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(Talking Points Memo)   Trump's lawyers were overheard saying, "You can do that??"   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2018-02-07 11:58:27 PM  
His lawyer's email is or was

@dcwhitecollar?

Well that's some funny sh*t.
 
2018-02-08 03:29:21 AM  
Irreconcilable Differences

Always sad when a marriage falls apart.
 
2018-02-08 04:37:59 AM  
Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.
 
2018-02-08 04:54:08 AM  
They made like a fetus and aborted.
 
2018-02-08 04:56:29 AM  
Wonder if he's making a plea or he just messed up and told his other lawyers he did what they say he did and they had to bug out?
 
2018-02-08 05:11:05 AM  
I love law firm names...

"Wu, Grohovsky, and Whipple".

"Doar, Rieck, Kaley, and Mack"
 
2018-02-08 05:20:57 AM  
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2018-02-08 05:27:54 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Wonder if he's making a plea or he just messed up and told his other lawyers he did what they say he did and they had to bug out?


It may also be that Gates is insisting that they commit illegal acts to help him. But these are Trumpers, so 'por que no los dos?' is always a very real possibility. But rumor earlier was apparently he's hiring a high power plea deal guy. So there's a chance it's the rare 'por quoi pas tout les troix?'

Now taking bets: How many documents total, and how many marked highly incriminating, land on Gates during discovery if we get there? The Manafort numbers, for reference, were 400000 and 2000...
 
2018-02-08 05:28:39 AM  
There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.
 
2018-02-08 05:36:33 AM  

fusillade762: Irreconcilable Differences

Always sad when a marriage falls apart.


IANAL but my newlywed wife is so I am not getting a kick...
 
2018-02-08 05:45:50 AM  

Leandros A: fusillade762: Irreconcilable Differences

Always sad when a marriage falls apart.

IANAL but my newlywed wife is so I am not getting a kick...


So you didn't pull the oops wrong hole move.
 
2018-02-08 05:47:22 AM  

pueblonative: Leandros A: fusillade762: Irreconcilable Differences

Always sad when a marriage falls apart.

IANAL but my newlywed wife is so I am not getting a kick...

So you didn't pull the oops wrong hole move.


Damn. I was going to angle for a pegging joke but couldn't make it fit.

Does that count?

Pueblo? Why are either of us awake?
 
2018-02-08 05:48:54 AM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.


Wow, Trump really is like Damian to these guys. "It's for you Donald! All four you!"

Or, the threat of Russians bumping them off is real.
 
2018-02-08 05:53:52 AM  

vernonFL: Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.


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2018-02-08 05:55:20 AM  
"irreconcilable differences" == "our client lied to us about something serious and there is no way we can represent him in court with our jobs, reputations and community standing on the line"
 
2018-02-08 06:00:54 AM  

holdmybones: pueblonative: Leandros A: fusillade762: Irreconcilable Differences

Always sad when a marriage falls apart.

IANAL but my newlywed wife is so I am not getting a kick...

So you didn't pull the oops wrong hole move.

Damn. I was going to angle for a pegging joke but couldn't make it fit.

Does that count?

Pueblo? Why are either of us awake?


I guess I gave you an opening, but the general thrust of your comments is making me sweat . Maybe we should go back to talking about the ways this guy violated the penal code, so his lawyers are pulling out.
 
2018-02-08 06:03:18 AM  

vernonFL: Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.


I've always thought of Tom Green as an undiagnosed mental patient who was given money and a camera, and one off the rack suit.

He looks like he is screaming in his head when he looks at people.
 
2018-02-08 06:06:59 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Wow, Trump really is like Damian to these guys. "It's for you Donald! All four you!"


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2018-02-08 06:27:38 AM  
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2018-02-08 06:42:12 AM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.


What are the rules if he then goes ahead and perjures himself? Can these attorneys tell on him or is that privileged?
 
2018-02-08 06:42:36 AM  

ModernLuddite: vernonFL: Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.

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I tend to agree but I can't stop laughing whenever I see:

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2018-02-08 06:52:54 AM  

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.


That makes sense. Most lawyer will defend a guilty man vigorously because it's part of having a fair trial. That doesn't necessarily mean they will lie for the defendant.
 
2018-02-08 06:57:20 AM  
Noisy withdrawal = my client is guilty as fark and will lie his ass off and I want no part of this shiat.
 
2018-02-08 06:58:45 AM  

shpritz: SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.

What are the rules if he then goes ahead and perjures himself? Can these attorneys tell on him or is that privileged?


IANAL (though I have farked a few), but I was wondering why Gates would be opposing the motion. Maybe this is why?
 
2018-02-08 07:08:26 AM  
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2018-02-08 07:15:49 AM  

SpectroBoy: SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.

That makes sense. Most lawyer will defend a guilty man vigorously because it's part of having a fair trial. That doesn't necessarily mean they will lie for the defendant.


It mostly makes sense, but I thought the one specializing in plea deals was staying on board (the only one to do so). Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying? I'd think that if he intended to make a plea deal they'd all stay, or if he intended to perjure his way to a Not Guilty then they'd all go.

Does he intend to make a plea deal but still perjure himself somehow? Maybe try to take the fall for Trump or something?
 
2018-02-08 07:17:07 AM  

Millennium: Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying?


Um, make that "when all the rest were going". Sorry about that.
 
2018-02-08 07:31:34 AM  

Millennium: Millennium: Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying?

Um, make that "when all the rest were going". Sorry about that.


One of the initial thoughts besides Gates intending to commit perjury was he was simply running out of money. If he's making a plea deal, he may be able to only afford the one plea deal lawyer.

He had a sad Skype call with a fundraiser at an Arlington VA Holiday Inn for himself, because he couldn't leave his house. Not only did he make the judge mad because he seemed to be violating the gag order, but journalists outnumbered the guests. As far as I know, he hasn't done any more fundraising.
 
2018-02-08 07:51:31 AM  

danielem1: Millennium: Millennium: Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying?

Um, make that "when all the rest were going". Sorry about that.

One of the initial thoughts besides Gates intending to commit perjury was he was simply running out of money. If he's making a plea deal, he may be able to only afford the one plea deal lawyer.

He had a sad Skype call with a fundraiser at an Arlington VA Holiday Inn for himself, because he couldn't leave his house. Not only did he make the judge mad because he seemed to be violating the gag order, but journalists outnumbered the guests. As far as I know, he hasn't done any more fundraising.


It really breaks my heart to know that these guys are destitute.  Just crushing.  The poor dears.
 
2018-02-08 08:08:31 AM  
Wasn't there one of these top prized lawyers that was defending several of the Russia investigation targets and there was a question about the ethics of it if one of them tried to cut a deal that would fark over other clients? I seem to recall a thread. It wasn't an issue when he started to represent them so it's been allowed. Was Gates one of the clients?
 
2018-02-08 08:10:50 AM  

Millennium: SpectroBoy: SomeFarkinFarmgirl: There's a rumor going around that Gates fully intends to basically perjure himself and his attorneys apparently have some shred of legal ethics.

That makes sense. Most lawyer will defend a guilty man vigorously because it's part of having a fair trial. That doesn't necessarily mean they will lie for the defendant.

It mostly makes sense, but I thought the one specializing in plea deals was staying on board (the only one to do so). Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying? I'd think that if he intended to make a plea deal they'd all stay, or if he intended to perjure his way to a Not Guilty then they'd all go.

Does he intend to make a plea deal but still perjure himself somehow? Maybe try to take the fall for Trump or something?


It's possible the plea deal guy isn't aware of the facts that Gates intends to perjure himself on. TFA seems to suggest that he is coming in later.

The opposed motion to withdraw is pretty funny, regardless. Nothing like having your client try to use you as a human shield for his lying.
 
2018-02-08 08:22:34 AM  

Millennium: It mostly makes sense, but I thought the one specializing in plea deals was staying on board (the only one to do so). Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying? I'd think that if he intended to make a plea deal they'd all stay, or if he intended to perjure his way to a Not Guilty then they'd all go.

Does he intend to make a plea deal but still perjure himself somehow? Maybe try to take the fall for Trump or something?


Maybe he was going to take the fall for someone. Or maybe blame an innocent person. He's part of team Trump so it would be a fool's errand to try to guess all the possible lies he could tell.

Maybe he tried to lie, the lawyers told him they were going to quit, and realizing he was hosed decided to go for a plea deal and kept just that lawyer?  (I can't win without lying, they won't help me lie, so fine, I'll deal)?
 
2018-02-08 08:23:28 AM  

Millennium: It mostly makes sense, but I thought the one specializing in plea deals was staying on board (the only one to do so). Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying? I'd think that if he intended to make a plea deal they'd all stay, or if he intended to perjure his way to a Not Guilty then they'd all go.

Does he intend to make a plea deal but still perjure himself somehow? Maybe try to take the fall for Trump or something?


What I find most interesting / promising is that all of the people charged so far are making deals. The evidence must be pretty damming.
 
2018-02-08 08:37:59 AM  

SpectroBoy: Millennium: It mostly makes sense, but I thought the one specializing in plea deals was staying on board (the only one to do so). Why would the plea-deal lawyer stay when all the rest were staying? I'd think that if he intended to make a plea deal they'd all stay, or if he intended to perjure his way to a Not Guilty then they'd all go.

Does he intend to make a plea deal but still perjure himself somehow? Maybe try to take the fall for Trump or something?

What I find most interesting / promising is that all of the people charged so far are making deals. The evidence must be pretty damming.


No rivers getting through this farking evidence.
 
2018-02-08 08:38:03 AM  
I really want to know what it is about Trump that inspires so much misguided loyalty. Because I don't see it. But there's gotta be something there because people just line up to fall on their swords for him.

Maybe it's the same mentality that causes people to chase bad bets all the way past 0 and into car note and wedding band territory.

I don't know. But it's like if you're lacking whatever piece of he human brain it is that causes you to be able to recognize a sunk cost it's a guarantee you'll go all in on trump. And it just never works out. You're betting the earth won't spin and the sun won't rise and you keep saying "DOUBLE OR NOTHING" every morning.

It's stupid and it's gotta be so humiliating.
 
2018-02-08 08:38:27 AM  
You really have to be quite a colossal asshole to make your own lawyers walk away from you. See Yiannopoulos, Milo for further information.
 
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2018-02-08 08:44:25 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I really want to know what it is about Trump that inspires so much misguided loyalty. Because I don't see it. But there's gotta be something there because people just line up to fall on their swords for him.

Maybe it's the same mentality that causes people to chase bad bets all the way past 0 and into car note and wedding band territory.

I don't know. But it's like if you're lacking whatever piece of he human brain it is that causes you to be able to recognize a sunk cost it's a guarantee you'll go all in on trump. And it just never works out. You're betting the earth won't spin and the sun won't rise and you keep saying "DOUBLE OR NOTHING" every morning.

It's stupid and it's gotta be so humiliating.


You're talking about basically the same group of aholes who saw GWB fark up over and over and still thought he was great. The man lied about WMDs, got thousands of Americans killed, tens of thousands maimed, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, millions displaced but the aholes still supported him
 
2018-02-08 08:47:19 AM  

Gordon Bennett: You really have to be quite a colossal asshole to make your own lawyers walk away from you. See Yiannopoulos, Milo for further information.


Well, we are talking about people who support and work for Trump.
 
2018-02-08 08:50:22 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I really want to know what it is about Trump that inspires so much misguided loyalty. Because I don't see it. But there's gotta be something there because people just line up to fall on their swords for him.

Maybe it's the same mentality that causes people to chase bad bets all the way past 0 and into car note and wedding band territory.

I don't know. But it's like if you're lacking whatever piece of he human brain it is that causes you to be able to recognize a sunk cost it's a guarantee you'll go all in on trump. And it just never works out. You're betting the earth won't spin and the sun won't rise and you keep saying "DOUBLE OR NOTHING" every morning.

It's stupid and it's gotta be so humiliating.


I don't think this one is about Trump, directly.  He likely has a lot of that dirt, but this guy's been with Manafort for forever, and likely helped him do horrible things all over the world long before Trump came along. He may not be capable of flipping because of who he's entangled with, or that no plea deal will not end him in jail for longer than he'll live anyway. He and Manafort, from the sounds of it, are just that corrupt and horrible. So if the end result either way is dying in prison, why not fight? Lie, cheat, steal, witness tamper, forge evidence, whatever it takes.  He may feel it's his only shot at remaining a free man.
 
2018-02-08 08:54:10 AM  
I wonder if Gate's strategy is jury nullification. They have drunk their own kool-aid and are so absolutely sure in their own rightness they can't conceive of a jury disagreeing with them.
 
2018-02-08 08:56:07 AM  

englaja: ModernLuddite: vernonFL: Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.

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I tend to agree but I can't stop laughing whenever I see:

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Quite possibly one of the 5 worst movies ever made.
 
2018-02-08 09:09:27 AM  
The headline is funny because 45's lawyers are literally overheard talking about their defense at restaurants.
 
2018-02-08 09:09:53 AM  
Is it possible the lawyers are bailing because Gates is out of money to pay them or are his lawyers being paid for by "friends"?
 
2018-02-08 09:13:41 AM  
It's almost like Trump wasn't telling the truth when he said "only the best people." If this sort of thing keeps happening, I may lose my confidence in Trump.
 
2018-02-08 09:31:14 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I really want to know what it is about Trump that inspires so much misguided loyalty. Because I don't see it. But there's gotta be something there because people just line up to fall on their swords for him.

Maybe it's the same mentality that causes people to chase bad bets all the way past 0 and into car note and wedding band territory.

I don't know. But it's like if you're lacking whatever piece of he human brain it is that causes you to be able to recognize a sunk cost it's a guarantee you'll go all in on trump. And it just never works out. You're betting the earth won't spin and the sun won't rise and you keep saying "DOUBLE OR NOTHING" every morning.

It's stupid and it's gotta be so humiliating.


It's not loyalty. It's complicity. It's like that one episode every crime procedural has - generally ok or slightly shady guy sees opportunity to make a lot of money, things are good, then out of nowhere they're moving a dead buddy with the boss, and now they're in a position where if the boss goes down, so do they.
 
2018-02-08 09:32:18 AM  
Seems to me that one of the things that will get an attorney to quit a case is the client stating an intention to lie under oath. It would follow that there is a certain measure of self-protection on the part of the individual making this statement.

Knowing this crowd, it would be the most likely scenario. The whole Fat Donny administration is made up of mobsters, grifters and slavering sycophants. If any of them ever actually bit the bullet, so to speak, and revealed their intentions or their methods, you could probably bet the farm that they'd all end up with cement shoes.

Or a fatal case of acute polonium toxicity.
 
2018-02-08 09:33:15 AM  

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That would be funnier if it was a depiction of a game of Hangman, complete with missing letters.
 
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2018-02-08 10:14:59 AM  

vernonFL: Hiring Tom Green as a lawyer is a big mistake.

That guy hadn't done anything since the 1990s, plus he's Canadian. He isn't really funny.


FU, he had his moments!
 
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