-02-09 10:24:16 AM  

vudukungfu: Was it Steven Tyler?

Or Tyler Perry?


Pat.
 
2018-02-09 10:29:23 AM  

big pig peaches: oryx: I don't believe any of this happened. You'd have to believe Walgreen's had a bathroom attendant on duty checking to see if you were going to the "correct" bathroom. It;s ridiculous.

This.

Plus it being a Walgreens on Sunset Blvd in LA makes this doubly hard to believe.


You have to ask for a key at the pharmacy or front counter to get into the bathrooms there. If they didn't do that, they'd have issues with everything from theft to homeless people trying to set up camp in the stalls - like we have had happen where I work, most recently last month.

"What were you going to do when everyone left and the doors were locked?"
"Move over to the bedding department".

It's always good to have a plan, I guess.
 
2018-02-09 10:31:35 AM  

RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?


obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.
 
2018-02-09 10:35:14 AM  

oryx: I don't believe any of this happened. You'd have to believe Walgreen's had a bathroom attendant on duty checking to see if you were going to the "correct" bathroom. It;s ridiculous.


AFAIK, all Walgreens' bathrooms (at least here in OC) are always locked, and an employee needs to come let you or buzz you in. So yeah, in effect a bathroom attendant.
 
2018-02-09 10:47:35 AM  

Alcaste: RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?

obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.

You do know I was referring to peeing in the toilet while standing up, right?
 
2018-02-09 10:49:27 AM  

hobnail: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

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No shiat. She's pretty cute.


Yup, kind of a P!nk "rocker chick" thing going on...
 
2018-02-09 10:50:06 AM  

tukatz: There is so much controversy about getting the right to use the "proper" bathroom for your chosen gender..... what are people really doing in there?  So much effort for a couple minutes.  Are they doing selfies to brag to their 500 closest friends that they got to choose which bathroom to use?  Maybe they're trying to make friends in there?

Pee, handwash, then GTFO.  Otherwise you're creepy... regardless of birth or chosen gender.


Consider the people that are most opposed to other people using the "wrong" bathroom, and how they like to use public bathrooms.  You can imagine just how horrified a Republican Senator would be if he encountered a female in there!
 
2018-02-09 10:51:22 AM  

RedHeadLover: Alcaste: RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?

obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.
You do know I was referring to peeing in the toilet while standing up, right?


You think a trans woman using a public restroom is going to pee standing up? With the current stupidity-induced climate of fear of trans people that has been stirred up, she's going to out herself that way or do ANYTHING to draw attenion?

That's cute.
*pats head*
 
2018-02-09 10:53:02 AM  

RedHeadLover: Alcaste: RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?

obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.
You do know I was referring to peeing in the toilet while standing up, right?


In a stall, my dude. Bathrooms usually have stalls. Being uncomfortable in her case was because she was surrounded by men in the men's bathroom as a woman. In your hypothetical scenario, the only thing that's different from any other bathroom encounter is what way someone's shoes are facing.

But when you said "man identifying as a woman" you not only showed your hand, your fumbled the entire deck onto the table and knocked all the chips over.
 
2018-02-09 10:56:47 AM  

Alcaste: RedHeadLover: Alcaste: RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?

obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.
You do know I was referring to peeing in the toilet while standing up, right?

In a stall, my dude. Bathrooms usually have stalls. Being uncomfortable in her case was because she was surrounded by men in the men's bathroom as a woman. In your hypothetical scenario, the only thing that's different from any other bathroom encounter is what way someone's shoes are facing.

But when you said "man identifying as a woman" you not only showed your hand, your fumbled the entire deck onto the table and knocked all the chips over.


That's fair AND that's what I was wondering.  Thanks for the response!
 
2018-02-09 10:57:10 AM  
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2018-02-09 10:58:33 AM  
Round two. . .

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2018-02-09 10:59:58 AM  
Round three. . .

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2018-02-09 11:00:33 AM  
Bonus round!

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2018-02-09 11:02:44 AM  
Bottom line:  Looks aren't enough to tell where someone should "officially" be peeing, and what's under their clothes is none of your damn business.
 
2018-02-09 11:10:42 AM  

WilderKWight: Bottom line:  Looks aren't enough to tell where someone should "officially" be peeing, and what's under their clothes is none of your damn business.


Thank you! The birth-certificate madness has to stop. The impending Prop 1 in Anchorage this year goes so far as to specify "original birth certificate " for bathroom access. So:

Female on driver's license? Check
Female on US passport? Check
Has a vagina? Check
Original birth cert says "Male"?

Go use the men's room for "public safety". Enjoy your inevitable harassment and possibe bonus beating for the greater good.

Seriously, fark these people.
 
2018-02-09 11:14:00 AM  
Someone who identifies with a different gender than their body parts dictate may feel uncomfortable using the bathroom of their birth gender.

People using a bathroom and having someone physically of the opposite gender come in will also feel uncomfortable.

We will eventually have to make one person bathrooms everywhere to protect everyone's rights and feelings.

Bathrooms are no longer about bodily functions.  They are now a political issue.
 
2018-02-09 11:19:16 AM  

tukatz: Someone who identifies with a different gender than their body parts dictate may feel uncomfortable using the bathroom of their birth gender.

People using a bathroom and having someone physically of the opposite gender come in will also feel uncomfortable.

We will eventually have to make one person bathrooms everywhere to protect everyone's rights and feelings.

Bathrooms are no longer about bodily functions.  They are now a political issue.


Trans people have been using public bathrooms since forever. Only after the religious right lost on same-sex marriage did bathrooms become a political issue. All of the bathroom bills and the attendant panic they induce have been the creation of GOP legislators or ballot initiatives pushed by evangelical family associations.

You want to blame a group for causing this issue to be front and center, look to republicans and their fundie friends, not trans people who are trying to lead lives that are as normal as possible.
 
2018-02-09 11:19:20 AM  
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2018-02-09 11:23:27 AM  
A lot of business the have two restrooms, the kind with one toilet and a lock on the door have woman and men designations and simply made them restrooms.   Me,  if I gotta pee right now and the mens room is locked I'll use the women's room. Better that getting my socks wet. If ever confronted I'll just say I'm trans.
 
2018-02-09 11:26:52 AM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: A lot of business the have two restrooms, the kind with one toilet and a lock on the door have woman and men designations and simply made them restrooms.   Me,  if I gotta pee right now and the mens room is locked I'll use the women's room. Better that getting my socks wet. If ever confronted I'll just say I'm trans.


Oof, you were so close. You can use any bathroom you want as it is - there's no law against it. I use the ladies room all the time, especially at the bar, because sometimes the line is nuts. If anyone confronts me I just say the line was too long and move on. Because, good golly gosh, it's not actually a political issue and trans people aren't for your gawking.
 
2018-02-09 11:31:47 AM  
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2018-02-09 11:41:30 AM  
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2018-02-09 12:03:11 PM  
This should simply follow the Mrs. Khan model.  If you looka like a man, use the mens room.  If you not looka like a man, use the woman's room.  Nobody would know or care because in each case of the bending, you are using stalls 100% of the time.  By enshrining this nonsense into law you open the door to pervs to just go wherever they want.
 
2018-02-09 12:03:34 PM  
CIS gender male here. Checked my privileges so on and so forth. A few thoughts:

What happens if they are Trans MtF and get "busted" by a female with a sharp eye on their way to the stall? Do they finish like a boss like they are supposed to or do they 'nope' out of there for fear of "retaliation"?

Anyway can't we all just make a third bathroom, label it "For Everyone" or "one size fits all", toss a bowl in there and no one would be the wiser?

Also in LGBT, why is it that most GBT's have a thing for guys? If there's something you all have in common it seems to be that. I'm going to duck and cover now, I don't really know what I'm talking about, and you all blew it when we elected you know who by deciding not to vote.
 
2018-02-09 12:03:55 PM  

CivicMindedFive: This should simply follow the Mrs. Khan model.  If you looka like a man, use the mens room.  If you not looka like a man, use the woman's room.  Nobody would know or care because in each case of the bending, you are using stalls 100% of the time.  By enshrining this nonsense into law you open the door to pervs to just go wherever they want.


Which means that, really, they should have a urinal room and a stall room.
 
2018-02-09 12:24:38 PM  

padraig: hobnail: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

[img.fark.net image 689x425]

No shiat. She's pretty cute.

I wouldn't got that far, but she's nonetheless very obviously a woman.

/Yeah, Studmann69 and all that crap...


Loaf's Tray: hobnail: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not perhaps the most feminine of creatures, but if you think this is a dude, you need your eyes examined.

[img.fark.net image 689x425]

No shiat. She's pretty cute.

Yup, kind of a P!nk "rocker chick" thing going on...


Full disclosure, I have a thing for queer girls. Which can be awkward, as I am a dude.

/bi dude, but still.
//married a bi girl so it's all good
 
2018-02-09 01:53:39 PM  
Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best.   People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.

eKonk: I'm going to go on the record that, while in principle I don't care which bathroom anyone uses, I am opposed to a shared unisex bathroom.


I've got no objection to single-user unisex bathrooms, opposed to shared unisex facilities.    Mostly because that' becomes as an excuse to tear out urinals, ensuring everybody is equally inconvenienced by the slow throughput of stalls.  For all the social awkwardness of a wall full of urinals with maybe a tiny partition between, it is efficient.
 
2018-02-09 02:01:01 PM  
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2018-02-09 02:07:52 PM  

ChicagoKev: Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best. People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.


Then please explain to thos of us who are directly and negatively affected by trans bathroom panic why GOP/fundamentalists are crafting laws that specify "original birth certificate" as the sole determinant for bathroom privileges. Trans people in *most* states can get their state ids updated to reflect their new gender. The US state department issues passports with new gender markers. Those are good enough to get into a foreign country, but apparently not a bathroom in some jurisdictions. IF trans people were a diversion/strawman, then the bill would be crafted to call for a much looser standard than original birth certificate. But no, they aren't. They are SPECIFICALLY crafted to target the trans community. "Keeping pervs out of bathrooms" is just the side effect.

And really, the people pushing these laws seem to have forgotten about trans men, whom they want to send to the women's room where there WILL be problems, because the women in there will assume they're pervy rapists invading their space.

Wait, maybe that's the plan. Shame the trans women and keep them terrified of public restrooms, and put trans men in a position of having the cops called when they need to pee. Sigh.
 
2018-02-09 02:13:24 PM  

Eclectic: ChicagoKev: Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best. People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.

Then please explain to those of us who are directly and negatively affected by trans bathroom panic why GOP/fundamentalists are crafting laws...


As I said people prefer the status quo --  it's only the activists/fundamentalists who want to see things change, and a subset of them are pushing for either extreme.

I've noticed a female-presenting person in the men's room a few times, never felt the urge to challenge their presence, much less "panic".
 
2018-02-09 02:19:19 PM  

ChicagoKev: Eclectic: ChicagoKev: Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best. People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.

Then please explain to those of us who are directly and negatively affected by trans bathroom panic why GOP/fundamentalists are crafting laws...

As I said people prefer the status quo --  it's only the activists/fundamentalists who want to see things change, and a subset of them are pushing for either extreme.


The status quo is that trans people use the bathroom that:
a) they are most comfortable in
b) matches their presentation
c) is least likely to cause problems or an incident (See b)

That's the way it's been for years and years and years. I've been post-op for 14 years, and up until about two years ago, I've never had to worry about laws banishing me to the mens room. They are a solution in search of a problem.

ChicagoKev: I've noticed a female-presenting person in the men's room a few times, never felt the urge to challenge their presence, much less "panic".


Good for you. But I have to tell you that publicly outing ones self like that is an invitation for harassment or worse. Personally, I've survived a rape and an attempted strangulation because I was outed against my will. So I won't be using the men's room anywhere, ever. Not stupid enough to put a target on my own back.
 
2018-02-09 02:24:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [img.fark.net image 850x636] et al


Well played.
 
2018-02-09 02:26:23 PM  
I have never understood all the fuss. It doesn't matter what 'gender' they are, they would still have to use a stall in their preferred bathroom. So you (as in the pearl clutchers) will not be exposed to anything, unless they walk out of the stall before 'adjusting' their clothing.
 
2018-02-09 02:27:35 PM  

tukatz: We will eventually have to make one person bathrooms everywhere to protect everyone's rights and feelings.


I'm OK with this. I hate having to share a restroom with other guys anyway. I don't want to hear Jethro in the next stall grunting and making poop noises. I don't want to smell him. I don't want to see his feet under the stall. I don't want to watch him leave the stall and head straight for the door without even glancing at the sink. I don't want to stand at a urinal and have Jethro stand next to me, either.

Individual bathrooms with locking doors. That's the ticket.
 
2018-02-09 02:29:14 PM  

bratface: I have never understood all the fuss. It doesn't matter what 'gender' they are, they would still have to use a stall in their preferred bathroom. So you (as in the pearl clutchers) will not be exposed to anything, unless they walk out of the stall before 'adjusting' their clothing.


Yeah, the last time I saw anyone's junk in a public bathroom was... never. :)
 
2018-02-09 02:33:29 PM  

Eclectic: bratface: I have never understood all the fuss. It doesn't matter what 'gender' they are, they would still have to use a stall in their preferred bathroom. So you (as in the pearl clutchers) will not be exposed to anything, unless they walk out of the stall before 'adjusting' their clothing.

Yeah, the last time I saw anyone's junk in a public bathroom was... never. :)


Well, jeez..! You're just not tapping your foot the right way or looking into the right holes drilled into the stalls.
 
2018-02-09 02:34:41 PM  

WilderKWight: Eclectic: bratface: I have never understood all the fuss. It doesn't matter what 'gender' they are, they would still have to use a stall in their preferred bathroom. So you (as in the pearl clutchers) will not be exposed to anything, unless they walk out of the stall before 'adjusting' their clothing.

Yeah, the last time I saw anyone's junk in a public bathroom was... never. :)

Well, jeez..! You're just not tapping your foot the right way or looking into the right holes drilled into the stalls.


I missed those classes as the LGBT Academy :(
 
2018-02-09 02:51:15 PM  

Eclectic: ChicagoKev: Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best. People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.

Then please explain to thos of us who are directly and negatively affected by trans bathroom panic why GOP/fundamentalists are crafting laws that specify "original birth certificate" as the sole determinant for bathroom privileges. Trans people in *most* states can get their state ids updated to reflect their new gender. The US state department issues passports with new gender markers. Those are good enough to get into a foreign country, but apparently not a bathroom in some jurisdictions. IF trans people were a diversion/strawman, then the bill would be crafted to call for a much looser standard than original birth certificate. But no, they aren't. They are SPECIFICALLY crafted to target the trans community. "Keeping pervs out of bathrooms" is just the side effect.

And really, the people pushing these laws seem to have forgotten about trans men, whom they want to send to the women's room where there WILL be problems, because the women in there will assume they're pervy rapists invading their space.

Wait, maybe that's the plan. Shame the trans women and keep them terrified of public restrooms, and put trans men in a position of having the cops called when they need to pee. Sigh.


I am almost 100% certain the mean conservatives weren't touching you in scary places before activists started yammering about enshrining in law letting anybody go into whatever bathroom they want.  If people used the bathroom that matched their outward appearance like the status quo since bathrooms there would be no need to have any kind of law.  The worst outcome, IMO, is to create laws that state anybody can self-identify as anything in terms of bathroom and locker room usage.  The number of problems it solves is near zero while it creates a lot of potential problems with giving pervs legal access.
 
2018-02-09 02:58:52 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Eclectic: ChicagoKev: Everybody likes to pretend the opposition is about trans folk, but that's a strawman at best. People prefer the status quo: zero tolerance for any manly-looking perv loitering in the ladies room.

Then please explain to thos of us who are directly and negatively affected by trans bathroom panic why GOP/fundamentalists are crafting laws that specify "original birth certificate" as the sole determinant for bathroom privileges. Trans people in *most* states can get their state ids updated to reflect their new gender. The US state department issues passports with new gender markers. Those are good enough to get into a foreign country, but apparently not a bathroom in some jurisdictions. IF trans people were a diversion/strawman, then the bill would be crafted to call for a much looser standard than original birth certificate. But no, they aren't. They are SPECIFICALLY crafted to target the trans community. "Keeping pervs out of bathrooms" is just the side effect.

And really, the people pushing these laws seem to have forgotten about trans men, whom they want to send to the women's room where there WILL be problems, because the women in there will assume they're pervy rapists invading their space.

Wait, maybe that's the plan. Shame the trans women and keep them terrified of public restrooms, and put trans men in a position of having the cops called when they need to pee. Sigh.

I am almost 100% certain the mean conservatives weren't touching you in scary places before activists started yammering about enshrining in law letting anybody go into whatever bathroom they want.  If people used the bathroom that matched their outward appearance like the status quo since bathrooms there would be no need to have any kind of law.  The worst outcome, IMO, is to create laws that state anybody can self-identify as anything in terms of bathroom and locker room usage.  The number of problems it solves is near zero while it creates a lot of potential problems with ...


Damn marginalized people, asking for explicit anti-discrimination protections! If they just kept their heads down and mouths shut and kept hiding, the GOP wouldn't have to punish them!
*rolls eyes*
 
2018-02-09 03:02:49 PM  

CivicMindedFive: I am almost 100% certain the mean conservatives weren't touching you in scary places before activists started yammering about enshrining in law letting anybody go into whatever bathroom they want.


Oh, actually, let me honestly answer this. After I transitioned, my employer at the time demanded I use a bathroom in a building not owned by the company.  Then after I was a good girl, I got to use the one in the basement parking garage, as long as I took a spotter with me to guard the door. Totally not illegal in the state I was in. So yeah, why ask for anti-discrimination protections? Because of businesses and municipalities being able bullshiat like that.
 
2018-02-09 04:23:26 PM  

WilderKWight: Prank Call of Cthulhu: [img.fark.net image 850x636] et al

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2018-02-09 05:01:48 PM  
What's so hard about just going in the bathroom that matches your sex? If you want to see d!cks in the ladies room, just go to pornhub like the rest of us.
 
2018-02-09 05:08:01 PM  

Godwin_for_3!: What's so hard about just going in the bathroom that matches your sex?


That's what the woman from TFA was trying to do.
 
2018-02-09 07:37:50 PM  

CivicMindedFive: I'm almost 100% certain the mean conservatives weren't touching you in scary places before activists started yammering about enshrining in law letting anybody go into whatever bathroom they want.


This would make some sense if not for the fact that this only became an issue when conservatives started whining about it. Trans people were using the bathroom of their choice long before it became political.
 
2018-02-09 08:08:11 PM  

mrwippl3: I call BS on the employees.  They didn't think she's a man, they were just being a total @sshats.  That this is an issue in 2018 and that the employees involved weren't terminated is an indictment on where we are as a culture.

/I get called ma'am periodically and I have a large red beard and a deeper voice.  I figure its a mistake and just laugh about it.


I get called 'sir' quite a lot, though I have long hair and pretty big breasts, and usually wear a skirt or dress. I guess I do look a bit butch.
 
2018-02-09 10:05:15 PM  

Godwin_for_3!: What's so hard about just going in the bathroom that matches your sex? If you want to see d!cks in the ladies room, just go to pornhub like the rest of us.


I have a full beard, male pattern baldness, and my passport and drivers license say that I am male. However, my birf certificat says I am female, and I have a vag. Where should I pee?

Please answer soon. I can only hold it so long!
 
2018-02-09 11:18:03 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: TheSubjunctive: But the Walgreens at Sunset and Vine?

That was the part that got me. Your store is located in Hollyweird, and in the battle of "funny looking folks shouldn't be going potty" this is the hill you're going to die on?


Prank Call of Cthulhu: TheSubjunctive: But the Walgreens at Sunset and Vine?

That was the part that got me. Your store is located in Hollyweird, and in the battle of "funny looking folks shouldn't be going potty" this is the hill you're going to die on?


big pig peaches: Plus it being a Walgreens on Sunset Blvd in LA makes this doubly hard to believe.


Hollywood is not the Hollyweird I loved when I was younger. Gentrification has hit it HARD, with all the WASPy fear of non-conformity and busybody attitudes that always brings. Not just whites, either; well-to-do Latinos can out-WASP any white conservative any day, even if they don't meet any of the acronym.

mrwippl3: I call BS on the employees. They didn't think she's a man, they were just being a total @sshats. That this is an issue in 2018 and that the employees involved weren't terminated is an indictment on where we are as a culture.


It was absolutely asshats who hate teh gay and wanted to fark with her. We don't actually know if they were fired or not, being the cause of a nationwide response from corporate tends to be a very career-limiting move.
 
2018-02-10 07:05:57 AM  

CivicMindedFive: This should simply follow the Mrs. Khan model.  If you looka like a man, use the mens room.  If you not looka like a man, use the woman's room.  Nobody would know or care because in each case of the bending, you are using stalls 100% of the time.  By enshrining this nonsense into law you open the door to pervs to just go wherever they want.


so you mean exactly the way it's always been without issue?
 
2018-02-10 10:22:15 AM  

Eclectic: WilderKWight: Bottom line:  Looks aren't enough to tell where someone should "officially" be peeing, and what's under their clothes is none of your damn business.

Thank you! The birth-certificate madness has to stop. The impending Prop 1 in Anchorage this year goes so far as to specify "original birth certificate " for bathroom access. ...

Go use the men's room for "public safety". Enjoy your inevitable harassment and possibe bonus beating for the greater good.

Seriously, fark these people.


Alaska is an open carry state.    Once the bigots see the 1911 on your waist, they're less likely to scrutinize the rest of you for secondary sexual characteristics.
 
2018-02-10 01:51:11 PM  

RedHeadLover: Alcaste: RedHeadLover: "...didn't put up much of a fight and used the stall while the men used the urinals next to me," Meehan wrote in an email to Walgreens. "This in itself was very humiliating for me and I felt extremely uncomfortable."
THEN
California law, "which protects every person's right to access restrooms based on their gender identity in workplaces, schools and business establishments."

Not being snarky, but wondering....she wouldn't be uncomfortable if the same thing had happened in the women's bathroom with a man identifying as a woman but peeing standing up?  Or she would still?

obvious transphobia aside, you do know that there aren't urinals in the ladies' room.
You do know I was referring to peeing in the toilet while standing up, right?


I have actually seen someone do this in a women's bathroom before. I didn't really mind, but I do wish they had bothered to close the stall door.
 
2018-02-10 03:52:18 PM  

ChicagoKev: Eclectic: WilderKWight: Bottom line:  Looks aren't enough to tell where someone should "officially" be peeing, and what's under their clothes is none of your damn business.

Thank you! The birth-certificate madness has to stop. The impending Prop 1 in Anchorage this year goes so far as to specify "original birth certificate " for bathroom access. ...

Go use the men's room for "public safety". Enjoy your inevitable harassment and possibe bonus beating for the greater good.

Seriously, fark these people.

Alaska is an open carry state.    Once the bigots see the 1911 on your waist, they're less likely to scrutinize the rest of you for secondary sexual characteristics.


Who the f looks at anyone in the bathroom?

Unless you were buying cocaine in the 90s...
 
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