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(The Atlantic)   It's a good thing SpaceX's Falcon 9 Heavy mission wasn't a real mission to Mars, because it would've been a complete failure   ( theatlantic.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 02:01:30 PM  
You mean a test flight isn't a real mission? WHAT?
 
2018-02-08 02:03:07 PM  
Was it an accident, or did they just see they still had fuel in the tank and just let it keep burning til empty?
 
2018-02-08 02:05:30 PM  
Is the Atlantic a left-leaning publication or not?

They sure get derpy any time someone wants to do something progressive.

Extremely derpy.
 
2018-02-08 02:17:17 PM  

whidbey: Is the Atlantic a left-leaning publication or not?

They sure get derpy any time someone wants to do something progressive.

Extremely derpy.


The article isn't bad, actually.
 
2018-02-08 02:19:09 PM  

Gubbo: Was it an accident, or did they just see they still had fuel in the tank and just let it keep burning til empty?


The way I read it seems to be the latter.
 
2018-02-08 02:21:31 PM  
This post submitted by ULA
 
2018-02-08 02:23:05 PM  
They weren't finely controlling its trajectory. They just aimed it away from Earth and fired the rocket. They weren't even testing this part of the mission. It's like checking to see if a gun even fires by pointing it at a target and shooting. You don't get to claim that the scope doesn't work because you didn't get a bullseye. In this case there wasn't even a scope attached so to speak.
 
2018-02-08 02:29:20 PM  

Gubbo: Was it an accident, or did they just see they still had fuel in the tank and just let it keep burning til empty?


The latter. And now they showed prospective customers they have the ability to reach the Asteroid Belt.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2018-02-08 02:31:20 PM  
I think there was a reason they launched a car instead of a real payload.
 
2018-02-08 02:37:31 PM  

Blues_X: whidbey: Is the Atlantic a left-leaning publication or not?

They sure get derpy any time someone wants to do something progressive.

Extremely derpy.

The article isn't bad, actually.


Gratuitous naysaying "isn't bad?"
 
2018-02-08 02:39:57 PM  
That's kind of the point of a test mission, you knobs.
 
2018-02-08 02:43:26 PM  
For a test flight, it was damn impressive.
 
2018-02-08 02:43:50 PM  
100 million kilometers off? in space terms that's like, 10 feet
 
2018-02-08 02:44:25 PM  
It's heading off to find the Loc-Nar.
 
2018-02-08 02:44:52 PM  

vpb: I think there was a reason they launched a car instead of a real payload.


According to some farkers, it was a way for Musk to dispose of a dead body in the most public way possible... ;-)
 
2018-02-08 02:47:06 PM  
It was never designed to, and could never have, actually fall into a Martian orbit. Hell, it didn't have either the fuel or manoeuvring thrusters to park when it got there. In fact, I'm pretty sure any gross trajectory of it would have been designed so that it would definitely not hit Mars.
 
2018-02-08 02:47:13 PM  
I think that was a pretty well thought out test plan.  It didn't go entirely like the mission plan, but I bet they got a boatload of data and already know more or less how to correct the things that didn't go as expected.
 
2018-02-08 02:47:44 PM  

vpb: I think there was a reason they launched a car instead of a real payload.


no shiat
Heavy Metal / SpaceX Crossover
Youtube XT2HZEyJkVA
 
2018-02-08 02:48:08 PM  
Sorry Subby it was a test.  Also, complete fail would be blowing up on the pad.

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2018-02-08 02:59:17 PM  
How Not to Land an Orbital Rocket Booster
Youtube bvim4rsNHkQ
 
2018-02-08 03:01:22 PM  
A billion years from now, some alien is going to have a sweet ride...
 
2018-02-08 03:04:12 PM  

Merltech: For a test flight, it was damn impressive.


Considering Musk himself basically admitted there were even odds it would go kablooey, yeah I'd say outperforming the upper stage's expectations and landing 2 of 3 rockets safely ain't too shabby.
 
2018-02-08 03:08:40 PM  
Ha ha ha.

NOW Musk finds out CARS CAN'T STEER IN SPACE!

Ha ha ha.

Looser
 
2018-02-08 03:08:56 PM  

abhorrent1: 100 million kilometers off? in space terms that's like, 10 feet


It's not even the right measurement.  Once you're out of the atmosphere you want to talk about deltaV rather than distance- it literally does not matter how far away something is so long as you're going fast enough to get there.

DeltaV to Vesta rather than Mars is only 0.92km/s extra.  Given how fast the upper stage can accelerate with a light load (like a Tesla) and low fuel, that's only a few dozen seconds of thrust if that.

All SpaceX cared about here is that the engine relit after going through the Van Allen belts a few times.  It did- mission accomplished
 
2018-02-08 03:09:08 PM  
So the article fails to present us with a more accurate estimate of the trajectory. Or did I miss something? Other than pointing out that it isn't already out at the belt, which no one thought anyways, the article doesn't have much at all to say.
 
2018-02-08 03:09:42 PM  
What would that car be worth it someone were to bring the car back and restore it to drivable condition?
 
2018-02-08 03:13:22 PM  
Just wait until he comes back.
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2018-02-08 03:13:33 PM  

devine: What would that car be worth it someone were to bring the car back and restore it to drivable condition?



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"I know a guy who deals with restored cars from space, let me get a hold of him"
 
2018-02-08 03:15:28 PM  

Invincible: So the article fails to present us with a more accurate estimate of the trajectory. Or did I miss something? Other than pointing out that it isn't already out at the belt, which no one thought anyways, the article doesn't have much at all to say.


Still waiting for an official word, but the last estimate I saw was  0.99 x 1.71 AU.  Understand that no one's officially tracking this, as the mission is over. A few people in the astronomy community are watching it though, so we should hear something within a few days.
 
2018-02-08 03:15:52 PM  
Great, by the time it reaches Mars, someone will have taken its parking spot.
 
2018-02-08 03:16:08 PM  

devine: What would that car be worth it someone were to bring the car back and restore it to drivable condition?


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2018-02-08 03:16:16 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: abhorrent1: 100 million kilometers off? in space terms that's like, 10 feet

It's not even the right measurement.  Once you're out of the atmosphere you want to talk about deltaV rather than distance- it literally does not matter how far away something is so long as you're going fast enough to get there.

DeltaV to Vesta rather than Mars is only 0.92km/s extra.  Given how fast the upper stage can accelerate with a light load (like a Tesla) and low fuel, that's only a few dozen seconds of thrust if that.


Yeah. That's what I meant.

/I have no idea what that means.
 
2018-02-08 03:17:05 PM  
What a Tesla may look like after re-entry:
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2018-02-08 03:18:10 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Gubbo: Was it an accident, or did they just see they still had fuel in the tank and just let it keep burning til empty?

The latter. And now they showed prospective customers they have the ability to reach the Asteroid Belt.


Or don't, based on the corrected numbers mentioned in the article.

"So, based on the corrected numbers, the car actually won't make it as far as the asteroid belt, as Musk claimed in his tweet."
 
2018-02-08 03:20:27 PM  
This whole thing sure has brought the Elon Musk haters out of the woodwork, eager to rail on his hubris and "narcissism" and pounce on any half-digested bit of information as proof that he somehow failed.
 
2018-02-08 03:25:44 PM  
he launched trash into space.  great.  now we are polluting not just near orbots with junk, but now we have an ego stroke out there.
 
2018-02-08 03:30:22 PM  

nekom: Merltech: For a test flight, it was damn impressive.

Considering Musk himself basically admitted there were even odds it would go kablooey, yeah I'd say outperforming the upper stage's expectations and landing 2 of 3 rockets safely ain't too shabby.


Dropping two rockets from 65km up and landing them on pads about the size of my driveway?

Meh.  Call me when Kanye releases a new t-shirt.
 
2018-02-08 03:32:55 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: This whole thing sure has brought the Elon Musk haters out of the woodwork, eager to rail on his hubris and "narcissism" and pounce on any half-digested bit of information as proof that he somehow failed.


Hating things that other people find awe inspiring is the new in thing these days. Started with the MCU movies, moved on and mutated with the Star Wars movies and have now grown into what we see here.
 
2018-02-08 03:33:33 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: This whole thing sure has brought the Elon Musk haters out of the woodwork, eager to rail on his hubris and "narcissism" and pounce on any half-digested bit of information as proof that he somehow failed.


Gawd ain't that the farkin truth.  I am facebook fighting with people whining about this thing, literally because of Syria.  Seriously.

Musk has made space and science cool again, but emo internet Debby Downer gotta find something to shiat on.
 
2018-02-08 03:33:33 PM  

Burr: devine: What would that car be worth it someone were to bring the car back and restore it to drivable condition?


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"I know a guy who deals with restored cars from space, let me get a hold of him"


not a lot of demands for cars from space.  it's a niche market and they take up a lot of space in the shop.  I'll give you $1000 and a signed Niel Armstrong action figure.
 
2018-02-08 03:37:43 PM  

Gubbo: Was it an accident, or did they just see they still had fuel in the tank and just let it keep burning til empty?


Most of the real reports I've seen, they just let it burn until all the fuel was gone. Seems like a very reasonable thing to do.
 
2018-02-08 03:42:49 PM  

devine: What would that car be worth it someone were to bring the car back and restore it to drivable condition?


It would burn up on the return trip. No wait, that was my Ford Pinto.
 
2018-02-08 03:44:21 PM  

Rent Party: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: This whole thing sure has brought the Elon Musk haters out of the woodwork, eager to rail on his hubris and "narcissism" and pounce on any half-digested bit of information as proof that he somehow failed.

Gawd ain't that the farkin truth.  I am facebook fighting with people whining about this thing, literally because of Syria.  Seriously.

Musk has made space and science cool again, but emo internet Debby Downer gotta find something to shiat on.


They're whining about the falcon heavy launch.... because of Syria?

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2018-02-08 03:49:10 PM  

Smoking GNU: They're whining about the falcon heavy launch.... because of Syria?

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shiat you, I do not.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentis​f​ree/2018/feb/07/elon-musk-spacex-launc​h-utterly-depressing

Gems from this little darling...

Meanwhile, in Syria, where hundreds of thousands of refugees may be forced to return to unsafe homes amid "global anti-refugee backlash", an anti-government activist said despondently that he was no longer sure why he bothers to videotape the effects of bombing, since nobody ever pays attention: "I don't know what the point is." The UN human rights coordinator for Syria pondered what level of violence it would take to make the world care, saying officials were "running out of words" to describe the crisis.

There is, perhaps, no better way to appreciate the tragedy of 21st-century global inequality than by watching a billionaire spend $90m launching a $100,000 car into the far reaches of the solar system.


And this lovely

A mission to Mars does indeed sound exciting, but it's important to have our priorities straight. First, perhaps we could make it so that a child no longer dies of malaria every two minutes. Or we could try to address the level of poverty in Alabama that has become so extreme the UN investigator did not believe it could still occur in a first-world country. Perhaps once violence, poverty and disease are solved, then we can head for the stars.
 
2018-02-08 03:54:25 PM  

Rent Party: Smoking GNU: They're whining about the falcon heavy launch.... because of Syria?

[img.fark.net image 500x607]

shiat you, I do not.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf​ree/2018/feb/07/elon-musk-spacex-launc​h-utterly-depressing

Gems from this little darling...

Meanwhile, in Syria, where hundreds of thousands of refugees may be forced to return to unsafe homes amid "global anti-refugee backlash", an anti-government activist said despondently that he was no longer sure why he bothers to videotape the effects of bombing, since nobody ever pays attention: "I don't know what the point is." The UN human rights coordinator for Syria pondered what level of violence it would take to make the world care, saying officials were "running out of words" to describe the crisis.

There is, perhaps, no better way to appreciate the tragedy of 21st-century global inequality than by watching a billionaire spend $90m launching a $100,000 car into the far reaches of the solar system.

And this lovely

A mission to Mars does indeed sound exciting, but it's important to have our priorities straight. First, perhaps we could make it so that a child no longer dies of malaria every two minutes. Or we could try to address the level of poverty in Alabama that has become so extreme the UN investigator did not believe it could still occur in a first-world country. Perhaps once violence, poverty and disease are solved, then we can head for the stars.


*DING* Upgrade!

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2018-02-08 03:55:43 PM  

Rent Party: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: This whole thing sure has brought the Elon Musk haters out of the woodwork, eager to rail on his hubris and "narcissism" and pounce on any half-digested bit of information as proof that he somehow failed.

Gawd ain't that the farkin truth.  I am facebook fighting with people whining about this thing, literally because of Syria.  Seriously.

Musk has made space and science cool again, but emo internet Debby Downer gotta find something to shiat on.


I like the 'gotcha' types who have to point out that a Tesla actually uses natural resources when it's built, so it's just as bad as a fossil powered car, even though for them there's nothing wrong with fossil fuel powered... well, anything.
 
2018-02-08 03:56:42 PM  
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Unless she identified otherwise.
 
2018-02-08 04:02:12 PM  
Great_Milenko:
I like the 'gotcha' types who have to point out that a Tesla actually uses natural resources when it's built, so it's just as bad as a fossil powered car, even though for them there's nothing wrong with fossil fuel powered... well, anything.

Yeah, they usually say that while sitting in their little retro plastic chairs while listening to vinyl records.

I was really interested to learn that those rockets are fueled with what is essentially high grade kerosene.   Freaking things are diesel powered!
 
2018-02-08 04:07:54 PM  
eurotrader found this pic and bio of the guardian article guy

stolen from the TF thread:


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The Author Nathan Robinson BA (African American Studies), and now a  PhD student in Sociology & Social Policy at Harvard. I sure it is not misplaced guilt for something driving him.
 
2018-02-08 04:16:03 PM  

Rent Party: Smoking GNU: They're whining about the falcon heavy launch.... because of Syria?

[img.fark.net image 500x607]

shiat you, I do not.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisf​ree/2018/feb/07/elon-musk-spacex-launc​h-utterly-depressing

Gems from this little darling...

Meanwhile, in Syria, where hundreds of thousands of refugees may be forced to return to unsafe homes amid "global anti-refugee backlash", an anti-government activist said despondently that he was no longer sure why he bothers to videotape the effects of bombing, since nobody ever pays attention: "I don't know what the point is." The UN human rights coordinator for Syria pondered what level of violence it would take to make the world care, saying officials were "running out of words" to describe the crisis.

There is, perhaps, no better way to appreciate the tragedy of 21st-century global inequality than by watching a billionaire spend $90m launching a $100,000 car into the far reaches of the solar system.

And this lovely

A mission to Mars does indeed sound exciting, but it's important to have our priorities straight. First, perhaps we could make it so that a child no longer dies of malaria every two minutes. Or we could try to address the level of poverty in Alabama that has become so extreme the UN investigator did not believe it could still occur in a first-world country. Perhaps once violence, poverty and disease are solved, then we can head for the stars.


I guess we're incapable of doing more than one thing at a time.
 
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