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(Some Replicant)   Well, here we are. The beginning of the future. Obvious tag fills in for non-extant Ominous tag (if you are a long haul trucker). Company plans to put 40 of these in service this year. Sarah Conner looking nervously over shoulder   ( livetrucking.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Semi-trailer truck, Embark, Truck, Embark CEO Alex, autonomous technology, Semi-trailer, Tractor unit, autonomous tractor trailer  
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562 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 08 Feb 2018 at 8:23 PM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2018-02-08 06:02:47 PM  
Who made who?
 
2018-02-08 06:08:24 PM  
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2018-02-08 06:10:58 PM  
This is such a bad idea.

I know I know we're "assured" there will be no accidents.

Fark off.
 
2018-02-08 06:15:57 PM  
The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
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2018-02-08 06:17:37 PM  

fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000


I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.
 
2018-02-08 06:39:05 PM  

whidbey: This is such a bad idea.

I know I know we're "assured" there will be no accidents.

Fark off.


It sure makes the world more interesting when you consider that pirates can now be 400lb men sitting on the edge of their beds. And they can be among the most powerful people in the world. Crazy.
 
2018-02-08 06:39:47 PM  
Logan did it.
 
2018-02-08 06:43:15 PM  
whidbey:
I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.

At some point in the future we're going to have to discuss why people "need" to have a job.  Because we farked up royally if "human labor replaced by robots" is a BAD thing.
 
2018-02-08 07:10:42 PM  
If your job is endangered by robots, learn to work on robots

/Job security FTW
 
2018-02-08 07:12:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If your job is endangered by robots, learn to work on robots

/Job security FTW


Or engage in activism that protects human jobs in lieu of automation.

You're basically telling people to go elsewhere. How is that fair?
 
2018-02-08 07:12:41 PM  
This is bad news for lot lizards.
 
2018-02-08 07:24:28 PM  

whidbey: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If your job is endangered by robots, learn to work on robots

/Job security FTW

Or engage in activism that protects human jobs in lieu of automation.

You're basically telling people to go elsewhere. How is that fair?


Just a suggestion. On one hand, you can still feel superior to the machines if they depend on you for their continued operation. On the other, you could screw them up and get your old job back

/The non-flippant answer is that we're going to need to look harder at guaranteed income in the future, FWIW
 
2018-02-08 07:26:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: whidbey: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If your job is endangered by robots, learn to work on robots

/Job security FTW

Or engage in activism that protects human jobs in lieu of automation.

You're basically telling people to go elsewhere. How is that fair?

Just a suggestion. On one hand, you can still feel superior to the machines if they depend on you for their continued operation. On the other, you could screw them up and get your old job back

/The non-flippant answer is that we're going to need to look harder at guaranteed income in the future, FWIW


Yeah well look at it this way---automation isn't a new thing, and it should have saved companies enough money the first time around that they could have put the savings into their workers. The fight is renewed.
 
2018-02-08 08:19:11 PM  
Good.

Long haul truckers are some of the most racist mofos in the world.
 
2018-02-08 08:34:53 PM  
"When they [disengagements] did occur they were usually only a few seconds," Rodriguez added.

Well, I feel safe now.  What could possiblie go wrong?
 
2018-02-08 08:35:23 PM  

whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.


LOL, you think there will still be unions 10 years from now...
 
2018-02-08 08:35:31 PM  
Still had a legal, regulated driver in the seat. Otherwise it would have taken 2 days instead of 5
 
2018-02-08 08:36:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If your job is endangered by robots, learn to work on robots

/Job security FTW


Until they make robot-fixing robots.
 
2018-02-08 08:36:42 PM  
*I am basing this on the extraordinary number of long haulers calling in to RW radio shows.
 
2018-02-08 08:39:40 PM  

whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.


Truck driving in the U.S. is almost completely non-unionized labor. I'm trying to find hard recent numbers, but my mobile Google-fu is weak.
 
2018-02-08 08:53:39 PM  
Long haul trucking is an ideal application for self driving vehicles, at least on the freeway. The AI is pretty simple: Stay in your lane, maintain speed but keep a safe distance from other vehicles, and if anything abnormal happens just pull over and stop. Humans would still have to drive between the freeway and the loading dock.
 
2018-02-08 08:57:15 PM  

Great_Milenko: whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.

LOL, you think there will still be unions 10 years from now...


Maybe robot unions?
 
2018-02-08 09:04:26 PM  
Unobtanium:
whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.


Truck driving in the U.S. is almost completely non-unionized labor. I'm trying to find hard recent numbers, but my mobile Google-fu is weak.

unubtainiom: you are correct. union labor in trucking has declined drasticly:

  http://www.labornotes.org/blogs/201​7/1​0/review-big-rig-trucking-and-decline-​american-dream

a quote:


Compared with the 1970s, Viscelli notes, long-haul truckers today produce twice as much "output" for wages that are 40 percent lower. In the first decade of deregulation, "the [Teamsters union] lost about 25 percent of its membership, almost 500,000 members." Viscelli, who comes across as sympathetic to labor, continually makes the connection between the decline of Teamster power and the erosion of all workers' standards in the industry.
It's not all dry history and data, though. Viscelli interviewed more than 100 drivers, as well as some company owners and managers. If they can wade through some of the sociological jargon, truck drivers will immediately relate to the interviews excerpted throughout the book. For those who haven't worked in the industry, the interviews draw a picture of what truckers experience every day.


There is a lot more in the article and referenced links. Long haul trucking is nothing like what the Teamsters had in the 80's, and it's a story shared by all unions since then.

middle class is farked.

/be a plumber or electrician, or welder, or HVAC
//who knows her/his stuff
///I will hire you
 
2018-02-08 09:18:43 PM  

fader74: Unobtanium:
whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.

Truck driving in the U.S. is almost completely non-unionized labor. I'm trying to find hard recent numbers, but my mobile Google-fu is weak.

unubtainiom: you are correct. union labor in trucking has declined drasticly:

  http://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2017​/10/review-big-rig-trucking-and-declin​e-american-dream

a quote:


Compared with the 1970s, Viscelli notes, long-haul truckers today produce twice as much "output" for wages that are 40 percent lower. In the first decade of deregulation, "the [Teamsters union] lost about 25 percent of its membership, almost 500,000 members." Viscelli, who comes across as sympathetic to labor, continually makes the connection between the decline of Teamster power and the erosion of all workers' standards in the industry.
It's not all dry history and data, though. Viscelli interviewed more than 100 drivers, as well as some company owners and managers. If they can wade through some of the sociological jargon, truck drivers will immediately relate to the interviews excerpted throughout the book. For those who haven't worked in the industry, the interviews draw a picture of what truckers experience every day.


There is a lot more in the article and referenced links. Long haul trucking is nothing like what the Teamsters had in the 80's, and it's a story shared by all unions since then.

middle class is farked.

/be a plumber or electrician, or welder, or HVAC
//who knows her/his stuff
///I will hire you


Sounds like they need a convoy
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2018-02-08 09:21:42 PM  
So that old Simpsons' episode was totally true.
 
2018-02-08 09:50:12 PM  

AstroJesus: So that old Simpsons' episode was totally true.


which?

/curious
 
2018-02-08 10:25:15 PM  
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2018-02-08 11:10:02 PM  
My father was/is a long haul trucker. He molested my sister on the road to Canada, he retired me in Oklahoma, and I'm pretty sure he killed a few lot lizards.

It takes a really solitary person to live that lifestyle. It takes a really bad person to get away with it.
 
2018-02-08 11:24:35 PM  
"When they [disengagements] did occur they were usually only a few seconds," Rodriguez added.

60 mph = 5280 fpm = 88 fps
Assume few = "3" =  264 ft.
Hmmm

"Embark assures that the technology is not meant to take jobs away from truckers, only to increase productivity."

Cue lobbying for reduced rest and other safety regs.

One thing that gets me about these threads: do people really think all those displaced workers are going to get jobs as robot repairmen? If business needed them at a 1 for 1 ratio, they'd never bother with automation to begin with.
 
2018-02-08 11:30:41 PM  

nekom: whidbey:
I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.

At some point in the future we're going to have to discuss why people "need" to have a job.  Because we farked up royally if "human labor replaced by robots" is a BAD thing.


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2018-02-09 03:18:56 AM  
If you're an African American corn farmer, I'd suggest selling out to the soda company before your entire family gets slaughtered by freaks
 
2018-02-09 03:20:16 AM  

bearded clamorer: This is bad news for lot lizards.


I wonder if they'll be replaced by sex robots first?
 
2018-02-09 07:45:50 AM  
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2018-02-09 08:09:40 AM  
Some interstate. It will be awhile before self driving will be common on city streets. Companies save money only when there is no driver and the trucks are completely self driving. Until then they are paying a driver and for the technology. Will the public want 80,000 lb trucks going down the road with no driver? How about after the first major accident? Which will happen sooner or later. 747's can fly entire routes with no pilots. But there are still pilots. How many will get on a pilotless plane? How will the insurance be handled? If the owner of a completely self driving truck (no driver) gets into a serious accident what happens next? If the trucking company is held 100% responsible (not  the tech company) that will put the brakes on. I have 10 years left so I'm not worried about a job. I'll make it to the end before the job goes away.
 
2018-02-09 09:22:55 AM  

whidbey: This is such a bad idea.

I know I know we're "assured" there will be no accidents.

Fark off.


Are there currently zero accidents with human drivers?

If there are at least fewer accidents with self driving vehicles than human driven ones, I really don't see a reason to get upset about this.
 
2018-02-09 09:43:32 AM  

GanjSmokr: whidbey: This is such a bad idea.

I know I know we're "assured" there will be no accidents.

Fark off.

Are there currently zero accidents with human drivers?

If there are at least fewer accidents with self driving vehicles than human driven ones, I really don't see a reason to get upset about this.


Lawsuits will slow it down.
 
2018-02-09 11:10:58 AM  

whidbey: fader74: The long haul tractors can probably incorporate LIDAR, which eliminates the "Tesla crashing into stopped Fire Truck" problem. LIDAR, or whatevs, is too expensive for consumer vehicles. It will be a long time, however, before they're allowed on the interstates with no human on board.

But it will come.

/economics
//how does it work
third slashies eaten by T9000

I would hope the Teamsters Union would have something to say about replacing workers with automation. Maybe it's just me.


The Teamsters mobsters union makes people disappear all the time.  Maybe this is part of their final solution.
 
2018-02-09 02:06:02 PM  

HedlessChickn: Good.

Long haul truckers are some of the most racist mofos in the world.


You do understand, don't you, that your statement is the epitome of prejudice
 
2018-02-09 02:39:00 PM  

PghThermal: HedlessChickn: Good.

Long haul truckers are some of the most racist mofos in the world.

You do understand, don't you, that your statement is the epitome of prejudice


And?

That doesn't make it incorrect.
 
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