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(Seattle Times)   The People's Republic of Seattle comes up with a novel way to keep the unwanted and unwashed out of certain areas   ( seattletimes.com) divider line
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2018-02-08 09:06:32 AM  
Threaten to give them Seahawks gane tickets?
 
2018-02-08 09:48:11 AM  
Spikes, heh.
 
2018-02-08 09:57:45 AM  
Next up: "Where did all these homeless people in the park come from?"
 
2018-02-08 10:28:34 AM  
Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.
 
2018-02-08 10:30:31 AM  
Force them to turn off their ad-blocker?
 
2018-02-08 10:33:43 AM  
It's not novel.  "People's Republic of" San Francisco has done that for years, maybe even decades.  "People's Republic of" Berkeley has had them for years as well.  I imagine plenty of other places that are less tolerant of homelessness have them.
 
2018-02-08 10:36:08 AM  
There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.
 
2018-02-08 10:38:20 AM  
Doesn't look like anything a liberal application of some tin snips wouldn't fix....
 
2018-02-08 10:38:30 AM  
If you're not going to give a shiat about homeless people, just kill them. Don't give people this crap about how you care about their welfare, as long as they don't live there. Or there. Not there either. And certainly, under no conditions, should they live there.
 
2018-02-08 10:38:55 AM  

spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.


[citation needed]
 
2018-02-08 10:38:59 AM  

dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.


Thank you. Jesus, the lack of thinking and compassion is staggering. Find the root of the problem and give people a boost in overcoming it.
 
2018-02-08 10:39:37 AM  

dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.


I'm pretty sure that the idea is that certain people would rather the homeless go be homeless somewhere else....
 
2018-02-08 10:40:11 AM  
Trolls under bridges are still OK!
 
2018-02-08 10:40:51 AM  
I'm fine with them putting up fences to keep out trespassers.  If they feel they need to do that they should, so long as they also actually do something to provide affordable housing to the homeless.
 
2018-02-08 10:41:20 AM  

phenn: dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.

Thank you. Jesus, the lack of thinking and compassion is staggering. Find the root of the problem and give people a boost in overcoming it.


While I don't precisely disagree... What do you propose?
 
2018-02-08 10:41:41 AM  

damonm: spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.

[citation needed]


There are more Citations in the U.S. than homeless people.
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2018-02-08 10:41:47 AM  

spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.


I'm all for taking the most cost-effective option to address homelessness, even if it's free homes.  However, rarely is homelessness the only issue that needs to be addressed.  If we don't get mental health and addiction under control, the person is just going to end up homeless again, or trashing their house.  I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying we shouldn't do only that.  Personally, I don't care if my neighbor was just given their house to address homelessness.  Ain't no business of mine.  I do care if they trash the thing and decrease my property value.
 
2018-02-08 10:41:48 AM  

dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.


Right, but it deals with the problem of yuppies complaining about them.
 
2018-02-08 10:42:41 AM  
"Wooden structures, open flames, and propane tanks all pose a clear danger to public safety and has the potential to destroy this critical transportation corridor that 60,000 vehicles rely on each day."

"In the past 70 years, how often has that happened?"

*crickets*
 
2018-02-08 10:43:20 AM  

phenn: dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.

Thank you. Jesus, the lack of thinking and compassion is staggering. Find the root of the problem and give people a boost in overcoming it.


We might accidentally give someone something they don't deserve.
That's money that could be given to a shareholder who did nothing while the company he has stocks in performed well.
 
2018-02-08 10:43:30 AM  

randomjsa: While I don't precisely disagree... What do you propose?


For any homeless that are interested, here's a list of run down but serviceable closed US Military bases with plenty of barracks and facilities. You can come and live here on Uncle Sam's dime with the condition that you clean up and maintain the property.
 
2018-02-08 10:43:50 AM  
FTFA That money, O'Brien reasoned, could have housed those five households in apartments for a year.

Where?  Not in Seattle.  No where does someone who is getting fake outraged over this suggest an actual solution.

/money isn't the problem
 
2018-02-08 10:45:07 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Wooden structures, open flames, and propane tanks all pose a clear danger to public safety and has the potential to destroy this critical transportation corridor that 60,000 vehicles rely on each day."

"In the past 70 years, how often has that happened?"

*crickets*


Happened in Atlanta.
 
2018-02-08 10:45:27 AM  
"it also has increasingly used fences and other infrastructure to close off some public spaces."

Gee, I didn't know that I could take my family to picnic under a bridge.
 
2018-02-08 10:46:02 AM  
On a different note, it saddens me the outright disregard and lack of farks given about the homeless and how poorly they're treated.  It boggles my mind how many folks who are all about "well we have to give aid to $place" and "society should do more to take care of their own" types are crickets when it comes to the homeless population, to the point of saying nothing when crap like this happens.
 
2018-02-08 10:47:14 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Wooden structures, open flames, and propane tanks all pose a clear danger to public safety and has the potential to destroy this critical transportation corridor that 60,000 vehicles rely on each day."

"In the past 70 years, how often has that happened?"

*crickets*


I85 in Atlanta, described as crack users starting it.  But were they homeless or trespassers?
 
2018-02-08 10:47:20 AM  

phenn: dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.

Thank you. Jesus, the lack of thinking and compassion is staggering. Find the root of the problem and give people a boost in overcoming it.


The root of the problem: you don't love Jesus enough so that's why you're poor and homeless

Ask any republican. This will be their answer.
 
2018-02-08 10:47:32 AM  
The homeless are treated like shiat here in Albuquerque, too. Sad.
 
2018-02-08 10:48:20 AM  

Kit Fister: randomjsa: While I don't precisely disagree... What do you propose?

For any homeless that are interested, here's a list of run down but serviceable closed US Military bases with plenty of barracks and facilities. You can come and live here on Uncle Sam's dime with the condition that you clean up and maintain the property.


Why? Seems to me there are a lot of folks here who would happily open their homes in order to help out.
 
2018-02-08 10:48:24 AM  

winedrinkingman: I'm fine with them putting up fences to keep out trespassers.  If they feel they need to do that they should, so long as they also actually do something to provide affordable housing to the homeless.


The problem is that the provided "housing" has stipulations needed to maintain order that many of the homeless cannot abide, such as curfews, mandatory "lights out", prohibitions against intoxicating substances and no "sleeping together". It's a bit of a "catch 22" situation.
 
2018-02-08 10:48:53 AM  
I was in San Francisco a year ago and was alarmed by the amount of homeless.  It appeared that many of them really did suffer from mental illness. Whether mental illness or addiction,  it is unconscionable that a liberal city like that isn't doing more.
 
2018-02-08 10:49:17 AM  

randomjsa: phenn: dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.

Thank you. Jesus, the lack of thinking and compassion is staggering. Find the root of the problem and give people a boost in overcoming it.

While I don't precisely disagree... What do you propose?


Okay. I used to volunteer at the homeless mission of St. Vincent de Paul. I saw a lot of folks with serious drug issues brought on from earlier traumas in their lives. So, perhaps giving them a hand to detox properly and work on the emotional issues would be a good start. There were also women (some with small children) running from abusive relationships. Maybe circuit courts should be taking domestic violence a little more seriously?

I'm not sure there is a one-size-fits-all kind of answer as homelessness seems to stem out of a number of different problems. I do know that this action in Seattle does nothing to address the core(s) of the issue.

They started some similar crap in Florida years back and it absolutely sickened me. It's putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.
 
2018-02-08 10:49:22 AM  

gingerjet: FTFA That money, O'Brien reasoned, could have housed those five households in apartments for a year.

Where?  Not in Seattle.  No where does someone who is getting fake outraged over this suggest an actual solution.

/money isn't the problem


What he means is: "Go be homeless somewhere else."

I would have thought Seattle, being one of the most progressive cities in the US, would have a better view on those in need.
 
2018-02-08 10:49:33 AM  
Fences are 'novel?'
 
2018-02-08 10:49:56 AM  

Kit Fister: randomjsa: While I don't precisely disagree... What do you propose?

For any homeless that are interested, here's a list of run down but serviceable closed US Military bases with plenty of barracks and facilities. You can come and live here on Uncle Sam's dime with the condition that you clean up and maintain the property.


No services nearby, no care.
 
2018-02-08 10:50:13 AM  

Blake Superior: Why? Seems to me there are a lot of folks here who would happily open their homes in order to help out.


When it comes to the homeless, there are apparently a *lot* of Republicans.
 
2018-02-08 10:50:19 AM  

damonm: spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.

[citation needed]


~16 million housing units open

~.5 million homeless on an average day in the US (Total experiencing homelessness long-term over a given year is like a couple million depending on whose statistics you use.)
 
2018-02-08 10:50:20 AM  
Many, many people in Seattle told me that fences don't work.
 
2018-02-08 10:50:27 AM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: The homeless are treated like shiat here in Albuquerque, too. Sad.


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2018-02-08 10:51:41 AM  

BigNumber12: No services nearby, no care.


What?
 
2018-02-08 10:51:43 AM  

spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.


The benevolent government should seize those houses from those who own them and give to those who need them, because they are so benevolent.
 
hej
2018-02-08 10:51:46 AM  
Go be homeless somewhere else.
 
2018-02-08 10:52:36 AM  

GORDON: Many, many people in Seattle told me that fences don't work.


Maybe we should build a wall.
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2018-02-08 10:52:53 AM  

iheartscotch: dr_blasto: Building all the hostile architecture you can doesn't actually change the fact that there are homeless people out there.

I'm pretty sure that the idea is that certain people would rather the homeless go be homeless somewhere else....


If their plans don't come with the funding for death squads, it'll never work .
 
2018-02-08 10:53:06 AM  

BigNumber12: Fences are 'novel?'


It can be.
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2018-02-08 10:53:32 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Wooden structures, open flames, and propane tanks all pose a clear danger to public safety and has the potential to destroy this critical transportation corridor that 60,000 vehicles rely on each day."

"In the past 70 years, how often has that happened?"

*crickets*


Didn't it just happen in Atlanta?
 
2018-02-08 10:55:05 AM  

Tomahawk513: spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.

I'm all for taking the most cost-effective option to address homelessness, even if it's free homes.  However, rarely is homelessness the only issue that needs to be addressed.  If we don't get mental health and addiction under control, the person is just going to end up homeless again, or trashing their house.  I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying we shouldn't do only that.  Personally, I don't care if my neighbor was just given their house to address homelessness.  Ain't no business of mine.  I do care if they trash the thing and decrease my property value.


You had me up until that last bit. Do you consider your home a home or an "investment"?
 
2018-02-08 10:55:21 AM  

Buttknuckle: I was in San Francisco a year ago and was alarmed by the amount of homeless.  It appeared that many of them really did suffer from mental illness. Whether mental illness or addiction,  it is unconscionable that a liberal city like that isn't doing more.


When the public once again becomes comfortable with removing an individual's freedom, and administering medication against the person's will, in order to effectively treat their mental illness, then we'll see change.

Until then, the mentally ill homeless --- the vast majority of 'visible' ones --- will continue not to seek (or to refuse) those restrictions on their freedom, and will continue to live exactly like they do now.

The City spent $275 million on homeless services last year. The problem isn't that they aren't spending enough, it's that the help has structure and rules, and that doesn't work for a substantial swath of the long-term homeless.
 
2018-02-08 10:55:52 AM  

GORDON: spiritplumber: There are more empty homes in the US than homeless people.

The benevolent government should seize those houses from those who own them and give to those who need them, because they are so benevolent.


Naw, the homeless should seize it for themselves, maybe with gov't assistance if it can be acquired.
 
2018-02-08 10:56:49 AM  

phenn: I'm not sure there is a one-size-fits-all kind of answer as homelessness seems to stem out of a number of different problems.


Exactly.
There are a number of people for whom a stable living arrangement, that wasn't going to be yanked away from them at the end of the month by an angry landlord demanding rent they can't afford, is all they need to start becoming a productive member of society as opposed to a vagrant.
Then there's the guy or gal whose abusive, meth-addicted parents got them addicted to meth in their teens, who'll use any unoccupied space to do meth.
 
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