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(Tuscaloosa News)   A teacher who was fired for having sex with a student is now challenging the law and says her firing was unconstitutional. Fark: She may technically be correct   ( tuscaloosanews.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 11:12:22 AM  
The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?
 
2018-02-08 11:15:56 AM  
You go girl!

/eyeroll

Farking minors is not a freedom enshrined in the constitution. But Federal supremacy is mentioned meaning anything the feds don't address, the states have the right to address themselves.
 
2018-02-08 11:16:11 AM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?


Pffft... like he'd be arrested for that in Alabama.
 
2018-02-08 11:39:58 AM  

Ambivalence: You go girl!

/eyeroll

Farking minors is not a freedom enshrined in the constitution. But Federal supremacy is mentioned meaning anything the feds don't address, the states have the right to address themselves.


Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors (insert Bureaucrat #1 picture). This law seems to say that any teacher in any school or district can not have a relationship with anyone between the ages of 16-19. Yet anyone who is not a teacher can.

So a police officer, who has authority over basically everyone, can fark a 16-year-old and be just fine.

Now, I do think it's weird and squicky if you're in your 30s (or even 20s) and you're going after high school boys/girls. Something's not firing right for you. But I also think it's excessive to have this law only apply to teachers when there are other positions of authority that don't have those same restrictions.
 
2018-02-08 11:49:06 AM  
FTFA: "But a 65-year-old doctor, minister, therapist, or attorney is not subject to criminal liability in Alabama for having consensual sex with a 16-year-old over whom he has authority or with whom he holds a position of trust," she said. She noted that the statute didn't apply to private school employees until 2016.

Otherwise known as the Roy Moore defense.
 
2018-02-08 11:55:27 AM  
It's quite possible that the action is not criminal, but does constitute professional misconduct and thus grounds for firing.
 
2018-02-08 11:55:55 AM  
scottydoesntknow:

Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors

Then if they are not minors, and hence are adults, they should be able to vote, drink and smoke
 
2018-02-08 12:03:30 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: scottydoesntknow:

Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors

Then if they are not minors, and hence are adults, they should be able to vote, drink and smoke


Sure, I don't care.

But the fact of the matter in relation to this article is the law targets one specific group while ignoring other groups that have demonstrable authority over 16-19-year-olds.

If we're going to apply this law, apply it fairly.
 
2018-02-08 12:07:22 PM  
The best kind of correct.
 
2018-02-08 12:07:57 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: scottydoesntknow:

Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors

Then if they are not minors, and hence are adults, they should be able to vote, drink and smoke


They try 12 years olds as adults in Alabama.
 
2018-02-08 12:08:28 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?

Pffft... like he'd be arrested for that in Alabama.


Depends on whose goat.
 
2018-02-08 12:08:28 PM  

RminusQ: It's quite possible that the action is not criminal, but does constitute professional misconduct and thus grounds for firing.


Well, here, it's most certainly criminal. That's why they're challenging the law.
 
2018-02-08 12:08:41 PM  
Sometimes it's up to you to control you
 
2018-02-08 12:09:26 PM  
Being a teacher doesn't make you a member of a suspect class.
 
2018-02-08 12:09:33 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?


Bestiality laws apply equally, so aren't unConstitutional.

In this case, however:

"Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority,"

Annoyingly, I'd have to side with her on legal grounds.
 
2018-02-08 12:10:38 PM  
There's an XKCD cartoon about election machines I expected to see on here by now.

Be the change, and so forth, I guess.

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2018-02-08 12:10:48 PM  
"Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority," said Parker's appellate attorney, Virginia Buck of Northport.

The Roy Moore Law. "I don't understand the Roy Moore Law but if it lets me get giggity with the girls, I'll enforce it" says Roy Moore.

/channeling Zap Brannigan
 
2018-02-08 12:10:52 PM  
She may have a case.  The relevant law wasn't passed until 2016 and she is alleged to have committed the crimes from 2014 to 2016.  If she didn't commit the acts after the law was passed, she can't have contravened the law (no ex post facto laws are allowed under Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution).
 
2018-02-08 12:11:03 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?


Yes.  This may be hard to understand but EVERYTHING is legal, UNLESS there is a law prohibiting it.

So you go right ahead and love the love that dare not bah its name.  Unless its illegal in your locale.
 
2018-02-08 12:12:13 PM  
Stay classy Alabama.....
 
2018-02-08 12:13:05 PM  

Arkanaut: Benevolent Misanthrope: Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?

Pffft... like he'd be arrested for that in Alabama.

Depends on whose goat.


What the fark is it with you people about Alabama and goat sex?
 
2018-02-08 12:13:44 PM  
Gentlemen, you're all ignoring the most important legal precedent of all.

Is she hot?
 
2018-02-08 12:14:54 PM  
I was making this case back in the early 1980s... when I was 17. And involved with my Chemistry teacher.

I was over the age of consent in the state of Georgia, and she was only 6 years older than I was. Emotionally, I was probably the more mature one. And I'd already taken her class before the affair began, so there was no question of favoritism (hell, I only made a B anyway). There really was no good reason why we shouldn't have dated, and I still look back on our relationship fondly. I hope she does too.
 
2018-02-08 12:15:26 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?

Bestiality laws apply equally, so aren't unConstitutional.

In this case, however:

"Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority,"

Annoyingly, I'd have to side with her on legal grounds.


So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?
 
2018-02-08 12:15:39 PM  
We also have rules about dealing dope nearby schools. Some places have strict zoning rules nearby schools that prevent adult oriented businesses from operating. Why is it that we have all those protections for our children? If you have to ask, well, I can answer that - it's the Republicans.
 
2018-02-08 12:16:11 PM  
It seems to me that the law is perhaps incomplete if it only singles out teachers as being the ones "in authority".

If she is challenging the law, then what that is, the law needs better teeth.  It should not have been so restrictive.
 
2018-02-08 12:16:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Donald Trump's Vagina: scottydoesntknow:

Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors

Then if they are not minors, and hence are adults, they should be able to vote, drink and smoke

Sure, I don't care.

But the fact of the matter in relation to this article is the law targets one specific group while ignoring other groups that have demonstrable authority over 16-19-year-olds.

If we're going to apply this law, apply it fairly.


Pretty much this.

She may have a valid legal argument, here, because the law as written seems very much to have created dual classes of persons, which would in my understanding breach the Equal Protection clause. If she wins, we may not like the idea of her getting away with it, but the fault for that lies with the people who wrote the law in the first place.

The easy fix going forward is to add language to the existing law that expands it to include anyone who has sex with a person under 19 when they hold authority or a position of trust in relation to that person.

Doesn't prevent her from being fired for breaching a policy, but it would clarify the intent of the statue and ensure it conforms to the Constitution.
 
2018-02-08 12:17:18 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: ArcadianRefugee: Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?

Bestiality laws apply equally, so aren't unConstitutional.

In this case, however:

"Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority,"

Annoyingly, I'd have to side with her on legal grounds.

So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?


That's not what he said at all.

The fact is a police officer CAN do that, but another person in a different profession can't, even though the police officer has a lot more authority.
 
2018-02-08 12:18:47 PM  
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I am so confused.
 
2018-02-08 12:19:00 PM  

RminusQ: It's quite possible that the action is not criminal, but does constitute professional misconduct and thus grounds for firing.


She's in prison.
 
2018-02-08 12:19:06 PM  
What sloppy editorial work. Where the mug shot is supposed to be, they used a picture of Andy Richter.
 
2018-02-08 12:19:53 PM  
Freedom of Assembly (Inside of Me)is my favorite Samantha Fox B-side
 
2018-02-08 12:20:01 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?


It's irrelevant what people are ok with, it's currently legal in Alabama. What she did isn't morally right, but singling out teachers while leaving it legal for everybody else is unconstitutional.

Morally right and legally right are two separate things. In this case the state was morally correct but legally wrong.
 
2018-02-08 12:20:07 PM  
Busted. In more ways than one.
 
2018-02-08 12:20:19 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: I was making this case back in the early 1980s... when I was 17. And involved with my Chemistry teacher.

I was over the age of consent in the state of Georgia, and she was only 6 years older than I was. Emotionally, I was probably the more mature one. And I'd already taken her class before the affair began, so there was no question of favoritism (hell, I only made a B anyway). There really was no good reason why we shouldn't have dated, and I still look back on our relationship fondly. I hope she does too.


That's hawt!
 
2018-02-08 12:20:48 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: ArcadianRefugee: "Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority,"
Annoyingly, I'd have to side with her on legal grounds.

So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?


No he isn't, and it's disingenuous to imply that he is.
In fact, he's clearly saying the exact opposite.  He's saying that she should win her case BECAUSE that cop ISN'T currently held to the same standard.  He's saying make the standard include ALL trust/authority relationships.
 
b3x
2018-02-08 12:21:09 PM  
Eh, you gotta be better looking to get away with stuff. Appeal Denied!
 
2018-02-08 12:21:12 PM  
Florida remarkably has a pretty good law on this issue: a maximum age (23, I think) for who can have sex with 16-18 year olds. It doesn't explicitly address teacher-student, but it has the same effect.

Although I guess it's legal for a college professor to have sex with a student? Professional misconduct that usually results in a firing I suppose, but I guess it can't be made illegal. Just another reminder if how flawed legal equality can be.
 
2018-02-08 12:21:13 PM  
Alabama sure does produce some grade A stupid when it comes to legal scholarship.  Who the hell drafted and voted on that ridiculous law?

If the state wants to criminalize creepy secks with teenagers, then it could have passed a law that either raised the age of consent or set up some kind of sliding scale that would match up with the general sentiment of the public (under 17 no-go; between minors OK; within normal dating range - 18-16 ok but not 18-12 or 21-16 or something like that).  If it applies to everyone then it's fair.

If they wanted to specifically deal with teacher-student then they needed to be a lot more specific on which teacher-student relationships are criminalized beyond the normal statutory setup - and they'd need to be very clear on why and why not other professions (doctors, coaches, etc.).

Ultimately they probably shouldn't have even tried to pass a profession-specific criminal law - adjust the law that applies to everyone to deal with it, and then revise the employment contracts and regulations within the school boards to enable termination and other discipline for the icky relationships that aren't technically crimes.
 
2018-02-08 12:21:34 PM  
scottydoesntknow:
Now, I do think it's weird and squicky if you're in your 30s (or even 20s) and you're going after high school boys/girls. Something's not firing right for you...

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2018-02-08 12:22:33 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?


Being "OK with it" is not the same thing as "not willing to prosecute and lock people up over it".
 
2018-02-08 12:22:35 PM  
You. Guys. SUCK.
I can't believe 35+posts in and I have to do your legwork.
Sheesh

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2018-02-08 12:22:49 PM  
Making things automatically criminal because of age is just a super lazy way of legislating. Just because someone's below or above a certain age doesn't mean that harm was or wasn't done.
 
2018-02-08 12:23:15 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: I was making this case back in the early 1980s... when I was 17. And involved with my Chemistry teacher.

I was over the age of consent in the state of Georgia, and she was only 6 years older than I was. Emotionally, I was probably the more mature one. And I'd already taken her class before the affair began, so there was no question of favoritism (hell, I only made a B anyway). There really was no good reason why we shouldn't have dated, and I still look back on our relationship fondly. I hope she does too.


I'm assuming this was in the days before camera phones and instantaneous messaging.

So how did y'all get caught? Were you bragging too much?

CSB: The QB of our high school team slept with our English teacher at a party. This was a brand new Christian school (we were first class to go all 4 years), and the administration wanted to suspend everyone at the party and fire the teacher. Parents came to the school and said if you punish the kids, we'll go to the media about the scandal. They did NOT want that kind of attention, so they brushed it under the rug, no one was punished, and the teacher was allowed to resign.
 
2018-02-08 12:23:22 PM  
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2018-02-08 12:24:16 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: scottydoesntknow:

Age of consent in Alabama is 16, so technically they are not minors

Then if they are not minors, and hence are adults, they should be able to vote, drink and smoke


Tell that to California.  You have to be 21 to buy tobacco.  Either people are adults or not.  Pick a hole.  If they are not adults, strip all rights away from them.  Make 20 year olds minors.
 
2018-02-08 12:24:56 PM  
I like how her husband was banging students too. They seem like a great match for each other.
 
2018-02-08 12:25:06 PM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: ArcadianRefugee: Donald Trump's Vagina: The Constitution also makes no mention of sex with animals either, so can Hillbilly Henry challenge the police arrest if he wants to go out and fark a goat?

Bestiality laws apply equally, so aren't unConstitutional.

In this case, however:

"Alabama law does not make it a crime for members of other occupations to have consensual sex with 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds, even when there is a position of trust or authority,"

Annoyingly, I'd have to side with her on legal grounds.

So you'd be OK if a police, while on duty, was poking a 16 year old?


What part of "annoyingly" is hard to understand?
 
2018-02-08 12:25:19 PM  

ChipNASA: You. Guys. SUCK.
I can't believe 35+posts in and I have to do your legwork.
Sheesh

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I had you covered, though not in picture form.

scottydoesntknow: (insert Bureaucrat #1 picture)

 
2018-02-08 12:26:48 PM  

Huntceet: That's hawt!


I won't lie to you... it was. But that's not all it was.

It was sweet. It was emotionally fulfilling. It was challenging, and it was rewarding. And it was exactly what we both needed at that point in our lives.

People hate hearing that. But I was there, and I swear it's the truth.
 
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