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2018-02-08 08:55:12 AM  
My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.
 
2018-02-08 09:07:35 AM  
Yeah, because 3.2 beer works out so well, right farkheads?
 
2018-02-08 09:10:12 AM  

Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.


Recreational users, yes.  Medical users are going to want the right strain.  Maybe more indica or sative dominant, or whatever works best for them.  I think it's more important to produce a consistent and well labeled product than any arbitrary limits on potency.
 
2018-02-08 09:33:49 AM  

nekom: Recreational users, yes. Medical users are going to want the right strain. Maybe more indica or sative dominant, or whatever works best for them. I think it's more important to produce a consistent and well labeled product than any arbitrary limits on potency.


And I'm totally fine with that. I just don't like the idea of government meddling with something for (basically) no reason.

As a side note, it is absolutely astounding to me that such widely different effects are possible through slightly different strains of the same plant. That's sort of neat.
 
2018-02-08 09:37:59 AM  
Just like how they limited the proof on alcohol...

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2018-02-08 09:45:57 AM  
Well, I definitely don't want to become a marijuana addict.  That single evening when you don't sleep quite as well can be pretty annoying...
 
2018-02-08 10:10:23 AM  
I loves my oils. 93%? Yes please.
 
2018-02-08 10:15:19 AM  
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2018-02-08 10:15:53 AM  
Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"
 
2018-02-08 10:19:24 AM  
Yeah, this is a new tactic the antis are using. They tried to get a ballot initiative going in CO last election. It got zero traction.
 
2018-02-08 10:21:39 AM  
"Keith Humphreys is a Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University and is an affiliated faculty member at Stanford Law School and the Stanford Neurosciences Institute."

Yet another example of 'how can someone this smart be so damn dumb?'
 
2018-02-08 10:22:25 AM  
Non-thc marijuana is very popular in Switzerland. Cannabidiol is the active ingredient for the health benefits. It makes you relaxed but not high.

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/high-c​b​d-low-thc-strain
 
2018-02-08 10:22:47 AM  

Jake Havechek: Yeah, because 3.2 beer works out so well, right farkheads?


Just thing of all that good, fresh water wasted on flushing the toilets of light-beer drinkers.
 
2018-02-08 10:23:16 AM  

comrade: Non-thc marijuana is very popular in Switzerland. Cannabidiol is the active ingredient for the health benefits. It makes you relaxed but not high.

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/high-cb​d-low-thc-strain


Yeah I was skeptical as hell of CBD but I picked up some of the 50 state legal isolate just for the hell of it and it's pretty nice.
 
2018-02-08 10:23:32 AM  
Ugh this is a self-solving "problem".

When people get too farked up on weed they lose the coordination necessary to keep smoking. They certainly won't be operating any motorized vehicles.
 
2018-02-08 10:24:10 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"


Limiting clip size to the originally manufactured limit doesn't impact a gun's use or its effectiveness.  Trying to arbitrarily set a potency cap on marijuana does.
 
2018-02-08 10:24:21 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"


I'm really not seeing a comparison.

The former allows me to get high using less product. The latter allows me to shoot 30-100 times at anything I point my gun at.
 
2018-02-08 10:25:13 AM  

Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.


Bullshiat! Have you met most stoners? The tendency is to get as high as possible, that's the ideal.
I'm not sure limiting the plant makes any sense, but I do wonder about shatter and dab and whatever. How farking high are you trying to get? If a few hits from 20% cannabis doesn't do it, maybe you should let the pipe cool sometimes, or just move on to heroin.
 
2018-02-08 10:26:09 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"


marijuana is not specifically designed to kill but thanks for playing
 
2018-02-08 10:26:40 AM  

Percise1: Bullshiat! Have you met most stoners? The tendency is to get as high as possible, that's the ideal.


For sixteen year olds and morons maybe.
 
2018-02-08 10:27:19 AM  
I was gonna post in this thread....but I got high.
 
2018-02-08 10:27:58 AM  
Waht?
 
2018-02-08 10:29:25 AM  

Percise1: Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.


Bullshiat! Have you met most stoners? The tendency is to get as high as possible, that's the ideal.


And people claim there is no such thing as marijuana addiction. Protip: if you are regularly using a substance to get as high as possible from it, you're probably addicted.

If states want to be free to decide whether or not to make marihuana illegal, they should also be free to regulate potency levels and how much an individual can by at a time. You potheads wanted legalisation and regulation, well here's what that looks like.
 
2018-02-08 10:29:55 AM  
Cannabevits will be in here soon to tell us how evil cannabis is regardless of the potency.
 
2018-02-08 10:30:35 AM  
I support periodic testing and labeling. Regulating a maximum needs a really good reason and there isn't one if the product is labeled.

Regulating a maximum means it needs to be tested. Why hide the results from consumers? Label it. Problem solved except for Beckies.
 
2018-02-08 10:30:42 AM  
The potency testing here in Washington is virtually useless. They only have to test 1 small sample per 5 or 10 lbs of flower. The gram you get probably isn't even from the same plant as the sample, and the potency from plant to plant (even on the same plant) can vary wildly. The processed cannabis products are probably more accurate.

There is more to it than THC % anyway. I've had stuff rated 14% that was like getting a rub down from a million angels and I've had stuff over 30% that was unpleasant, chemically, and the equivalent of unfiltered moonshine out of a rusty gas can.

It's exactly like the IPA race from a few years ago when breweries were churning out foul tasting beer at 9 or 10%.

But since so many people just buy whatever has the highest %, you can sometimes get some really good deals on the other stuff.
 
2018-02-08 10:31:03 AM  
A new study suggests this could create public health problems down the road as more users become addicted

So ... these higher strains might result in as little as one person becoming addicted?
 
2018-02-08 10:32:01 AM  
Whatever, I'll just make marijuana in my shop with my CNC machine.
 
2018-02-08 10:32:33 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"

marijuana is not specifically designed to kill but thanks for playing


Obviously someone had some wake and bake this morning.
 
2018-02-08 10:33:17 AM  

Shaggy_C: Percise1: Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.


Bullshiat! Have you met most stoners? The tendency is to get as high as possible, that's the ideal.

And people claim there is no such thing as marijuana addiction. Protip: if you are regularly using a substance to get as high as possible from it, you're probably addicted.

If states want to be free to decide whether or not to make marihuana illegal, they should also be free to regulate potency levels and how much an individual can by at a time. You potheads wanted legalisation and regulation, well here's what that looks like.


Ohh look, making up arguments that you can win in your head.

Proponents state that there is no PHYSICAL addiction. There are no withdrawal symptoms or physical dependency on the substance. You can have a mental dependency, but if someone locked you in a room for a week without it, you'd just be mildly annoyed that you don't have.

Going cold-turkey on a lot of other substances can literally kill you.
 
2018-02-08 10:33:48 AM  

Jake Havechek: Yeah, because 3.2 beer works out so well, right farkheads?


I normally drink 6 beers myself.
 
2018-02-08 10:34:02 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"


I remember when all those kids at Bowling Green Elementary were mary janed down by some asshole going class to class and shooting them with the reefer.  It was a massacre I tell you.

And I'm still not sure how we as a country didn't respond them by putting tighter controls on pot.
 
2018-02-08 10:34:03 AM  
Stupidity dies in the light.
 
2018-02-08 10:35:16 AM  

Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.


I think it's a great idea.  The first marijuana company that comes out with the equivalent of Bud Light for marijuana is going to make a killing.

Not all drinkers want to do shots until they're obliterated.
Not all smokers want to be stoned out of their minds on one hit.
 
2018-02-08 10:35:39 AM  

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer: Cannabevits will be in here soon to tell us how evil cannabis is regardless of the potency.


He's already here
 
2018-02-08 10:36:11 AM  

nekom: Recreational users, yes.  Medical users are going to want the right strain.


Introducing "Prescription Strength Bullrider"....
 
2018-02-08 10:36:52 AM  
Everyone still scared to death of a plant in 2018. Home of the brave my ass.
 
2018-02-08 10:37:47 AM  

scottydoesntknow: CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"

I'm really not seeing a comparison.

The former allows me to get high using less product. The latter allows me to shoot 30-100 times at anything I point my gun at.


Might want to ask subby why he made the same comparison...
 
2018-02-08 10:38:12 AM  

Explodo: Destructor: My gawd this is dumb on so many levels and in so many dimensions. There can't be one reasonable person that thinks this is a good idea.

People are going to want to obtain an ideal buzz. They'll stop when they get it. Ideally, you want consumers to use less of the substance to obtain it (less cost, less material inhaled). But they want you to smoke more... I can't believe that seems like a good idea to anyone.

I think it's a great idea.  The first marijuana company that comes out with the equivalent of Bud Light for marijuana is going to make a killing.

Not all drinkers want to do shots until they're obliterated.
Not all smokers want to be stoned out of their minds on one hit.


Somebody already linked an article about low THC strains.
 
2018-02-08 10:39:09 AM  

actualhuman: comrade: Non-thc marijuana is very popular in Switzerland. Cannabidiol is the active ingredient for the health benefits. It makes you relaxed but not high.

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/high-cb​d-low-thc-strain

Yeah I was skeptical as hell of CBD but I picked up some of the 50 state legal isolate just for the hell of it and it's pretty nice.


A couple of CBD shops opened recently in my area. I know nothing about it, but I recognize the acronym from my younger days. I knew it couldn't be the real deal because I live in one of the most backwards states. Does it really calm you down? Because I could use some of that. Will you pop positive on a screening? And how is it consumed?
 
2018-02-08 10:39:13 AM  
 Back in the day we smoked ditch weed both ways to school.

     I don't think it's possible to achieve must past 30% THC content. I don't accept anything under 20% anymore, I don't much care for the intricacies of the flavour or taste: just gimmie my buzz.
     I have tried the shatters and vapes out there but always come back to my roots. I'm looking at you, Cypress Hill.
 
2018-02-08 10:39:14 AM  
It seems like a better solution would be to do what they do with alcohol and require that products be labeled with the specific THC percentage.  It might be a little more difficult to accurately measure with marijuana as an agricultural product, but it's not an insurmountable problem.  You can even do what's done with liquor and tax things with a higher percentage differently.  That way you avoid the issues with folks getting too high by accident while still allowing someone to do it on purpose if that's what they're looking for.
 
2018-02-08 10:40:11 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Proponents state that there is no PHYSICAL addiction. There are no withdrawal symptoms or physical dependency on the substance. You can have a mental dependency, but if someone locked you in a room for a week without it, you'd just be mildly annoyed that you don't have.


It's a psychological addiction - no different than people who become 'addicted' to fast food, the lottery, or furry sex. If you are choosing your friends, the way you live, and your behaviour based upon the usage of a certain substance, you are an addict. That said, it's a lot harder to become a marihuana addict than to become addicted drugs with actual physical dependency, as your rightfully point out, but that doesn't make the psychological hold less difficult to overcome. For example, alcoholics who quit drinking never become "ex-alcoholics"; long after the physical addiction has subsided, the mental addiction remains.
 
2018-02-08 10:41:32 AM  
They want to make it as weak as cigarettes, so you buy them like cigarettes, with a bit of nicotine added.  To make them addictive like cigarettes.  Because that makes them billions of dollars.  This is happening.

Good times are over folks.
 
2018-02-08 10:42:41 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Just like how they limited the proof on alcohol...

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Fun fact: a dozen or so states prohibit the sale of 190 proof spirits.
 
2018-02-08 10:44:17 AM  

Percise1: Bullshiat! Have you met most stoners?


No. I would like to. I'm sure many are fine (possibly high) people.

Percise1: The tendency is to get as high as possible, that's the ideal.
I'm not sure limiting the plant makes any sense, but I do wonder about shatter and dab and whatever. How farking high are you trying to get? If a few hits from 20% cannabis doesn't do it, maybe you should let the pipe cool sometimes, or just move on to heroin.


IMHO, it's for each person to decide on their own. Ideally, they would go about this in an informed way. Or not. Their choice.

Shaggy_C: And people claim there is no such thing as marijuana addiction. Protip: if you are regularly using a substance to get as high as possible from it, you're probably addicted.


I got as high as possible from Cannabis once. Once. I refer to it as my Maureen Dowd experience. Unlike her, I had done my homework and had some inkling of what I was in for.

Pretty much believe the press on this one. It was several hours of shear paranoid terror... Where making the slightest move took supreme effort. Basically, not a fun outcome that I do not choose to repeat. I don't see how anyone could enjoy that.

So anyway: I'll settle for an occasional buzz when I happen to be within a jurisdiction where it's legal... (a few times a year at this point).

Explodo: I think it's a great idea. The first marijuana company that comes out with the equivalent of Bud Light for marijuana is going to make a killing.


Yeah, but they can do that on their own. We don't need government setting arbitrary limits on this.
 
2018-02-08 10:44:44 AM  

Explodo: I think it's a great idea.  The first marijuana company that comes out with the equivalent of Bud Light for marijuana is going to make a killing.

Not all drinkers want to do shots until they're obliterated.
Not all smokers want to be stoned out of their minds on one hit.


In Spain we used to smoke 'puros', which were basically hashish mixed into a cigarillo. The idea wasn't to get giggly stoned, it was much more like a calming cigarette at the end of the day. Light buzz is right. The problem is that you don't want to have the tobacco side of things - so what are you going to have people smoke along with their marihuana? A low THC content would be a great step in the right direction, I think.
 
2018-02-08 10:45:21 AM  

Magnanimous_J: The potency testing here in Washington is virtually useless. They only have to test 1 small sample per 5 or 10 lbs of flower. The gram you get probably isn't even from the same plant as the sample, and the potency from plant to plant (even on the same plant) can vary wildly. The processed cannabis products are probably more accurate.


The problem is MJ is an agricultural product, there's virtually no way to avoid some variation among plants.  I know a lot of pepper growers have gotten pretty good at measuring average levels of scoville units in their product.  I wonder if the lessons learned there are transferable.
 
2018-02-08 10:49:19 AM  

comrade: Non-thc marijuana is very popular in Switzerland. Cannabidiol is the active ingredient for the health benefits. It makes you relaxed but not high.

https://herb.co/marijuana/news/high-cb​d-low-thc-strain


They're finally selling 90% CBD/10% THC in stores now. Looking forward to it, because the stuff they normally sell SUCKS.
 
2018-02-08 10:49:44 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Welcome, stoners, to gun-owner country.

"You don't need 20% potency and a 30 magazine round clip!"


I know right? Who the hell can hunt deer with less than 30 rounds? What do they expect us to do, learn how to shoot?
 
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