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(The Daily Beast)   After scammers victimized his dementia-ridden grandmother, a man takes to Twitch to give the scammers a well-deserved dose of their own medicine   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 01:12:13 PM  
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2018-02-08 01:19:01 PM  
Once I answered the phone with my CPAP on and it was the IRS. I said hello. The guy said he was from the IRS I said some sentence. And the guy said are you okay are you sick? I answered something. And then he whispered this is a scam the IRS will never call you have a nice day.
 
2018-02-08 01:40:31 PM  
One thing he won't do, however, is take revenge.

Well there's your problem right there.

"I try hard not to assume that the person on the other line is a terrible person," he said.

But they are though.
Your own dementia afflicted grandmother was ripped off thousands of dollars, and these people steal millions of dollars from the elderly every year. Stop being Mr. Polite and saying "they are just trying to make a living themselves." So are bank robbers, so are child pornographers. Hit them where it hurts.
If I had the skills I'd be ripping them off as revenge and giving the money to their victims.
 
2018-02-08 01:42:00 PM  
Bravo for him doing this, should be a government office for finding, scamming and beating these people. If they don't live here then you can just flood their phone lines with calls like that one guy did.
 
2018-02-08 01:46:14 PM  
See? Even if you do have a crappy Evil power, like being a supreme jerk... It is possible to use it in the service of Good.
 
2018-02-08 03:00:47 PM  
He's doing to Lord's work...
 
2018-02-08 03:04:01 PM  
What a colossal waste of time. Sure, it's his time and if it makes him feel better, great. But he's not hurting the scammers much, if at all.
 
2018-02-08 03:20:55 PM  
So it's like the 419 baiters with a new twist.  Sounds like he's having fun with it, so good for him and stuff.
 
2018-02-08 03:53:23 PM  
How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?
 
2018-02-08 03:54:25 PM  

mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?


it might be, if you are clever.
 
2018-02-08 03:58:12 PM  

doglover: mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?

it might be, if you are clever.


dammit!

/wait, what?
 
2018-02-08 04:00:15 PM  
That is the most internet thing I've read all day.
 
2018-02-08 04:07:37 PM  

SBinRR: So it's like the 419 baiters with a new twist.  Sounds like he's having fun with it, so good for him and stuff.


And he is making (at least) $5000 a month.
More power to him I say.

/and yes, more should be done against the scammers, but that's not his job
 
2018-02-08 04:07:49 PM  

doglover: mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?

it might be, if you are clever.


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2018-02-08 04:14:08 PM  

Resident Muslim: SBinRR: So it's like the 419 baiters with a new twist.  Sounds like he's having fun with it, so good for him and stuff.

And he is making (at least) $5000 a month.
More power to him I say.

/and yes, more should be done against the scammers, but that's not his job


sounds like he's made it his job, which is....kinda awesome.
 
2018-02-08 04:18:50 PM  
The last of those people to call me, went something like this:

This is Microsoft tech support.  Your computer has a virus.
Oh, really?  What OS does my machine run?
Windows.
No.  All my machines run Linux.
No, your machines run Windows, and you have a virus.
Oh, ok.  You got me...  Listen, why don't I just give you all of my banking information now, and save you the trouble.  I know you have other people to scam.
Ok, that would be fine.
Great.  My Bank account number is 0-4-8-GOFARKYOURSELF.  And Die in a fire.
 
2018-02-08 04:28:14 PM  
A much more feel good story would be is if he found out where they lived, coordinated with connections inside the police department and got a couple shiatty dog and unarmed minority murdering officers sent to the scene, where a massive firefight ensues.

Everybody dies.

YAAAAAYYY!!!!!!
 
2018-02-08 04:33:36 PM  

Walker: One thing he won't do, however, is take revenge.

Well there's your problem right there.

"I try hard not to assume that the person on the other line is a terrible person," he said.

But they are though.
Your own dementia afflicted grandmother was ripped off thousands of dollars, and these people steal millions of dollars from the elderly every year. Stop being Mr. Polite and saying "they are just trying to make a living themselves." So are bank robbers, so are child pornographers. Hit them where it hurts.
If I had the skills I'd be ripping them off as revenge and giving the money to their victims.


The trick is to not commit any crimes yourself. There was/is a group called 419 eaters who did this quasi professionally. They specialized in the Nigerian 419 scam (the old "I am a Nigerian Prince" scam)

If you get money out of the scammer, you have also committed a crime. If you get the scammer to spend money on something stupid that you receive no benefit from, you're fine.

My favorite example was where one of the scambaiters got a scammer to join his fake religion (the scammer was trying to get money a charity had earmarked for setting up a church in Africa or something) and as part of the initiation he had to get a tattoo that said PWND.

Another example: the scammer was trying to get money for something, and the baiter told him that he could award fine arts grants, and told him to send him an example of his sculpture work. The scammer went and commissioned a sculpture and spent like 200 bucks shipping it to a phony address in England, plus whatever the sculpture cost.
 
2018-02-08 04:34:00 PM  

johnny_vegas: doglover: mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?

it might be, if you are clever.

dammit!

/wait, what?


I don't know how to backtrace stuff physically or with hackerman skillz, but I do know people have been farking with nigerian scammers for years now.

If you play your cards right and do a long game, you can probably get some kind of contact with them that gets you their rough physical location after a year or two. At least a mailing address.
 
2018-02-08 04:34:56 PM  
He hunts them down and beats them to death with a sack filled with D batteries?
No?
Well then anything less is selling yourself short dude.
 
2018-02-08 04:36:44 PM  
scam baiting, you say....
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2018-02-08 04:36:55 PM  
My father-in-law got sucked in by the 'support scammers'. They are a plague on the world. I don't want my parents on PCs anymore. Stick to iPads. But my mom won't listen, because she wants to be able to print.
 
2018-02-08 04:44:15 PM  
"You're phone isn't working well because it's got a porn clog. It's clogged with porn, you dirty, dirty man."
 
2018-02-08 04:46:18 PM  
I must have had the worst of the bunch, because every tech scam call I've ever had, the minute they catch on that I'm screwing with them (Most of the time it's when I give them a 127* IP or mention Linux) they instantly start with the "f*ck your mother you stupid motherf--" talk.  Every time, without fail.  I can understand him wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't horrible people and they're just trying to earn a living, but every one I've talked to was a POS.
 
2018-02-08 04:48:06 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: My father-in-law got sucked in by the 'support scammers'. They are a plague on the world. I don't want my parents on PCs anymore. Stick to iPads. But my mom won't listen, because she wants to be able to print.


My dad bought a brand spanking new computer. Unloaded it. Got it out of the box. Loaded it up with 60,00 itunes songs.

Phone call.

30 minutes later the computer is un-farking-usable. He yelled like hell about Microsoft said this and that and they screwed up and hes irate. I explain what happened, and he just. could. not. believe me.

"No you dont understand, THEY WERE MICROSOFT"
"They did say that, they were lying. They were lying so they can scam you."
"How do you explain how they were able to move the mouse on my screen?!"
"You gave them permissions when you clicked the link."
"MICROSOFT"
 
2018-02-08 04:56:57 PM  

doglover: johnny_vegas: doglover: mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?

it might be, if you are clever.

dammit!

/wait, what?

I don't know how to backtrace stuff physically or with hackerman skillz, but I do know people have been farking with nigerian scammers for years now.

If you play your cards right and do a long game, you can probably get some kind of contact with them that gets you their rough physical location after a year or two. At least a mailing address.


You'd be surprised at the level of information, that's extremely available and accurate, out there in teh webs. Facebook is the absolute best, if one just happened to be a Grey Hat.

/ no backtracing required
 
2018-02-08 04:57:10 PM  

unicron702: I must have had the worst of the bunch, because every tech scam call I've ever had, the minute they catch on that I'm screwing with them (Most of the time it's when I give them a 127* IP or mention Linux) they instantly start with the "f*ck your mother you stupid motherf--" talk.  Every time, without fail.  I can understand him wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't horrible people and they're just trying to earn a living, but every one I've talked to was a POS.


A lot of these people are working in call center like areas on commission, so they have to make tons of calls to get a hit.

I just waste their time.

"Oh hello, Sorry this isn't my phone I'll get them for you"

*hold for 5 minutes*

"Hi yeah they're on the way they sound interested".

Repeat the last two steps until they hangup, my record is stringing along a fake police charity scam for 30 minutes.
 
2018-02-08 04:58:11 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: My favorite example was where one of the scambaiters got a scammer to join his fake religion (the scammer was trying to get money a charity had earmarked for setting up a church in Africa or something) and as part of the initiation he had to get a tattoo that said PWND.


I will have you know that my church is very much real!
 
2018-02-08 04:58:33 PM  
http://www.419eater.com/

Lol.
 
2018-02-08 04:59:03 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: My father-in-law got sucked in by the 'support scammers'. They are a plague on the world. I don't want my parents on PCs anymore. Stick to iPads. But my mom won't listen, because she wants to be able to print.


Set her up with a Chromebook.  Just as easy to use, totally functional, and can print just fine.  Especially easy if you have a network printer.  And seriously, nowadays is there anything else?
 
2018-02-08 05:00:15 PM  
I listened to a really good expose on this issue on the NPROne app some months ago, where they did something of a "deep dive" into the subject, and went to India to try and find them.

The first episode is here, and it's well worth a listen.
 
2018-02-08 05:01:22 PM  

unicron702: I must have had the worst of the bunch, because every tech scam call I've ever had, the minute they catch on that I'm screwing with them (Most of the time it's when I give them a 127* IP or mention Linux) they instantly start with the "f*ck your mother you stupid motherf--" talk.  Every time, without fail.  I can understand him wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't horrible people and they're just trying to earn a living, but every one I've talked to was a POS.


You've got to sound old. And say things like "IP? I had pees for dinner." "Oh, the address? Let's see... well, it's 235 Main St." Stuff like that.
 
2018-02-08 05:03:22 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: My father-in-law got sucked in by the 'support scammers'. They are a plague on the world. I don't want my parents on PCs anymore. Stick to iPads. But my mom won't listen, because she wants to be able to print.


You can print from an iPad over WiFi
 
2018-02-08 05:04:03 PM  

frisbee3: http://www.419eater.com/

Lol.


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I won a coffee mug for this picture. It has been fourteen years, but it still sits at my desk.

I have not really baited a scammer in quite some time.
 
2018-02-08 05:06:33 PM  

mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?


Yes. You backtrace them and then consequences will never be the same.
 
2018-02-08 05:07:22 PM  

Walker: One thing he won't do, however, is take revenge.

Well there's your problem right there.

"I try hard not to assume that the person on the other line is a terrible person," he said.

But they are though.
Your own dementia afflicted grandmother was ripped off thousands of dollars, and these people steal millions of dollars from the elderly every year. Stop being Mr. Polite and saying "they are just trying to make a living themselves." So are bank robbers, so are child pornographers. Hit them where it hurts.
If I had the skills I'd be ripping them off as revenge and giving the money to their victims.


Yea, except for that whole "commit a crime yourself and get charged" part that he's avoiding by doing that.
 
2018-02-08 05:08:16 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: What a colossal waste of time. Sure, it's his time and if it makes him feel better, great. But he's not hurting the scammers much, if at all.


Yeah, such a waste of time when he's making decent enough money by doing it.  AND having fun to boot.
 
2018-02-08 05:11:33 PM  
So he's doing nothing, while pretending to do something, and he's collecting money for it.

They have a word for a person that does that.
Scammer.
 
2018-02-08 05:15:01 PM  

durbnpoisn: The last of those people to call me, went something like this:

This is Microsoft tech support.  Your computer has a virus.
Oh, really?  What OS does my machine run?
Windows.
No.  All my machines run Linux.
No, your machines run Windows, and you have a virus.
Oh, ok.  You got me...  Listen, why don't I just give you all of my banking information now, and save you the trouble.  I know you have other people to scam.
Ok, that would be fine.
Great.  My Bank account number is 0-4-8-GOFARKYOURSELF.  And Die in a fire.


Heh.  Went a similar way but I told them we run Apple computers* in our office; he insisted we ran Windows then I told him, "Really, Safari can be used in Windows**?"

He apologized, thanked me and hung up.

* -- We don't
** -- Yes, Safari can run on Windows but only the older versions of Safari.
 
2018-02-08 05:15:20 PM  
Before clicking the link, I hoped this was a story about an elderly Trump voter and couldn't wait to read about all the crank phone calls made to the White House. But this is nice, too.
 
2018-02-08 05:17:30 PM  

ds615: So he's doing nothing, while pretending to do something, and he's collecting money for it.

They have a word for a person that does that.
Scammer.


Not at all.

Call enough of them at once and you can crash the call center. There are a bunch of guys out there doing that, and they've posted their codes for anyone who wants to do it.

It can also help make the call centers paranoid, since they only get paid based on what they collect.
 
2018-02-08 05:18:19 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: My father-in-law got sucked in by the 'support scammers'. They are a plague on the world. I don't want my parents on PCs anymore. Stick to iPads. But my mom won't listen, because she wants to be able to print.


Get her an Android tablet then.
 
2018-02-08 05:18:24 PM  
WTF is "Twitch"? Is this some other new social media crap? Don't we have enough social media? I'm really running out of onions to clip to my belt here, and there hasn't been a cloud to yell at in weeks.
 
2018-02-08 05:22:42 PM  

doglover: johnny_vegas: doglover: mdarius: How would you hurt the scammers? Is it possible to trace them?

it might be, if you are clever.

dammit!

/wait, what?

I don't know how to backtrace stuff physically or with hackerman skillz, but I do know people have been farking with nigerian scammers for years now.

If you play your cards right and do a long game, you can probably get some kind of contact with them that gets you their rough physical location after a year or two. At least a mailing address.


I'll save you a lot of hassle.  Just scout out the internet cafes nearest Makoko and the University of Lagos. Or better yet, just open an internet cafe there. Stupid scammers end up spending most of their money on web hosting and internet cafe time instead of trying to get out of a shanty town slum set up in an actual open sewer.
 
2018-02-08 05:23:32 PM  
"His channel recently passed the 1,000-subscriber mark, which means over a thousand people pay at least $5 a month to support his streams."

$5 a month!  Sounds like a scam. Who would pay such a fee?
 
2018-02-08 05:23:48 PM  

ds615: So he's doing nothing, while pretending to do something, and he's collecting money for it.
They have a word for a person that does that.
Scammer.


Next time, just type "I don't know what I'm talking about" and leave it at that. Quicker, easier than what you sharted out.
 
2018-02-08 05:24:31 PM  

Busta Clown Shoes: Ow! That was my feelings!: What a colossal waste of time. Sure, it's his time and if it makes him feel better, great. But he's not hurting the scammers much, if at all.

Yeah, such a waste of time when he's making decent enough money by doing it.  AND having fun to boot.


Heh. Yeah, it might have helped had I read the whole article.
 
2018-02-08 05:25:37 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: What a colossal waste of time. Sure, it's his time and if it makes him feel better, great. But he's not hurting the scammers much, if at all.


Time is money. He costs them whatever they could have made scamming an actual victim.
 
2018-02-08 05:28:14 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: ds615: So he's doing nothing, while pretending to do something, and he's collecting money for it.
They have a word for a person that does that.
Scammer.

Next time, just type "I don't know what I'm talking about" and leave it at that. Quicker, easier than what you sharted out.


Well, he got some attention, so I'm sure he's happy.
 
2018-02-08 05:30:31 PM  
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