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(CNN)   In just a few weeks, (D)'s have flipped from shutting down the government over DACA to now begging Republicans to pass a budget without DACA   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 07:38:28 PM  
Yeah. See, this is what happens in subby's world. Not the real world, mind you - just subby's world. The world in which the Democrats somehow "shut down the government", and the world in which they're "begging Republicans" for, well, anything.

Subby thinks that "negotiation" is "begging." Must've gone to Trump U.
 
2018-02-08 07:44:08 PM  
I normally would say "I want subby's drugs", but I'm guessing it is paint. I don't want paint.
 
2018-02-08 07:45:06 PM  
The author sounds concerned.
 
2018-02-08 07:56:26 PM  
The GOP's desperate to avoid blame for yet another clusterfark. The Democrats gave them three weeks, and worked with the GOP to construct yet another bipartisan bill, but the GOP's last-minute bullshiat seeks once again to derail it.

And, of course, the Toddler-in-Chief, a farking moronic wild card whose current opinion is "the opinion of the last asshole to talk to him" on any given subject, could break shiat just because it'd be fun to break shiat.

The next few weeks are going to suck.
 
2018-02-08 08:12:51 PM  
Subby needs to keep up with the news feed.
Considering Rand Paul is on his third hour filibuster.

Darn those Dems!
 
2018-02-08 08:13:56 PM  
"Anyone who votes for the Senate budget deal is colluding with this President and this administration to deport Dreamers. It is as simple as that," said Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiurrez.

They won't deport the Dreamers. They'll imprison them.
 
2018-02-08 08:23:29 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "Anyone who votes for the Senate budget deal is colluding with this President and this administration to deport Dreamers. It is as simple as that," said Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiurrez.

They won't deport the Dreamers. They'll imprison them.


That's basically what McConnell and Miller are offering.
"We'll give you twelve years in limbo, if you f*ck up even once during those twelve years. You're out!"
Talking out of turn?  You're out!
Acting American? You're out!
Protesting? You're out!
Negative comments towards mein Fuhrer? Report to Gitmo!
 
2018-02-08 09:05:08 PM  
Wasn't there some kind of super heart-crossing pinky swear by R leadership as part of the last deal to put a super sweet bipartisan immigration deal together with the Ds, for sure, no doubt, before the next government shutdown in three weeks?

I don't actually remember the details, because as an American voter, I have the attention span of a mayfly with ADD.

These guys are going to get slaughtered in the midterms.
 
2018-02-08 09:45:09 PM  
a budget deal negotiated that resolved virtually every Democratic priority except a resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program

Like what?
 
2018-02-08 09:52:40 PM  
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"Look Ma, no DACA solution!"
 
2018-02-08 09:52:52 PM  

Redh8t: Nadie_AZ: "Anyone who votes for the Senate budget deal is colluding with this President and this administration to deport Dreamers. It is as simple as that," said Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiurrez.

They won't deport the Dreamers. They'll imprison them.

That's basically what McConnell and Miller are offering.
"We'll give you twelve years in limbo, if you f*ck up even once during those twelve years. You're out!"
Talking out of turn?  You're out!
Acting American? You're out!
Protesting? You're out!
Negative comments towards mein Fuhrer? Report to Gitmo!


...and from the way they're currently treating legal immigrants, it's not going to matter anyway as long as the Deporter-in-Chief remains...
 
2018-02-08 09:55:16 PM  

fusillade762: a budget deal negotiated that resolved virtually every Democratic priority except a resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program

Like what?


Every.  We're done.  Go home.  Thanks for stopping by.  Here's your coat.
 
2018-02-08 09:56:47 PM  

fusillade762: a budget deal negotiated that resolved virtually every Democratic priority except a resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program

Like what?


Greatly increased domestic spending and even more years for CHIP. Two years without hitting the debt ceiling. The house freedom caucus is pissed about these things.

And it's also not their fault if the government shuts down. That's huge, actually. A lot of Democrats in both houses who don't live in California have been made away that their constituents won't accept a shutdown to benefit the Dreamers, no matter what anyone on Fark thinks.
 
2018-02-08 09:59:27 PM  
"I know that there is a real commitment to solving in both political parties"

If you're going to talk like that Pauli, at least speak into a bag.  It'll keep the compost nice and contained.

"That's a commitment that I share.  To anyone who doubts my intention to solve this problem and bring up a DACA and immigration reform bill, do not."

Well, sure.  You say you want to bring up a bill to fix DACA.  But it's been about five months since your president shiat-canned it and as far as I can tell you haven't produced even caca for a bill.

We will bring a solution to the floor, one that the President will sign

So not only will you do what you've neglected to do for half a year, you're also going to get Trump to go along with something he's already killed.  Kudos for aiming high I guess?

We must pass this budget agreement first though, so we can get on to that.

So you pass this budget bill, and then we're just supposed to hope nothing else comes up in the next five months that you'll decide is more important?

So please know we are committed to getting this done.

Commit in one hand, and shiat in the other.  We all know which one you've filled up first.
 
2018-02-08 09:59:37 PM  

IlGreven: Redh8t: Nadie_AZ: "Anyone who votes for the Senate budget deal is colluding with this President and this administration to deport Dreamers. It is as simple as that," said Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiurrez.

They won't deport the Dreamers. They'll imprison them.

That's basically what McConnell and Miller are offering.
"We'll give you twelve years in limbo, if you f*ck up even once during those twelve years. You're out!"
Talking out of turn?  You're out!
Acting American? You're out!
Protesting? You're out!
Negative comments towards mein Fuhrer? Report to Gitmo!

...and from the way they're currently treating legal immigrants, it's not going to matter anyway as long as the Deporter-in-Chief remains...


Unfortunately, you're right..
 
2018-02-08 10:01:00 PM  

pdieten: And it's also not their fault if the government shuts down. That's huge, actually.


I'll never understand why this is a thing. It was never their fault the last time we had a government shutdown. Even if it isn't their fault this time, there will still be a number of people who will blame them anyway. Just... like last time.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
2018-02-08 10:04:24 PM  

fusillade762: a budget deal negotiated that resolved virtually every Democratic priority except a resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program

Like what?


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 Like telling the democrats to go home and get their shine box.
 
2018-02-08 10:05:10 PM  
No, subs, you see, now that RAND PAUL!! is singlehandedly threatening a shutdown unless he gets his way about.. something, who the hell knows with that turd, the democrats are "Begging" the Republicans to pass a budget without DACA. Their tactic is one called, "Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake". The Republicans will 101% be left holding the bag on the shutdown and we get even more evidence that the republican party cannot govern.
 
2018-02-08 10:08:13 PM  
I wasn't aware that DACA was a budget item.
 
2018-02-08 10:08:53 PM  
Stop trying to make "The minority party in both houses can shut down the government" happen
 
2018-02-08 10:11:16 PM  
I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old
 
2018-02-08 10:17:10 PM  
If this shiat shuts down again, I'm running naked through the Grand Canyon.
 
2018-02-08 10:17:44 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old


Heh...  I had that very thought earlier today.

I re-read Chris Matthews' book on the man last fall. Interesting read on the man and how he got things done both with, and despite, Reagan. A lot of respect between the two of them, but little love lost.
 
2018-02-08 10:18:36 PM  
If Repuicans were pilots theyd be shutting down the engines midflight and blaming the stewardess's.

And 50% of the passengers would somehow believe them.
 
2018-02-08 10:18:39 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I wasn't aware that DACA was a budget item.


It's not. The new deal also doesn't have any new border security money.

Weatherkiss: pdieten: And it's also not their fault if the government shuts down. That's huge, actually.

I'll never understand why this is a thing. It was never their fault the last time we had a government shutdown. Even if it isn't their fault this time, there will still be a number of people who will blame them anyway. Just... like last time.


If Democrats shut down the government to protect the Dreamers, then everyone (not just Republicans) who doesn't care about dreamers beyond a thoughts-and-prayers level of interest will blame the Democrats for the shutdown. That's a majority in most districts.
 
2018-02-08 10:19:16 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old


You know what worked with Tip? Two things.

Pork, and the lack of the Hastert rule. We used to be able to govern, and let the center bring money home. The fringes got to be fringe.

Then we got the Hastert rule, and lost entitlements, and Congress quit functioning.
 
2018-02-08 10:21:18 PM  

Ulysses_North: If Repuicans were pilots....


Err.. Republicans, Repuicans of course hailing from the distant Star of Alpha Ceti 6 and enjoying generally decent government practices.
 
2018-02-08 10:27:51 PM  
How do you negotiate with a hostage-taker who's already got his $10 million and is on his getaway jet?
 
2018-02-08 10:33:34 PM  

Gonz: tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old

You know what worked with Tip? Two things.

Pork, and the lack of the Hastert rule. We used to be able to govern, and let the center bring money home. The fringes got to be fringe.

Then we got the Hastert rule, and lost entitlements, and Congress quit functioning.


Well, it was more than two things.

Tip's word was worth gold. Both to his fellow Dems in the House (the pork you mention) and to Reagan and the GOP. If Tipper said he could get somebody the votes they needed, goddamnit, he delivered.

But he rarely went into a back room to work out a deal to straight up fark anyone - unless they absolutely had it coming. His mindset was, "I'll make it painful for you, but not so painful that you won't ever work with me again".

Now, I have major problems with Reagan, but he and Tip made shiat work. And Tip, to his credit, didn't embarrass Regan when his mid was shot.  There was a mutual respect that only those two understood.
 
2018-02-08 10:43:18 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: If this shiat shuts down again, I'm running naked through the Grand Canyon.


Pics or it didn't happen. Didn't check your profile, don't care what plumbing you have. I just want to see that, 'cause that'd be the funniest protest ever.
 
2018-02-08 10:43:57 PM  
Rand Paul. RANDPAUL.
 
2018-02-08 10:56:13 PM  
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2018-02-08 11:24:26 PM  

Gonz: tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old

You know what worked with Tip? Two things.

Pork, and the lack of the Hastert rule. We used to be able to govern, and let the center bring money home. The fringes got to be fringe.

Then we got the Hastert rule, and lost entitlements, and Congress quit functioning.


I've thrown the idea of a pork allotment for every member of the House with the pie being divided by your share of total number of years among all members of the House. So a 100% turnover rate would mean you get 1/435th of the budget pool to spend on whatever the hell you want in your district. Fund a museum, pay for some local park restoration, whatever you wanted. A natural evolution would be trading away your pork like NFL future draft picks. If the pool is 25 billion, the pork per district still remains pretty insignificant on a government level.

And any Congresscritter who wants to make a political statement is free to defer their portion back to the US Treasury.
 
2018-02-08 11:25:38 PM  
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2018-02-08 11:27:11 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Gonz: tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old

You know what worked with Tip? Two things.

Pork, and the lack of the Hastert rule. We used to be able to govern, and let the center bring money home. The fringes got to be fringe.

Then we got the Hastert rule, and lost entitlements, and Congress quit functioning.

Well, it was more than two things.

Tip's word was worth gold. Both to his fellow Dems in the House (the pork you mention) and to Reagan and the GOP. If Tipper said he could get somebody the votes they needed, goddamnit, he delivered.

But he rarely went into a back room to work out a deal to straight up fark anyone - unless they absolutely had it coming. His mindset was, "I'll make it painful for you, but not so painful that you won't ever work with me again".

Now, I have major problems with Reagan, but he and Tip made shiat work. And Tip, to his credit, didn't embarrass Regan when his mid was shot.  There was a mutual respect that only those two understood.


Most of legislative activity since the Gingrich Revolution has made me somewhat wistful for the days of obvious earmarks being horse traded and political machines keeping close eyes on people.

Like I know I shouldn't be false nostalgic when remembering the descendants of Tammany Hall, but at least legislators attempted to govern then...
 
2018-02-08 11:31:13 PM  

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2018-02-08 11:38:10 PM  

BlueDWarrior: Farkin_Crazy: Gonz: tinfoil-hat maggie: I miss Tip Oneil. Yeah I'm old

You know what worked with Tip? Two things.

Pork, and the lack of the Hastert rule. We used to be able to govern, and let the center bring money home. The fringes got to be fringe.

Then we got the Hastert rule, and lost entitlements, and Congress quit functioning.

Well, it was more than two things.

Tip's word was worth gold. Both to his fellow Dems in the House (the pork you mention) and to Reagan and the GOP. If Tipper said he could get somebody the votes they needed, goddamnit, he delivered.

But he rarely went into a back room to work out a deal to straight up fark anyone - unless they absolutely had it coming. His mindset was, "I'll make it painful for you, but not so painful that you won't ever work with me again".

Now, I have major problems with Reagan, but he and Tip made shiat work. And Tip, to his credit, didn't embarrass Regan when his mid was shot.  There was a mutual respect that only those two understood.

Most of legislative activity since the Gingrich Revolution has made me somewhat wistful for the days of obvious earmarks being horse traded and political machines keeping close eyes on people.

Like I know I shouldn't be false nostalgic when remembering the descendants of Tammany Hall, but at least legislators attempted to govern then...


Couldn't agree more. That horsetrading was what helped keep the wheels of gov't turning all the time, and helped us maintain something closer to an equilibrium state.

Now the game is "get in power and pass as much as possible before falling out of power and having as much as possible passed against you and get back in power and" ad infinitum.
 
2018-02-09 12:13:24 AM  
What's the RNC spin now that Rand Paul single-handedly derailed everything
 
2018-02-09 12:28:16 AM  

Mrtraveler01: What's the RNC spin now that Rand Paul single-handedly derailed everything


I predict that the RNC will claim responsibility for the government shutdown, publically apologize to those affected by the shutdown, and apologize to the American people for failing to keep the government open. Mitch McConnell will assure the American people that the Democrats are not to blame, and that the fault lies with the Republican party. They're the party of personal responsibility, after all.
 
2018-02-09 12:29:25 AM  

Mrtraveler01: What's the RNC spin now that Rand Paul single-handedly derailed everything


There's no spin. If CNN is to be believed, RAND PAUL! will speak at the top of the hour, then the Senate will vote afterwards and the House will vote sometime around 5 in the morning give or take.

There is a lot of press about how this jacks up the deficit. I wonder how the House will do, if they're feeling pressure about the deficit situation.
 
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