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(Reuters)   Senate leaders: We have a bi-partisan spending bill ready to go to avoid a shutdown. Senator Rand Paul: Not so fast. *record scratch*   ( reuters.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 07:00:06 PM  
Why is that quail doing cocaine?

LIVE: Government SHUTDOWN at MIDNIGHT! Senate Debates Budget Deal
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2018-02-08 07:03:32 PM  
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2018-02-08 07:21:26 PM  
You do that.  I'm sure everyone will be stoked about another shutdown, one that can in no way be blamed on the Democrats.
 
2018-02-08 07:21:49 PM  
Now you know why his neighbor beat the crap out of him.
 
2018-02-08 07:22:03 PM  
Where's RAND PAUL's neighbor when you need him?
 
2018-02-08 07:23:28 PM  
Do it
 
2018-02-08 07:23:38 PM  
Lol, please proceed, dumbasses.
 
2018-02-08 07:23:40 PM  
Wow, I just cannot believe someone named Rand Paul would be farking things up like this. If only we could have seen all this coming somehow.
 
2018-02-08 07:23:53 PM  
This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄
 
2018-02-08 07:23:56 PM  
Now Lindsey is speaking
 
2018-02-08 07:24:11 PM  
Maybe we should increase the federal tax on liquor produced in his home state? That ought to go over well with everyone.
 
2018-02-08 07:24:24 PM  
If Americans wanted what you're selling, Paul, there would be 99 other libertarian douchebags in the senate.

There are 99 other douchebags, but they're not libertarians.
 
2018-02-08 07:24:56 PM  
"Stop the Madness!"
 
2018-02-08 07:25:26 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: You do that.  I'm sure everyone will be stoked about another shutdown, one that can in no way be blamed on the Democrats.


Oh they will find a way. They always do.
( imagine a lot of swear words in various languages was typed here ) .
 
2018-02-08 07:25:42 PM  
Questions.

Surely they have the 60 votes to end debate?
Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?
If Paul's Amendment is as the article describes, doesn't it basically nullify the deal?
 
2018-02-08 07:25:56 PM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
 
2018-02-08 07:27:37 PM  

The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄


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2018-02-08 07:28:00 PM  
Ooooh, that's going to break a rib.
 
2018-02-08 07:28:34 PM  

ImOscar: The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄

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Yeah, Rand Paul uses a lot of words, but doesn't say very much
 
2018-02-08 07:28:41 PM  
Jesus Christ, will somebody muzzle this grandstanding motherfarker? He's as establishment as they get. Did his neighbor post bail?
 
2018-02-08 07:28:41 PM  

runwiz: Now you know why his neighbor beat the crap out of him.


Some kind of lawn mower filibuster?
 
2018-02-08 07:28:43 PM  

The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄


Senators Corker, Flake, and Paul are all VERY concerned about deficits after the Democrat party rammed those fiscally irresponsible tax breaks for rich people like GEORGE SOROS through this year without any GOP input.
 
2018-02-08 07:28:50 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: one that can in no way be blamed on the Democrats.



FOX News: 
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Boe
2018-02-08 07:29:21 PM  
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2018-02-08 07:29:33 PM  
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...
OH SHIAT GET IN THE CAR, IT'S RAND PAUL!
 
2018-02-08 07:31:17 PM  

ImOscar: The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄

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I think his position is to lower the taxes, then cut spending.  Spending set to go up by approximately $300 billion I think.  He wants that $300 billion cut, plus cuts that total the $1.5 TRILLION in tax cuts.  So he really hasn't changed his position, his position is simply impossible to get to.
 
2018-02-08 07:31:53 PM  

qorkfiend: Questions.

Surely they have the 60 votes to end debate?


No, because the Democrats legitimately can't figure out if they're in favor of or oppose this yet.  There is confusion in the ranks as to how to vote, given leadership gave their blessing to their side of the negotiation, but then Pelosi went up and did a crazy faux 8-hour House filibuster saying DACA was the most important thing ever and should be blocked.  So now nobody knows what to do.

Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?

Yes, but as always, the holdup is going to be in the Senate and so nobody in the House wants to even vote until they know the Senate can proceed.  That's why the negotiation focus has all been on that side.

If Paul's Amendment is as the article describes, doesn't it basically nullify the deal?

Yes.  Which is why absolutely no one would vote for it except him and a few others.  But even allowing a vote on the Amendment would procedurally allow any Senator to then offer additional amendments, which would effectively guarantee they miss the deadline and the government shuts down again.
 
2018-02-08 07:31:58 PM  

cretinbob: Now Lindsey is speaking


Please clap.
 
2018-02-08 07:32:19 PM  

qorkfiend: Questions.

Surely they have the 60 votes to end debate?
Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?
If Paul's Amendment is as the article describes, doesn't it basically nullify the deal?


I read in another article that the Senate can only get this done today through unanimous consent.  This is not for cloture, but required separately to cut short the minimum 30 hours of debate.  They could allow a vote for Paul's amendment and let it fail, but then that opens it up to everyone else to add amendments.
 
2018-02-08 07:32:26 PM  
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2018-02-08 07:32:39 PM  
Florida keeps f'n up elections and Kentucky keeps f'n up legislation.
 
2018-02-08 07:32:43 PM  

The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄


"Senator Rand Paul put up a roadblock to voting because he first wanted debate on his amendment to kill the measure's increased federal spending."

Yep. Exactly.
 
2018-02-08 07:32:53 PM  

ImOscar: The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄

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He isn't a hypocrite if he honestly believes the ladder curve bullshiat where the cuts would pay for themselves.
 
2018-02-08 07:33:43 PM  
9/11! Drink!
 
2018-02-08 07:34:08 PM  

qorkfiend: Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?


I think, not sure, but think if a budget bill originates in the Senate, it goes to the House for their additions, subtractions, whatever, and then gets re-reconciled in the Senate again.

I think.
 
2018-02-08 07:34:20 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: You do that.  I'm sure everyone will be stoked about another shutdown, one that can in no way be blamed on the Democrats.


Not blame it on the Democrats? But, they'll just knuckle under and expose their soft underbellies....
 
2018-02-08 07:34:30 PM  

jaerik: but then Pelosi went up and did a crazy faux 8-hour House filibuster saying DACA was the most important thing ever and should be blocked


I skipped the other thread on this - did anyone ever figure out what that was about, except for maybe she was positioning herself for a Depends ad campaign?
 
2018-02-08 07:35:00 PM  
Dun-dun DUN

/DOOO EEET!
 
2018-02-08 07:35:05 PM  

elkboy: cretinbob: Now Lindsey is speaking

Please clap.


CLAP CLAP

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2018-02-08 07:35:19 PM  

biggamehickman: ImOscar: The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄

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I think his position is to lower the taxes, then cut spending.  Spending set to go up by approximately $300 billion I think.  He wants that $300 billion cut, plus cuts that total the $1.5 TRILLION in tax cuts.  So he really hasn't changed his position, his position is simply impossible to get to.


But he's framing his position as being a deficit hawk. He's not, he's all for deficits when it means giving money to rich people and against them when it means spending money on poor people.
 
2018-02-08 07:36:26 PM  

UsikFark: elkboy: cretinbob: Now Lindsey is speaking

Please clap.

CLAP CLAP

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Garrison really is the new Jack Chick, isn't he?
 
2018-02-08 07:37:09 PM  
From the man himself:

Paul railed against members of both parties, including Republicans for what he termed hypocrisy over concern about deficit spending.

"The reason I'm here tonight is to put people on the spot," Paul said. "I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, 'How come you were against President Obama's deficits, and then how come you're for Republican deficits?'"

In an interview with Fox News before taking the floor, Paul seemed to indicate a willingness to let the government shut down over the issue.
 
2018-02-08 07:37:18 PM  
For those keeping score, the Republicans have gotten the (D)'s to change from demanding DACA or SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT to Chuck Schumer actually begging a (R) to pretty please let them pass a budget without DACA.

"They aren't Donald Trump" is literally the only reason to vote (D) anymore.
 
2018-02-08 07:37:33 PM  

The Homer Tax: biggamehickman: ImOscar: The Homer Tax: This will be fun...Randy is going to stand up there and pretend like he gives a shiat about deficits again just a few weeks after voting to increase the debt by 1.5T so billionaires can get more tax breaks 🙄

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I think his position is to lower the taxes, then cut spending.  Spending set to go up by approximately $300 billion I think.  He wants that $300 billion cut, plus cuts that total the $1.5 TRILLION in tax cuts.  So he really hasn't changed his position, his position is simply impossible to get to.

But he's framing his position as being a deficit hawk. He's not, he's all for deficits when it means giving money to rich people and against them when it means spending money on poor people.


He's a Republican parasite without the patience. His position is 'Give all of America's money to a handful of billionaires as fast as possible', rather than 'give all of America's money to a handful of billionaires more gradually'.
 
2018-02-08 07:38:37 PM  
This is the same Rand Paul who created the tax bill that will add around 1.5 TRILLION to the national debt?

That Rand Paul?
 
2018-02-08 07:39:28 PM  

HawgWild: qorkfiend: Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?

I think, not sure, but think if a budget bill originates in the Senate, it goes to the House for their additions, subtractions, whatever, and then gets re-reconciled in the Senate again.

I think.


Is this a CR or a budget bill?  They have different rules.  The temporary CR needs 60 votes, whereas a budget bill needs simple majority.  Does that mean Senate can originate CR?
 
2018-02-08 07:40:22 PM  

Bastet1000: From the man himself:

Paul railed against members of both parties, including Republicans for what he termed hypocrisy over concern about deficit spending.

"The reason I'm here tonight is to put people on the spot," Paul said. "I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, 'How come you were against President Obama's deficits, and then how come you're for Republican deficits?'"

In an interview with Fox News before taking the floor, Paul seemed to indicate a willingness to let the government shut down over the issue.


So, yeah, for once, Paul and I have something in common, aside from us both being carbon-based lifeforms who convert oxygen into carbon dioxide. I would also like to hear why deficits are a-ok now.
 
2018-02-08 07:40:57 PM  

lennavan: For those keeping score, the Republicans have gotten the (D)'s to change from demanding DACA or SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT to Chuck Schumer actually begging a (R) to pretty please let them pass a budget without DACA.

"They aren't Donald Trump" is literally the only reason to vote (D) anymore.


...what? Dems against DACA? That seems..,unlikely at the most.
 
2018-02-08 07:41:26 PM  

cousin-merle: HawgWild: qorkfiend: Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?

I think, not sure, but think if a budget bill originates in the Senate, it goes to the House for their additions, subtractions, whatever, and then gets re-reconciled in the Senate again.

I think.

Is this a CR or a budget bill?  They have different rules.  The temporary CR needs 60 votes, whereas a budget bill needs simple majority.  Does that mean Senate can originate CR?


Everything I saw called it a two year budget bill.
 
2018-02-08 07:42:28 PM  
cousin-merle: HawgWild: qorkfiend: Doesn't the House have to pass the budget agreement first?

I think, not sure, but think if a budget bill originates in the Senate, it goes to the House for their additions, subtractions, whatever, and then gets re-reconciled in the Senate again.

I think.

Is this a CR or a budget bill?  They have different rules.  The temporary CR needs 60 votes, whereas a budget bill needs simple majority.  Does that mean Senate can originate CR?

as I understand it, it's a CR until March of 2019
I may be wrong.
 
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