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(NFL)   Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers agree on record 5-year deal. Soon to be surpassed by Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles contract   ( nfl.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 01:55:56 PM  
Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.
 
2018-02-08 02:03:25 PM  

Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.


Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.
 
2018-02-08 02:14:31 PM  
Welp, the gf is going to make me watch the Niners next season

/I better get used to the idea
 
2018-02-08 02:20:26 PM  
I can see paying Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or Brady this kind of money, but Garappolo?  He's probably good, but not that good.
 
2018-02-08 02:20:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Welp, the gf is going to make me watch the Niners next season

/I better get used to the idea


There's public money just salivating at the chance to flood Vegas with future 49ers Division title/NFC title/Super Bowl bets.
 
2018-02-08 02:23:00 PM  
As a Niners fan I'm happy about this. Yeah, if I were the one making the decision, I wouldn't have offered him that much based on such a small sample size (though it's also entirely possible that the small sample size was actually representative of his talents, and in retrospect this could end up looking like a good deal for the team). But it's not my money, so why should I give a shiat?  Good news.
 
2018-02-08 02:41:20 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: I can see paying Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or Brady this kind of money, but Garappolo?  He's probably good, but not that good.


Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with it.    The thing is, are you even in the "club" of a "Halfway decent NFL-Level QB"... Garappolo is seen as that now, and so, for a team to keep one of those (of which there are apparently not even 32 of them), they have to pay a "record contract".
 
2018-02-08 02:44:12 PM  
If they didn't somebody else would have. When you're as bad as the 49ers have been recently, you can't lowball a QB.
 
2018-02-08 02:45:04 PM  
Before he transitioned, he was great in 'The Truth About Cats and Dogs'. 'Mystery Men' too
 
2018-02-08 02:45:52 PM  

Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.


Drew Brees is pretty old, and not really a primadonna. I'm sure he won't be that demanding for a high-paying roster spot. I predict his retirement before he gets into a contract battle again.
 
2018-02-08 02:46:54 PM  
All three QBs mentioned in the headline could have been Cleveland Browns. No, it doesn't hurt. Why do you ask?
 
2018-02-08 02:47:34 PM  

Gubbo: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.


True....but hopefully A.A.Ron takes a Brady discount for the new GM. They have a TON of holes on that team and need all the salary cap flexibility they can get.
 
2018-02-08 02:50:30 PM  
That's a lot of cheddar. But you have to pay the market rate and take the chance.
 
2018-02-08 02:52:22 PM  
There are at least 2 levels to this: does he deserve it and can you win because of him.  He's started fewer than 10 NFL games.  He doesn't deserve it (yet?)

If you take what a good QB is worth ($20 mil?), his cost above that is about $7 million - that's a pro bowl O or D lineman, or 2-3 very good players.  In a salary cap world that contract can handcuff you.  If the 49ers have good players waiting out their rookie contracts, or want to sign good free agents they'll have to make some sacrifices.
 
2018-02-08 02:53:15 PM  

dletter: Galileo's Daughter: I can see paying Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or Brady this kind of money, but Garappolo?  He's probably good, but not that good.

Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with it.    The thing is, are you even in the "club" of a "Halfway decent NFL-Level QB"... Garappolo is seen as that now, and so, for a team to keep one of those (of which there are apparently not even 32 of them), they have to pay a "record contract".


Just to reiterate since I might have buried the real reason there... that there are apparently not 32 of them.
If there were more than 32 active "Halfway decent NFL-Level QBs" then it would be a buyers market... NFL teams could tell one of these QBs "you don't want to play for this amount... I'll get one of those guys over here that will".   When the # though is depending on who you ask probably around 15-20 QBs, then it is a seller's market, and the QBs are selling themselves for a high price.
 
2018-02-08 02:59:50 PM  

Schlubbe: Before he transitioned, he was great in 'The Truth About Cats and Dogs'. 'Mystery Men' too


Don't forget the voice work in 'Ratatouille'.
 
2018-02-08 03:08:19 PM  

eagles95: True....but hopefully A.A.Ron takes a Brady discount for the new GM. They have a TON of holes on that team and need all the salary cap flexibility they can get.


Like other athletes in his position, Rodgers probably makes WAY more money from endorsement deals, and part of that is not just his heroics, but also being on a winning team.  That's why these guys are willing to take a hit on their contracts.

"Rodgers is one of the top-paid football guys in the Nike stable and his commercials for State Farm are a national hit." -Forbes
 
2018-02-08 03:10:15 PM  
Well, good for him.
 
2018-02-08 03:14:48 PM  

eagles95: True....but hopefully A.A.Ron takes a Brady discount for the new GM.


Brady didn't take a discount. The Pats laundered money to him via Guerrero.
 
2018-02-08 03:15:24 PM  

Dr.Fey: "Rodgers is one of the top-paid football guys in the Nike stable and his commercials for State Farm are a national hit." -Forbes


I can't wait for the Rodgers and Clay Matthews buddy film to hit theaters this summer.
 
2018-02-08 03:15:46 PM  
the best position to be in will be whomever is the last one to sign a contract, either free-agent or extension
 
2018-02-08 03:16:55 PM  

Gubbo: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.


His contract should stipulate offensive linemen who actually block and a running game so he isn't the only one doing all the work back there. Oh and make sure that Clay isn't his roommate or next door neighbor on road trips.
 
2018-02-08 03:17:30 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: There are at least 2 levels to this: does he deserve it and can you win because of him.  He's started fewer than 10 NFL games.  He doesn't deserve it (yet?)

If you take what a good QB is worth ($20 mil?), his cost above that is about $7 million - that's a pro bowl O or D lineman, or 2-3 very good players.  In a salary cap world that contract can handcuff you.  If the 49ers have good players waiting out their rookie contracts, or want to sign good free agents they'll have to make some sacrifices.


They've still got a ton of cap room after signing Jimmy Jesus
 
2018-02-08 03:18:30 PM  
I think Cousin's stock has dropped quite a bit.  The idea that he is going to be the highest paid QB is a bit far fetched.  Other FA QB's:

Keenam
Bridgewater
Bradford (only one of the three stays)

Being a Denver fan if I had the choice between Cousins at $25M or any of these three in the middle to high teens I'd take one of the three and draft a QB at our #5 pick.  Use the left over money and fix that damn O-Line for christs sake
 
2018-02-08 03:21:11 PM  
Gubbo:

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.

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If I had the dating history of A-aron you can bet I'd be 'extended' too.
 
2018-02-08 03:26:42 PM  
I'm confused as to how a guy with less than 200 career completions gets described as a "franchise" anything.

But good for you, Jimmy!  Don't spend it all in one place!
 
2018-02-08 03:29:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Gubbo: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.

His contract should stipulate offensive linemen who actually block and a running game so he isn't the only one doing all the work back there. Oh and make sure that Clay isn't his roommate or next door neighbor on road trips.


The rookie RBs were quite good towards the end of the year. Not stressed over that too much. O Line. New center and some more depth. Or just magic health potions for the starters.

The real needs are pass rush, DBs, and a speed receiver. Maybe tight end too.
 
2018-02-08 03:32:01 PM  

dletter: dletter: Galileo's Daughter: I can see paying Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or Brady this kind of money, but Garappolo?  He's probably good, but not that good.

Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with it.    The thing is, are you even in the "club" of a "Halfway decent NFL-Level QB"... Garappolo is seen as that now, and so, for a team to keep one of those (of which there are apparently not even 32 of them), they have to pay a "record contract".

Just to reiterate since I might have buried the real reason there... that there are apparently not 32 of them.
If there were more than 32 active "Halfway decent NFL-Level QBs" then it would be a buyers market... NFL teams could tell one of these QBs "you don't want to play for this amount... I'll get one of those guys over here that will".   When the # though is depending on who you ask probably around 15-20 QBs, then it is a seller's market, and the QBs are selling themselves for a high price.


Meanwhile the Eagles have got 2 of them, for teeny contracts.
 
2018-02-08 03:41:31 PM  

Rent Party: I'm confused as to how a guy with less than 200 career completions gets described as a "franchise" anything.

But good for you, Jimmy!  Don't spend it all in one place!


All he does is win.
 
2018-02-08 03:44:33 PM  

Jingle Strangle: Rent Party: I'm confused as to how a guy with less than 200 career completions gets described as a "franchise" anything.

But good for you, Jimmy!  Don't spend it all in one place!

All he does is win.


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I know, right?!
 
2018-02-08 03:48:05 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think Cousin's stock has dropped quite a bit.  The idea that he is going to be the highest paid QB is a bit far fetched.  Other FA QB's:

Keenam
Bridgewater
Bradford (only one of the three stays)

Being a Denver fan if I had the choice between Cousins at $25M or any of these three in the middle to high teens I'd take one of the three and draft a QB at our #5 pick.  Use the left over money and fix that damn O-Line for christs sake


I know someone is going to give Cousins over $25 million per year, I just don't understand why.
Compare him to Tyrod Taylor. Record as a starter almost identical. QB ratings, pretty close. Both made it in to the playoffs at 9-7. What Taylor lacks in passing compared to Cousins he makes up with his running ability. Both are too cautious which keeps the interception rate looking better than it should.
 
2018-02-08 03:48:22 PM  

Rent Party: Jingle Strangle: Rent Party: I'm confused as to how a guy with less than 200 career completions gets described as a "franchise" anything.

But good for you, Jimmy!  Don't spend it all in one place!

All he does is win.

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I know, right?!


You sound concerned.
 
2018-02-08 03:54:09 PM  

eagles95: Gubbo: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.

True....but hopefully A.A.Ron takes a Brady discount for the new GM. They have a TON of holes on that team and need all the salary cap flexibility they can get.


Did he marry a supermodel wife that makes triple what he does like Brady did?
 
2018-02-08 03:56:12 PM  

meanmutton: eagles95: Gubbo: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Rodgers should be getting extended this offseason too.

True....but hopefully A.A.Ron takes a Brady discount for the new GM. They have a TON of holes on that team and need all the salary cap flexibility they can get.

Did he marry a supermodel wife that makes triple what he does like Brady did?


No but he's had a lot of pretty beards.
 
2018-02-08 03:56:36 PM  

Jingle Strangle: Rent Party: Jingle Strangle: Rent Party: I'm confused as to how a guy with less than 200 career completions gets described as a "franchise" anything.

But good for you, Jimmy!  Don't spend it all in one place!

All he does is win.

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I know, right?!

You sound concerned.


shiat keeps me up at night, mang.
 
2018-02-08 04:00:01 PM  

fo_sho!: Meanwhile the Eagles have got 2 of them, for teeny contracts.


I guess so, although Foles honestly had a pretty low QB rating and completion %.  Yes, he is the Super Bowl MVP, so, he'll get raised value because of that.  I don't know that he gets put into "HDNQB" quite yet, maybe the "bubble" level.

Here is the list of what I would guess most would consider the current "Halfway decent NFL-Level QB" or better...

Top Tier:
Brady
Rodgers
Rothlesburger
Rivers
Wilson
Ryan

Second Tier:
Smith
Wentz
Stafford
Cousins
Prescott
Carr
Newton
Manning
Garappalo

That is 15 players, a few of which are nearing the ends of their careers supposedly (although Brady could play til he is 45 apparently).

Players on the bubble of being in the above (either have shown flashes of greatness, are still "up and coming" or are really "past their prime"):
Keenum
Goff
Winston
Bortles
Flacco
Mariota
Foles
Dalton

Even if you stick all of those "bubble" QBs with the top list though, that is still 23 QBs.... 9 less than the NFL needs for starters.   Some rookies may come in and get to bubble status quickly, but, others on the bubble will likely burst.    I'm not sure there is any year that you could find the league had a "HDNQB" for every team, without going back pretty far as far as # of teams in the league.
 
2018-02-08 04:01:38 PM  
Ack, I forgot Brees in Top Tier (I had some editing issues, and lost a few, and forgot who got cut out).

So, 24 QBs.
 
2018-02-08 04:13:22 PM  

Cyberluddite: As a Niners fan I'm happy about this. Yeah, if I were the one making the decision, I wouldn't have offered him that much based on such a small sample size (though it's also entirely possible that the small sample size was actually representative of his talents, and in retrospect this could end up looking like a good deal for the team). But it's not my money, so why should I give a shiat?  Good news.


Uh, because it's a very large chunk of cap space.
 
2018-02-08 04:15:24 PM  

SkylineRecords: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Drew Brees is pretty old, and not really a primadonna. I'm sure he won't be that demanding for a high-paying roster spot. I predict his retirement before he gets into a contract battle again.


I think he'll get a fairly large APY on a 3 year deal where the 3rd year is basically a non-starter put in place for prorating his signing bonus.
 
2018-02-08 04:20:00 PM  
Cousins is going to want $30 mil/year. Elway's going to have his work cut out.
 
2018-02-08 04:24:43 PM  
For the "funny" on my post... fine if you think someone should be "on the bubble" who is in my top lists, or visa versa.   I don't know that I forgot anyone who should be on that list of 24.   The whole point though was, wherever you put that # of QBs at, it is well short of 32, regardless, which means the teams will be paying through the nose for them.
 
2018-02-08 04:36:03 PM  

Cyberluddite: As a Niners fan I'm happy about this. Yeah, if I were the one making the decision, I wouldn't have offered him that much based on such a small sample size (though it's also entirely possible that the small sample size was actually representative of his talents, and in retrospect this could end up looking like a good deal for the team). But it's not my money, so why should I give a shiat?  Good news.


I might be a little worried.  If he had hit the market, how much would he have gotten?  $22-$27 million per year? So the 49ers negotiated against nobody and handed him the most he would probably make. I think the point in negotiating before free agency is to try for a longish term cap friendly deal.  But who knows for sure, maybe they think he was worth closer to $30 mil per year

There's cap space now, but hand out a few more contracts negotiated like that and you've got some cap/depth issues.
 
2018-02-08 04:38:12 PM  

Mercutio879: Cousins is going to want $30 mil/year. Elway's going to have his work cut out.


That's not gonna happen. Elway got Manning to take a $4million haircut. Cousins will be a Jet, I suspect.
 
2018-02-08 04:48:18 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Mercutio879: Cousins is going to want $30 mil/year. Elway's going to have his work cut out.

That's not gonna happen. Elway got Manning to take a $4million haircut. Cousins will be a Jet, I suspect.


You're probably correct, I suspect. The rumor was that Elway was offering Cousins about the same as Carr, but more guaranteed. I don't think that works now.

Trade for Foles, draft Mayfield?
 
2018-02-08 04:49:29 PM  

FreeLawyer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think Cousin's stock has dropped quite a bit.  The idea that he is going to be the highest paid QB is a bit far fetched.  Other FA QB's:

Keenam
Bridgewater
Bradford (only one of the three stays)

Being a Denver fan if I had the choice between Cousins at $25M or any of these three in the middle to high teens I'd take one of the three and draft a QB at our #5 pick.  Use the left over money and fix that damn O-Line for christs sake

I know someone is going to give Cousins over $25 million per year, I just don't understand why.
Compare him to Tyrod Taylor. Record as a starter almost identical. QB ratings, pretty close. Both made it in to the playoffs at 9-7. What Taylor lacks in passing compared to Cousins he makes up with his running ability. Both are too cautious which keeps the interception rate looking better than it should.


And that's why Cousins will be offered serious money while Taylor will be offered a fraction of same.
 
2018-02-08 05:00:19 PM  

Mercutio879: Ow! That was my feelings!: Mercutio879: Cousins is going to want $30 mil/year. Elway's going to have his work cut out.

That's not gonna happen. Elway got Manning to take a $4million haircut. Cousins will be a Jet, I suspect.

You're probably correct, I suspect. The rumor was that Elway was offering Cousins about the same as Carr, but more guaranteed. I don't think that works now.

Trade for Foles, draft Mayfield?


Not sure the Eagles trade Foles until Wentz is proven healthy. Yeah, probably draft a QB and pick up a cheap 'bridge' QB. And I'd rather have Rosen or Darnold (whichever is available) than that douche Mayfield.
 
2018-02-08 05:08:04 PM  

SkylineRecords: Dr.Fey: Funny.  Derek Carr had a record contract for, what, like a week?  Aren't Drew Brees and Matt Ryan both up for extensions?  These "record" contracts are more like opening weekend box office records; they just go up, but not sure they're reflective of quality.

Drew Brees is pretty old, and not really a primadonna. I'm sure he won't be that demanding for a high-paying roster spot. I predict his retirement before he gets into a contract battle again.


He's also Mr. New Orleans.  He and Sean Payton turned that franchise from 3-13 to a Superbowl winner in four seasons.  At this point, him playing elsewhere would be like Cal Ripken not playing for the Orioles.
 
2018-02-08 05:10:59 PM  

FreeLawyer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think Cousin's stock has dropped quite a bit.  The idea that he is going to be the highest paid QB is a bit far fetched.  Other FA QB's:

Keenam
Bridgewater
Bradford (only one of the three stays)

Being a Denver fan if I had the choice between Cousins at $25M or any of these three in the middle to high teens I'd take one of the three and draft a QB at our #5 pick.  Use the left over money and fix that damn O-Line for christs sake

I know someone is going to give Cousins over $25 million per year, I just don't understand why.
Compare him to Tyrod Taylor. Record as a starter almost identical. QB ratings, pretty close. Both made it in to the playoffs at 9-7. What Taylor lacks in passing compared to Cousins he makes up with his running ability. Both are too cautious which keeps the interception rate looking better than it should.


I have to agree with you on Taylor.  I don't know why Buffalo hates him but some team, I'm thinking Denver, will sign him to a contract well below other starting QBs and will go to the playoffs with him.  He is very underrated.
 
2018-02-08 05:16:39 PM  

dletter: fo_sho!: Meanwhile the Eagles have got 2 of them, for teeny contracts.

I guess so, although Foles honestly had a pretty low QB rating and completion %.  Yes, he is the Super Bowl MVP, so, he'll get raised value because of that.  I don't know that he gets put into "HDNQB" quite yet, maybe the "bubble" level.

Here is the list of what I would guess most would consider the current "Halfway decent NFL-Level QB" or better...

Top Tier:
Brady
Rodgers
Rothlesburger
Rivers
Wilson
Ryan

Second Tier:
Smith
Wentz
Stafford
Cousins
Prescott
Carr
Newton
Manning
Garappalo

That is 15 players, a few of which are nearing the ends of their careers supposedly (although Brady could play til he is 45 apparently).

Players on the bubble of being in the above (either have shown flashes of greatness, are still "up and coming" or are really "past their prime"):
Keenum
Goff
Winston
Bortles
Flacco
Mariota
Foles
Dalton

Even if you stick all of those "bubble" QBs with the top list though, that is still 23 QBs.... 9 less than the NFL needs for starters.   Some rookies may come in and get to bubble status quickly, but, others on the bubble will likely burst.    I'm not sure there is any year that you could find the league had a "HDNQB" for every team, without going back pretty far as far as # of teams in the league.


Prescott and Manning are too damn high!

Actually, I like your list overall.
 
2018-02-08 05:24:40 PM  
Good for Jimmy G. Wish he was still in NE but no doubt he was tired of holding Bradys clipboard and didn't want to continue that for another year or 2 or ?
 
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